₦airaland Forum

TAO12:
Yes it makes sane people realize that gayboy (aka gregyboy) is a mad dog.

Lesbian.....

Lol e pain her...... Lol....


Still searching for husband.....

Valirex she is on the loose again.....


Lol

YungMillionaire:
Funny. Why do you have Igbo moderators?

And he says he is not yoruba....


Ogun kill you

TAO12:
Anyone who thinks you are normal is not normal.

(1) S. Johnson was born in 1846.

But gayboy (aka gregyboy) insists that same Johnson was writting Yoruba histories in the year 1820 --- that is, more than 20 years before his own birth.

Should gayboy (aka gregyboy) still be allowed to freely roam the streets?

(2) Oba Eweka II of Benin Kingdom ruled from 1914 to 1933.

Old Western Region of Nigeria was established in the year 1967.

But gayboy (aka gregyboy) insists that same Oba Eweka time-travelled into the future to become a member of the Nigeria Western Region.

Should gayboy (aka gregyboy) still be allowed to freely roam the streets?

(3) Fun Fact:

Same Oba Eweka II of Benin Kingdom informed an European visitor, H.L. Ward-Price, sometimes in the 1920s that his (i.e. Oba Eweka II's) ancestor and lord lives in Ile-Ife.

This does not change anything or answer the questions.....


Go and learn how to speak in public, you should be in romance section looking for an husband

Guy marriage is not a do or die affair

Send her parking to her fathers house to learn how to be a good wife....

WHILE SHE IS AWAY FLIRT AROUND AND LET IT BE OBVIOUS, WHEN I SAY FLIRT NO GO FALL INLOVE WITH ANOTHER WOMAN OOH

while she is at her father's house let her know you can do without her, and you only come to visit her because of your child

When she finally get back to the house, her brain go don reset.....


If you didnt offend her she has no right to keep sex from you, only on the case you wronged her, and if you force sex on her by this it is considered pure rape,

Rhey mcdell needs to be arrested by the dss, how would he rubbish nigeria image like that with such temerity when bubu is still In power

Congrat enogie OORE OF MOBALAND

Thanks for taking the benin ancient culture and custome to the yorubas in helping in civilizing them......

Oba gha to kpere ise....

YungMillionaire:
I am not even Yoruba but you are big idiot. Even a primary school pupil knows of Oyo Empire. I don't blame the Yorubas for ignoring you. I would also ignore a complete slowpoke instead of going back and forth. Go and read a book and stop disgracing Benin in this forum. Idiot.

You're not yoruba wetin concern you for this thread....

YungMillionaire:
You sound like fvcking Ipobs - attached by force mentality. No be by force to join Bini leave us alone

Wetin una people dey always dey find for benin na i dey ask, una even many pass other edo tribe for benin.....

Make una go sit down......

After we get our edo republic last last una go still flood am,


Make una kukuma join biafra ifeoma people

AreaFada2:
In Benin for example, we have one Oba. Urhobo, Esan, Ijaw, Yoruba, Igbo and others have several monarchs. Division is likely when a people have no history of central govt together. Many dukes in Benin area are older stools than Oba of Lagos, Olu of Warri, Obi of Iseluku, Obi of Onitsha, ovies, orodjes, amayanabos and several ezes/obis. Yet these dukes remain dukes under authority of the Oba. Ogiegor/Duke of Ego near Benin is even older than the current Oba dynasty that began in 1170 AD. So we are used to a central authority since long ago.

This is not just about ego, it's about elusive unity among Africans and practicality.

In the future, it won't be about size but organisation and efficiency of a country. Smaller countries can share consular representation. Benin Kingdom or Afesan Republic (Afemai & Esan country) can share consular representation with Namibia, Lesotho, Zambia, Malta, Cyprus, Jamaica, Laos, eSwatini/Swaziland, The Bahama, The Gambia, Slovenia, The Maldives, Mauritius, etc. To save cost and assist citizens abroad.

An average delta person are self centered, and naturally easily feel oppressed i dont know why
Just check the state politics in delta state it is full of tribalism every tribe wanr to dominate....

