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OgboAto:
This is unclear, care to reword? Thank you.

There really isn't more to share on it. Let us just say that it was Oyo that said Oduduwa descended with a chain & again migrated from the East.

This East has been taken to be Mecca by Oyo Muslims; Sudan by Prof. Biobaku; Egypt by some old fellow with degree in Theology; & lastly, Igodomigodo/Ughoton by the Bini.

All of these Mecca, Sudan, Egypt & Igodomigodo/Ughoton claims were attempts to hijack the East migration tradition. Now what I think I just need to share with you is that this tradition of origin is not Ife's record of the origins of Osin Ora [Oduduwa] and that your people & king wrote a story to respond to a false narrative from Oyo.

Why has anyone not written this fact down here on nairaland to inform people on the Oduduwa myth instead of living the lives TAO11 to argie his lungs out
While our kings are playing politics on this myth the commoners are fighting an unknown endless battle for them......

I tried searching proves on the benin-story before the 19c and i found nothing, if ekaladeran was a big story to the benins like they say when the Portuguese questioned thier origin they would have simply told them, but no account of such was ever recorded
This led me to doubt the benin ife link as a political bait


You should create a thread addressing all this i bet the yorubas are more equipped on this info than any edo

So please share this info out so the people will know and our kings will be forced to telk the truth

samuk:
Now you know, but the palace doesn't want to hear about it.

This thread has gone silent


Were is TAO11 i bet should will never forgive herself the truth came out i just so pity her now who will she argue all this myth of a research she has done,

I always told her not just to post links or references but she should analyze the info on the references before pasting it here, but she wouldn't listen

samuk:
Most people propagating this stories know the truth.

Did you read Silversniper post above, even Egharevba knew about the Nupe/Igala/Benin relationship but it was suppressed/not mentioned in the earlier edition of his book.

The Palace benefits from the Benin/Ife narrative because it put them in a very good position anyway you look at it.

There is nothing new research is going to find today that the palace is not already aware of.

Don't forget that Egharevba was also a palace chief.

Hmm the common man is fed with scrap of the elite if only we can remove this ife-benin relationship aside we can really find our true history as benin

I got to find out that even

The ekaladeran and ogiso story was a myth in ancient benin told to explain the emerge of the benin monarchy

The ogiso and ekaladeran stories are myth in benin to explain the benin history

The benin should do proper research on the benin migration from the Niger river

The benue people also eat pounde yam as thier delicacy more research should be done on this area i believe thats were the Oghene came from
The artwork that had the tribal mark was probably from around the niger area

samuk:
Let me give you the political angle to the history and try to understand the politics involved.

Like religion, history could also be used as a political too to control the people.

If you understand the politics involved, the current fabrication may be difficult to change.

In the future the Oba of Benin will be the Oba of all Obas and he already has legitimacy because of the Ife/Oduduwa connections they are teaching everyone now.

The Yoruba Obas are too weak to compete with the Benin throne for superiority.

The Ooni and Alaafin are just paper weight Obas.

That's what Rome did with christianity by making Rome the headquarters of christendom and the Pope the most senior Christian on earth even though christianity didn't start in Rome.

Rome was a pagan nation with nothing to do with christianity, they even persecuted early Christians.

Though Benin have lost the empire but will retain the seniority amongst all Obas/monarchs in the southern/middle belt Nigeria.

Benin is already the spiritual headquarter for those various tribes tracing their roots back to Benin.

Tell me any monarch that is as debated as much as the Oba of Benin in Nigeria, not even the Sultan of Sokoto or Emir of Kano get that much mention.

Show me how many threads here on nairaland debating them.

You only hear about Ooni and Alaafin in debates because of Benin. If you take Benin out of their debates, it becomes boring.

But Benin history doesn't need anyone else to be interesting.

Only very few Yoruba are able to think at this level

That guy got the gist and the reason he is not happy.

The other Yoruba guys here are not very clever.

I hope you are following the history from the political angle.

It's all about power play.

So the Palace knows what they are doing by keep repeating the history the way they do.

The truth may be that the Oba of Benin, Ooni and Alaafin are not even related at all. That is the reason none of them agree on who the mythical Oduduwa is.

Oduduwa himself may not have existed at all.

