₦airaland Forum

Moneywomen17:
u won’t stop making fake claim if I attack U now u go dey shout bigotry. The owa obokun is oodua descendant and has nothing to do with Benin. There is no where recorded that ijesha king came from Benin.

The article i posted testify to the fact edo support a Yoruba nigga to displace a king in ijesha and as a result the benins installed its own king in replacement and that's why the name
Owa obokun and the regalia are all benins

Moneywomen17:
starting from ur first oba oranmiyan to owo people. Ur gods like Ogun and co was introduced by the Yoruba u want more

Bring samuel johson article saying oromiyan came to benin......

Then i will believe you

Because the nigga wrote when culture amongst yoruba were undiluted for any reasons and he was also an oyo man so he will know the history better


So quote me samuel johson works that state oromiyan came to benin

davidnazee:
Oba means king in my language. It may mean something else in yours. And I gave u the full title and meaning in my language so what are u still saying? Are u Edo?

Dont mind the bigot

The etymology of a word does not reflect it usage

They want to claim oba directly means king, ruler in Yoruba land
With no etymology to back it up

davidnazee:
What is the Yoruba word for ruler??

No need asking this people made the word oba attached to thier title to get recognition
They took the excuse from the title oba lagos who the British had renamed from eleko to oba because of difficulty pronouncing the name

lawani:
the Benin that influenced eastern Yoruba were Yoruba speaking Benin not the edo.

I had meant an ondo lady in uniben she told me her name and it was yoruba name , so i was like you're yoruba nice, and she was like she aint originally yoruba that they were originally from benin who thier benin ancestor had migrated to ondo by the orders of the oba of benin, to oversee trade in akure state



Some of this people returned to benin after the benin penuitive expendition by the British oba eweka 11 who called for the returned of the Benin chiefs and thier families over the different vassal state to return home so they can help him build the remains of the war......
Some came back and some remained


So if you hear them speaking a distinct yoruba called lucumi or whatever you call it, you shouldn't mistake it with something else
Before you go around embrassing yourself again

Moneywomen17:
how am I a bigot dumbass. U are the one lying here claiming the ijesha king came from Benin with no fucking proof. When did I say there is no Benin influences in Yoruba land. Can u point that out. What I said was there is more Yoruba influence on Benin than other way around.

Who brought the influence young man to benin

Moneywomen17:
no mind that dumbass. History will never remember Yoruba coming from the forgotten tribe called Benin. Yoruba is known worldwide but Benin are getting lost and lost that people don’t know shit about them. When we are talking about giant Yoruba is one. Benin are unknown. Their only joy is getting reply’s from Yoruba on nairaland to feel relevant.

Feel relevant were......


We are already relevant dumbass


Your ooni in the past held the benin ceremonial sword

A country is name after us.... Benin republic
We have three universities in africa having the name university of benin

*university of benin, benin city nigeria
University of benin, benin rep
University of benin, togo name after the benin empire

The yorubas bore the name oba as a generality for thier kingship title in other to raise thier monarchial prestige to the word while discarding thier original title olu, kaybeysi, deji

I wont go further on this, lets leave it here

Moneywomen17:
ogboni was an arm of government in the old Yoruba kingdom. They are free born men with enormous power to check the power in the old oyo. We are not talking about the fake Ogboni. How did yoruba introduce cultism to Nigeria.

Nigga you're a Yoruba bigot

You're youre not here to defend yoruba put pride on lies.....

I pity the others who will take you serious if you could open your mouth and say benin never influenced yorubas then your case is sorry....

Moneywomen17:
[s]horse was not introduce to the Yoruba by Hausa rather nupe dumbass. Hausa were Slaves only in the old oyo. The word horse was gotten from Arabic just like wahala alubusa and esin. If anything if esin is Benin word for horse that means u only borrow the Yoruba pronunciation of it. Cuz Benin doesn’t have a horse culture. Egusi and iyan is not a Benin food just cuz western Yoruba like amala doesn’t mean shit. Benin republic Yoruba delicacy is neither amala either but oka. I know it’s hard for u to understand but when u are a huge ethnic group not just couple million there will be difference in cuisine. Itsekiri delicacy is not iyan and egusi why cuz I thought iyan was ur influence. U did not control ondo or ekiti especially ijesha and also ijesha and co do not have a horse culture. I hope u know who ogedengbe is. Yoruba introduce art to u and also coral beed is indigenous to Yoruba so u also didn’t introduce shit. There is more Yoruba influences on Benin than the other way around[/s].