We dont need such people in a region they are ungrateful we pulled them out of western region and when they got free they cried we are marginalizing them just see urhobo and okpe in this issue of marginalizing, people for delta state get problem


Just let them go we nor need them


If you check the amount of Delta people in edo especially urhobo they are even more than what they have in delta state, open university in benin is fully occupied by deltans in edo here, today i even entered bus with a delta guy.......

They complain we marginalize them in Midwestern reg, and yet they are still flocking our state for survival

Nwanyiogwashi:
[[s]quote author=gregyboy post=89663976]


Una get wahala......


Urohobo people self suppose join biafra shey dem they bear ifeoma, ochuko... And co


Dem say them nor wan join Midwestern region so dem gats join buafra by fire by force [/s] They should join Bini people

We nor want again, ooh..... Say we go marginalize them, so make them follow biafra waka.......


OR WE FIT GIVE THEM TO ODUDUWA REPUBLIC

TAO12:
What about before 1475? Because tha archaeological evidence I have is earlier oo.

Anyways, the little c.1300 sculpture in the attachments below showing the then Ooni of Ife in full ceremonial regalia was excavated from the palace at Benin Kingdom.

An evidence of a strong imperial connection.

In other words, even in ancient times, the 'Governor' must keep the official portrait of the 'President' in his 'office' --- It never happens vice-versa.

You nor get sense......




Even a child can disprove this you call evidence
Your fellow brothers dont post it as evidence but you desperado in saying rubbish would hurrily post it......


Mumu..... Go learn how to talk in public....

Only then we can have one on one convo

Nwanyiogwashi:
Yes we belong to Biafra but if they add urhobo people to it we are out

Una get wahala......


Urohobo people self suppose join biafra shey dem they bear ifeoma, ochuko... And co


Dem say them nor wan join Midwestern region so dem gats join buafra by fire by force

Am still waiting for evidence

Nwanyiogwashi:
You guys posted a fake news about me for telling you people the truth

Madam, anioma

Ok were una suppose belong biafra abi

valirex:
I have weighed the pro and cons and the pros out weighs the cons. There won't be more seceding if we go with just homogeneous Edos

Just edo will be better

Mystiquefia:
Gregyboy
Valirex
Areafada2
Igbosmoker


Even till today, some parts of urhoboland are Still lagging behind in terms of development like okpeland. And this is why there has been clamours to recognize okpe as a seperate ethnic group from urhobo like the isokos. But what these people fail to understand is that development is a gradual process, okpe itself homes the only domestic airport in urhoboland, just as WRPC is located in uvwie local governmen. With the urbanization of warri and uvwie, the next area of focus tilts toward okpe. infact most future urhobo projects will be situated in okpe kingdom because uvwie has no lands to house such projects again. The next governor of the state when zoned to delta central will be microzoned to okpe for instance to enabel them enjoy the dividend of democracy.
so whenever you see such comments from deltans on nairaland, it may not represent the general opinion of urhobos. Any Responsible urhobo son would not engage in unneccessary banters with edo people

Dem be mofos, edo on its own with the little population are very outspoken politically in nigeria but check the other minority group that even speak more population than edo state in terms of their political participation in national level is zero....

The biggest fear of a delta man is marginalization all of them have that mumu mentality thats why Mary babangida took thesame marginalization mentality to favour asaba as the state capital,the urhobo and the others were barking like dog that had only one puppy after conceving.... But the esan man that was opportuned to do that in edo refuse and still mainted benin as edo capital.......

Today delta is practicing rotary system of power,
Because of the marginalization mentality, that same self centered attitude drove most oil companies away from delta state....

Delta state na mumu state nor be today


Most schools in edo from nursery to tertiary institutions are all occupied by delta indigenes after edo people in edo state the next people in Edo state are delta people especially urhobos but ask them how many edo can they find in delta state the way we find delta people in edo state.....


Na mumu state delta be

Same useless mentality say delta nor dey carry last


We edo we go dey alright as a country on our own

pazienza:
Yeah. Ozanogogo are Edoid speakers, they should be in Edo state and not in Agbor. Ika should give up Ozanogogo in exchange for Igbanke to be returned to Ika. Its the right thing to do. Give and take.

