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Osagyefo98:
Lol

Yoruba go use logic finish benin.



So finally Edos are yorubas.
Cc
greyboy.

Nor mind them they are confused bigot

Oduduwa never existed it was created to unite the yoruba people

Nri was created to unite the igbo people unlucky for them the internet caught up with them....

Oduduwa myth came earlier


How would 40 million peole come out from one ancestory rubbish......

Even the hausas are mixed with fulani to attain thier populus number the hausas dont even have one ancestory within themselves, the igbos are also mixed with igalas to attain thier population

Oduduwa is a myth..... Period

Ctorch:
Setting Records Straight: Benin and Yoruba Historical wars(Battle of supremacy)


The first edition of this article was titled, “Yoruba and Benin Kingdom: The Missing Gap of History”, following the statement credited to Oba Ereduwa OmoN'oba Iku Opolopolo, that the Yoruba race originated from Benin Kingdom, though rich in details and calls for re-examination by historians of high repute from all the Nigerian universities and recognized institutions not from uneducated and bias sources of chambers or shrines of some Obas or traditional rulers as presently being envisaged or contemplated. The statement from Ooni of Ife disputing the fact of Oba of Benin was also strong enough, but more mythological and also capable of influencing some academic exercises. The statement from the two kings and the follow up from Oba of Lagos and host of others had generated lots of discussion worldwide but some questions still remain unanswered. The second publication was titled: “Ile Ife: The Final Resting Place of History”. In doing further research, I will now title my little contribution: "Yoruba and Benin Kingdom: Classical Historical 'War' of Supremacy."

Let us start our excursion to history with some indisputable records regarding the supremacy of Yoruba and by extension, Ile-Ife, over Benin Kingdom. I quote thus: "In 1916, when Aguobasimi was installed as Oba of Benin in place of his father who died in Calabar while on exile, and the royal messengers of the then Ooni of Ife - Oba Ademiluyi(aka Lawarikan), went to him after a series of earnest requests, they delivered Ooni's message thus: "YOUR FATHER GREETS YOU." (See Nigerian National Archives: Oyo Prof. 1, File 133, 24th May, 1916). And listen to this: "The place called "Orun-Oba-Ado Bini" is the site from where great Oranmiyan set out to found the Yoruba Dynasty in Benin, and it is to here that the heads of the Kings of Benin were brought for burial.
https://m.facebook.com/notes/segun-fadipe/yoruba-and-benin-kingdoms-classical-historical-war-of-supremacy/842440072451760/

Yoruba Kingdoms - Benin and Ife
In 1975 the Republic of Dahomey changed its name to the Republic of Benin, after the Bight of Benin ["Where few come out but many go in”], which in turn was named after the Benin Empire, a powerful entity that existed from 1440 to 1897 in what is today Nigeria. "Benin" is a Portuguese corruption of "Ubinu," the administrative center of the Empire, which is today called Benin City, capital of Edo State. Dahomey's rechristening in 1975 caused no end of confusion ever since, so to clarify things: Benin City (the historical Benin Empire) is approximately 250 miles east of Porto Novo, capital of the present-day Republic of Benin. The two entities have no historical connection whatsoever.

The Yoruba kingdoms of Benin and Ife sprang up between the 11th and 12th centuries. The present-day Benin monarch declared his ancestry from Oranmiyan through Ekaladerhan and direct to the Ogiso dynasty. The statement made by the Ooni of Ife debunked the Oba of Benin's declaration of the ancestry of Benin Kings, insisting that Benin was one of the kingdoms founded by Oduduwa who descended from heaven to Ile-Ife with four hundred deities.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/africa/yoruba.htm


Benin Kingdom in Edo is Yoruba territory — Ooni of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi

The Ooni of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi, on Tuesday said Benin Kingdom in Edo State remained part of the expansive Yoruba race, a pronouncement that may spark fresh rivalry and altercation between people of the two ancient kingdoms.

The monarch made the comment in reaction to a statement credited to the palace of the Oba of Benin challenging the claim by the Alake of Egbaland, Adedotun Gbadebo, that the Ooni of Ife remained the pre-eminent spiritual leader in Yorubaland and environs.

Oba Ogunwusi, via a statement by his Director of Media and Public Affairs, Moses Olafare, made available to PREMIUM TIMES, said he was not interested in any supremacy battle with anyone but that he would continue to put the records straight and avoid distortion of history from any quarters.

