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macof:
what concerns me with what you think of your oba? Is it not because you see that your ekaladaran - oduduwa nonsense isn't taken seriously that you have resorted to outrightly denying oduduwa

disproved by who?

Oghene is nupe, ife, Zimbabwe


Among the three ife is the least considered

Ife has been finally removed,
Because there was never a relationship with benin

macof:
There are actually written records by Europeans mentioning the oba of Benin confirming his ascension with the Ooni of Ife

1. Pic: Screenshot from "Studies in Urhobo Culture" by Peter Palmer Ekeh... this shows that The name "Oghene" used by several people to refer to the King of Ife.


2. Pic: Screenshoot from "Art in Ancient Ife: Birthplace of the Yoruba" by Suzanne Blier


But my earlier post was to correct your ridiculous notion that absence of European accounts mean absence of evidence
I didn't know that you binis think so low of yourselves in the face of Europeans
So now, Europeans must tell you what Bini history is
Tufiakwa!!!

You think we will descredit everything our oba said for self gains
I don't think so


Oghene has already been disproved

So rest

Gregyboy

I am tired of always having to come back to correct your non ending gaffs.
You really need to humble yourself ! And stop being disrespectful !
At what level did you stop your education ?
You need to push that thing (your education) forward and stop shooting yourself in the feet while believing you are growing muscles. ("I need to suffer to get muscles, therefor, now and then, I shoot my foot" )


Areafada and Davidnazee and Samuk why are you guys never calling gregyboy to order ? He is your pikin and you don't rein in discipline ?

Gregyboy, be smart when talking, and respect the Oba of Benin !

You keep insulting me when you are proving your point,

If your angry am questioning our oba then come directly to me and dont hide under the emotion to insult me, we have argued on the previous thread on obaseki paternity which you disagree to what i said but you carried it all along while quoting me.......
I dont walk with peoole who is filled with so much emotions

You cant force me to accept what you believe if its what you want,
I can question the oba if there is a need to

But you bringing out emotions while quoting me is very unnecessary.......

AreaFada2:
Not entirely. There is "Amamieson Aimiuwa" on the logo too. Which is also the name of a palm tree the Oba symbolically climbs on the way to coronation during the ten days period.

Oba has even given scholarships to kids able to recite long praise poetry in Benin Language. The new compulsory Benin Language in schools is Oba's initiative. See link here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8KQIUpO2sw

Sure we can all do more.

For now, our women are the biggest problem. It's women who largely raise kids. But our women attend churches largely run by non-Benin people in Benin. Many such people demonise our culture. Paint our culture as pagan. For two main reasons (1) to cut our people off from their tradition in order to control them to get tithes. (2) Revenge over historical supremacy over them. There are hidden battles going on. You get to see it on social media in tribal fora.

My child will speak benin even if am not always around to impose it, i will makesure he goes to a school inside d palace to learn it,
Our tvs station should be read in benin all programs......

Even people i have meant from other always mock me that benin cant speak thier language that all we speak is pidgin some say they want to learn benin but they couldn't

babtoundey:
Who is pushing to create thread for your groundless and unverifiable claims? Yorubas or your determination to refute, rubbish and efface every facts that establishes Benin Ife onnection, and express your dissatisfaction on a subject that identify you and link you with people you don't like?

You may get to walk and do concrete research because I am tired of you originating a claim one day and countering it the next day.

Is that all you can say....

I thought you were bringing proof benin-ife existed

I can show you prove of benin and other yorubas

gomojam:
I don't take the clown serious any longer. Reading should be his priority right now, not instigating a debate with a poorly researched 'evidence' which in turn makes people wonder if Benin is an intellectually barren land.

His yeye attempt at Benin/Ife debate so far has not done good but a great disservice to the kingdom of Benin. He is just too dull, imbecillic and ego driven to see that.

TAO11 had gone oblivion for research you should
Do thesame
TAO11 is a lady forgodsake you yoruba guys should be ashamed letting a female do all the work, when she gets back you all males will start wetingon her findings

Lazy tribe thats why benin conquered you all

babtoundey:
See you driving forth and back. Now there was Ekaladeran. But yesterday and the day before he didn't exist. Why is it that you cannot be consistent and assertive for once? Now, you have thrown another bombshell: There was never Ogiso. it had always been Oba right from the beginning.

Believe me, if you keep on like this, no sane person will take you serious. In fact, I have stopped reading most of your comments (particular those that relate to Benin/Ife and even Benin itself).

