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TAO11:
Gosh!!! No "street light" c'mon.

It was Dapper that said all those nonsense that you all get excited about and which your edo websites regurgitated into your heads.

Guys, it's time for you all to stary living in the real-world.

Olfert Dapper never left his home country of Netherlands till he left this world.

What a pity!?

.

Nonsense

All i see is hate


I see you have so studied benin historian and even thier historians that you now know who never left his home


You know i dont adore mere claims you have to go further to covince me on this if not you need slap


TAO11 you have a benin pyscho syndrome i was the first to notice it before my other colleagues bagan to also see it too,


We conqured lagos nigga wont agree you will twist it twist it so the conquering we now be looking like just a migration

This is what obsession causes you need rehabilitation my friend

As soon as you notice no connection btw benin and ife you bagan to pant, you began to also disagree there must be a connection

Pyschological obsession

TAO11:
Thank God you just admitted to have lied when you once boldly suggested that Benin is older than Ife.

I'm glad you just ate it back that there is no such result from Benin.

Moreover, the earlier an establishment of a group of people, the more the productive capacity of the group as compared to new comers.

Having said that, the dating result from Ife to at least 4th century BC specifically mentions that "many settlements" were already established in Ife at the time.

So, now remove the village picture that clogged your mind about Ife at that early date, and stamp it on Benin at that early date. Good boy!


Now regarding your merry-go-round imaginations, name me one fairy tale civilization and functioning society in Benin at any date (with evidence oo --- not audio like your lie about Guinness World Records ), that has not being achieved by Ife centuries before.

Let's go!

Anyone how you spin it, Benin is baby. I'm waiting!!

Did you forget benin had street light around the palace ans inner towns at night

babtoundey:
A four-letter word is what you are, sir. FOOL. Privileged fool. because there were instances of recorded war between Igala, Nupe and Benin, then Benin must have come originated from either of them .Tell us, which of the two conquered you, foist on you Oranmiyan, Eweka, Oba, iyaaba, Ogun, ailala Olokun and co? Nupe or Igala?

Nigga are you aware we came in contact with other yorubas, ooh i get it must be ife

Seriously how do you even ascertain those worship there are not indigenous to benins and that yorubas did the borrowing

Imagine owo prince used to come to oba palace to prepare for kingship

Nigga stop quoting those gods like they are yorubas untill you can prove them to me

British conquered nigeria and they introduced thier religion, benin conquered yorubas and they introduced thier religion


Guy keep finding the relationship between benin and ife

I will advice you to stop living in the past were oral accounts were manipulated for gains many historians both in the past and present discredit benin and ife relationship

If you need an article different from ryder tell me

TAO11:
Except that Ughoton is in the Southern part of Benin.

To be strict --- it's in fact a little bit south-West of Benin.

I have an idea: Let's see map below.

Blame yourself for lying. You will learn the hard way.

cc: babtoundey googi

Ok southern part of benin...

So what changed


Benin-ife go kill you

babtoundey:
Wether Awo, Zik or whoever you may think of pronounced the unification of the Yoruba, Yoruba have always been who they are. We are the Yoruba's we might not have been United by common names or acronym in the past, we have we are United by variety of values, culture, norms and customs. We are Yorubas, the children of "kaaro oojiire", we are people of common language, culture, identity, history origin and arts. We all know, feel, believe and admit Ife is our source. We know who we are. We have definite, generally acceptable and provable source and identity.

We will not suffer the pain and ignominy your folks are suffering at down of twentieth century in searching for who you truly are, we will never call our fathers and their ancestors liars and betrayers like you are doing now and our children shall be proud of their history connection them to their cradle so they will have no cause to spit with fury at our graves.

Keep on calling your fathers who are sincere in telling you who you and and not who you ought to be. If you succeed (no doubt you won't) your children and their children's children will spit on your face for telling them Eweka and his father's came from Kebbi/Nupe/Igala

Ekaladeran was banished to ughoton eastern part of benin and yes proves are still there till today ritual right are still carried out there till today the story initially didnt involve ife get it to your head

babtoundey:
Wether Awo, Zik or whoever you may think of pronounced the unification of the Yoruba, Yoruba have always been who they are. We are the Yoruba's we might not have been United by common names or acronym in the past, we have we are United by variety of values, culture, norms and customs. We are Yorubas, the children of "kaaro oojiire", we are people of common language, culture, identity, history origin and arts. We all know, feel, believe and admit Ife is our source. We know who we are. We have definite, generally acceptable and provable source and identity.