The monarch said going by historical evidence detailing the Oduduwa lineage, Benin Kingdom remained part and parcel of Oduduwa House.

“We in Oduduwa land have always seen and regarded our people in Benin kingdom as part and parcel of Oduduwa House. They are our brothers and sisters, coupled with historical facts to back up this position,” Ooni Ogunwusi said.

“The statement credited to the Alake of Egbaland, did not emanate from us but the reality is that as a highly experienced and well informed monarch, Kabiyesi Alake, who is a bonafide Oodua descendant is entitled to his opinion based on his knowledge and understanding of history,” the Ooni said.

“Let me emphasize for the umpteenth time that Kabiyesi Ooni is less concerned over any supremacy hullabaloo. He is only interest for now in how the sacred throne of Oduduwa can explore measures through which the collective interest and genuine unity among Yoruba and other tribes within the larger House of Oduduwa can be enhanced.

“This informed his resolve to build bridges of harmony among Yourba Obas. I am resolutely committed to how Yoruba ethnic group can restore its glory and pride of position among other ethnic inclinations in Nigeria and don’t want to be dragged into supremacy contest or join issues with anybody.”

The traditional ruler said he recalled that about six years ago, attempt was made by some people to upturn history during the launch of a book titled: I REMAIN SIR, YOUR OBEDIENT SERVANT, which he said stood historical facts on its head.

Oba Ogunwusi stated that If the position espoused by the Oba of Benin Palace in the media “is aimed at distancing our people in Benin from the South West and Yoruba, so be it.”

He however added, “We still identify with them as our kinsmen, regardless of the attempt to change the course of history.”

The Alake had, while hosting the Oba Ogunwusi in his palace on February 7, rated the Ooni as the number one monarch in Yorubaland and other territories considered part of the Oduduwa House.

In his rating, Oba Gbadebo said Oba Ogunwusi was number one of the five principal Obas in Yorubaland, followed by the Alaafin of Oyo, then by the Oba of Benin (in third position), the Alake of Egbaland (fourth) and the Awujale of Ijebuland (fifth).

But in a swift reaction on Tuesday, the Esogban of Benin and Odionwere of the Kingdom, David Edebiri, rejected the ranking, saying the Ooni of Ife was a son of the Oba of Benin and that the Oba of Benin stool has no relationship with the Yoruba race.

The Esogban said, “We wanted to discard this report as something that was not necessary at all. We do not see how the Alake of Egbaland suddenly woke up to think that the Oba of Benin is also a Yoruba Oba.

“There is no basis for such classification; Oba of Benin has nothing to do with the Yoruba Obas. It is simply unnecessary, unless they simply want to stir up an unnecessary controversy.

“We are not in Yorubaland. To be frank, it is because many of them are not willing to come up with the truth, the word Oba is alien to Yoruba monarchy; it is not part of their title from time immemorial.

“For instance, the one they call the Oba of Lagos, these are recent adaptations. In the 50s, there was no Oba of Lagos, what we had was the Eleko of Eko. That is the title of the King there. In Ibadan, you have the Olu Ibadan. You come to Abeokuta, you have the Alake of Egba land. You come to Oyo, you have the Alaafin of Oyo. In Ilesha, you have the Owa-Obokun of IIesha. So no Yoruba monarch had as part of his titles the word Oba except the Oba of Benin.

“That word Oba is indigenous to Benin. It is only in recent times you find everybody bearing Oba. When the Western Regional conference of traditional rulers took place in Benin City in 1942, go and check the attendance, there was no other monarch in the whole of the Western Region then that bore the title of Oba, except the Oba of Benin.

“So it is an unnecessary excursion, an unnecessary attempt to turn history upside down by the Alake by classifying the Oba of Benin as third in the hierarchy of kings.

“Our own traditional history says that the Ooni of Ife was a Benin Prince who wandered from here to Ife, settled there and became the ruler there. That is the position, if they don’t know, they should send people here; we will teach them.

“We will show them landmarks. So this is unnecessary misrepresentation of history. Maybe the Alake wanted to mention a different place and not Benin.

“The monarchical rulership in this part of the world started from Benin during the era of the Ogisos. It was the son of the last Ogiso, Owodo, that wandered from here to Ife and he became a ruler there, carrying everything about the Benin monarchical system to that place. There is no basis for such classification.

“The Ooni of Ife, by historical facts, is a son of the Oba of Benin, so they are not in the same class. The Oba of Benin is the only one that answers Oba, the rest don’t. But today, we hear Oba here and there, they are all recent adaptations. I am saying categorically that the word Oba is indigenous to Benin and not to Yoruba nation.”