But the Ife and Oyo made a very big mistake by presenting Oduduwa as a foreigner or spirit from the sky rather than actual human.

It's only when Benin put a human face to him by linking him to their banished prince Ekaladerhan, they realised their mistake.

But it's too late now for them to come back and tell us Oduduwa was born in Ife. They will have to burn almost all their history books and discredits all their historical sources and historians.

As it stands, the Benin version of Oduduwa is the most plausible.

The other versions are laughable because nobody will believe Oduduwa climbed down from the sky and no record of him being in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.

Hope you get the gist now.

You can relax and begin to pursue your girlfriend.

She won't be able to swallow the fact that the ife and benin beef was a myth she wont let go never she will keep sitting egharevba tales and keep getting wet on it


I think benin is not winning this one not when nigeria is still together the yorubas will always back the ooni of ife against the Oduduwa myth
Benin happend to be the newset stranger among the myth

Benin side of ife story was a clap down, it was the best but trabalism from the yorubas prevailed over it

Lets just tell the real stories behind all this shit
So there will be no need for the upcomings arguing on some made up shit

I guess there was never ekaladeran
And there was never Oduduwa
Ghostwon had said thos earlier it came out to be the truth oba of benin had told the story of ekaladeran for his political aspirations
In the former western region

Ife all this was a myth

The title oba was always benin indigenous

The name beny was originally given by the Portuguese
The gods in benin some were borrowed and some original

BabaRamota1980:
When i read somethings online makes me want to reach in and give upper cut.

Edo are the most backward and confused ethnic group in Nigeria. You are confused. Honestly, utterly confused.

Who the fvk wrote that nonsense that Benin is from Nupe and Igalah? Abeg raise your hand if na you.

The only thing you Edo are good at is witchery and selling pussy. Thats it.

Benin from Nupe! Are you high or what?

Young man were do you think we are from yoruba

I hope you have been following the thread and you now know edo was mever part of Oduduwa but only jumped into the story for political reasons

samuk:
Good luck on the laying aspect.

They are just using the Benins to unite themselves.

You can see the pain in that guys writeup.

There is so much anger and confusion within the Yoruba Obas.

We are even helping them by saying Benin/Ife relationship is fabrication.

The Oba of Benin that wrote Benin into Ife history played a fast political move on them.

You just have to understand the politics involved.

The Alaafin and Ooni can not reconcile their history of Oduduwa.

Ooni is the so called supreme head but it's the Alaafin that appoints chief for all Yoruba land like the title given to Gani Adams recently.

The Ooni and Alaafin will always fight themselves because their seats are appointed by politicians and they can be dethroned.

The only secured monarchy representing Oduduwa is Oba of Benin.

Those that really understand this are not happy.

Ooni and Alaafin that you see in all parties can hardly make the Yorubas monarchy sacred.

Erediawa already told the old Ooni that he is their royal father.

It was a very clever move by the Benin, let the idiots that doesn't understand the political calculations keep on arguing.

How weak do you think their Obas will be in the next fifty years. They are already very weak.

The Oba of Lagos don't even have any respect for the Ooni but calls oba of Benin his father.

When Erediawa went to visit the Ooni before the last one, the Ooni offered Erediawa his chair/throne and sat in another chair.

The benin should withdrawal themselves from this mess they kept themselves

We are out of western region the truth need to be told to us

samuk:
You are still repeating this nonsense after your bobble has been busted.

Which Oduduwa was Oghene.

Please learn Yoruba history and politics from your superior below, then come back when you fully understand.

They and their ex-king are not a very smart people.
Their entire history is based on the need to provide an alternative - by this I mean the need to provide what they consider a realistic account grounded on the physical which they assume would be much more widely acceptable to the public as opposed to the Oyo account of Mecca & Sky chain descent.

I call it a Oyo account because it was propagated by Oyo for the need to project the Oduduwa sharing properties and allotting lands to Oranmiyan in order to project Alaafin's fraudulent claim of 'King of Yoruba' title started during the Ekitiparapo wars, a time when Ife were without an Ooni, exiled to Oke Igbo & Isoya and with their town completely razed to the ground.

These Bini & their revisionist king forgot that every Yoruba town has its homegrown or say nationalistic tales of the origins of Yoruba/Oduduwa meant to project their throne in a certain light. They & their revisionist king forgot the Oyo account is not Yoruba nation's account but they want it to be so badly to make their Ekalederhen concoction stick.