We will not suffer the pain and ignominy your folks are suffering at down of twentieth century in searching for who you truly are, we will never call our fathers and their ancestors liars and betrayers like you are doing now and our children shall be proud of their history connection them to their cradle so they will have no cause to spit with fury at our graves.

Keep on calling your fathers who are sincere in telling you who you and and not who you ought to be. If you succeed (no doubt you won't) your children and their children's children will spit on your face for telling them Eweka and his father's came from Kebbi/Nupe/Igala

See mumu bunch of confused fellow that even the nupe you're making gest of raped and bleeped your ancestors


Yea they are proven connections between benin, nupe, igala before fulanization took over, they were wars btw benin and igala the nupe art techniques is similar with that of the benins art and not ife
We found the cross ryder mentioned on nupe antiquities

Yes egharevba wote on benin igala-nupe migration i guess it was silent because of the presence of islam in those areas
Although decades had gone by the silencing it, we the new generation got a hold of it again
Because the truth cant always be hidden
I would swallow my pride and say we were original nupenians than live in denial that we migrated from ife


If you can prove to me benin came from ife i will leave this thread

Bit if you cant you are a fool, a big fool for that

If you mention me without giving me proves you will call for more insult

You mentioned yorubas had thesame cultural practices and similar language but what is similar between benin and yoruba you keep attaching us to

Go and tell the original history of Oduduwa and leave benin alone we are out of western region and we are not playing the politics again

TAO11:
Hahaha: see another cop-out.

So that the picture can continously scream I am 1060 ... I am 1060 ... I am 1060 ?? ??

He initially claimed no such dating of an Ife art work exist.

But as soon as the link (to the thread where the journal was attached) was provided.

The music changed to ... oya let me see the picture of the artwork.

Anyways, if an academic peer-reviewed journal article published in The Journal of African History publishes the dating of some Ife artefact going back to the year c.1060 we know it's so.

We sane and stable people don't have any reason to trust gregyboy and forsake scholars.

And we don't wait for pictures to talk. That sounds to me like some imagination of fiction.

See reference one more time to the journal article that published the result:

D. Calvocoressi & Nicholas David: "A New Survey of Radiocarbon and Thermoluminescence Dates for West Africa", The Journal of African History, Vol. 20, No. 1 (1979), p. 18.

See also link to the specific comment where you were flogged and where I attached the relevant page of the journal article:

https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/5#81612380

Nice article now were is the image of the 1060 artwork seriously i need to see it, atleast its an artwork it must have an image

We cant just believe it because it is coming from a foreigner that would be inferiority complex on our part

I can bring mine dating from 14c

samuk:
Without even knowing it, you are terribly in love with Benin.

When the Benins revealed that they were exploring Benin relationship with the Niger Benue confluence area, you immediately reminded them that Ife used to be in that area, you even stated that there is a town there called Ife.

You unwittingly claimed that the Yorubas came from the same area.

I said wow, this babe is ready to move her almighty Ife in Osun state to Kogi state in other to show that the Ife the Benin are looking for was in Kogi. She is out to claim Benin for Ife by fire by force.

You can only see the pain in Babaramota's reply when he read that the Benin are questioning the Benin/Ife relationship.

Metaphysical hasn't been himself since and TAO11 is ready to move her Ife to anywhere the Benin looks.

The Yoruba love and obsession with Benin is something else.

I swear

TAO11:
Just like ghostwon doubted if you have a brain ?? ??

Buhaha

Just like your colleagues are stylishly calling you a liar and you keep pushing it on us

The funny thing is me and ghostwon agrees on thesame thing

But you and your brothers dont, not to divide the attention they remain silent on your lies maybe in the private they will call you to order

TAO11:


It's not even BENIN-kebbi. It's BiRnin-Kebbi.

They have no basis for anything they say.

I damaged them beyond any repair.

Thanks for your immense contributions too.