Do they bear edo names or igbo related names

valirex:
A homogeneous Edo nation is really the best option as you say

I tell you leave all this delta people make them dey mumu naso dem be las las dem go carry last


Na mugu them be.... Leave them

Only edo go dey alright

pazienza:
Yeah. Ozanogogo are Edoid speakers, they should be in Edo state and not in Agbor. Ika should give up Ozanogogo in exchange for Igbanke to be returned to Ika. Its the right thing to do. Give and take.

Wow they speak more edo than igbo please we need them in edo state

Do they bear edo names or ika names


The people who made this political map boundaries were high on weed

pazienza:
Igbanke share land boundary with Mbiri in Ika part of Delta.
So yes! They can easily be added to Delta.

In exchange, Delta(Anioma) would have to give up Ozanogogo to Edo state.

Wow i just read about them now they are even more closer to edo by boundary than igbanke

Christistruth00:
Benin paid tribute to Oyo starting with Alaafin Oranmiyan ? This is a well known fact among Oyo Historians.


From Sir Alfred Maloney
British Colonial Governor of Lagos 1890

At what year was benin under oyo rule and at what year did they leave

valirex:
Ok, I get but is it only Igbanke that are in ovia north east and no other Edo tribe?

No, i mean igbanke was included with other benin villages in ovia north east


Ovia north east in benin has many villages
Okada
Oko khuo
Iguobazuwa
Igbanke
And co others


Am just saying igbanke is under ovia north east
I. E political they include them to edo but linguistically they are delta igbos

Olu317:
Though, you are accurate about the migration pattern. And they actually lived in Bini as mercenaries,court workers,in the Oba's palace and environment, before migration to present location due to unfavorable and stiffening of law against Olukumi' people although they stopped along the way before eventual established settlement in Delta region where they live.

Lol, with source, not just source traceable source

RedboneSmith:
Gregyboy. You're not very smart. Also you're not a scholar. That much is evident from this comment of yours.

First of all, the book I've shown you is titled "The History of Dahomy" by Archibald Dalzel and it was written in 1793. Every scholar and academic on the history of the Aja states (Dahomey, Whydah, Allada, etc) and the Western Yoruba (Ketu, etc) and the Oyo knows about this book. I'm not surprised you don't know it and think it's a "dump site for rubbish", since you're neither a scholar nor an academic but a social media troll.

If you're having difficulty with the grammar and the orthography, it is because it was written using the English and orthography prevalent in the 18th century, when 's' was written to look like 'f'.

If you're serious about history, you need to give social media trolling a rest and put in some work in familiarizing yourself with the existing literature of each era, so that ordinary 18th century English will not look Spanish to you.

I also know that this comment is your attempt to deflect from evidence you can't refute. I know. You know. We know.

Lol, nice i bet the yorubas cant defend themselves like this...... They would be pushed to insult..... When they are hooked


Ok they also claimed thier rule extended to Ghana and togo how true is this too

darfay:
I came across this article a while ago, the urhobo people seem to be heavily marginalizing their neighbouring okpe tribe and have sought to assimilate them while forcing their ethnic identity on them


[b]Note of concern “if for instance, a new Niger Delta Republic is founded (or South South region is created from restructuring of Nigeria) and Isoko, Itsekiri and Ukuani are some of the created states or provinces, while Okpe in included in an Urhobo State or province, how will you feel? Remember states are not meant to be equal in population or land size. Will you feel you have made progress or that you have mortgaged the destiny of your children and children’s children? Today, whereas, Isoko, Ukuani, Itsekiri, Ika, Aniocha and other students in Delta State higher institutions access bursaries and scholarships as recognized groups by the Delta State Government and DESOPADEC, the National Association of Okpe Students which was founded before most of the others, has always been denied access to some facilities. They are directed to go and meet the National Association of Urhobo Students.