Oduduwa - Odu to du iwa -[the powerful man that contested leadership] also known as Osin Ora was an indigenous Ejigbomekun ma who did not only divide the town into two by carving out Ife & leaving the rest of the town under Obatala. He was eventually murdered, his reign was extremely short & as opposed to Oyo story of his sons [largely his followers rather than sons] trooping out from Ita Ijero, were actually expelled and the town re-integrated & leadership continued in the order of succession as it was before Oduduwa who could not wait for his quarter's turn carried out a coup. This was the reason oranmiyan came back fighting wars to reinstate whatever with guns blazing.

To sustain pan-Yoruba unity & not ruin the story within which certain kings such as Owa Ilesa & most of these Yoruba Oba Alade have claimed relevance & rights is why Ife has been mostly quiet about these nonsenses. Ife knows what kings have links with Ife & what compound or quarters they belong. To make everyone happy, Ife accommodates conjectural shxt & wild claims from all quarters.

I hope soon we will put this ife and benin beef to rest

And i can get to lay the stinky pussy of TAO11 after this

googi:
You must be a very unhappy man going on every thread denying your Yoruba conqueror from food, gods, culture to Oba.

What is your Yoruba name?

If you do not have one, you don't belong to the Royal House. It is all the proof you need.

Prove sicko prove

Mraphel:
Oba Akenzua of Benin has the the same title as (Omo'noba) but you claimed started from Ereduwa right?

I told its a sentence and i gave you the meaning of it, akenzua started that sentence

Ovaramwen was called nogbisi


So go fucking edit that stuff before you mislead other people

samuk:
In this sort of debate, just knowing your history is not enough, you also need to know and understand your opponent history and politics.

That is why I referred to Silversniper contribution as a breath of fresh air, he just didn't know Benin history alone but also Yoruba history and politics, that's why he was able to counter them from both ends.

From his submission, I learned that Alaafin told the British that they used to pay tributes to Benin, the Yorubas historian Johnson wrote that Ooni is from the descendants of shrine keeper, that Benin used to supply guns to Yoruba to kill themselves and Alaafin once beg oba of Benin for troops to help in Oyo war with it's other Yoruba tribes.

Now this guy I was responding to just disclosed that Oduduwa planned a coup to take over a position that was not his.

That the people that call themselves Oduduwa princes were actually his followers that were chased out of Ife after Oduduwa died.

Oranmiyan came back to fight his Ife people with guns blazing.

Some Yoruba obas that are claiming Ife princes are fake.

All these information are very useful.

These are the sort of information the other Yoruba guys hide and be using the Benin supremacy arguments to unite themselves.

Meanwhile the Alaafin and Ife don't even agree on the origin of Oduduwa.

So, next time they tell you of how they are superior to you, you tell them to go and first sort out their history.

Always learn to expand your arguments, don't narrow it down to one particular aspect.

The reason, the Yorubas are one is because of Nigeria, if Nigeria should divide tomorrow, their wars will start all over again.

Wait was there gun during oromiyan and oduduwa time


Politics have hidden our true history

The kparakpo war lives so many hidden secrets untold by benin and yorubas

The truth is the commoners will always leave in shadow

I need more info on this samuk

Mraphel:
Was an Oba, his title is Deji of Akure

All the kings in all the Yoruba land are Obas their title is d difference.
Oba of Ife...(title Ooni)
Oba of Akure (Deji
Oba of Oyo (Alafin)
Oba of Benin (Omonoba)
Oba of lagos (Eleko)


Etc

Lol, hahahahaha


He calls omonoba a title lol lol this yorubas ehnn

It is a setence not a title or name it is omonoba nedo ukwakolopolo (the son of the oba the giant one) this sentence was made recently to sing praise to the oba it started from oba Erediawa


Oba originally remains the benin title


Instead of you commenting follow the thread while we uncover the ife benin myth


Since you feel lazy to do your research and choose to speak on myth

OgboAto:
Because like your king & you, they also want to arrogate supremacy to themselves through Oranmiyan.