You are like a lizard that after climbing a short tree when he jumbs down he begins nodding his head to sing praises of himself since no one would praise him


No benin or even your fellow yoruba brothers praises himself like you do

How do you know you have flogged us, how do you know we are crying pathetic looser


Always attaching thier yoruba history to benin to make it sweet

No relationship btw benin and ife untill you wanna prove otherwise


You see no one is literally arguing on this thread again on Oduduwa or ekaladeran we have past that and it will continue to be so in the new threads coming

And i will be glad we were the first people to actually doubt the validity of benin-ife relationship

TAO11:
Thank God you admitted my first 2 points by keeping shut and quiet on them in this reply of yours.

In other words, you admitted to have lied earlier on about your Benin kingdom having earlier historical writtings that the Yorubas.



Anyways, the 3rd one (about artwork) that you didn't concede here because of shame, you have already conceded it elsewhere that Ife artworks were at least 300 years earlier than the Binis.

I flogged you on that thread with facts until you ran for dear life. I am attaching the link to this comment her now.

Another shame loading for Benin Kingdom.

I will stop flogging them, ONLY if they stop lying; but it's looking like I won't stop flogging them anytime soon.


Modified:

Below is the link where I flogged you almost to death (till you managed to run away).

I demonstrated (while you adtimitted by running away) with results of thermoluminiscence dating that some of the earliest known Ife artworks date to the year c.1060.

While the earliest known that Benin can and has ever produced (which you also produced) was dated by the same thermoluminiscence dating to somewhere in the 1300s.

https://www.nairaland.com/5314103/benins-first-educated-nigerians-dr/5#81635807



I just disgraced you again as always.



A Quick and Simple Advice for the Binis:

If you kNOW that what you are typing is a lie (or you're not sure), just stop!

Because if you continue, and the comment gets to the public here, be sure that TAO11 will disgrace you.


Peace.

cc: nisai MetaPhysical

Lets see the ife artwork that date 1060....

TAO11:
There is no way you look at it, Yoruba always had documentations before Benin:

(1) Whether you look at it from the angle of indigenous documentations from the Yorubas and from the Binis, Yoruba was earlier.

Egharevba:- didn't begin writing until in the 1930s
vs.
Crowther, Lijadu, and Johnson :- all documenting in the 1800s.

(2) Whether you look at it from the angle of documentation by foreign travellers' on Yoruba and on Benin, Yoruba was still earlier.

João d'Aveiros on Ubinu kingdom :- late 1400s

Ibn Battûta on the Ife country:- early/mid 1300s

(3) Even if you regard artworks as documents, lol, the Yorubas' was still earlier.

The earliest known Ife artworks were at least 300 years earlier than the earliest known of the Binis.


Lobatan!

cc: nisai MetaPhysical

Another lie

I showed you a beni artwork dating 1300Ad
14century same as yoruba earliest artwork

And i also gave reasons why ife art happened to have dated earlier to 12c because archeologist found it hard to get the exact date because of much impurites from the terracota heads which were made of sand and as a result mpurites in the artwork could dotter its dating

So the artworks are usually represented 12-14c
As estimate

Owo terracotta heads that is similar to ife terracotta with less impurites dates 14c and not 12c like they ascribed to ife

If we are to go by this analogy terracota heads were all made in the 14c and not 12


Cc davidnazee
Samuk

MetaPhysical:
Babaraaaaaamoooota!!
Oko dudu oko pupa
Oko borokini elepon mefa!

You don dissapear, we no see you again.

The nok story is not to be told to inferiors.. Its a guarded story among Yorubas. It tells of greatness of Oduduwa and his exploits.

Shut up

You know edo people here are smart and they wouldn't buy mere tales not from the one coming from the people who didn't have any form of recording untill 100yrs ago

You know as soon as you post it, we will start detecting the lies and potholes in the story

Try it out

TAO11:
Shut up and go have your 20th round of wa@nking for the day.

Wanking your smelly pussy while he covers his nose

Spit

davidnazee:
See as you want to hang yourselves over Edo matter lol.
Ife an empire my foot.. goan sleep u stupid native doctor.