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/198255-benin-kingdom-edo-yoruba-territory-ooni-ife-adeyeye-ogunwusi.html

Yoruba and Benin Kingdom: Ile Ife The Final Resting Place of History

Conclusion.



Alternatively, can we write off Alafin of Oyo from this discussion because his descendant failed to head the thrown at Ile Ife when Oranmiyan was called? No. Some will say since he was buried at Ife to symbolize his rights to the thrown or why did all his brothers fail to challenge his right to the Ife thrown if he indeed was the last born maybe, that part of history was right that Oranmiyan was the first born not the last as mentioned by Oba of Benin. They’re so many unanswered questions of history. The answer is not if we will offend ourselves or change the place of Edo’s or Yoruba in history but who we are and where we were coming from. It is often said that it is a taboo to bury a king in exile. Ile Ife from all indications and by having the heads of all the late kings of Benin and that of Oranmiyan himself buried at Ile Ife to this writer is the source of Edos and Yoruba and this fact must not be distorted with sentiments.

http://www.gamji.com/article4000/NEWS4738.htm

Lalasticlala

Oduduwa never existed stop living in mythology

valirex:
Can I have this PDF?

https://www.jstor.org/journal/jafricanhistory


https://www.jstor.org/journal/historyafrica

https://www.jstor.org/journal/jafricanhistory

https://www.jstor.org/journal/historyafrica

Follow this thread too

https://www.nairaland.com/5780479/not-arochukwu-kings-ogane-east


https://www.nairaland.com/5713629/main-reasons-yoruba-not-enlisted


Guy na research you won do so, the kind time when all this thread chop me... Ehnn

Just follow them up it will take u weeks sha but do everything about benin history are all here
So you wont be left behind

valirex:
Like you said it's hard, 40 pages is no joke. As Bini trying to learn our history I believe it only logical for you to point me to a particular post to make it easier for me if you can't answer it again

All pages are important, very important

Create time to read them, we ourselves can't point out a page all pages were full of information

valirex:
Bro I believe you are quoting the wrong person

Sorry

valirex:
You still haven't answered my question, I need your view of what I asked

If you called Azikiwe out for tribal bigoted purpose good but you guys should create a new thread to handle yourselves out
But not this one please

samuk:
There are more than enough on this thread to answer any questions you have. You just need to go back and read from the beginning. I know it's hard work but it will give you better understanding rather than repeating from the start what has already been explained.

This shouldn't be turned as an igbo vs edo thread
This thread contains much info to bring tribal bigotries all over it,

If you insist in it, take it to a new thread not this

Osagyefo98:
Not interfering in the historical paths just I decided to give you the name of the man that made Mid-west possible. Same man you guys hate so much.

I think by now he will be regretting his actions in his grave and should allowed you all to be in Western region and become fully yorubanised...at least by now you all will be full blown Yorubas.

Lol, the gods wouldn't have allowed it....... Lol

No edo people hate him.... We hate awolowo


Edos really dont have any issues with igbos except that instead of calling for the breakup of nigeria for only themselves they should include others too not as biafrans but as an independent state in thier own

Did you know the insult we poured on the yorubas for voting buhari.....

MetaPhysical:
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Full of crap i have already explained the word oba was borrowed by the yorubas from benin
Owo practices the benins art techniques would you now say we borrowed it from owo, the truth is through out history benins have always been an influencer over the yoruba areas,
Just dont come here and post trash the title oba is indigenous to the benins, we ruled and conquered yoruba territories our kings title oba grew popular over the yoruba areas,

Why would you be disputing this fact when i can count more than 10 benin descendants ruling as kings in yoruba land

Or would you say because kwara is having an emir, then the title emir came from the yorubas
If it is not a know fact emir is an islamic title, you and your cohorts will attributes it as an indigenous yoruba title[/s]

What does OMO mean in Edo language?

Guy you they Bleep up, even if i have to answer this it wont change anything,
I bent to make the truth know to everyone on this forum


You cant be countering my claims again with such questions the tables has changed the truth is out, accept it and keep shut

Or bring validable prove if there was any between ife and benin in the past


In the other thread you ran and left your brother TAO11 to defend for the yorubas, it was a pity on his part because he left With Shame to sort out more information for himself though he was defending on lies but he made a good effort

You should be ashamed you want to defend the yoruba history but you don't even know them yourself talkless of the benin history.....

