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zeusdgrt:
Lol.....own fire ,the nonsense u post up there is even saying Edo as an affiliate to the north. gibberish at it's peak

Mraphel:
Igodomigodo is to ogiso and Bini Oba is to Yoruba. The modern Bini have adopted the igodomigodo language while Bini Yoruba are almost extinct.

TAO11:
Ogbeni carry your insecure ass out of this thread and stop trying too hard to compensate for your inferiority complex.

Cc: sangresan

Simbrixton:
you guys should stay out of itsekiri issues it is simple

TAO11:
My demands were very clear and very simple.

I can’t remember asking you for an ocean of tears.

Simbrixton:
story, the voice of the people is the voice of God tsola is the next Olu

Simbrixton:
maybe una go install una own olu for ikpoba hill sha

TAO11:
How many times must your A.F.C. Ryder screenshot be debunked before you feel ashamed of yourself ??



Please point out one statement of fact/certainty from your A.F.C. Ryder 1965 screenshot. I would wait.

While I’m waiting, refer carefully to the page below for a citation of A.F.C. Ryder 1969, p.31. — 4 years later.

Cheers!

Cc: ThatFairGuy1, Gbajure, Daum, UGBE634, b4bola

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ThatFairGuy1:
And you've forgotten Yorubas own bini

The name itself is transformation from "Ile Ibinu" to "ubini" to "bini" of today.

Yoruba owns bini

ogbonti:
you are the one high on trash and you are a kid

Oba Erediauwa - the father of this current Oba played politics in 1991 when he indirectly told his chiefs to tell Benin people to vote for Chief John Odigie - Oyegun of SDP against Mr. Lucky Igbinedion of NRC - I was in Benin and I voted in that election (Option A-4 open ballot system, aka see me I see you) and so many bs happened then including the murder of Oredo LG Chairman Mr. George Osa Idah. Even the Oba had to wear red and go to court to defend himself against the allegations that Ogbinedion put forward that the Oba cost his son the election- That was an open secret in Benin then that the Oba campaigned secretly against Igbinedion through his Chiefs.


In 1999, that same Oba Erediauwa was backing Mr Lucky Imasuen of APP against Lucky Igbinedion of PDP and that made Navy Captain Anthony Ibe Onyearugbulem - the then Edo State Sole administrator to confront the Oba and told him to behave himself or else - most of us know how that ended, when he removed the Oba as Chairman of Edo State Traditional Council because he said the Oba was partisan.


Then his son Oba Ewuare was pulling that same stunt for Ize Iyamu - in 2019

Do you know what it means for the Oba to say his family didn’t like Obaseki because the role his great grand father played in the 1897 Benin Massacre and that Dangote was begging him to accept Obaseki’s candidacy in 2016 and that Phillip Shaibu is no longer his son bla bla bla abd that Oshomole is a good man and he has been helping him since he was a Prince bla bla bla

if you can not read in between the lines and his body language and know he was campaigning against Obaseki and expected him to say EDO PEOPLE VOTE FOR IZE IYAMU - then you are a BIG g Oa t

ariesbull:
Edo...who is Edo

The Esan don't like Benins

Auchi will go with North
Akoko Edo, Utsen will go with Yoruba
Igbanke will go with Igbo


So...who are the Edo.......is it

Gbajure:
But was it like that before Oranmiyan from Ilé Ife arrived? Were they ever called Binis?
Was the king title ever Ọmọ Noba?
Wasn't it Ogiso?

Truthshots2:
Igodomigodo is a fairytale, the title of the emperor of Benin has always been Oba, the yorubas started copying the Oba title as from the 1930's, the first yoruba to do so is adesoji aderemi.

Gbajure:
Now I get your point.
The reason I was stressing that sliver of point, is that only the descendants of Oranmiyan can become Oba of Benin.
Even Odùduwà met autonomous groups in Ile Ife but we are now all call Yorubas and not Ọmọ Odùduwà and Ọmọ Obatala.

Daum:
LOL.. Now I see
You don't even know the different between bini and Edo. Now I see why you're confusing yourself.....lol

A Benin man like you would say doesn't call himself Benin but he calls himself Edo. The title of the Oba of Benin is Omo N'oba Nedo....

Daum:
You see you guys always skip the main points. I never said anything about Oronmiyan being the first Oba or not. I said he left in anger because he couldn't rule. He was practically powerless. The Edions who brought him from Ife, didn't give him power. Power was with the Ogiamen.