Lol, you wan use laff kill me ooh native doctor hahaha

TAO11:
Oh I didn't see this earlier.

The condition is:

If they stop lying.

But you and I know that's impossible unless there wont be any Nairaland thread/comment from Binis about Beni kingdom.

The funny thing is you guys are telling your stories like you guys had any form of documentation at all

babtoundey:
Lol. BENIN BINI-Kebbi. Both name actually sound alike. So, why they trace their origin back to BINI-Kebbi is understandable

It's a pity they just know their authentic source. For years their ancestors have been feeding them on lies and misleading account of who they are. Now they know better than the present and past historians of the palace. They know their source and they are ready to match to the Oba palace and call the ancient ones bloody liars.

Who get wood for eye dey tell person say shit dey e dye....

Nonsense

What state are you from?

Thankgod for awolowo who united you all under the imaginary Oduduwa to save your village the stress of humiliation when asked thier origin

I bet your ancestors won't agree they came from ife but as we now know, every yoruba migrated directly from ife, the ife that historian carried out some archeological evidence on, and they found out ife was just a 19c settlement and owo palace is the oldest among all yoruba palace


So shut up and go and research were you are from

googi:
A RECONSIDERATION OF THE IFE-BENIN RELATIONSHIP
Author:
Ryder, F.C.
Date published:
1965

Source:
Journal of African History Vol.6,no.1,1965,pp25-37
Subject:
BENIN
ODUDUA KINGSHIP
BENIN'S CHIEFS
Abstract:
The traditions now current among the Edo of Nigeria trace the origin of the Benin dynasty and the associated cire-perdue technique of brass-casting to Ife.

There is no beni- ife relationship

And i wont argue any further on that with you untill you prove to me there was really a benin - ife relationship

All accounts disagree to it

The only thing that could get close to the relationship of benin and ife was orun oba ado which has been disproven from the name alone

Ekaladeran, Oduduwa were politcal myth created in the former western region by the western region kings for supiority battle

Another article which carried survey on this three areas oyo, benin, ife, it came out with the result that oyo was even older than benin, benin was way older than ife and that ife settlement probably emerged in the late 19c



This are historians who really dont work on tales but rather archeological evidence

All trace benin and ife never had any connections

There was never oromiyan in benin except you want to prove it with archeological evidence and not mere oral stories

googi:
Gregyboy,

Why did you cut off the Ryder page: with the conquest by Fulani, Beni became absorbed into what?

Here it is,
Portuguese had heard records from the Arab merchant before thier sail to africa the arabs had told the western world of a kingdom named beny in Southern nupe With the description that fit benin city , Portuguese after seeing the benin people felt they have seeing the beny the arab mentioned in thier account

TAO11:
As expected, lies ... more lies ... and more dvmb lies.

He hasn't grown still.

May be 2 more years

This one pain am

TAO11:
Nobody should listen to this my Edo slave oo.

He has earned the curse of all the Obas of Benin already for calling them fools because their views agree with mine.

So, you all should not be surprised that his speech is incoherent, neither does his attachments ever match what he says.

Portuguese documents mentioned a ruler who is like God to the Binis. The Binis told the Portuguese that his name was Oghene or Ogane.


See what historians say today about this Oghene or Ogane in the attachment below:

Leave that to the audience

No relationship between benin and ife

Moneywomen17:
what “audience” my guy. And if anybody buy that shit u are selling irrespective of tribe, they are indeed gullible.

Gullible in what sense

Racial gullibility?

TAO11:
Na so I read am oo.

Lemme call the boy who said it.

For more Benin jokes just text lies to gregyboy.

Now we know ife-benin is myth and TAO11 and goggi are unable to prove me wrong


Portuguese never mentioned benin ife relationship but records of benin soldiers on eko and other yoruba environs was mentioned including oyo and none on ife , Because it was just a fabrication

You all should laff at the joke egharevba formed o ile binu to benin... Seriously

The Portuguese would have gone for a simpler word like edo since its easier to pronounce instead of corrupting ile binu

Our neighbors never knew us as benins but rather a corrupt version of edo so why was the Portuguese different did you both ask yourself
The why, i bet no

This will occur if the Portuguese had originally invented the name to identify us due to the initially language barrier like i have explained on my previous comment

See the attachments below

davidnazee:
Well one thing I agree on is that myths shouldn’t be used to argue history because myths always turn out to be false.. unlike TAO11 that backs up his/her argument using myths as evidence.
History will say one thing and TAO11 will say another.