While people are quoting scholars, articles and bring raw fact to explain realities you my friend
Will be asking foolish questions.....

You are always fond of whisking away.....


My advice to you is to go and read articles fron both your people and that of edos....
Because youre not only embrassing yourself alone but the entire yorubas too

It so painful that in the previous thread you didnt say upto 10 words in a thread of 45 pages, you kept on repeating one thing, you didnt even cite any articles to back your claims


It is not by force to defend your tribe but if you're doing it do it with good effort

If you so love benin history so much that you want to find all means to attach yorubas to it, you wont suceed, why not go make history for the yoruba people, democracy has given power to the majority than the minorites why not take that chance and make a better history instead of attaching. you guys are always fond off,
You yorubas will attach yourselves to the north for political power and attach yourself to the edos for historical gains.......

The edos are the most successful minority group in nigeria, and they are brazing higher to catch up the three big tribe if not for the population we don't have probably the three big tribe wouldn't have been a threat,

Osagyefo98:
Thanks to Nnamdi Azikiwe who made such pulling out possible. Give credit to the right person always.

Yea i really don't know, all thinks to him i knew the oba had to seek the help of different political leader of that time to aid him....


Yorubas have really wanted history more than we want to rule them......

It just sad that the monarchs wont openly tell us this stories openly it will look so embarrassing to them.....

valirex:
Lol I didn't mean it as an insult my brother, I meant it just the same way you meant it. I am reading the link you sent no place did they say or support what you said. Take a look do you think a people especially their king will subjugate himself under another people? During the coronation of the king he stated Oramiyan to be a king? We can't claim to know history more than him.



Am still waiting for a better explanation from you. I still don't get your point. Educate me on this, am curious.

The truth is the war he still been fought

No one would volunteer to say the truth it will be embarrassing to them

They are some yorubas supporting oba of benin because thier ancestory are from benin they are some against him and in support of ooni of ife because thier ancestory link to ife
While the othere are fighting for thier own interests eg alafin of oyo..
. The truth is benin would have win this political struggle but political power was not at his side
His stories was perfect

valirex:


Bro I can see your point you have totally changed and almost bursted my brain. It's like the history I have been learning have all suddenly become untrue to me. Pls can you explain better this history me I mean Prince Ekhaladeran history

Just know ekaladeran story initially ended at ughoton uptill today rituals are still been done at ughoton by the oba
The stories that says ekaladeran left ughoton to ife were all made up by oba of benin for political reasons
After the banishment of ekaladeran he wondered into the forest while he was wondering he came across different villages in benin were he fell inlove with one enogies daughters from a particular village who later begot eweka for him he later left ahead to establish ughoton village were he died some account says he went further north after establishing ughoton or he died before the arrival of the searching chiefs
But all we know was ekaladeran story ended at ughoton

Yea this is were the politcs began which most yorubas know and thats why they always accuse our oba of forging the ekaladeran stories in the early 60s

Oba Akenzua during the period when the edos were in the former western region wanted to be the topmost traditional leader in the western region not just him, was aiming for this position the ooni, alafin and several others, so he cooked up a story of ekaladeran escaping to ife after he left ughoton and so on as the story goes......
But luck ran out of him because he had no political power to establish his plans, awolowo later elevated the ooni
The oba and edos were constantly marginalize by the yorubas after his failed plan, he had to pull out of the western region.... But awolowo resisted. it took the grace of god that made it succeed......

Anyway sha follow the other thread

MelesZenawi:
Even Edo has more hausa fulani Indigenes.

Try to accept the blunt side of history.

Moreover it is secure putting it this way ( Oduduwa republic Including Edo, Urhobo , Itshekiri) to avoid conflict on Igbo biafra republic)..

Learn to reason like human.

Mad man
Oduduwa republic should include edo, are yoy thinking from your anus.....


Leave this thread you igbo bigot,

Your people are been kilked in china and south africa you cant comment on that

valirex:
I have been reading your comments and have noticed you have a curious mind to learn the truth and not just stories. In the case of this Edo, Itsekiri and probably Urhobo people will form a nation together. Nothing like Edo and Yoruba as one nation. Mind you it's not with land size that determines if a people will be allowed to form a nation. Read about Singapore

This guy is a drunkard

He speaks like a dictator

valirex:
Like you said my friend, " you are left to remain dogmatic is your choice "

Am not once believed the myth but now not anymore, but you, you never stopped believing on the old myth......