It is by reason of all these and many other negative consequences of the mishandling of the Okpe identity that prompted the then most senior Okakuro of Okpe, the late Chief P.A. Gbinigie, who was member of House of Representatives (Okpe South Constituency) in the second republic, the Okpagha of Okpe Kingdom, to move a motion for Okpe to withdraw from the political union with Urhobo in the 2000 Okpe National Conference which held in Orerokpe39cb Many notable Okpe leaders were present at the conference which was declared open by the transited Orodje of Okpe, Orhoro 1. Chief D.O. Dafinone, the Owhere of Okpe was he who amended the motion to reflect that the union with Urhobo should be reassessed so that the terms would be clearly spelt out. The above is a demonstration of the fact that at no time in the history of the relationship between Okpe and Urhobo have Okpe people declared that they are Urhobo as a tribe or ethnic nationality. In any case, only the Udogun-Okpe or the Okpe Assembly which comprises the Udogun together with representatives of the Okpe clans or districts, presided over by the Orodje of Okpe or a regent chairman that can take such a decision. It is clear from the National Conference that Okpe has been using the term “OKPE NATION” for ages.

In his keynote address to the 3rd Edition of this convention held in September, 2007 in Maryland, MD., USA, titled “Tradition and Governance in Okpe Kingdom”, Orhue I, Orodje of Okpe had this to say among other assertions; “…the Okpe people are reputed to be the best organized ethnic nationality for administration and governance within its immediate geo-political area, second only to the Bini Kingdom…” The forefathers of the Okpe people have brought up their children as people of a distinct ethnic nationality. They have expressions that describe their immediate tribes or ethnic nationalities. Ijaw people are “Ihwo”; Itsekiris are “Irhobo”; Bini people are “Aka”; while Urhobo people are “Isieho”. When an Urhobo person speaks, the Okpe person describes him as speaking Isieho. This expression also describes the Urhobo person.

It is therefore regrettable that of recent, the propaganda is increasing to force it down the throat of the Okpe man that Okpe is Urhobo for all intents and purposes. Some highly placed personalities in Okpe are dancing along because of position and other personal benefits. But according to Dr. Igho Natufe40 “…the falsity of subsuming Okpe under Urhobo can break neither the spirit nor the national identity of the Okpe”. Dr. Charles Osume, the Executive Director of the Institute of Okpe Studies, Orerokpe, Delta State, in the concluding part of his book “The Okpe People”41 prayed: “…almighty God to deliver the Okpe from the hands of petty, selfish, and unprogressive leaders. May God deliver Okpe from the hands of oppressors and may He give the Okpe good leaders who are noble and who truly love the progress and advancement of the Okpe”. We all say Amen to this prayer.

A Word to Our Urhobo Brothers

The Okpes and Urhobos have accepted themselves as brothers for more than a century. The Okpes have been appreciative of the symbiotic relations between these two inseparable ethnic brothers. The first Urhobo and Okpe leaders of the golden era of the UPU and the OKPE UNION managed their affairs cordially. The Okpe Union advised Okpe nationals where they do not find an Okpe Union branch, to join UPU. But where there exists an Okpe Union branch, the Okpe Union branch cooperates with the UPU and joined UPU activities corporately and not as individual Okpe persons joining UPU. Gradually, however, some Urhobos who preferred a fusion or assimilation and not a union were not satisfied with the status quo. This influenced the gradual classification at federal and state levels of Okpe as Urhobo. Whereas, the Isokos fought this and won, the Okpes valued the brotherhood and therefore did not follow that step.

We call on all our Urhobo brothers to recognize that in the present circumstances of Delta State and Nigeria, to claim or support the purported position that Okpe is Urhobo does not even benefit Urhobo. It reduces the resources available to Urhobo and Okpe brothers. During zoning and sharing of slots, the Urhobo commonwealth which includes Okpe, loses out because both Urhobo and Okpe would have to share what gets to Urhobo. But if Okpe which is bigger than Isoko or Itsekiri gets its share as a separate ethnic nation, there would be more to share to the various 23 clans of Urhobo, while there will be some commensurate dividends to the 12 clans of Okpe Kingdom and nation. It is when there is justice and fairness that brothers can truly be brothers. According to Professor Obaro Ikime42, “the Isokos were just asking for recognition as a separate ethnicity or tribe. But the attitude of the Urhobos to obliterate the Isoko identity pushed them to the wall” (emphasis mine). There is a way the issue could have been handled with mutual respect and the three brother ethnic nations of Urhobo would continue to feel inseparable and thus work for a common political destiny. It is not still late. It requires a new approach. Maybe practical examples will make the benefit clearer. If federal and state slots come based on ethnic nationality, rather than for Okpe to share in the quantum of slots for Urhobo; it will have hers separately and the 23 Urhobo clans will have a better number to go round. Okpe will have its slots for her 12 clans or districts.