Bigot...... I wont be replying you again, because your bigotry is now overwhelming


Untill you correct this statement

Stephenmoka4:
If she lied then that's bad, if she's telling the truth and you're not believing, that could be a difficult situation.

If she lied she cant hide it forever a discussion will akways lead there someday if they are stilll in touch, but the guy should accept what she is saying now because he is left defenseless

Mystiquefia:
Darfay what do you hope to gain by rooting out a thread that dates back to 2016 on Nairaland Of all places, for people who are neither okpe's or urhobos to deliberate on? I mean, if you think this issue is worth deliberating (which i doubt), why dont you take a copy of this summation and post it on any of the urhobo peoples or okpe forums on facebook for proper, indepth debates? why must you wash your dirty linen outside for saboteurs to prey on? are you not a saboteur yourself?

That's true from what you said

From the above writeup, the writer is misled okpe came from ile ife likewisd benin is the o. P not stupid

We have addressed the issue that benin coming from ife was a political stunt and this o. P is repeating such propaganda, tells everything abkut is writeup is fake

RedboneSmith:
I do not know where you read this, but the people of Ugbodu and by extension the Olukwumi, do not claim Benin origin. They came from parts of Eastern Yorubaland that were under Benin hegemony. In their oral traditions Owo and Akure are specifically mentioned.

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Lawani , RedboneSmith who replied is not a Benin person so don’t think he is ,or intending to defend Benin

RedboneSmith I believe he is even Igbo but one thing I know he is a scholar on culture thread


Make sure you carry your sense and drop your tribal bigotry why debating him if not ,you will be humiliated

MelesZenawi:
Make up.

merged ke?

Abeg talk another thing..

To an igbo man, the Midwest he knows is the igboid axis.

Do you know why i find you two big tribe funny
Yoruba and igbo, because benin is a minor tribe you guys easily undermine us,
Even in hundreds of ethnic group in nigeria edo people are still the number one minority which are very outspoken in nigeria and we also fought for midwest actualization

You guys choosed stop undermining edo even if we join any of this fraction i bet politically any fraction we join we will still be outspoken in that republic politically
We just want our sane clime and our culture intact not even because we are actually afraid of marginalization on political ground

Moneywomen17:
shut up esin is not a Benin word. Stop claiming what does not belong to u. It’s not even African so stop being a thief. Benin doesn’t have a horse culture. Just cuz ur king was drawn on a horse doesn’t mean shit. Oyo has an horse culture. Ijebu has an horse culture. Benin doesn’t.

Oyo has a culture of horse i correct this earlier with an article that horse was introduced to oyo by hausas who acted as thier calvary during war
And benin deafted them even with thier hausa hired calvary not just them other tribes that benin encountered that made use of calvaries


Oga you dump fool

Horse is hisan in Arabic and the pronunciation is very different from the word esin


Horse could have come from the arabs but we the word esin was introduced to the yorubas by benins as long as we controlled ondo, ekiti, eko, ijesha

Our influence cannot be undermined amongst the yorubas our food Egusi and pounded is what eastern yorubas calls thier delicacy unlike the other yoruba that was influenced by oyo that regards amala and ewedu as it delicacy

If yorubas language is a mixture of both western and Eastern yorubas then our influence cant be undermined among Yorubas


I dont get it because you guys are now a majour tribe now you all want to rewrite our influence soon the red coral beads belonging to the benins and worn by yorubas and igbos would soon be debated by your generation as indigenous

Amujale:
That is not the etymology.

Oba is the yoruba generic term for king.

I would'vr shown what an etymology, yet, in a way, the "decline of etymology as a linguistic discipline" is in itself the definition of etymology.

What you see isnt what you have saw, lets leave at that.

History will never remember you yorubas because you all always hide under the shadows of other people history and that's why history will always forget you all

Moneywomen17:
dumb ass can u read at all. Didn’t u see where I stated in the comment that it was borrowed from the Hausa who borrowed it from Arabic. Everything is borrowed from Benin. What a dunce u are. Benin that doesn’t even have a horse culture.

