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babtoundey:
What are you even saying! So the Igala Benin war erodes the possibility of Benin/Ife relationship. Can you clarify the relationship between Igala and Benin beyond the story of Inkpi (Benin/ Igala war) and how such story proves the known Ife/Benin connection untrue.

See, like I told you, the in onus is on you to provide evidence. You are the one disproving an established claim. So you disprove very aspect of it with your own fact; and not the kind of "my grandfather said" or Igala Benin war that doesn't clarify where you you found Eweka and how Oranmiyan was never a part in the conversion of Ogiso dynasty to the present day oba system in Benin.

Oromiyan story was fake and was invented by egharevba there was never oromiyan but only
Ekaladeran and eweka, ekaladeran escaped to ughoton a Nickname for uhe and not ife he impregnated the king daughter at ughoton and he left up north to were no one knows tilk today benin chiefs came in search of him didnt see him but saw his heir eweka who they took back to benin to be king

Egharevba who was using benib history as experiment assumed ekaladeran had left to ife inother to unite yoruba and benin together in the former western region so they wont looj like outsiders


Are you afraid to accept the truth ife and benin never had connections benin and owo had a connection even the Portuguese cant deniel

TAO11:
Your mom's

That should be your mom he had passed are smelly cunt to her daughter


You cant help the truth you began to result to insult

Were the yorubas who accolade this she goat for a job well done he has now resulted to insult in place of fact


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babtoundey:
What are you even saying! So the Igala Benin war erodes the possibility of Benin/Ife relationship. Can you clarify the relationship between Igala and Benin beyond the story of Inkpi (Benin/ Igala war) and how such story proves the known Ife/Benin connection untrue.

See, like I told you, the in onus is on you to provide evidence. You are the one disproving an established claim. So you disprove very aspect of it with your own fact; and not the kind of "my grandfather said" or Igala Benin war that doesn't clarify where you you found Eweka and how Oranmiyan was never a part in the conversion of Ogiso dynasty to the present day oba system in Benin.

I have clarified all this in this thread you need to go back and find it, i also created another thread
On how the myth originated

If you are lazy to go search for it, am sorry am not searching it our for you or writing another one you will have to wait for the official thread i will create soon to establish these fact


But for now am giving you a roon to prove benin and ife connection

Anyone can prove it it doesnt matter who is approving or disproving

Give your fact for approving the benin and ife connection i will give mine like i have done in this thread you're just lazy to go and search for it

If you are approving this connection make sure you use European account who had visited benin or ife in the ancient times and not a document from the 1900 the written document should be atleast 200yrs old writing document, you are also allowed to use artifacts to establish your fact and cognitive reasoning

My yoruba friend start proving ife and benin connections


And a again the Portuguese told the story of igala and benin war and they even fought in it
They recorded that a benin chief went to seek the help of the Benin neighbors, if igala and benin didnt trade or have any form of connections over the centuries the benin chief wouldn't just know were igala was and ask them to wage benin so there was a connection between both party before the war

TAO11:
Go away, let your parents talk to me.

Stinky cunt

TAO11:
R.C.C. Law and your alter ego (if not you yourself) called such account about the Ooni as myths, fabrications, etc.

Oga prove benin and ife had a connection without using oral account use other available source apart from written record, i will allow you use Portuguese writing record, but we have already disproven the fact that ogene was never ife so in your Portuguese account that should be excluded


The igala benin war was documented in both art and writing record so we believe it happend

500yrs of Portuguese trading with benin they never saw or wrote on ife and benin connections thats have a melininum years

They wrote about eko, they wrote about owo, akure, igala but never ife

Why

Prove it, there was a connection

It seems you yorubas are using edo history to popularized your dead history and it is not working anymore we don wise
..

If you can't prove benin an Ife connection then

Words like oba, gods like olokun etc, words like benin were all indigenous


Am waiting for you to prove it


See owo art work that have semblance with benin Art because we brought it to them and thought them the art


Atleast you are seeing our artwork in owo having a carbon copy of benin artwork

But the history that says ife thought benin artwork and yet we cant find any similar artwork between those party

Unless you want to prove otherwise


In the ancient times nupe, igala, ife-owo art, owo-benin art the whole of Northern nigeria were all skilled in artwork but this artwork skilled were all different in style the artwork similar to the benin artwork is nupe


Prove it to me ife introduce artwork to benin
Using factual evidence and not writing document

Cc samuk
Davidnazee


Image 1 0wo- benin art
Image 2 nupe art
Image 3 owo - ife art

Antivirus92:
he was even insulting people who tried to correct erronous belief

He has already equated his knowledge to igbos and yoruba alone meaning no other tribe in nigeria can own those food thier


He is even forcing words on the different tribe, i think he needs to be evaluated

Someone should close the thread forgodsake

Probz:
This thread’s meant for the more intellectual as opposed to village idiots.