You're the one who is dogmatic

I expected you to quote me with the exception i gave you but instead you replied with insult, is this how you debate or are you afriad to question what you have learnt......


Anyway am still waiting......

valirex:
Nothing was distorted from the Bini side. Ekhaladeran was a prince and heir to the throne who was unlawfully sent to his death by the king's order because one of the queens changed the message of the priest b4 it got to the king. The King believing what got to him is the wish of God ordered the prince to be killed and the men sent to execute him made him swear never to return to Bini and mind you kings of Bini at this time were called Ogiso meaning king of the sky. So when Prince Ekhaladeran got to the present day Ife. The Yorubas needed a king and their priest told them a man will come from the bush and he should be king. On seeing him he was questioned where he came from and with the language barrier he had to use another means to communicate where he is from remember he is from the land of the sky kings (Ogiso) therefore he had to use hands to dramatize where he came from and it's only logical he use his hands to say he came from the sky. So there you have the Yoruba folklore of a man coming from the sky.

Lol, i just explained the politcs behind the myth you are left to remain dogmatic is your choice

Ekaladeran died at ughoton he never went to ife
Some folklore believed ekaladeran left ughoton to an unknown location before the arrival of the searching benin chiefs..... Were he had left to was unknown, this is what benins had mainted before the creation of nigeria, but during our stay in the western region ekaladeran story became edited for political gain.....

If only you will read my friend and think.....
https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained
Follow this thread...... Better things are more explained there.......

I will only believe you if you can give archeological evidence benin and ife had a connection before the creation of nigeria,

Or you can present a document as early as 10c upto 1800 proving benin had a connection with ife
I guess this wont be hard na, Europeans recorded all yoruba tribes we came in contact with i guess ife should be there just find it out for me
And i will pull down this thread

Simple

lx3as:
You need to rest a bit before turning to a comedian.. because intelligence is not hidden.

Have you taken time to find out origin of Itsekiri people before this childish thread?

They are yorubas, and they were our closest neighbors who came also in contact with the Europeans and were overlord by the benins too
If anyone is going to identify as ile ibinu is going to be them not the non existence Oduduwa of guy abi oromiyan

MetaPhysical:
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Oba is in Yorubaland. Your monarch is Omo Oba....a descendant of Oba!

Full of crap i have already explained the word oba was borrowed by the yorubas from benin
Owo practices the benins art techniques would you now say we borrowed it from owo, the truth is through out history benins have always been an influencer over the yoruba areas,
Just dont come here and post trash the title oba is indigenous to the benins, we ruled and conquered yoruba territories our kings title oba grew popular over the yoruba areas,

Why would you be disputing this fact when i can count more than 10 benin descendants ruling as kings in yoruba land

Or would you say because kwara is having an emir, then the title emir came from the yorubas
If it is not a know fact emir is an islamic title, you and your cohorts will attributes it as an indigenous yoruba title

sooperrescue:
The research that you are undertaking now is the same task that you should do to the Bible. The Europeans that brought the bible to us do not pay dowry before they marry, they do not circumcise, the promised land that they were telling us that Israelites were led to was a land that drinks rain from heaven. Egharevba said we came from Egypt and came to settle in our present location.The House of Jadah in the Bible is the same as Benin Kingdom. The next king is known on the day he is born while the house of Israel is like the other tribes in Nigeria like the Ooni, Emir and Sultan who are by selection. It is only Judah that has a house of the Lord but you hardly find out a place dedicated to God in Israel and other parts of Nigeria except idols. The red earth that we have in almost all houses in Benin was commanded in the bible. We were told to offer our sacrifices on the red earth. The token of virginity, the spirit of jealousy where a priest is commanded to give water with curses to a woman whose husband is suspecting her of going aside, the scapegoat, the inheritance of the first son of his father's house. All these and many more are in the Bible that the white man brought but they do not adhere to any of these laws. It is akin to the yorubas trying to rewrite our history but found out that the more they try, the whole thing points out their lies easily. The twelve tribes of Israel, two tribes stayed beyond the river. Gad and Rueben and the others crossed the river. The Ibos are those who stayed beyond the river. Rueben is the ancestor of the Ibos and Gad too. In the land of the Ibos,they still recognise those who are from Gad there but the truth is that the curse of Jacob is still on them and it is evident that though they have strength and are industrious, they can never excel. The racism in Ibo land is higher than that of the White America and the Blacks. Anambra people looks down on other States as not worthy to intermarry with them. The Nubians,( the South Sudan) are almost similar to Jos and Taraba people. The babylonians destroyed the King"s house and the temple in the Bible and carted away precious artefacts and the same thing happened in Benin where they burnt the house of God and destroyed the palace and carted away many artefacts that are visible in almost all the countries in the world today.