Tell me more on this shit please

Again why did first arguing in the favour of benin and ife myth

Mraphel:
Stop being emotional about it. Fact speak for itself. And it's an Oba rulling benin Kingdom till today..isn't that fact enough.

If you can't admit the Ogiso family history of Benin, Oba of Benin coronation speech and you ignore the Yoruba accounts on Benin then you cannot be helped

They are all political myth

Coined in the former western region

googi:
This Ogiso guys have been beaten to stupor.

No need wasting time trying to convince them. They know the real history, all they are doing now is Rope-A-Dope trying to resurrect this in another thread next week.

Who did not know the history of Benin and Ife from primary school when history was taught.

All of us were fooled in primary school by the former western region revisionist it was a tustle between all top class king to be the chairman of the former western traditional king

If only you can do your research you will wakeup from the old political myth dont be lazy do your research question your doubt and come back to edit this your comment

Probz:
Only they didn’t. We simply share ogiri in common because we share the same ancestral root. Simple as that. People who aren’t well-versed enough on either side shouldn’t be on this thread.

Nigga please am offended

samuk:
You may be right, that's why we are now re-examining the whole story because it doesn't sound right and doesn't add up.

Unlike some Yoruba people here, we are ready to research and find the truth no matter where it leads.

The current history of Benin/Ife and Yoruba smells of politics and supremacy tussles.

That to us is not history. People deserve to know their history rather than fabrications and playing politics with it.

I smell conspiracy between Benin and Oyo monarchy against Ife.

All they need to say is Ooni is a descendant of a shrine keeper as recorded by the great Yoruba historian Johnson.

Oba of Benin becomes the most acknowledged senior son of Oranmiyan and Alaafin his junior brother. Or Ooni and Alaafin continue to fight themselves whilst Benin stays senior.

The way it stands, Oyo, Ife and Benin don't agree on who Oduduwa was. They all have their own versions which makes the own history ridiculous.

Some say Oduduwa is

1. Benin banished prince
2. He was from Mecca
3. Climbed down from sky with chains
4. Son of Ham that was driven out of Saudi Arabia

We can all come together to find the truth rather than see it as fight between Benin and Yoruba.

We believe the Benin/Ife connection as it currently stands is a fabrication.

Am sorry i misread you i really am

Mhen politics is deep even in tradition

Nawa ooh see people who were arguing ife&benin connections a while ago are now telling the real story


A thread should be created to adress this political myth on nairaland abeg


Hmm nawa ooh

This was just for the tussle for chairmen of traditional rulers in the former western region, oba akenzua played politics on edo history

ghostwon

We need your contributions

samuk:
Not at all, did you read the guys initial submission, he is saying the same thing as the Benin that Benin/Ife history is fake. Did you not see where he said the Benin are trying to arrogate supremacy to themselves through Oranmiyan.

I am just adding my support to his voice.

Did you not see where I repeated it to be fake in my reply to him.

The guy is not happy with the fabrication himself

Please, when you read next time, be more careful to understand what is being said.

Is he yoruba


I guess people can see this Oduduwa myth was a political story set up by former wester regional kings, you mentioned account were yoy said akenzua went to visit ooni in thier discussion ooni took it personally

I just Ryder articles were he explained he visited and interviewed the benin monarchy in the early 1900 and even the people in benin that kept oba record couldn't explain Oduduwa story the other plalace chiefs including the oba of benin were giving numerous account, the problem was not even egharevba at all because he seeked the benin monarchy before he wrote


Here are the possibilities

Ekaladeran- ughoton story might be a myth too
Benin-ife never happened
Oghene was a priest from d middle belt
Oba is indigenous to benin
Benin was given by Portuguese
Both yoruba and benin exchanged gods so no one can lay claim to its originality



Sorry i responded that way to your mention mhen
Am just angry hearing any inch of the political myth

samuk:
You may be right, that's why we are now re-examining the whole story because it doesn't sound right and doesn't add up.

Unlike some Yoruba people here, we are ready to research and find the truth no matter where it leads.

The current history of Benin/Ife and Yoruba smells of politics and supremacy tussles.

That to us is not history. People deserve to know their history rather than fabrications and playing politics with it.

I smell conspiracy between Benin and Oyo monarchy against Ife.

All they need to say is Ooni is a descendant of a shrine keeper as recorded by the great Yoruba historian Johnson.