Guy you need medical attention

Antivirus92:
oga there is nothing like kpomo or shaki in anambra,,,
we know of kanda or imeju,,,
ogiri is purely igbo and has no yoruba connection,whatever alternative to ogiri that the yorubas have is strictly not related to ogiri
igbo and yoruba have some few words sounding similar but that doesn't have anything to do with same origin

Kpomo and shaki is even an edo world

The foolish guy who created this group believes is only igbo and yoduba that share same food

Cov19 is affecting is brain

He went ahead to name kpomo and shaki as igbo words even both party will dismiss is claims
At instant

davidnazee:
Your fish brain only knows and celebrate myths and unfounded claims.. you have been using myths to challenge real and documented history.

Ife was just a village that had a great oracle from whom people from different places came to seek divination and when people got tired of the oracle Ife faded away. That was why all the early writers you referenced never saw Ife, only heard rumours of a certain place whose name they weren’t sure of and whose ruler was insignificant that they didn’t bother to go visit.

Yet all those historians visited Benin and recorded it as a great and mighty Kingdom which ruled over vast majority of Yorubaland. From the time the first Portuguese set foot on these parts till the British took over was a timeline of over 400yrs and Benin was recorded as the greatest Kingdom all that time and Ife was non existent.

It seems you have agreed oghene is ife

babtoundey:
And this is what I was saying up there. You want us to stop believing the account of renown Benin, Yoruba and foreign scholars and historians and believe that your granddad said Benin and Ife never met. Did your granddad lived during the reign of of Eweka that we must submit to his story. Or, is your granddad more Benin than renown and respectable Benin historian who admit and insist Benin met with Ife at a pint in time? You are going through this much trouble just because you want to deny the obvious; the fact that Ife had influence on Benin.

It's simply not enough for you to say here was never Oranmiyan, or there was Eweka but no Oranmiyan in Benin or there was never either of them. You have to skilfully wrought how Eweka came by his name and give accurate account of his birth. You have to give dependable are reliable account of how he got the idea of Oba ruling system (Was the system in place where he was brought from or he got inspiration from some mysterious angels). You how to tell us how Benin came by the name "Benin". Tell us why Eweka call his mother "iyaooba/iyooba" and how that relate to the language of to the language of the "unknown place" he came from.
I guess, Ogun, Ayelala, Sanponna, Olokun etc are the gods he brought Alon from that unknown place. If you know this much about him and the things he brought from the unknown place why haven't you traced that unknown place till the present time?

Keep spinning coiling lies and fabrications. You can't succeed in changing what is to what is not.

I wont say anything again so it wont look like a lie
Or am an author to my self

But i want to give the right to prove the ife and benin connections without using oral history


The igala and benin war was recorded by the Portuguese, there is a mask the attah of igala still wears today to prove the war happened

I want you to prove- ife and benin connections with factual evidence and not from oral account


Am waiting

samuk:
The Palace probably knew what they are doing because the way it stands, the Oba of Benin is the most senior Oba to them all.

That was what late Oba Erediawa told the late Ooni when he went to visit him, the Ooni try to say welcome back home my son, the Oba corrected him by saying a father cannot be a son.

The Palace still makes the error there was never a connection
I think the palace enjoy the myth for political reasons

samuk:
Did you just see her now denying that Oranmiyan didn't come to Benin. It was the son.

This is how you catch out a lie.

He is pulling our legs leave him alone go do personal research on ife and benin history and come to write your findings leave d buffon alone

Am doing research on egharevba write up and benin various art and what am seeing are impressive i advice you do thesame

I leave that evening newspaper

And go for deep research work

Is funny we will be the one to correct the palace on our findings

TAO11:

Retard


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babtoundey:
Do you see several loopholes in your man-made history. Yoruba account of Benin/Ife connection never recognize Ekaladeran. Yoruba always maintain that Ekaladrran or whatsoever didn't escape to Ife. I'm pleased to be aware you eventually know where your Ekaladeran went to. Didn't you just said your chief came back with Eweka who inturned established Oba from which Yoruba then emulate. Did the establishment of Benin empire predate Ife? Didn't Ekaladeran came back with Yoruba gods and names like Ogun, oya, olokun, iyooba? Many loopholes here and there. I will suggest you go back and spin you story (history) again. By the time you try more than a hundred times without maybe common sense will tell you to give up.