You could just say we came from God or we migrated from god,
I work on fact and not claims
Egharevba wrote 36 book there about, all the 33
Books were saying different things, egharevba was influenced to write, he was never a researcher he wrote out of necessity and influence
Godluck!! sourcing benin history from far away
All my findings are all in nigeria here

I will prefer you telling me the whiteman or the Israelite migrated from benin afterall life started from africa........



Even if you want to trace benin to the jews or the Bible, you start tracing it, from the nearest location of those people and from those people to the next people you dont just accelerate to a far-away location and skip the closest surroundings, migration is a step by step process there are no longchain migration....

Even If you want to trace benin to isreal, you dont start from isreal, you begin your tracing from the closet neighbor to the benins in nigeria then to benin repulic, and so on

This is why we were fooled initially by benin-ife political myth because we failed to think for ourselves

I advice you drop that benin migration from isreal, rather say isreal migrated from benin better

sooperrescue:
I am impressed. I am even on the other thread right now. The origin of the Binis will take you to the Bible where you will see that our traditions and culture are in the Bible. The first one is the altar of earth that is erected to offer sacrifice, the second is circumcision, and the most powerful one is the promise land that drinks the rains from heaven. It is not like the irrigated garden but drink the rain from heaven. When Palestine jews were boasting about growing things in the desert by irrigation, it showed that it was not the promised land that the Lord spied on.
More grace to you for this important task that you have undertaken. I share in your zeal. Koyo

Tracing our origin to the bible or European would be ridiculous....
As far as i can connect we migrated not too far from the niger benue region
We have to do a carefull studies of those areas

The Bible is foreign element, even the benins rejected it at is first arrival

Most historian are continuously doubting the benin-ife link....
And it has hindered possible research on benin history as it is always distorting further researches.....from scholars


It happened that the benin-ife Oduduwa history was written for political gain nothing like that ever happened it all started in the old western region Were the different kings were cooking up stories of Oduduwa in order to elevate thier status as the topmost king in the western region
The oba of benin happened to have joined in this Oduduwa story after the creation of western region

See articles
Afc ryder, reconsideration of the relationship between benin and ife

JOURNAL ARTICLE
Traditions, Documents, and the Ife-Benin Relationship
John K. Thornton

For further research

A screenshot of john k. Thornton conclusions of benin-ife relationships as hoax

sooperrescue:
Please, lahor, go ahead with your research. I am very interested to know more about us. Along the way, any assistance that is needed will be provided. I have been curious to know why the first Oba will come from ife if we don't have any relationship with ife? I have not been oppurtuned to read Oba Erediauwa's book, your obedient servant and if you know where I can get a copy, do let me know. I will also suggest this book, Benin, city of blood, written by one of the British invasion personnel. I have not seen it anywhere except on Amazon. God will give you the strength to unravel the truth.

If you have time follow this thread many things have been said there, this is just an offshoot threads of that very thread
Save time to follow it.....
https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained

And this too

https://www.nairaland.com/5713629/main-reasons-yoruba-not-enlisted


Benin history was amended in the early 1900 to future ife relationship with benin,
Oba Akenzua did so in the former western region so that he could be elevated as the topmost ruler amongst the yoruba kings, he sided with egharevba the benin first historian to rewrite the original ekaladeran story of benin, he also took side with alafin of oyo to rewrite Oduduwa history so that the ooni will be disposed, the alafin of oyo later told the British the ooni was just a servant to Oduduwa that he himself was the original heir to Oduduwa, the alafin had his own agenda to also be the topmost ruler in the western region he later slyed the oba of benin, when he saw both of thier plans wouldn't work against the ooni of ife, mind you the oba of benin initially and no historical ties with Oduduwa he only came into the political game after the creation of westeen region so he wasn't accepted as yoruba, everything backfired against him even egharevba was forced by ibadan printing press to edit the cooked up story about Oduduwa to favour it to ife, egharevba needed to proceed in his acedemic career after the edited publication by egharevba he got famous and he was given admission to study for his phd in university of ibadan, he had written that benins migrated from ife and postulated the orun oba ado stories were oba heads were carried to be buried in ife, he forgot benin history was documented by many European historians
Despite the oba of benin failed plans the marginalization by the yoruba people increased, he had to request for the pulling out of the western region, awolowo rejected it, it took the help of him and other top politicians that made it possible if not benins would have been fully yorubanise by now