Many Urhobos and other peoples in Delta State and Nigeria obviously do not know the vastness of the Okpe nation. I repeat my earlier explanation to make it clearer. As Ughelli Township has both Ughelli and Ogor kingdoms; so also Sapele Township has both Sapele and Amukpe clans (now called Dukedoms). The Sapele Local Government Area has 5 dukedoms while Okpe Local Government has 7 dukedoms each headed by Ukaro-Orodjes (Dukes). As noted earlier, Mereje and Elume dukedoms or clans are each as large as some LGAs of Delta State today. Each of the Okpe clans, dukedoms or districts have several towns and villages. Many of them are bigger than most of the 23 clans or kingdoms of Urhobo. It is important for our Urhobo brothers to understand this.

The point I am trying to make above is that even if Urhobo even wins the battle of squeezing Okpe under herself, it will by so doing lose the war of development and political ascendancy. To succeed in dominating an ethnic nationality, does not mean success in getting them to act or vote in a particular direction. It is strategic partnership that ensures that. The following will therefore make the Okpe nation feel that sense of fraternity to continue to be part of the Urhobo socio political nation.



Support for the recognition of Okpe as a separate ethnic nationality within the Urhobo socio political union. This will enable Okpe people to retain their identity and the status which Isoko, Itsekiri, Ukuani and others have and thus be entitled to the allocation of resources per ethnic unit; while at the same time working with their Urhobo brothers for strategic partnership.
For Okpe to fully and comfortably participate in UPU activities, the UPU Constitution should recognize the twelve clans(now thirteen) of Okpe as cultural units for purpose of representation rather than the unsustainable one out of twenty four that some are peddling
Support for policies that will promote the growth and sustenance of the Okpe language. Thus, meetings of the Urhobo were Okpe is involved should involve interpreters since the two (2) languages are quite different. This also includes preparation for the use of the Okpe language for church service throughout Okpeland where practicable.
Justice and fairness to the Okpe people in the affairs of Urhobo political union should be ensured. For instance, the zoning or rotation of governorship and senatorial positions should be designed to reflect inclusiveness and brotherhood.
The youths of both ethnic nationalities that make up the socio political union should be assisted to live and act together as the closest peoples on earth. The National Association of Okpe Students for example which has continually complained of exclusion on the basis of non recognition as separate ethnic nationality students for processing bursary, scholarship and DESOPADEC empowerment should be allowed their proper status in the committee of students of different ethnic nationalities. Similarly, Okpe Youth Organizations should be recognized to access slots due to youths of other ethnic nationalities.
Thinking that a policy of assimilation, or fusion coupled with undue pressure, blackmail and offer of goodies or positions to those who would sell out their birthrights will make the Okpe man forego his identity, is wishful thinking. It will make Urhobo lose the war of true unity, development, and political ascendancy. Instead of brothers blackmailing or backbiting brothers, they should sit down to ask each other what they actually want. The bond becomes stronger thereby.

May God bless and protect the Orodje of Okpe. May God bless and protect us all. Amen!

Akpederin Kingsley Ehensiri Esq.

General Secretary, Okpe Union

26th May, 2017.



Okpe Kingdom: A Peep Into History, Culture, Politics
By UCHE OKWURUMGBE
Delta is one unique state that apart from its major five ethnic groups, have smaller dialects and cultures which are also in existence and have become a conglomeration of what we know today as Delta State.
The Urhobo ethnic group, one of the major groups has its own cluster towns and dialects which are a part of its identity today and today’s interest is in one of them, the Okpe People. Okpe people constitute the largest clan of the ethnic group of Delta State. Okpe land is geographically surrounded by five local governments, which are, Warri South, Uvwie, Ughelli North, Ethiope East and Ethiope West Local Governments. Emphasis on human and natural resources is one of the dominant traditions in Okpe culture: abundant food harvest, wives, children and money. There are traditions or dominant themes in Okpe historical culture. These include Okpe as land of opportunity for immigrant labour, particularly agricultural labour (palm produce and rubber). The culture places emphasis on individual self reliance as well as calls for individual courage and diligence for all who work hard.
Okpe people are blessed with expansive land, generously endowed in natural resources-agricultural and mineral resources, historically a land of economic and civil opportunity for all races. The foregoing description simply sets the stage for Okpe’s historic self –perception.
According to oral traditions Okpe people. The decent and migration of Okpe predecessors moved up to an unspecified location in the present Benin kingdom. According to authorities in Okpe history, The tradition claims that the Okpe people are descendants of ancient ruler in Ile-Ife, thus they, like the Binis and other Edo-speaking people came from Ile-Ife.
The Okpe people are said to have settled first settled own in a place called Okpe-Isoko (Okpesiri) in Isoko South Local Government Area. The man Okpe died and left behind four children namely: Orhue, Ororho, Evbreke and Esezi. They stayed for a while in Okpe –Isoko, but later migrated to the present Okpe land due to congestion or war.[/b]