Now i didnt say benin didnt have connections witg other yorubas but definitely not ife

The conqueror always influenced the conquered everything u said about gods were introduced to other yourubas by benin

I posted s pictures yesterday on owo art having semblance with benin artwork thats is edo influence it didn't end there gods too were introduced to them just d wat British introduced Christianity to the conquered nigeria

Guy think of another one am here for you

The prob i will be having with you is you insiting on benin and ifw connections with no prove

samuk:
I am disappointed in you, you are usually smarter than this.

Where did I argue that Oranmiyan was the first Ooni of Ife?

I argued from when Oranmiyan became Ooni, I didn't say anything about any Ooni before Oranmiyan.

The questions are very simple and your Yoruba historians agree with my answers.

1. Was Oranmiyan ever Ooni of Ife (Yes)
2. Which of the current Oba was his first child? (Oba of Benin)
3. Did Oranmiyan left Benin to found Oyo (Yes)
4. Who amongst current Obas was Oranmiyan second child. (Alaafin of Oyo)
5. Did Oranmiyan left Oyo and returned back to Ife (Yes)
6. Has there ever been seniority contests between the Alaafin and Ooni (Yes)
7. Is the Oba of Benin the senior brother to Alaafin (Yes)

Which of my answers is wrong and please back your argument up with your usual evidence. Don't try to swear your way out of it.

You still quoting egharevba myth of oromiyan to him....
Guy stand your ground to prove benin had any connections with ife at any time

That let him drag you into myth my god he will win you

TAO11:
You are a fatuous lair, and that's why I requested that your parents talk to me and not you.

No renowned writer said anywhere that there are no Ife-Benin relationship, you Janus-faced wide-mouthed insanely mor0nic liar.



It's not my fault that you're just learning to read and you need pictures beside texts.

Moreover, you just admitted the very thing I've been repeating since that you sit down imagine anything and come to Nairaland and type uncoordinated stuffs like Benin Kingdom have been existing before God.

That's what happen when you ignore experts and want to take their job despite admitting that you're still learn to read on your own.

before I curse you, give that phone to your parents and let them, talk to me, not you.

400c that 500yrs


Sarah20A

scholes0:
lol co.ck sucking will not save you. You even had repeat street talk and cower under igbos to take a meaningless jab at Yorubas. As long as Nigeria remains one an Igbo man is free to live in Lagos either as a tenant or a land owner, same way an Isoko like you is free to lease a farmland in ore or crush palm kernels for people in Ekiti.
Binis and other Edos do not natively call melon Egusi but Ikpogi. You FAIL (as usual).

But dont you think if the benins have recently borrowed they would have called it egusi thesame exact name the original owner calls it or even a corrupt similar form but they are calling it a different name should make you have second thought dont you think...
Again the eastern yorubas call it thier traditional food unlike the western yorubas who eat it but don't acknowledge it as thier as and we know benin and eastern yorubas had have contact through out history to dtaw this connection


This days when we right or create topic is either to learn or relearn or to educate

I have given you point there give me yours why you differ then we can both come to a conclusion

This life nor b fight or bad thing to relearn things

TAO11:
Tufiakwa!!!

Lol i thought you are yoruba how come you now speak igbo hmm

TAO11:
Hahaha, the only made up story is that of Ekaladerhan becoming Oduduwa. No more np less.


I am yet to see a world-renowned contemporary historian who does not agree that Oranmiyan did brought the superior rule to Igodomigodo from his Ife country and changed the name to Ubinu.

Stop indirectly calling Oba Ewuare II (and orher past Bini Obas) fools.

Listen to Oba Ewuare (from timestamp 13:20) and obey him. Or are you colluding with Ogiso and Ogiamen to send him back home to Ufe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXvXupQwaz0&t=829s




Benin liars right now (below)

Showed show you a renowned writer who disagree to ife benin connections

Lets not use writing documents to disprove or approve this fact lets use pictorial analysis and factual analysis

Instead of quoting authors lets analyzed it factual without quoting any author

Lets imagine we been our own author and analyze our own thought


On the normal African religion arguing with a lady
Is an abomination but thank God for this era

So are you ready to analyse ife and benin had a connection

TAO11:
I am not just drawing anything now. Yorubas always knew their mythology separate from their history.