You Yoruba have painted a history in your head like Oronmiyan came in a war horse with his army and invaded benin and conquered it. Then he put his son to rule over Benin... Oronmiyan was brought to Benin by the Edions. He could not even defeat the Ogiamen. He left in anger.... The people he met didn't even understand him. So this whole idea of him being conqueror in Benjn and Benin people being Yoruba... I don't know where those lies come from

Gbajure:
[s]For argument sake let's agree that only Oronmiyan mother is Yoruba. And leave the Odùduwà part for other time. Then Eweka too has Yoruba blood then thru his father Oranmiyan. Let call those from Eweka with Yoruba blood via their ancestral mother Binis and the pure Edo people as Edos.

And since only those Binis can become Oba, then the Bini monarchy is part Yoruba then.

And if those are the same people that instituted Warri throne, it also is part Yoruba. I hope u get my point/s]

Juliusmalema:
Lol, I pride myself as been fair and Just.

As for this thread, I am at peace with it.

Brothers ( Yorubas and Bini ) do quarrel but in overcoming such disagreement will they grow stronger.

For one thing, I am so at peace with the thread as our future vision is taking shape.

Gbajure:
But the Benin dynasty was started by a Yoruba blood, Eweka the Great, the son of Oranmiyan with an Edo mother.

Oranmiyan toppled the existing Ogiso dynasty and that was never reversed till today.

UGBE634:
The truth is that you are so ignorant and your ignorance stinks. this your ignorance is propelled by the fact that you guys don't travel outside your region and it is a mess for you guys, these are some of the reasons the igbos will always be a better group when compared to the Yoruba. The fact is the land and the people oronmiyan called binis do not refer to themselves as Binis in our native tongue but Edo. hence the need to educate you that Edos and Binis are one and the same thing. the name Benins are only used by the Benins when they are speaking in English for emphasis so you know the group they are talking about. it's just like different names for the same group . example omo oduduwa and Yoruba, easily one would know you are referring to the yorubas. The yorubas and the Benins do not have any relationship outside the monarchy. we are different people linguistically, "if I speak my language as an Edo(bini) whatever you call it and you hear I go die". the Bini monarchy is direct primogeniture from father to son, it is not adulterated and cheap like some classless Yoruba stool. I ordinarily would not have replied you but I have seen some level of stark ignorance under the sun among the yorubas about my people and I wish to correct it

scholes0:
Let me even say that for argument sake you are right (which you are not, because that 3% is Benin royalty who are ultimately Yorubas who spoke Yoruboid dialects and hence how they easily blended with the Itsekiris).. The ruling family you are claiming have already made it known via a unanimous decision that Tsola Emiko is the Olu in waiting....

Atuwatse, Atorongboye, Omoluyiri, Abejoye, Akenjoye, Omagboye were ALL the official royal appelations of previous Olus of the Warri Kingdom, what do those mean in Benin??

So what is the argument about again? ....

Gbajure:
Watch my choice of words, I wrote Bini and not Edo. Edo and Yoruba are distinct people and civilisations. One from Odùduwà the other from Igodomigodo.

Binis are the remnant of those that followed Oranmiyan to Edo land plus the descendants of Eweka, the first Ọba of Benin. Since Eweka mother is Edo, most Binis are there4 with Yoruba and Edo bloods. Binis are Yorubas while Edos are not.

Incidentally only the descendants of Eweka can become the Ọba of Benin not any pure Edo.

Gbajure:
No. You are now comparing apples to oranges. There are no descendants of Portuguese in Lagos. But returnees with portuguese names form the ruling house. In the case of Benin, the Binis distinct from pure Edo are Yorubas are the royal family as ordained by Oranmiyan, and no one ever contested the ruling house with them.

In the case of Itshekiris, it is even more ridiculous since they are pure Yoruba with some mixed with Binis, mind you not Edos, blood

b4bola:
Even your oba of Benin can't refute that.
Edo people are from Ile Ife.

Gbajure:
What is the meaning of Ogiso? Find the meaning b4 starting posting rubbish about not believing in the sky mythology.

And Ooni visiting Benin b4 coronation? Maybe u meant to say Ọba of Bini!

Think about this first. Who changed the name of the people from Edo to Bini a Yoruba word and Ogiso to Ọba, another Yoruba word.

ogbonti:
shorrop, Ogiame Ikenwoli's mother was not not yoruba, that was a strong reason why he became Olu in 2015.I know alot about the Warri Kingdom.