Why don't just take your time compile your facts make it whole and come back to tell us how it is this and not that. Presenting a work that is badly researched, badly compiled and awfully done will not win you a medal. I'm sure tomorrow (This I have said before) you have the tendency of coming back and telling us your findings have shown all you present today to be hearsays. Be consistent. If you want to lie, table a complete, plausible, constant and defendable lies. Not the kind that changes colour like a chameleon.

The truth is am not far from the truth i never intended to create any of this thread because my research are still on going but you yorubas kept pushing me to, i have really not created an official thread for this benin and ife relationship they are more info i reserved for the official thread............ Am giving this unofficial thread for the yorubas to have room to debate my ascertion

It logical and laughable but ogiso never existed it was made to support the myth

Skygod kings..... (myth alert alert)


And again i never said ekaladeran didnt exist all i said was ekaladeran - Oduduwa never existed what existed was ekaladeran who died in ughoton village in benin


Benin had always had the oba title from creation
There was never ogiso

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Gregyboy, you need to contrôle yourself.
Obaseki is originally an Anioma family.
Closed.

Nope

Obseki ancestors left benin to rule the anioma people obaseki who was not heir to the throne left to his ancestoral land benin to seek for a better life......


So Obaseki is benin

Or lets say benin-anioma like akure benin chiefs

If he wasnt benin the oba wouldn't give him a royal title

There was no oranmiyan, Areafada is a smart guy, but I don't know why he keeps on believing in the existence of oranmiyan or oduduwa.

I dont believe there was oromiyan am replying a guy who said oromiyan existed

Your are been hyperactive right now

Gregyboy, you are not the right person to tell anybody anything "bluntly". But since you insist on telling things bluntly to your brother.
Let me tell you things bluntly: you are not very smart and many times what you say are an embarrassment to Edo.

Although you are right when you say there was never an oduduwa nor an oranmiyan, there was also never an ogiso.

You need to consult with others like Samuk and Davidnazee before some of your comments. They are smarter than you and on the same team as you !
That is me saying things bluntly.

Yea there was never ogiso, i just figured that out not too long, it was always oba from the start

But i believe ekaladeran lived and died at ughoton tho he didnt have any history with ife as it was assumed......


Ekaladeran existed tho he found ughoton and rituals are still be conducted at ughoton till date

There was never ogiso i believed that too

Ile binu was given by the itsekiri which Portuguese converted to benin

macof:
But for God's sake isn't this stupid?
Why on earth should absence of European accounts mean absence of evidence?
West Africans had their own history and told their own history themselves you know

For example we know from local accounts that Bini had trading contacts with Kumasi. The initial camp at Lagos is assumed by some historians to be for the very purpose of facilitating further trade
No European account will tell you this, does that mean no such trade occurred?

And what's this about archeological evidence for a place name? One would think language is the bases of toponyms to be studied through linguistics not material artifacts relevant to archaeology

You want to form evidence based sceptic but when you don't know what serves as evidence on West African history what sort of yeye sceptic is that?

He is even quoting a European author
. Ok since no written record bring archeological findings

That should be easy


You guys want to claim us by force so you marginalize us on our history.......

E nor go work

Am not going to be using date to explain this
I just want to give the summary of the game of politics we all fell for......



Back in the 60s when our traditionalist were been elevated especially in the western region it breeded conflict among the traditional rulers in the then western region
They all made up a story of the non existed Oduduwa, some yorubas believed he had existed, some say it was just a myth created by the yoruba people, but each mornachs in the western region had thier own stories of Oduduwa that fit thier narrative. It was mostly centred around the three popular kings in the western region the alafin of oyo, the ooni of ife and the oba of benin
The ooni of ife and the oba of benin had the major support, the ooni is believed to be the true son of Oduduwa by the yoruba people, the oba of benin on the otherhand, use to have sovereignty over a large part of yorubas who the monarchs still regard him as thier superior king, the alafin oyo didnt really gain much support than these two, on both tales told by the oba of benin and the ooni of ife alafin remained third, from the oba of benin angle on the tales(myth) of Oduduwa he remained first same for the ooni vise-versa
The alafin had is own support for the oba of benin, egharevba the first benin historian had wrote his story to fit the oba narrative but he was intercepted by the only printing press in ibadan, (ibadan printing press)
Knowing egharevba motives he was asked to go back to rewrite his story to feature ife as the head which he complied to inother to move in his acedemical studies, the oba plan later didn't succeed he wasn't having enough political power to back him his plans, awolowo had taken side with the ooni , although he was in the western region the oba benin was not recognized as a yoruba man this allowed tribalism play-in against the oba of benin. The olu of itsekiri was later elevated as the olu of warri because of the yoruba ancestory which prompted riot in the then
Western region, the oba failed plot was associated with the edos been marginalized by the yoruba people, the yoruba knowing the oba of benin was alien to ancestory of Oduduwa proomted the constant marginalization, Oduduwa ancestory was unique to the yorubas alone the oba of benin happened to join in for his political gain, if he had succeeded he would have been the topmost ruler of the western region


