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lawani:
in the 18th century oyo became the strongest power in West Africa when they overthrew the Asante king. Oyo extracted tribute from almost all Yoruba speaking people at one time or the other. Oyo was vast and powerful. The Calvary was the long arm of the empire. I wonder how people can claim interest in West African history and refuse to acknowledge oyo. Very shameful indeed. I

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valirex:
They are not igbos they are Igbanke people. Let's stop marginalizing them. I have been with Igbanke people and they spoke little Bini and claimed to be Edos. And they have the full.right to be Edos if they choose to. You and I know they will never surmount to anything in biafra, they will never be accepted if they foolishly agree to go with biafra

Who said, i totally disagree on this with you the one i meant insulted we edos, and vouched biafra, it was an eyesore that day, he was ranting we were marginalizing them and asked him how? he said we are trying to eradicate thier culture and influence them with benin

I bluntly told him, if you're in edo behave like edo, if you're in igboland behave as one after all we didnt cut you guys to edo state but the federal govt so rant at them or better still since you all claim delta igbo then you all should do all your things to delta state

The guy almost removed my head he never even showed anyform of respect to edo people


I also told him if the ijaws in ondo state speaks and bear yoruba names and yet still identify as ijaw-yoruba then i dont see why the Igbanke are not doing thesame and he was like, you cant compare yoruba pop or influence with that of small benin, then he further brought the minority - majourity talk to explain why they can never be influenced by edo and would never be influenced

Eberejesus111:
Well, you have a point though, but this is the 21st century and no group or tribe of the world would want to be under the tutelage and watchful eyes of a ruler or Oba. Even when it comes to dynastical culture.
Look at it this way, if they told you choose between Old Russian or Soviet Union and present day America, which one would you choose.

The way I see Biafra, they've seen it all, the divide and rule, the ployed hate between tribes and even them for years now, so when making a state or country, they'll want to include everyone along. They'll make sure tribe or tribal sentiments isn't the forefront, especially to make it more of a free country like the United States.

How would you make a country based on tribal sentiments, when you've learned from Big Brother Nigeria. I presume the first thing in the Constitution, if made would be more like Benjamn Franklin and his people in 17-18 century United states, were they all came together to free or loosen themselves from the mad king of Britain in that time.

They had learned and were willing to make a change, which Birthed the free country and the most adored country we now have today.

Who do you think understand the pain of marginalization more between the igbos and niger delta


If you chase a non indigene to the palace of the oba, as a benin man and the person bern chased enter the oba palace, you as a benin cant touch him anymore be it any tribe....


The oba had ruled his vassal state with respect in the past,

Am not, inspiring for monarchial rule in the mid western country no not all i still prefer democracy or parliamentary system of govt

The part of niger delta can then form a country of thiers

RedboneSmith:
Please, find the "History of Dahomy" written by Archibald Dalzel in the 18th century. Also find and read "Sources of Oyo history" by Robin Law. Professor Robin Law has in fact done splendid work on the Oyo, and his doctoral dissertation was on Oyo.

Find and read these books and papers. I cannot be running around fetching references for things that should be well known to people who genuinely are interested in African history.

Genuinely you say, i have books ascertaining the other yorubas were never influenced or paid tribute to oyo at any point in time
Robin law was just reproducing what he was told as oral history, it is a simple analogy thats calls for no difficult in reasoning
Oyo had a clash with the female warriors in dahomey and they lost, the male warriors in oyo where ashamed. they were defeated by females so years later the oyo regrouped, and fought the dahomey female warriors again. and this time it was a tie both party left home seeing no one winning.....

But the issue of paying tribute wtf that was a big lie, the only people who paid tribute to the imagined yorubas if it was even true, were the yorubas who migrated to dahomey during war and slave hunt

RedboneSmith:
Western scholars with interest in African history, that's who.

Why do you people like to pretend that we don't have evidence of Oyo conquering and exerting tribute from non-Yoruba groups in modern Benin Republic and parts of Togo?

Bring prove to this


Did they install thier king in this various imagined country, did they leave any cultural influence to this people in this country

If not it was not conquering it was probably just a war between both party

lawani:
It is high time the Yoruba and allies in West Africa create an Oyo successor state and leave Nigeria which is a failed state already. Nigeria is a successor of the British empire and it has outlived its usefulness. Yoruba and allies like Fon, Bariba and others in Benin republic and Togo should be in one country, an Oyo successor. If west Germany and east Germany can reunite after decades to form a new Germany, then nothing should stop the Yoruba and allies to reunite in a post colonial era. West Africa should be restructurëd to reflect pre colonial realities.