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If we are to allow every fraction break because of
Reasons even the smallest unit called family will still end up breaking, instead of coming out to form okpe out of urhobo why not unite and resolve the issue politically

Am watching how this breakup will help the urhobo people


Delata igbo and itsekiri go just they continue una
While una they one corner they break up

Mumu tribe

Am talking as a benin man because i dey vex for una, here in benin we think say na urhobo people get delta state we nor know say them even they count una join self for were itesekiri and delta igbo they....


Make una get sense......

Las las na itsekiri gocwin governorship next year
Ogboru self don tiya for una

valirex:
I don't get, are you now implying that ovia North East are Igbos? Be more explanatory you don't talk straight and its confusing

Am saying the local govt of igbanke is ovia north east

I never said ovia north east is igbo


I just goggle ovia north east on goggle map to show you the actual location of igbanke

RedboneSmith:
**sigh**

Mehn, all you had to do was read the book by Dalzel that I suggested. Dalzel was a European slave trader who lived in Dahomey in the 18th century during Oyo's ascendancy. So what he wrote of Oyo-Dahomey relations was not hearsay. But since you won't go and read and want to be spoonfed, let me once again spoonfeed you. But at some point, you have to learn to do this research by yourself, gregyboy.

Screenshots from Dalzel's book.

The article looking more like a dump site for rubbish, seriously i wont site this article for you.... What kind of article is this, is it English they are writing abi Spanish.....

Wtf bring the source from a dahomey website you dont need to go far to site a Moran

valirex:
You mean ovia north east are not Edos?

I didnt say that am trying to give you the angle view from ovia north east on the location of Igbanke


You map showed little information on thier surrounding neighbour's you claim they are surrounded by edo and i declined by showing you maps showing they are surrounded by igbos

valirex:
Answer this how will they go when they are surrounded by Edo, take a look at this map

Check the map again they are political bounded as edo by thier local govt ovia north east but culturally and geographically they are not edo but delta igbos


I will show you two pictures

AreaFada2:
Honestly I do not like people who would be enemies within.

At some point people will have to be given a choice to choose where to belong. That includes both Edo Central and Edo North. Igbanke too if they want.

A state of 3 million homogeneous people has a better chance of succeeding than one of 4.5 to 5 million but disunited.

Disunity and lack of common purpose got Nigeria into the pitiable state it's in.

Definitely

AreaFada2:
Kikikikiki.

Anytime anybody from Osun village or some remote South West hamlet reach Lagos or has access to social media, be gin to yarn dust.

Ibadan of yesterday was getting tributes from Benin and Benin was getting tributes from Lagos even during Elekoship of Kosoko until 1850s when Britain took Lagos? Hahahaha!

So Ibadan could not take over Lagos next door, and they now went to Benin?

What they try to deny is that Benin City was the Lagos (metropolis and the place to show off your skills and if lucky, get royal patronage) in imperial times. Many languages were spoken by immigrants from various parts of the empire: artisans, servants, wives taken from other tribes, war captives, etc. So the sound of Igbo, Ijaw and Yoruba would not have been strange. Moreover, less than 50km from Benin City begin Yoruba speaking areas, some now in Ondo State, some still inside Edo State. I know all that area well and how they were under Benin influence.

Is a funny guy.....


Lemme listen to my victor uwaifo song before all this slave of a tribe get me annoyed