Both the oba of benin and the ooni of ife conspiracy traces Oduduwa to earlier as the 10c i.e 900yrs ago from the benin dating.....
But if Oduduwa was really the progenitor of the yoruba people he should have existed beyond thousands of years ago to give the population of the entire yoruba people

Igbosmoker:
that's how the world is? Even this English language was a new form of Germanic language before they started dominating then there language spread.

Without use and population for a language it slowly dies

The benin language is dieing so very fast unlike the other part of edo state that still fully retains thier language......


Benin local words are getting into nigeria lexicon on daily bases if we dont keep the language how can we share our lexicon

Words like

Ikebbe
Ogun dey kill u
Osanubua


And so on

samuk:
In today Nigeria, the Westerners and easterners equate population size to great historical achievements, which is the reason they keep referring to the size of Benin in their arguments and those amongst them that should know better are blinded by bigotry.

Most Yoruba can not tell you their real/Ife history ealier than 1930, if you push them further, you may be lucky to get as far back as 1850, anything beyond that, they will need the aids of archeologists and anthropologists to start explaining myths as history.

Most Igbo are even worse than the Yoruba, majority of them don't know their history beyond 1966, you push them further, you may get to 1914 and anything earlier, they start to call on archeologists and anthropologists.

The Yoruba started their Oduduwa republic with the Ife myth while the Igbo are using Nri for their Biafra. Yoruba wants to erase every town and city in Yoruba land that had Benin influence with Ife, everybody in Yoruba land are suddenly now from Ife including those whose history predates Ife by centuries.

The Igbo who would also like to replace all Benin influenced kingdoms in south south and south east with their Biafra project are having even tougher times than the Yoruba. How would you expect the Obi of Agbor to recognise any Eze in south east as his superior.

Unfortunately for both east and west, Benin history is written, not just oral, legends and myths. They can be referenced.

You have just referenced Olaudah Equiano book that was written in late 1700s and it puts the heart of Igbo land firmly under the control of Benin kingdom.

They would like to rubbish Zik for his autobiography, what about Olaudah. These guys think history are made up stuffs, history is created.

You don't just wake up and pronounce greatness on your self, you create it.

The Yoruba and Igbo are having same problems, they want to tell all sorts of stories as history, when you challenge them of concrete eyewitness written accounts, they start calling on the works of archeologists and anthropologists for interpretations which are merely opinions of those individual experts.

Many yorubas are calling me winch because am saying the truth of Oduduwa the Oduduwa
They forgot they were the ones who were constantly pushing benin every time nearer to the truth, some even brought articles to our disposal
To read some even told the truth to our face

Igbosmoker:
I think most nigerian language will go extinct sooner or later even the big 2 igbos and yorubas.

News words are discovered everyday and since the tribes aren't updating their language and vocabulary people won't use them.

I bet no one can tell me the word for physics or biochemistry in yoruba and igbo language.

In the next 200 years, most southern language will only be remembered in textbooks

Yea, thats my fear


English should be a second language
Untill the extinction is glaring before government start taking extreme measures....

BabaRamota1980:
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You have not left your witchery behind. Look at how many threads you created...all pointing to same theme. You have lost it.
Bloody whinch!

Wow, because we edos failed to give up our religion for the religion of the whiteman nigerians begin to tag us witch..... Lol

Nevertheless am just saying the truth

davidnazee:
Have you read the autobiography of Olaudah Equiano? He is the first Igbo man to read and write in the 17th century. He was a former slave who after gaining his freedom got an education and was one of the first people to start the abolition of slavery.
In his book he wrote that he was born in Essaka which is around Anambra and that his place was part of Benin Kingdom and they were ruled by the Oba of Benin.

Quote the book.....

It will be nice to read

We benin have no connection with ife TAO11
Give up u have tried for the yorubas i swear

All this ife -benin connections are political downplay

I will explain further in a new thread tomorrow

I hope my life is secured for exposing all this truth make the all the kings nor come find me ooh

TAO11:
that boy has been made to see hell.