Oba of Benin becomes the most acknowledged senior son of Oranmiyan and Alaafin his junior brother. Or Ooni and Alaafin continue to fight themselves whilst Benin stays senior.

The way it stands, Oyo, Ife and Benin don't agree on who Oduduwa was. They all have their own versions which makes the own history ridiculous.

Some say Oduduwa is

1. Benin banished prince
2. He was from Mecca
3. Climbed down from sky with chains
4. Son of Ham that was driven out of Saudi Arabia

We can all come together to find the truth rather than see it as fight between Benin and Yoruba.

We believe the Benin/Ife connection as it currently stands is a fabrication.

The truth you still believe this crap

Go and do your research because what you're actually doing is what our so called benin mornachs did by playing history with politics

For the benin monarch to have a sense of belonging in the old western region they adopted the yoruba mythology of Oduduwa into a ekaladeran story


And you're also doing thesame shame on you

Shame on the benin monarch they were all possed by minority syndrome

Oduduwa myth was only meant for the yorubas, benins entered the myth thinking they will play a smart game and tell the story thier way to become senioe but fortunately they were relegated to even third


And you're doing thesame

Mraphel:
look at how you carefully removed the Oba Oranmiyan from you story.
Without Oranmiyan there wont be Eweka. Oba Oranmiyan is the first Oba of Benin check the list from 1 to 40.

Guy stop quoting with this nonsense


I told you on how to defend your claims on benin ife relationship... Dont come hete to give me mytg and tell me you are defending your claims

The Portuguese had asked benin in 1500 the origin of thier dynatsy they didn't mention ife or oromiyan or if ife was a big part of benin history it would have been the first thing the Portuguese would have noticed even without the benin telkinf them


Am even beginning to believe both party are lieing fhat ekaladeran and oduduwa never existed i am currently doing my research

You should be doing yours instead of quoting erronous works feom people


Guy dont quote me with such works again it will never raise an inch from my eyebrow bring fact and not scrap

This is the problem with nigeria students they fear to do research and relearn am questioning the authenticity of this story from both angle you are loading me with more bs

Or shutup

Mraphel:
I'm 100% certain you're not a Benin person

Because am not telling fairytale

Am not sure your ancestors trace thier origin to ife

Mraphel:
Benin can never conquer Ife kingdom or Oyo kingdom, they only installed king in Yoruba region that doesn't have Kings.

Oba is never igodomigodo title it is a Yoruba title..Ogimien ( Ogiso family will tell u that)

You dont even know ogiemen history so shut it


Ogiemen the last ogiso brother had ruled before the return of eweka, when eweka arrived he didnt give up the stool untill they fought eweka didnt win but ogiemen had to vacate the stool because edo didn't want him but eweka, it was just anoda story of uncle and his niece fighting for royal stool, today his family are twisting story to suit them so that it will look like oba came from ife
And it will be giving them upper hand in the story


Every nation had once changed the title of its ruler at one time in history ogiso title was changed but no his lineage,
Nigeria changed from prime minster to president
Did the nation that bore President around the world come to rule Nigeria before it charged
Yes or no......?


But i want to give you a doubt to prove oba originated from ife

In the meeting of all traditional rulers in nigeria
In 1939 only the benin king bore oba the yoruba kings bore thier title and no yoruba revolted to add oba to theirs


Nigga i will advice stop telling fairytale i use to tell it too but i stoped you can too

The only relationship we should be arguing on is the one with the eastee yorubas lagos, ekiti, ondo oyo and not inaginary ife the distance is too far it will take series of generational migration before ekaladeran children would have taken to migrate to ife

Mraphel:
I guess you're still igodomigodo? The ogiso descendants are there in Benin alive and well, go meet with them for the real historical accounts of Benin

No fucking yoruba gave us benin


Benin was given the name by Portuguese who had mistaken edo people for birni kebbi in ibn bututta account

Not the imaginary ubinu

Mraphel:
Oba Oranmiyan(Yoruba) stole your glory from the hands of Ogiso. He's son Oba Eweka still Yoruba are the real binis.

Ogiso kings were bannished by Oba Oranmiyan in his surjorn in Benin. He replaced it with Oba a yoruba kingship title.