Oyo was never an empire stop dreaming, an imaginary empire that was probably made up from the dream of a Yoruba man and was written in a book to bring it into life is it that what you call an empire

Maybe an empire of dream.... Spit

OgboAto:
Thank God for Mr. Roupell's papers.
Y'all should stop claiming us, by the way. You'll do well to claim Italians as your kinfolks.

I will post you an article tomorrow to disprove that rubbish you posted as an article earlier

OgboAto:
Ordinary Ijaw shook your 2by2 kingdom to the core, don't be too noisy.

Yoruba towns in Edo state alone is enough not to mention the entire Yorubaland.

Dude spoke huge of 2by2 kingdom that Ogedengbe & his war boys ravaged that your coral wearing Sisi of a king had to appease him with Bini heaux & beads. .

Speaking of ND like there are no Yoruba towns there in ND or there are no Yoruba in Republic of Benin, Togo, Ghana, Cuba & Brazil. Your 2by2 kingdom will be overrun with historical facts & propaganda simultaneously, fxking weak set of bxtches.

No wonder it took an Ibo man to lead your midwestern region agitation, an Ibo man! All ye Bini were pussies and could not do a thing till an Ibo stepped in. No wonder the Ibo claim you as part of Biafra, Bini the conquered peoples.

Go sleep my yoruba friend

OgboAto:
My guy, I know you are an illiterate Bini cultist whose sisters are whoring in Italy but real quick, grab a book written by foreigners and you'll see those kings I listed existed before the Ooni that gave birth to the Oranmiyan that gave birth to your Eweka. Yoruba & your 2by2 kingdom nor be mate abeg.

Lol, pained.....


I quoted you on my samuel johnson thread you ignored only qn igboman stood to reply me


Oromiyan that never existed


No Benin-ife connections untill proven otherwise

OgboAto:
Smh,

You all went to screenshot J D Y Peel's paper where he gathered all the fables in Ilesa.

The paper speaks of the origin of Ogboni in Ilesa [one town out of several Yoruba towns] being from a Bini person who became a chieftain in Ilesa.

You lot are stack dishonest illiterates.

The word Ogboni is Yoruba. The origin of history of Ogboni is Yoruba & in Ifa the origin of Ogboni is Yoruba.
If you were a member, you would know all of the chants, rituals and symbolism are Yoruba. I'm a member of ROF and a traditional Ogboni in my hometown, you lot should stop with the nonsense.

You guys are overreaching and you know your population is far less than that of Yoruba online & offline. You can make the Yoruba go on a propaganda rampage against you online and your largely illiterate population would not be able to withstand the heat. If attention is taken off Ibo & put on your 2 by 2 town, it will be disastrous for you.

Stop attaching population when debating benin when your ancestors carried guns to kill themselves from benins they didn't reason if we are minorites
When we sacrifice ijebu to our gods we didnt consider them majourity


So Bleep you and your population we took care of you alk in the past we will do it again

OgboAto:
Smh,

You all went to screenshot J D Y Peel's paper where he gathered all the fables in Ilesa.

The paper speaks of the origin of Ogboni in Ilesa [one town out of several Yoruba towns] being from a Bini person who became a chieftain in Ilesa.

You lot are stack dishonest illiterates.

The word Ogboni is Yoruba. The origin of history of Ogboni is Yoruba & in Ifa the origin of Ogboni is Yoruba.
If you were a member, you would know all of the chants, rituals and symbolism are Yoruba. I'm a member of ROF and a traditional Ogboni in my hometown, you lot should stop with the nonsense.

You guys are overreaching and you know your population is far less than that of Yoruba online & offline. You can make the Yoruba go on a propaganda rampage against you online and your largely illiterate population would not be able to withstand the heat. If attention is taken off Ibo & put on your 2 by 2 town, it will be disastrous for you.

2by2 town you think we are igbos who are silent
Nairaland go spoil, please don't even dream of it
Would be an eyesore i know my people dont try it,

It wont be a benin - yoruba bashing anymore
It will now be Edo-yoruba bashing and may escalate to a full niger delta-yoruba bashing

Think before you talk,

Only benin people will shake the entire yoruba people in tribal bashing.....

Try come benin you go know why itsekiri called us ile binu



Again dont ever wish for benin-yoruba bashing dont it wont be funny nairaland go spoil nor be joke ooh. Before a thread will hit the front page benin people would have first hijacked it

OgboAto:
How about the Obatala, Obalufon, Obalaayna, Obajio, Obalufe, Obarese, Obalase, Obalejugbe, Obanurin, Obalurin, Obasao, Obariyun, Obakire, Obawinrin, Obawinni & Obadio that preceded Ooni?