Here is a foreign author who wrote about the relationship between benin and ife in his conclusions he found out that there was no inital connection between both ife and benin that if there was any connections it possibly sprang up in the creation of nigeria,and that the Portuguese never recorded any form of relationship between both party during thier 600years visiting benin

This is just one of the authors who totally disagree on the benin and ife connection

You have to do your own research

My next research would be on the origin of benin were we binis migrated from, after that i can rwrite an article on benin history

babtoundey:
This guy is a clown. You raised a claim. Someone requires validation and your flare back at the person, telling him to provide evidence for so, so, and so.

Anyways, I believe you, since it is your granddad that told you so. Isn't that enough evidence. Let's assume the rest of us start referencing our father and fathers' father as the source of our history, what do you will become of history? There is a clear difference between history and story. You cherish the latter and loathe the former.

Before 1900, the benins had always maintained ekaladeran escape to ughoton, were he left to an unknown place before the arrival of the benin chiefs who came to take back eweka,
There is no need to emphasize on my grandfather tales, maybe i should show a pdf my grandfather didn't right
IJTP: http://escipub.com/international-journal-of-trade-and-policy/ 4

Fig. 1: Map of Benin Kingdom in the 19th Century showing the location of Ughoton.
Source: A.F.C. Ryder, Benin and the Europeans (London: Longman, 1969)

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://escipub.com/Articles/IJTP/IJTP-2018-09-0501&ved=2ahUKEwjfo6zg3_ToAhUWSBUIHTgnAQYQFjAMegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw2J4x2eUB8zzJzN_EcRDOIy


There is no need dwelling in the political myth our obas created, if only you will read and do your research with a pure heart you will see beyond the lies......

Most of you yorubas knows the truth it was a fellow yoruba on the other thread who brought most of the truth to light

https://www.nairaland.com/5761595/benin-kingdom-edo-state-remained

Go back to our previous thread if you forgot so soon it was your brother's who exposed the game behind the politics

nsiba:
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Plz treat malaria parasite ASAP

As expected, from people who peddle lies as truth,
You wouldn't bring evidence but bring insult

nsiba:
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As told by his father, whose father told him too and father father father.....Omo u go fear fear

Do you have any archeological evidence to backup Oduduwa benin history or benin - relationships with ife not later than 1800 to make it easier......

If you keep on insulting me without giving proves to debunk my claims am sorry your insult wouldn't go anywere....

It just happened that the oba of benin and the Y[b]orubas kings[/b] not oba, are playing a political war with this Oduduwa myth, this myth had been in existence amongst the yorubas rulers before the creation of western region, benin coming into the western region was force to identify and have thier own Oduduwa myth just like the other yoruba kings did, the alafin had identify himself as a true Oduduwa son and the ooni as a priest, the muslim yorubas had identify Oduduwa as coming from mecca, the oba if benin had identified Oduduwa as ekaladeran who was banished in the benin old story, this were all done for political superiority.. The oba of benin who was subsequently marginalized by the other
Rulers as not a true yoruba,
The edo had later pulled from the western region This didnt stop the political myth among the oba of benin and the other yoruba rulers,
This new political myth couldn't be checked among the benin people who would have questioned the sudden change of the benin story of ekaladeran to ife and not ughoton as initially was suppose to be... The oba of benin had sovereignty over historian who wanted to write benin history before publication, by that way the truth was not left out uptill date....

This is the politics behind the benin Oduduwa myth, this is not to say there is also no politics behind Oduduwa story amongst the yoruba rulers, if Oduduwa truely exist then it is only indigenous to only the yorubas and is only them that can fiquare out the myth behind Oduduwa existence

googi:
Gregyboy, you dey try.

Never knew you are also a comedian.

You should bring validable prove and not lament

Tbasicme:
References pls

If you can reference me anywere in European account were they recorded benin and ife had contact over thier 600years trading in benin

If you have any archeological record to replace documented account fine that will be nice


There is a need now to retrace our true history that was altered in the former western all in a bid to yorubanise everyone

Tbasicme:
References pls

Dont worry after my publication i will cite you the referencing

I didn't read this comment of yours because I generally refrain from reading most of your comments. Indeed when I hand over five corrections to someone and he keeps on with the same mistake, I give up on that person because time is precious, life is precious.