The mother of late Ogiame Atuwatse II - the father of Prince Tsola was a Bini woman

Gbajure:
Even Bini is a Yoruba name. Same with Ọmọ no Ọba. Informed people know that Binis and Edos though used synonymously means different things.
Edos are pure race of the Igodomigodo or Ogiso people.
Binis are the Edos with Yoruba bloods, that is descendants of Oranmiyan a pure Yoruba Prince then and later an Ooni of Ife

Why is it that only Binis can become Ọba (another Yoruba word) of Benin if Yorubas are not the lord of the land?

ogbonti:
Captain Hosa Okunbor is the father of Prince Tsola's wife. That same greedy Captain Hosa who was so divisive in the last Gubernatorial election in Edo State, sending paid thugs to attack the convoy of Governor Obaseki and Wike and others on their way to the palace. I do not expect the Oba of Benin to tell Ayiri to do what is right. The Oba is a good friend of Captain Hosa and he will want the son -in-law of his close friend and confidante to become King in Warri as this current Oba was the Royal Father of the day when Prince Tsola Emiko Married Ivie Okunbor in 2014

Chief Ayiri should understand that The Oba of Benin can not impose anything on him because tradition is tradition. Laws have outlasted Obas in Benin and just like no other prince but the first son of a departed Oba of Benin can become King in Benin, likewise no son of an Olu whose mother is not an Itsekiri or a Bini woman can reign as King in Warri.


Chief Ayiri should never allow anyone to blackmail or force him to surrender the customs of the Itsekiri people as very powerful interest groups outside the Iwere Kingdom are doing everything possible to water down the selection process. For once, I am supporting Ayiri in this matter - ATABRATA, DO THE RIGHT THING and do not allow anyone to confuse or control you, whether Oba or no Oba - Ooni or Alaafin, just do the right thing!!!!


AYIRI should follow what Obaseki did in the last election in Edo State. When the Oba of Benin invited Obaseki and Ize-Iyamu to his palace, the Oba was almost telling Obaseki to chill and allow Ize-Iyamu become Governor and he took swipe at the Deputy Governor Phillip Shaibu, trying to intimidate him. - Obaseki stood his ground and told the Oba, "I swore an oath to protect the people of Edo State and that is what I will do"

The Oba's body language was tilted in support of Ize-Iyamu and we all saw it but today Obaseki prevailed and the Oba has no choice but become friends with Obaseki again - So Ayiri, as long as you are doing the right thing, learn from Obaseki, never back down!!!!!

Christistruth00:
Welcome TAO11

those Benin boys have been busy Singing and dancing to their Fake Historical revisionist rubbish like a bunch of Jackals and
Hyenas since Yesterday this time they have been trying to takeover Itsekiriland claiming the Itsekiri and Oyo never had any Kingdom and that Benin was the only Kingdom in Southern Nigeria

The one below claimed they had finally put you out of business and shut you down

Gbajure:
And the word BINI is what? Is it not a Yoruba word from Ilẹ̀ Ìbínú that Prince Oranmiyan called the Edo town in anger?

Juliusmalema:
I will never support evil and as such the article 4 is a useless one.....

Itshekiri are by extension Yorubas, So it makes no sense, I mean no sense how the son of a Yoruba woman won't become king.

The 1979 edict is a daylight robbery and shouldn't stand.

The Benin kingdom itself is a yoruboid kingdom ( Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor an Itshekiri man affirmed this)...

Prince Tsola should be crowned the Olu of Warri.

You cannot deny the real owners of the kingdom by extension their right to also rule their land.

The Article 4 should be burnt to ashes....It has outlived it's usefulness and reason it was created.

If some lies, revisionist are not nipped to the mud, they might end up extending the local government they want to control in their expansionist agenda upto Nine..

Ekealterego:
Oga, Benin Expedition of 1897 is there is every history book and war LIbrary for any literate person to read... The whole Benin City was stinking. It was the stench of sacrifices that delayed it for 7 days, the actual attack and take over only took a few hours. Subsequently, the oba chiefs were hanged before the market square.

The Oba ran to seek asylum in Calabar, leaving women and children to fight...

What took almost a year was Aro-Anglo wars of 1901-1902... Which transpired to ignite the 30 years Ekumeku war...

You think you are lying to your illiterate minions.

The maps, the names of the soldiers, the size of so called empire is available for everyone to read.