samuk: Which facts, facts that were created by revisionist, are you even aware that Benin was already well established in Lagos as early as 1602? An eyewitness historical accounts from a Dutchman that visited Lagos in 1602 saw the place occupied by Benin army and their commanders who sent daily reports back to the Oba of Benin.
I am not interested in fairytales by revisionists because anyone can write any nonsense. Show me eyewitness historical accounts of what your are claiming.
Did you not listen to what the Oba of Lagos said himself, that the first Oba of Lagos was a Male descendant of Oba of Benin, who was sent to Lagos by oba of Benin? Did you not hear the Oba of Lagos song about how their forefather was born in Benin to the king. Did you hear anything about female in that video.
Listen to the video again incase you missed it before.
Fezz: Nicely said.. you have raised good points here. I just wonder how the foreigners never documented the Benin/ife relationship for a duration of 400 years. Does it mean that emissaries between the supposed ife Kingdom and the great Benin empire didn't visit eachother during that span of 400 years?. That is a long time of blank history and it's quite suspicious.
It is obvious the yoruba revisionists started their conspiracy after the colonial masters took over the land (1897) to alter history. Thanks to the Portuguese, if not they would have succeeded in fabricating history.
Sewgon79: Oranmiyan: The real reason behind Oba of Benin’s recent visit to Ile Ife
Ile Ife is the ancestral home of all Oduduwa descendants, mostly Yoruba and Benin people inclusive, that has been a known fact. The recent visit of Oba of Benin just gave it more credence as the Binis have a common heritage with the Yorubas in Oranmiyan whose groove lies in Ile Ife.
Omo N’oba N’Edo Uku Akpolokpolo Oba Ewuare II, the Oba of Benin recently travelled to Ile Ife where he visited the Ooni of Ife on Saturday, April 28. Before this historical visit, the last time an Oba from Benin visited the Ooni was 36 years ago.
According to a popular saying in Benin kingdom: “Oba no dey go transfer,” which simply means that Oba of Benin rarely leaves his palace where he sees to the day-to-day running of his kingdom. That is why Benin monarchs hardly go around.
2018 visit to Ile Ife, went to the Oranmiyan groove and learnt that there is more to the Oba of Benin’s visit to the ancient city. It was gathered that the Oba of Benin actually went to collect a particular sword which all kings of Oranmiyan descent come to Ile Ife to collect. It is called the sword of victory and every king who is a descendant of Oranmiyan must come to the groove to collect the sword.
It was also learnt that while being given the sword, the king visiting will be prayed for that any war he wages he will conquer unless he decide to wage war against Ile Ife then he will lose the war. This is because no son is expected to wage war against his father.
Also gathered that while coming to the groove to collect the sacred sword, any king coming must change from the regalia he is adorned with to a specially prepared outfit before he can step his feet into the Oranmiyan groove for prayers and collection of the sword.
This particular ritual was alleged to be one of the reasons the Oba of Benin went to Ile Ife and also seized the opportunity to visit the Ooni of Ife who was present during his coronation in Benin.
During the historical visit, Ooni, Oba Enitan Adeyeye Ogunwusi Ojaja II, and the Oba of Benin confirmed the common inheritance the two ancient cities have in Oranmiyan, the last son of Oduduwa who was said to have migrated from Ile Ife to become the first Oba of Benin. Oduduwa was also said to be the first Ooni of Ife.
On leaving Benin back to Ile Ife, Oranmiyan was said to have installed his son as the king of Benin thus the title Omo N’oba which when translated means the son of the king.
The Ooni was quoted to have said during the historic visit that: “Those of you that know the history know that the then Oliha came to Ife to ask that Oranmiyan be brought to Benin. There are details in history books. I am cutting out the details. It’s all in the history books and you can research that. He (the then Oliha) was the one that successfully won the right to escort Oranmiyan to Benin to become the first Oba of Benin.”
May all Oranmiyan's descendants continue to live in harmony.
OjukuwuHusband: This Edo miscreant and his obsession with yoruba, today oba of benin is not Yoruba, tommorow oba of benin is oba in Yorubaland..... confusion in the land of cultism, witchcraft and prostitution.
This one fraustrate come life.... So, sorry Yoruba never had history before the britsh came
Sewgon79: Oranmiyan: The real reason behind Oba of Benin’s recent visit to Ile Ife
Ile Ife is the ancestral home of all Oduduwa descendants, mostly Yoruba and Benin people inclusive, that has been a known fact. The recent visit of Oba of Benin just gave it more credence as the Binis have a common heritage with the Yorubas in Oranmiyan whose groove lies in Ile Ife.
Omo N’oba N’Edo Uku Akpolokpolo Oba Ewuare II, the Oba of Benin recently travelled to Ile Ife where he visited the Ooni of Ife on Saturday, April 28. Before this historical visit, the last time an Oba from Benin visited the Ooni was 36 years ago.
According to a popular saying in Benin kingdom: “Oba no dey go transfer,” which simply means that Oba of Benin rarely leaves his palace where he sees to the day-to-day running of his kingdom. That is why Benin monarchs hardly go around.