Anyways, to expose all Bini liars as I always love to do:
The Ife - Benin relationship has been documented in European writtings since as early as the 1500s and the 1600s.

Reference:
Dmitri M. Bondarenko: "Advent of the Second (Oba) Dynasty: Another Assessment of a Benin History Key Point", History in Africa, Vol. 30, Cambridge University Press, (2003), p.71.

That was a poor work you cited very poor

European comfirmed the second dynasty link to ife.......

Mad oo


How did the Europeans confirm it, was it through writing or through looking or through trading


The author didnt quote any European text and quote as reference
It is left for you TAO11 to bring the European document attaining to this article


Very poor work.....

Lol..... I just pity tao we benins don give am assignment.....
Just like telling your enemies to go fetch water for u with a basket

Getsmart2:
He claims:



Is it so hard for you to ask him to produce the texts ?

This is getting to a new level of stupidity, he is claiming these texts exists and his proof is that someone else lakes that claim !

I just don't get why you can't even ask him to produce the texts. What exactly is your reply ?

I have not yet given any not today

AreaFada2:
It's a big problem o. Because even modern Benin kids do not learn Benin Language, non Benin born and bred in Benin will speak their language but cannot speak Benin.

Oba Ewuare is pushing for Benin Language to be compulsory in schools. It officially is compulsory now. Hope it's done properly.
In the past I met Igbo and other tribes born and raised in Benin who all speak Benin like native language.
With more cultural and historical awareness of parents, it will get better. Art is really a good medium. Music, Bennywood films, etc.

That won't help at all teaching benin as a subject

Extreme measure will have to take place for our language to be brought back i mean extremw measures


1) all news station should be read in benin

2) schools should be created around village and towns which completely teaches in benin language in all subjects

3 revial of our local music, instead of promoting English music

4) benin movies should be made cheap for people to afford


I guess no one will die if this measures are carried out.......

If the bini language die just watch how the others will follow
How can we interprete our history.....


Our oba is just sitting there doing nothing to help
The logo of the benin royalty on his car is boldly written in english

samuk:
Okay, I get it, you are saying that Onitsha people are mid Westerners who migrated into Anambra state and keep a low profile when the real indigines are gathered and their Obi will never break kola when some Ezes are present and Zik and his grandmother didn't know what they were saying when they claimed to have come from Benin.

Who can argue with a man of knowledge like you that is more smarter, cleverer and knowledgeable than Zik and his grandmother put together.

Case closed then, we can all go and rest now.

I think he saw my map and read my post

TAO11:
that boy has been mad to see hell.

Anyways, to expose all Bini liars as I always love to do:

The Ife - Benin relationship has been put into European writtings since as early as the 1500s and the 1600s.

Reference:
Dmitri M. Bondarenko: "Advent of the Second (Oba) Dynasty: Another Assessment of a Benin History Key Point", History in Africa, Vol. 30, Cambridge University Press, (2003), p.71.

Is that why you went on oblivion

Benin will be great again

Lol,

You retard

IDENNAA:
Bini had no days of week before the whites arrived and this much was documented. I cant find the link....Your historians know this.

Not trying to brag , but Nri know the days of the days, months and years.

Find it am waiting.....

You have to prove your point because if not they will be regarded as mere claims

This trend started as far back as egharevba era were egharevba dedicated a book he wrote on how benins were losing thier language even in the oba palace, that the chiefs would be speaking English in their e meeting......he constantly emphasize on the need for benins to keep thier language, today things had even gone worse benin parents now teaching thier children pidgin as thier first language and English as thier second language,benin parent now see the bini language as a language for the poor and iliterate for a time i felt it was a trend in the entire edo state
Until i began schooling in edo-north i saw one year old children speaking thier native tongue i was amazed this was not just peculiar to edo north alone but also in edo central areas
I felt so ashamed for we benins
Because even the English our parents want us to speak we cant speak it correctly, even you manage to you cant teach english in a foreign country because of Racial stereotyping
Then what is the essence of our parents forcing English on we the children
Many benin youth i meet around really wants to speak thier language but they cant because they were never taught at home

I believe bini language should be the language in the house and English the language in the school

"A day will come a benin person won't be identified by thier name alone anymore but by the benin language and when one cant speak it he will be regarded as a stranger who took upon a benin name to claim benin"

If a Latino can teach thier children Spanish in America then we can teach our children benin in benin city
Cc
Samuk
Davidnazee
Ghostwon
Nobody
AreaFada2


Amazevbo Omwan Tawiri

IDENNAA:
If you were any smarter than I thought then I would have you know that Bini once used the ancient Igbo days of week before they created one after the arrival of the whites. Uhrobo , Igala etc also practice some ideas they learned from the Igbo yet we knew better not to base that on common ancestry. Before who share bother exchange ideas but that is never a pointer to shared ancestry.