Ogiso Igodo diving into Benin city from the sky is mythlogy.

God Almighty giving birth to the first Oba of Benin is mythology.

Oghene using chain to come down from the sky and pour sand on the flood is mythology.

Embrace your mythology with love if you feel proud about it just like every race out there in the world.

Give me ur number babe am falling inlove with you lets bring the old myth of benin and ife into reality through courtship

Mylove am waiting for your glorious number

Sarah20A:
I agree with that it was the Portuguese who corrupted the name to Benin due to the difficulty in pronouncing ubinu, I Also agree with that the Benin don't introduce themselves as Benin because that word Benin is used to identify them foreigners.
I don't think the Benins have relationship with the yorubas except from the story of Izoduwa who the yorubas know as oduduwa.
Please be sure of your source of information during your research and you can also go to usen in edo state for more information if I may suggest. please keep us updated.

You're still living in the past my friend

If you are benin and you any very aged relatives tell them to tell you thr story of ekaladeran you wont see any of those stuffs you wrote there

Ubinu or Oduduwa stuff it was frictional please dont tell your kids such shit it was all made up

TAO11:
This confused dummy again.

Ekaladerhan founded the town of Ughoton where he lived and died when he was banished from Igodomigodo.

The idea that he later resurrected from the dead and went to Ife is what world-renowned historians have examined and laughed at as a joke.

The account of Oduduwa has been documented indigenously since as early as the 1800s first by Bishop Ajayi Crowther, then Sir Moses, Lijadu, even before our Reverend Samuel Johnson all in the 1800s.

The account of Ekaladerhan on the other hand wasn't documented in Benin until in the year 1934 by Chief Egharevba whom you all ironically think is a liar.

So if any of the two stories never really existed, then it is that which cane to be first written only recently.



I have warned you severally --- I am not on your stupid gutter level when it comes to history.


Go away from here, let your parents talk to me.

You finally agree benin and ife never had a connection that is the first step

There will be no need to debate benin and ife mythical relationships again

Sarah20A:
a leading historian opinion doesn't make the matter true or false and he didn't state that the Benins came from yoruba,he didn't also state the yorubas gave the Benins king and I would like to know his opinion about oduduwa and which palace in yorubaland gave the Benins a king.

Dont mind that TAO11 of a guy


The ekaladeran story existed but Oduduwa story didnt exist i can give you prove to that

First of all are you benin

Am not only going to give you scholar opinion but also factual opinion

MelesZenawi:
He is looking for unanimity where non is existing.

If there are relationships Igbos has many tribes they are surrounded with but not Yorubas.

Such myth or theory will never exist.

Lol,

MelesZenawi:
I didn't quote you.

I quoted the other guy rather.

Is the guy from Benin?

Ha no he is retarded igbo guy


He even called yorubas ndi- yorubas

Even the big tribes are still the other bigger tribe

MelesZenawi:
Your fathers and Yorubas share same root not ndigbo.
Ozu.

Wtf is wrong with you


Go and read books and stop saying nonsense

Benin never have any connections with ife stop that old lies to by awolowo and his western region

babtoundey:
You keep demanding for proof of Ife/Benin connection when different people have proven with citation and references the connections that exist between the two kingdom. Instead of you examining those standing facts, you will rather dismiss them outright on the pretence that they are Yoruba postulations, even on occasions when such facts are given by people of Benin origin. What more proof do you still demand for after all that has been proven here and elsewhere with historical, linguistics and and cultural overlaps between the two empire? It suits you to admit Benin had connection with Ondo (Yoruba) and the other Yoruba sect got what bind them with Benin from Ondo.

Your claim would have been quite meaningful, and of course, may be, acceptable, if you yourself, that is shouting for proofs and rebuking the ones provided as Yoruba narratives (even the ones provided by foreigners) can at least provided tenable and reasonable backings for your assumptions. You only want us to believe and accept it because you think it and want it.

Brother man, before you can deny or efface anything Ife Benin you have a lot of things to erase and this will not only utter your history (Benin history as it is told today and has been told since time I'm memorial) but also make it imperative for you and your ilks to be on a serious search for your true identity.

Benin could have had influenced on Benin and vise versa, Ondo didn't give you the kingship system you have today. Ife/ Benin contact predate that of Benin obviously. Ondo themselves sprung from Ife.