I don’t argue about Benin myths or use it as evidence in my argument because I don’t believe in myths, I prefer reality on ground to make my assessment.

If u say Oduduwa is from Oke Ora, I have read article against that idea and it says Oke Ora wasn’t even in existence during the time of Oduduwa. and the Oke Ora story even says oduduwa descended on a chain from Oke Ora down to Ife. Is Oke Ora in the sky or mountainous area?

Calm down

TAO11 will soon call for your parents, because you're hiting him hard. i stayed off comment, to to read and gather relevant data that will aid my research, i can tell you for the past few days this thread havemade me read articles and do research have not done in a longtime
I got to read new history on benin people


Thanks for the bolded dont let him drag you into myth instead when, he put you on mythical stories drag him out of it with fact like you did on the bolded, i always use factual analysis for him and he seems not to like it because he gets stuck on his lies

TAO11 has read so many articles on benin and ife history, trust me i bet he loves arguing on benin and ife myth it never gets him bored but his promblem is he reads with tribalism, he is not ready to tell the truth even if he has come across it while reading

He once posted a link of an article to discredit my mention, i happened to read the whole article and i found out that he only copied a qoute of the writter, that favoured him not knowing that the writer happend to have being quoting peoples account on that particular issue which the writer happened to have later analyze and discredit in that same article


I have argued with this guy on several bases on benin and ife issue the only thing i see in this guy is, he has a psychological intriguing feeling that arouse him when it comes to this discussion
I will call it a benin - ife syndrome

Literally you are arguing with a physcho

He gives no valid points other than giving numerous reasons links upon links without even evaluating them before posting as long as it fit is narrative he post it,
He knows if he does that to me, i simply tag them mere claims "

I wanted to ask him how did he come up to the fact that Oduduwa came from oke ora is it because an article said so or he believed so

And you did hit him well with those bolded

Stop quoting him please stop,
Rather Quote the others not this beni ife physcho


The part that got me was the ogendengbe shit that they said ogendengbe was pleaded with gift by the oba of benin not to conquer benin

Am like wtf why not conquer benin then own the entire territory were it came from instead of taking few gift, and what was the gift oba gave him that he so cherished than conquering it


Please stop quoting him he is a physcho

The fastest way to push him off is not posting him links of articles to counter him instead the links of the articles he posted help him analyze it one by one he will then be force to go do furter research angrily or reply you with insult

Go call your parents "

Samuk

samuk:

Summary of the thread so far.

1. It was generally agreed by debaters that Benin did have some form of colonial expansion into eastern Yoruba land.

2. Benin presence in Lagos as far back as 1603 was agreed by all, no dispute.

3. Oduduwa origin was heavily disputed with various accounts.

A. Oyo accounts says Oduduwa was from either the sky or mecca and the current Ooni descents from the lineage of shrine keeper. Ref. Johnson.

B. Ife account says Oduduwa was a native of Ife

C. Benin accounts says Oduduwa was a banished Benin prince, Ekaladerhan.

4. It was generally agreed that the Yorubas have not always had one history. They were various tribes that used to fight themselves, sometimes with the help of Benin army and guns.

5. The Benin/Ife connection was called into questions especially considering Ife may be younger than Benin.

6. Benin relationship with Nupe/Igala was examined.

7. No evidence was found of Benin/Ife relationship in the first four hundred years of recorded Benin history.

8. No human bones found in Orun Oba Ado site in Ife after excavation.

9. Link to Guinness book of world records showing Benin Wall to be the largest man made structure on planet earth, four times great wall of China, many times the great pyramids of Egypt was presented.

10. Benin civil war was discussed.

11. Evidence provided of Alaafin paying tribute to Benin.

12. Evidence provided of Alaafin asking Oba of Benin for army to help suppressed rebels.

13. Owo princes used to be trained at the Oba of Benin palace before they were sent back to rule over Owo.

14. Owo artworks are closely related to Benin artworks

15. In the past, Edo/Akure, Edo nekue, people roused to very prominent positions in Benin including the Iyase of Benin, second position to the Oba of Benin.