Oduduwa never came from Ife to be king in Igodomigodo...Oranmiyan did, and he was the first Oba.
All other Obas are Omonoba translated to son of the Obas.

Oga shut up


This is a nice movie script

Mraphel:
Benin doesn't have relationship with Oduduwa, they had relationships with the great grandson of Oduduwa that's Oranmiyan that later became the first Oba of Benin..not Ogiso of igodomigodo now.

Benin don't have connections with Oduduwa but oromiyan how possible

Oga stop misleading people stop it there was never connection with you guys

It was benin and other yorubas and not fucking ife

You guys are adding benin to ife story to steal oue glory and to glorify yours it only succeeded while we were in former western region

You should get it we have left western region long time ago that myth doesnt hold sway anymore

Every yoruba is connected to Oduduwa not benin

Samuk
Davidnazee

gomojam:

And this how it started from ijebu to benin

Ijebu finally sorcorn to the nonsense


Thanks to oba akenzua who pulled us out of western region awolowo a full that he was wanted all means to have us there

Thank god he died out of rat poison

I wished a benin man or an igbo man killed him

samuk:
Looks like your girlfriend has thrown in the towel and run away.

I swaer she too lie and her pussy stinks i told her to go watch it with agbo and hotwater

samuk:
Have seen this extract from Ryder also pointed to the North rather than Ife.

A Reconsideration of the Ife-Benin Relationship1
A. F. C. Ryder
DOI: https://doi.org/10.1017/S0021853700005314
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 22 January 2009
Extract
The traditions now current among the Edo of Nigeria trace the origin of the Benin dynasty and the associated cire-perdue technique of brass-casting to Ife. Some of the information recorded by European visitors to Benin since the fifteenth century is not easily reconcilable with this tradition. [/b]Material evidence, especially that contained in the Benin bronzes, and the results of archaeological investigation have also raised difficulties. It is suggested that many conflicts in the evidence could be resolved by adopting a hypothesis which would ascribe a more northerly origin to the dynasty. [b]The Nupe-Igala area straddling the confluence of the Niger and Benue emerges as the key area in such a reconstruction of Benin dynastic affiliations. The Yoruba States would seem to be related to the same general complex, but the chronology and direction of dynastic movements still remain obscure, and the seemingly fixed points of reference become far less certain when placed in context.

More research to our elbow....

If we can prove were oghene comes from we can prove how benin originated from

Egharevba never got all this materials available to him, he wouldn't have bother himself compromising benin history

samuk:
Gregyboy,

I submitted before that the Oghene would have been situated in the region of old Benin empire that call their God Oghene.

There is a Benin researcher that traces Uhe to the area of etsako in the mountainous area of Edo north.

The Portuguese used thier form of interpretation on distance to give d locations which has bedn transcribed to modern locations and it centres around nupe, igala we cant trace them again because islam had destroyed thier culture

babtoundey:
I should accept the truth which is the truth because your grandad says it's the truth and your own presumption asserts it the truth.

Cheers to your new found Confusion.

Chhers to your old myth who refused to accept the painful truth


Am giving you the bait to prove d validity of ife benin connections

samuk:
Do you mind this clown. Well, some of us are here to entertain ourselves.

If the Benin had told the Portuguese about any Oghene, that Oghene would have been situated amongst the Edoid people that use that name for their God.

Benin would have referred to Ooni by his correct Yoruba name and title because they refer to other Yoruba gods and Oracle such as Oranmila by their Yoruba names.

They didn't invent Edo words or names for these Yoruba gods and Oracles.

They yoruba people are trying to replace owo connections with ife so as to have a form of supiority over edo

Benin had connections with various yorubas such as, ekiti, ondo and even oyo

Benin had connections with oyo on several bases
While protecting its territory against oyo expansion into ondo which was settled through war and benin always came out victorious

Thier aim is if they can hold on to the myth benin - ife connection then every benin glory wilk be indirectly accorded to them sine they believe Oduduwa established benin monarchy


I have told a yoruba guy on this thread to prove benin ife connection he has since ran away unable to prove it

darfay:
Are you going to pretend that you don't know oghene means supreme God in some edoid languages?

How can a benin ex convict izobuwa be a supreme God?

That reminds me

Oghene means god in estako

Oghene means god in urohobo


Oghene, ohen means priest in benin a very high priest