You actually have a long way to go in your search for identity

First who is Oranmiyan the very first king the established the current ruling system in Benin?
Did he (Oranmiyan) come from Ondo/Nupe/Igala
Who is Eweka? a prince of Ikale/Nupe/ Igala queen.
Why would Oranmiyan, a prince, leave his own people and embarked on the journey to establish kindom similar to that of Ife I Benin?
Why was he accepted by the Benin?
What is the meaning of Benin? Does the language stem from Nupe/ Igala/?

When you consider all these and many more you know you are living in fools paradise amd making a fruitless effort to alter unalterable historical establishments.

There was never oromiyan my grandad while telling the story didnt even know what was ife or oromiyan we only read that in book and we felt that maybe grandad didnt tell the whole story not knowing grandad had told exactly what happened but egharevba had put myth on truth like in the movies....


Ekaladeran escaped to uhe ughoton were benin still go today to make sacrifice while the crown prince ascends the throne, ekaladeran had later moved north to an unknown place the benin chiefs went in search for him they didnt see him they brought back his hier eweka as a young prince, who later ascended the throne

He took upon the title oba which willed power over yoruba areas and the name oba become a general term for king


Take not in telling ekaladeran story benin never at one time mentioned

Ooni
Ife


If you want a screenshot of this actual story tell me i will send you


Egharevba had republished his first books in different vilumes because it was error full, he was always getting drag in by the palace because of is twisted history he had written on his own perception because he was the first edo writer doesnt make him correct, he had corrected his first book ekhere vb itan edo ( a short story of benin) in 1934 this is someone who was vast in both yoruba and benin culture his father was a benin- akure chief he had an ondo mother and he was born in ondo state, to twist this different history to one, and we all can virtually do thesame to our various tribe just the way egharevba did it for his selfish interest the myth later became the truth

Egharevba was using benin history to try experiments read the the article below

There was never a benin and ife relationship if you all can humbly see it

Samuk
Metaphysical

Sammy07:
This is the 2nd time I'm warning you that Ekiti and Ondo do not have Amala and ewedu as their original food.

If you don't know about something, why not keep shut?

You nor get sense you couldn't feel in my empty words i mistakenly left out

gomojam:
Which defeat? Audio defeat?
Ashewo You wanna bribe and shut her up through marriage. Tao11 is a beautiful Yoruba lady who can make even you start publishing the true history ----- YORUBA OVERLORDSHIP OVER BENIN ----- like Egharevba of blessed memory had rightfully done. She is so smart though, you may never get to touch her even with a totem pole.

Sicko

I bet you are peddling your way into her abode and that's why your are following her sheeplessly

middlebelter:
Gregyboy or greg whatever you choose as monicker, you need to know that at this age and time people can discern politically induced writers from writers with sound research background. Whether you like it or not, the historical relationship between the Yorubas and the Edo people have come to stay and you should perhaps be worried about more serious issues of economic stability and political manipulations.

Although some of us are in middlebelt, we indeed wish to be in South West, not because SW has all but chances of rapid development is higher in the region in the events of reversal back to Regional Federation system destroyed by Aguyi Ironsi and Ben Akabueze. Indeed, there's no reason to worry about if Yorubas were united before colonial administration or not. Even within the same nuclear family has every member of the family been agreeing all the time. Are you saying the entire Northern Nigeria of even South East are united? Please don't distract yourself.

I never said the entire east was united nor the north i specifically brought out the mythology that united yoruba by ancestory, edos are linked to the yorubas by ondo and ekiti and lagos and not ife or Oduduwa, benin and ife never had any connections does not mean that benin and yorubas didnt have any connections but ife and benin never had any connections at all, likewise yoruba tracing themselves to one ancestory is fallacious

Takecare

Probz:
There’s quite a few foods which more than one tribe eats as more or less indigenous food (Igbo and Yoruba shared foods in particular) but who’s willing to bet the ultimate origin of the following?

Jollof rice
Moi-moi (mai-mai, moin-moin)
Egusi soup
Akara

Puff-puff
Chin-chin
Nigerian buns
Fried rice

What food does igbo and yoruba share in particular list them



Fried rice is foreign probably from asia or europe

MelesZenawi:
Op is just smoking kwale weed. The food is common to nearly all tribes.

Limiting to Igbos and Yoruba is an arrant nonsense. Igbos has no connection or root with Yorubas.

All these food spread due to movement and one Nigeria them project.

Surely he was he also had it in mind that the other tribes didnt invent any of theses food

Confam mugu


I would use my two balls to swear egusi is a bini soup and the idiot here is ascribing it to just two tribe ogun kill am therw