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And the Europeans drew the oba on horse

And they are so many sculpture depicting horses in benin artwork

Moneywomen17:
name the 30 kings cuz I only know of one.

I guess the whole of ondo state has more than 30 kings lets not include ekiti yet

Moneywomen17:
name the 30 kings cuz I only know of one.

Stupid talk,


I won't derail this thread for this argument


You seem not to know the Yoruba history but you're ready to argue the ownership of oba


Tribal bigot

MelesZenawi:
Igbos had never fought for Edo to join them. That's an anathema. We all know where edi belongs. So we can't be dragging what rightfully belongs to Yorubas..

Historical there is no Edo and Igbo correlation.
Historical there is overwhelming Edo and Yoruba Historical ties.


We sit at the comfort of our zones and recognize only those who speak Igbo, answer Igbo and understand Igbo...

Edo doesn't fit here in anyway. So they are Yorubas.

Yea we share similarities that's because we once oppressed thier ancestors and install our kings on them but we dont want to do that dirty job anymore so we would rather stay on our own we can pick from both igbos and yorubas to join our Midwestern region, places like anambra, ondo, ekiti

Amujale:
African history comprises of Agriculture,  Architecture, Arts, Astronomy, Astrology, Commerce, Engineering, Mathematics, Medical sciences, Philosophy, Physical sciences e.t.c

https://www.nairaland.com/5795996/african-origin-civilisation

U guys adopted it fron benin



We have more than 30kings in Yoruba land who would have introduced the title to yorubas
Not some imaginary oromiyan who never visited benin but spent his life waring nupes

MelesZenawi:
LMAO

Dream of tiny space. Better dissolve what is remaining of Edo into Yoruba or oodua.

my igbo man stop dreaming not everything we plan or think actually goes the way we think....


You should be concerned on getting all eastern ibos to join Biafra and not longing afar from what you may not get


Tiny edo is what is still giving you all headaches see how igbos and yorubas are fighting on who edo will join....

Aint we just too good that the two big foolish tribes want us by thier side

Moneywomen17:
dumbass. U are the one that lacks sense. Humans have a functioning brain and they are not ostrich who put their head in the ground and assume no one is around. Just cuz something was not written down doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Esin a Yoruba word for horse without a written word it’s etymology was clear that it was not Yoruba but borrowed from Hausa who borrowed from Arabs. Once more here is the meaning of etymology. Get sense by force. Etymology has nothing to do with written words.

Same here for horse in benin


Esin is horse in benin probably you guys borrowed it from us two

Moneywomen17:
first of all there is nothing called oba it’s n’oba which means shining. And true every word has their own etymology but ur word was omo n’oba n’edo not oba cuz the word oba literally has no meaning in ur language it’s a fact so that’s out. And stop lying ur king in the past are called ogiso sky king the itsekiri king are called ogiamen while uhrobo word for king is Ovie.. oba of Lagos is a king not duke. All oba from ologun kutere doesn’t trace their ancestors to Benin except maternally.

There was never ogiso it is a benin myth told by binis

Ogie is for duke

And Its etymology means sent

Ghostwon65:
There is no such thing as west African etymology.
You are playing into the Yoruba game by not being logical at every given time.
Oba is the short version of Omo n'Oba n'Edo. Period.
It is the title of the emperor of Benin. Period.

Yea, i told them earlier i guess I had to explain is confusion

Moneywomen17:
u don’t have real ogboni in Benin what u have is fake. Ogboni in Yoruba land are political and an arm of government during the oyo empire with enormous powers.

So tge author who weote was mad abi he just decided to favour benin


The author was actually discussing yoruba history ans not benin


The quoted does not prove anything or disprove the fact that yorubas might have adopted to thier
Political system

Moneywomen17:
lies oba doesn’t even have a meaning in edo language as most of ur brother have admitted several times here what u have is n’oba. And oba doesn’t mean emperor in edo cuz to be an emperor u have to have an empire. When Benin was still a kingdom in early stage the king was still called omo n’oba n’edo so stop lying. N’oba means shining and that’s not a name for an emperor. How can Benin be legitimate owner of a title that has no meaning in ur language. In Yoruba oba is king. Title relating to oba is otunba or u Benin go claim we adopt otunba title too. In oyo past traditions those who are buried with the king are called abobaku. Did we borrow it from Benin too. Get it into ur thick skull. Oba is yoruba n’oba is edo. U only borrowed oba. Shikena.