1) if you can substantiate your claims of me being a tribalist, I would appreciate.
2) you need to know the meaning of the word myth: you asking me to prove something is a myth goes counter logics.
And you must understand how any intelligent mind would be frustrated with such demands.

3) A myth is a story which is not substantiated. So the problem is that you hear a story and have no scrutiny over it, you look not for proof of the story, but when someone comes along and tells you it is a myth (meaning a mere story with no proof) you ask that person to provide proof.
So you want me to prove that there is no proof rather than asking those spreading the story to provide proof ?

4) I have explained all these in more details several times in nairaland and I specifically told you and others to look at my posts, even my different monikers ( prolog2 is one of them). I am not s machine with infinite time to waste. Of course I get hangry when some expect me to repeat myself again and again and again. I am a person, not a machine.

5) the one thing which always puzzled me is the fact so many Nigerians don't understand the very concept of myth or history:

Look at the oduduwa story for example. When is it supposed to have taken place ?
Indeed the first record of Benin empire was in the 14th or 15th century when people who could write visited Benin empire and wrote about it. They met an empire led by the Oba if Benin. Therefor if there were ever any oduduwa, then he would have existed before the 14th or 15th century. And no written text by any person who claims to have seen him exists !

Therefor, won't you ask yourself where the so precised story being being said about him comes from ? These guys are telling a story which supposedly happened several hundred years ago with no eye witness account and they are telling it as if they were there and they saw it. Can you tell me what happened in your wife's room last week when you were not around ? Yet they want to magically tell what happened several hundred years ago with no document written by eyewitnesses ?

6) Benin Empire has actual history, douments written by eyewitnesses which span several hundred years and non of that ever mentioned ife or oduduwa as stated by Samuk or davidnaze.
All these I have said several times on nairaland, and they seem so obvious to me that I actually find it hard and physically painful to discuss them any further.

I came back just to make this comment and the name ghost1day is to say "ghost back for one day"

Good bye.

Wow you are nobody too
You have indeed have done alot defending the benin history and i never knew your numerous account tho, i guess the truth will be outspoken from hence forth continuously

But sir why the numerous account

Are you the one benind obaOvaramwen account

If you are indeeed behind this popular numerous account then we are very few defending the benins history here in nairaland

I found out the Portuguese could have been the one who name benin ubinu when asked by the itsekiri to describe the benins

davidnazee:
About the Benin-Ife connection, Ryder wasn’t the only scholar that have argued against it. Other scholars have published research work against that connection ever existing.
Most suggests that if there was a connection it probably happened long after the Benin Kingdom and the present dynasty had been established.

Yea i have given three different scholars who faulted the benin-ife connection and of the scholars was so angry with the benins for attempting to rewrite thier history for some gains
And this was a foreign scholar who saw there was a catch for such dubious act by the benins to link ife to benin

TAO11 and his colleagues hate me for this because am more of the person drawing the attention of noconnection more, tao11 mostly use this anger and vent tantrum on me while he is mentioning me

My threads hence forth will be on the validity of ife benin connections
I guess the truth weren't available to the populace early because of lack of having acess to materials like the works of ryders and other scholars now internet has made things easier

In my first thread with TAO11 i had introduced him to the need to cite works of scholars and the need to do research and use virtual analysis for interpretation and they hated me for it, the only person who could keep up was TAO11, thats why in every of our thread they are always full of scholars citation

Tao11 you want to bring ife to light through false history never not when benin is always attached to such account ......

We thankgod benins are not just educational exposed but also internationally exposed, if it was other minor tribe you all would have succeeded without sweat
we will never leave without a fight not even from the most deadliest rival if our forefathers wouldn't run from guns blazing, then we the
New generations we won't run from mere
Words....

Never!!! the more you try the more we expose the lies and the more people hate yorubas for that single reasons

TAO11 you amaze me the most, due to the fact you're a female and your act of desperation to rewrite yoruba undocumented history

Forgodsake scholars are yet to find the location of yufi it is still a debate around different areas, nupe, ife, Zimbabwe but you TAO11 hijacked it and concluded his ife how desperate you can be

Just bcus someone told you ife was never recorded in history you brought a counter claim
That is yet to be fully proven if a nupe was on this thread it will be an hot debate....


AGAIN benin-ife never had a connection

Am still waiting for someone to disprove me