Have you ever wondering why in spite of all the story about Onicha Bini ancestry nobody has ever presented facts ? Its because they don't exist. Onicha has no single factor we could use to verify the purported Bini ancestry. The eben could be borrowed, so was the Iyasele title , Esogba etc but these were very dismissive materials holds no weight for scrutiny.

In Anambra , we have a variant of Agbogidi, Ogalagidi of Aguleri. I told you Bini is very young. You actually borrowed many things from Nri. Many traditional rulers in SE carries eben. Not a big deal....Bini were not the first to make swords

Lol, i heard this before from an igbo guy but i ignored him


I just want to say something we have islamic calender, roman calender
If the igbo introduced this calender to us in the early nigeria

How did we know eken day( the days reserved for the spirit) in Olds, how we know when to celebrate igue during every end if the year


Benins in ancient times always had thier market days and i dont think it was something particularly to igbo or benins alone but every west africa tribe.......

Because nollywood made it know doesn't change the fact that it is indigenous to the world


If you go to ghana and say shit like this them go comot your teeth

IDENNAA:
Holler when you can present facts that proves Zik was correct.

They are two possibilsm of the origin of eze chima


1. He was a migrant from an already established mornachy from the delta igbo region
2). A few benin migrant who crossed the niger and established the mornachy and were later assimilated by the indigenous language


Number is mostly likely to be possible the closest state to onitsha is delta state not just ddlta state delta igbo, it was the delta igbos from delta state that crossed to establish onitsha in the east that why them mornachy retain the edo tradition and mainted the igbo name eze chima the world Onicha can also be found in the east


I dont know why our igbos brothers are fighting reality here


We can't change the past, we only accept it and learn from it

Osagyefo98:
Lol

Yoruba go use logic finish benin.



So finally Edos are yorubas.
Cc
greyboy.

See how angry an author was towards edo people for altering thier history to inhabit ife which was never there....
The truth is benin-ife never existed it was a political struggle for power amongst the traditional rulers in the former western region
Everyone forged thier imaginary story of Oduduwa who never existed, the edo formed thiers too but unlucky for them they were strangers among the yoruba community
Luck ran out of the oba of benin because he was
More of a bigger opponent against the other yoruba monarchs, they ganged up against him and supported the ooni who awolowo elevated
The edo became marginalize same as the people in delta , the yorubas elevated the olu of itsekiri in delta state because itsekiri are seen as yorubas
Edo and delta later pulled out successfully awolowo had resisted the pulling out

Uptill today the fight is still on alafin saying ooni is a servant of Oduduwa, ooni saying alafin is a son but the fight against the yorubas are silent
Because the oba of benin is the biggest treat to the ooni and the entire yoruba.....
So the tussle to claim benin history to yoruba is what is thier angenda if they can do thst all benin history will mean nothing to them but the glory will be going to the yorubas, when benin says we conquered lagos they will say benins are yorubas na, it will now belike yorubas conquered yorubas nothing there.....

Even if benin oneday accept to be yorubas which they are not, they will be relegate to as third behind alafin, if the oba of benin is made second as the cooked up story described the alafin will protest and truth will fly out, the truth is oba of benin and ooni wants to be first alafin don't mi d remaining second but not third



Mind you Oduduwa if he had truly existed was just a random guy who was just a priest Oduduwa was not the progenitor of yoruba race because he existed 900yrs ago


The yorubas know the real story of Oduduwa edo just joined in for political aim


Mhen Oduduwa stuff was a political play......


I will explain bettwr in my book

valirex:
I plan on creating a medium to store all this information for the future generations. I am glad to know there are more Binis deep in history like me, at home here they all think am crazy with how much I read our people's history. Thanks

Lol, no matter how deep you're, you can never deeper than some people
While doing your research also go to the palace to ask questions you should also learn to remove myth from truth


Oduduwa history were all made up i wont blame the oba tho, if he had succeeded we all will be basking in enjoyment...

An author who was so angry benin altered thier history for political gains when you keep reading and reaserching you come across so many