Oga every word has it etymology even the word king has it etymology and the etymology does not represent the meaning of the word it is simply it is simply an historical derivation of thee word and not necessarily the meaning or the importance of the word


Oba etymology is shinning

But literally means king

Ogie etymology means ʼsent'
Literally meaning, Duke, royalty


Enogie, ovie, enochie all means "someone sent' to rule on behalf and they are mostly dukes

The oba of lagos is an enogie and not oba he will be addressed as enogie o ke ekomeaning the duke of lagos


So oba means king in benin its etymology means shinning


So stop saying it doesn't mean king in benin because your eyes is not blind to see it is referred to a king in benin


If you want to argue further provide my evidence oromiyan came to benin with archeological or documented evidence

Prohollowu:
All you see in this articles are not fictions from books... They are what the people there narrated. Fiction or not, at least, there are sources who claimed all these things happened there.
...if goblins are still there now, no one can enter there to see all the locations and return to share this story. They are no more there as they were then. That is what this article is saying... If you are familiar with that place as you have claimed, then you should know who has the title of oba awon iwin (King of goblins). His name is indicated in this article, you can make further inquiry.

This is the issues we have with yorubas, they cant tell history without dining in myth

Moneywomen17:
ur brother open this thread dumbass claiming ogboni belongs to Benin after he lost he also tried to claim the word oba. Oba does not have any meaning in ur language so how can it be urs.

And how did you achieve that

Ghostwon65:
The Fulani copied the ottomans by using titles such as sultan and emir. But at least they don't deny it.
But the Yoruba just copy do many tribes and don't even pay credit, they turn around and claim those tribes copied them, not too long ago the ooni was trying to claim Igbo.
He even claimed internet was derived from IFA.
The list goes on...
Why do these people lie so much ?

Egwusi and pounded is now been atributed to either igbos or youbas,

Especially the igbos laying falseful claims to them

I did a research and found out that people who consider pounded yam and eguisi as thier traditional delicacy in Yoruba land were actually benin influence yoruba people in ondo and delta
The other yorubas lay claims to amala and ewedu from oyo influence,
But igbos still insisted eguisi must be thiers

Gradually we lost voice in our delicacy because our delicacy has now became a delicacy for all
Soon our children would be faced on the argument if the coral is even benins

Same way the title oba was adopted by yorubas to raise thier monarchial prestige of the Yoruba people using the title oba, because eweka made a friendly tales of the benin-ife monarchy to the yorubas

Lete be guided and think fast if we cant stop people from adopting our culture but we cant get them to acknowledge its origin

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I think edo and delta should be a country no more no less


At the end of the day edo wont be fragmented as the igbos and yorubas think, the Igbanke, akoko edo will enjoy a bigger chance and a bigger voice remaining in Midwestern country than when they are included to the different big tribes were thier vioce will be stumbled on


I assure both oduduwa republic and Biafra republic that edo and delta wont be fragmented at the end of the day since the oba had once ruled over them in the past and they all share one or two cultural similarities within the ediod culture they will always ways feel at home with Midwestern country and we all we be great again

Even when british gave scotland independence few years ago they rejected it and still prefer to remain in uk...... This are die minute choice that changes everything so dont be fooled



There is no ika with no ediod
There is no urhobo with no ediod
There is no akoko edo with no ediod
There is no ukwani with no ediod



Oba kha to kpere...... Ise

We say yes to the Midwest country on behalf of all our brothers who share one or two cultural similarities within the ediod culture
Remeber through the help of oba eweka who fought for the actualization of midwest region to be created regardless of who was delta igbo, or akoko edo, or urhobo, lets not be surprised even some yoruba people in ekiti amd ondo will decide to join Midwestern country

Here in benin


Na ogun dey kill you

Follow by ozur=fool

Ewe=goat, na this one pain pass especially when them curse you with the benin name ewe you fit mad