This does not prove shit




Since the introduction of Christianity all our names in various tribe to carry god in our local dialect attached to the original names

Ebo-wonyi is now osa-wonyi

Likewise after the adoption of the word oba by the yorubas from benin many of it original names changed to reflect oba probably this words was called something else in Yoruba

Maybe olu-tanla now oba-tanla

If we are to start naming every prefix with oba from the benin benin people too would that convince you

Obagodo
Obaseki
Obayagbon
Obayuwana
And co,

OgboAto:
The delusion is grand

Nigga you just have to prove.....


Go do your research i want to be wrong, i want to be disproved


The rfo is a reformed type of ogboni package and reimported to benin but it does not ascertain its originality

Nigeria have introduced different churches to uk, but does that change the fact Christianity was introduced by the British to Nigeria

lawani:
you can start building your Igodomigodo or edo empire now where edo will be the lingua franca but Benin was Yoruba speaking not edo.

I hear you go sleep

OgboAto:
Na wa o, this Bini people seem to have a serious complex problem.

How is Ogboni of Bini origin when it was just introduced to Bini in the 1950s & this same Ogboni caused serious problems among the Bini between 1959-1963 leading them to want to break off from the West because they thought the West was influencing them badly?

Lol, but a Yoruba article claims otherwise

Ogboni had always been edo people the reformed society was introduced not the worship


The RFO which is the reformed worship was introduced but the worship has always been edo

lawani:
Oranmiyan.

Lol, you're sleeping


Go sleep

RedboneSmith:
Samuel Johnson links the Benin with the Yoruba (when he said Oduduwa's third child founded the kingdom of Benin). But curiously Oranmiyan isn't the link in Johnson's account.

Oranmiyan (in Johnson's account) was Oduduwa's last child who founded Oyo.

Johnson as an oyo and the earliest writter who wrote at as early as 1820 from different oral account couldnt still identify oromiyan established benin.....

If an ijesha man forgot to document that, he can be excuse not an oyo man


Yoruba had always thought benins were fellow yorubas if you see from my several screenshot benin have been doing dirty works for yorubas and even hired as machineries for battles against other yorubas so they considered edo as brothers, but they were really not like they thought
I would call edo relationship with yorubas as family friend relationships

So samuel wrote out of myth when included benins as coming from ile ife

But the striking issue here is oromiyan was not mentioned in his 800 pages book to even have branched benin at any point



This leads more to my point that yorubas here disprove, that oba eweka said what he had to say for political reasons out of minority complex in the old western region

Stephenmoka4:
She will either change topic, stick till her claims or not contribute, there are girls that are tactical and good at drawing their heavy defensive side to keep their partner in check.
Some people are good at covering their track.

You must be smart too instead attacking at first intel by her patiently wait for more by that time you will be already convinced

Please yorubas shouldn't avoid this beautiful thrrad like plague please we need your comment

lawani:
olukunmi is a Yoruba dialect today and it is not mixed with edo. You don't need to be rude.

View this thread


https://www.nairaland.com/5857780/benin-enslave-yorubas-long-supplied#89545110


https://www.nairaland.com/5857722/post-samuel-j-article-written

Moneywomen17

Igbosmoker:
so Yoruba language magically vanished from our mouth? Lmao

Yes na according to lawani

lawani:
yes they had a distinct Yoruba dialect which was the lingua franca. This is what I want us to agree upon.

Nope they adopted the yoruba they meant there with thier original benin dialect to form the language lukumi


Must i teach you how to use your sense when you're the sole proprietor of it

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We are still on the issue in benin-ife connection

The yoruba belived there was no political play between the oba of benin and yorubas in the benin-ife connection but they have also failed to provide evidence of the relationship between ife and benin since 1475 to 1914.....or even with archeological findings to really support thier claim that the ife connection had nothing to do with politics and was basically history with no distortion


So i would make it easier for them especially for Moneywomen17 and lawani to point out in samuel johson book on yoruba history were johson as an oyo man wrote oromiyan came to establish benin Kingdom
We know samuel johson saw series of yoruba war in the late 1800 and wrote about them extensively with fact he was also from oyo so he knew his history than any random yoruba would claim



So i would have asked for his first edition but it would be impossible and unfair to the yorubas so atleast let it be second edition, to apoease all judgment



If you can type use voice recording please

lawani:
was Benin speaking edo to them in ekiti,akure and other parts of the empire? Yoruba was the palace language which reflects in their town names like ughoton and agenebode, both are Yoruba names.

And who brought this influence