15. Benin had different relationships with various Yoruba tribes.

16. Benin have a well documented history since 1400 AD mostly in European archives that can't be fabricated.

17 Thousands of Benin artworks adores world museums acting as great ambassadors of black civilisation.

18. Current Oba of Lagos revealed during the anniversary of the coronation of the current Oba of Benin that Benin chiefs were sent to Lagos to train/help him with the traditions before ascending the Lagos throne.

Nice work on the summary

Please i need the article on the oyo paying tribute to benin

MetaPhysical:
When Ogedengbe came to sack Benin why did Oba appease him and begged for peace?

Why didnt Benin face and fight him?


I have the record. Lie so I can upload it.

Hahahaha yoruba people sha very funny tribe


Wait o wat can a can probably use to appease a conqueror that he won’t have if he conquered the kings kingdom hahaha

What did oba of Benin appease ogendegbe with
17 virgins����, and if that was to be ogendegbe would have conquered Benin still and have the entire virgin lady to himself

The stupid ijesha man who lost is way while waging war with his Yoruba people mistakenly ventured into edo state unknowingly when report came to the oba ogendegbe was in edo north he immediately disparse a general from edo central who later overthrew him and his army back he never even got to edo central not to say benin

TAO11:
That part pain am.

"you ran away with your tiny d!ck" Hahahahahahahahahah

Spoilt mad woman

Mad ladies still get Hot

TAO11:
Ask your parents to call me, I will show them pictures of their Obas' skulls.

I know my comments are on google. And I am so so so so excited about it. That's the idea. So that I reach a wide range and variety of audience that all may know the truth about the suzerainty of Ife over Benin Kingdom.

Davidnazee stop quoting fhis idiot he his obviously retard.......


He dubunked a full article you brought to him with just insult and not even mere claims or fact


Sometimes i think you're a mad woman behind the keys

Sorry to say but sincerely speaking you look mad
From your typing

TAO11:
You're so bitter. Tell me why!!

If you tell me I will talk to the Igala/Nupe people to please accept you as their slave. Your application will be granted.


And the only reason why I've been requesting your parents (and not you) to talk to me is not to insult them.

I'm doing that only because Im sure you must be dvmber than them.

Mr wise who couldn't show photos from orun oba ado site despite your so much emphasis on it

Retarded bigot

All our comments are on goggle people out there are following up and taking note how foolish you are.....

Prove ife and benin connections you are busy citing authors

Fool

BabaRamota1980:
So you are the freak saying Benin is from Nupe and Igalah.

Are you not informed that the original Ife is not the Ife we have now, and that in the old Ife there was one nation and everyone else branched out from the common source as their origin?

So if you are from Igala Ife is not your mate. You are from a group who has claimed that they are cousins to Yoruba Ife.

Why do I need to care if you come from Yoruba or not?

The ones in Igalah you claim to come from say they have allegiance to Yoruba.

Look at how you guys have rubbished your history on internet. Very tragic!

So were do benin come from tell me( you will be a fool if you dont reply me a very big fool including your entire family if you dont reply)

What ever you choose you better give reasonable
Account that will be traceable not only on paper


Dont call your family a fool respond

TAO11:
If you let your parents call me, they will get pictures of your Obas skulls.

Your parents are fools to have you, you have dedicated your life on myth....

Only if you get laid by me for free



I see you're so excited on your coming from ban do you Know who moderator ban people that are mentally derail people like you

I have read through all your mentions and i see how aroused you are to stick on ife - benin relation even when your fellow brother debunk the relationship as a lie but you still insist, i saw how you manipulated your comment not to insult him

In the shortest word i fear women like you

I still need pictures from the orun oba ado heads
I need an article of European account of benin ife relationship at least datng 2000yrs ago
I need Ovaramwen account of ife-benin relationship

And lastly the name of your village and is original Oduduwa account

TAO11:
Your parents should speak on your behalf going forward.

You still haven't provided me pictures from the dugged remains from orun oba ado


You're killing yourself upon a political myth


I just pity your parents, if only they new your education was a waste