2018 visit to Ile Ife, went to the Oranmiyan groove and learnt that there is more to the Oba of Benin’s visit to the ancient city. It was gathered that the Oba of Benin actually went to collect a particular sword which all kings of Oranmiyan descent come to Ile Ife to collect. It is called the sword of victory and every king who is a descendant of Oranmiyan must come to the groove to collect the sword.
It was also learnt that while being given the sword, the king visiting will be prayed for that any war he wages he will conquer unless he decide to wage war against Ile Ife then he will lose the war. This is because no son is expected to wage war against his father.
Also gathered that while coming to the groove to collect the sacred sword, any king coming must change from the regalia he is adorned with to a specially prepared outfit before he can step his feet into the Oranmiyan groove for prayers and collection of the sword.
This particular ritual was alleged to be one of the reasons the Oba of Benin went to Ile Ife and also seized the opportunity to visit the Ooni of Ife who was present during his coronation in Benin.
During the historical visit, Ooni, Oba Enitan Adeyeye Ogunwusi Ojaja II, and the Oba of Benin confirmed the common inheritance the two ancient cities have in Oranmiyan, the last son of Oduduwa who was said to have migrated from Ile Ife to become the first Oba of Benin. Oduduwa was also said to be the first Ooni of Ife.
On leaving Benin back to Ile Ife, Oranmiyan was said to have installed his son as the king of Benin thus the title Omo N’oba which when translated means the son of the king.
The Ooni was quoted to have said during the historic visit that: “Those of you that know the history know that the then Oliha came to Ife to ask that Oranmiyan be brought to Benin. There are details in history books. I am cutting out the details. It’s all in the history books and you can research that. He (the then Oliha) was the one that successfully won the right to escort Oranmiyan to Benin to become the first Oba of Benin.”
May all Oranmiyan's descendants continue to live in harmony.
Alba3: Meaningless and out of context! I don't know when personal opinion or comments become authority. As a 'senior' Bini revisionist you should have done better...
Personal opinion you say, so from were you read your history, it wasnt a personal opinion of the writer
So the screenshot i sent was also my personal opinion
Gerrat of here,
I least expected any meaningful thing from an unconcerned fellow form ogbomosho
If we are to check you are neither from ife or the said benin, but you decided to porknose
If you like dont believe the obvious truth i tell, the truth will stand
Alba3: Young man, your royalty in Bini is of Yoruba ancestry, reason Itsekiris picked Ginua in the first place. The person opposing Prince Tsola also has Yoruba mother. It's very easy for Yorubas and Itsekiris to intermarry.
You should be contented with your about 4 LGA in Bini, whose many are also being occupied by Yorubas(who also provide Bini monarchy), Itsekiris(who gave relevance to Bini as kingdom) and Ijaws.
Instead of all this cyber noise, you can also travel down to Warri's palace and remove the new Olu as you're a strong-headed igodomigodo boy...
Who said bini stool is from Yoruba royalty, dont tell me you belive that political made up false history which started after 1914 to unite edo as Yoruba
As a matter of fact no Yoruba monarch historically derived their stool from ife to begin with no to say edo from a different ethnicity, the story of ife deriving the various Yoruba royal stool, started by samuel Johnson in his book "history of youruba" Samuel j, falsely united the yorubas into one ancestry from ife, so as to stop the Yoruba continuous war against themselves and embrace each other as brothers
The bini history which has an input of Oduduwa tales is false, and was integrated into benin history to political unite edos as yorubas during the formation of the early country called Nigeria, infact Oduduwa myth belongs to the Yorubas alone and has nothing to do with benin or her history, the benin royal stool is completely of edo origin and should not be mixed up with the petty lies from the political mixup of false unification made from the early formation of the country
I know you dont know anything about what i just wrote up there, but visit my profile for more information
Zetty177x: Indomitable...when Dem born u to take compare? Shut up
Stop praising mediocrity because he tarred your road, using thst to buy una conscience
Oga benin city and edo state is a mess oshiomole did way better than obaseki, because he didnt tarred you guys road doesn't mean he wasnt better than obaseki, the works oshiomole did obseki abandon it and started is own, different one
he's done well for the State. There's no part of the whole of Edo State that didn't feel his impact. I will give an example. Ewato is a part of Edo state that has been neglected from time immemorial...nothing has been done by any regime.. But Governor Obaseki took development there..other parts of Edo state..u can see things happening..even with the small resources..things are looking up in that state. The only area he has to work on, is security...herdmens, kidnappers, robbers..the governor needs to do something..that's his only minus...
Shut up, edo state as a whole is a mess
Benin city is worse, we dont have gra's anymore, ring road is a shadow of itsformer self
Cleo18: Lol, the probability of having at least a witch in every family from Edo state is very high, and besides, many of them are so irresponsible. They can steal and lie
She this goat your mama na b witch idiot saying nonsense
macof: Egypt in all its grandeur is not known as a mighty empire.. Only the New Kingdom era is sometimes called the Egyptian empire, because this was the limited period Egypt was a mighty empire. And you think the term "empire" is just given anyhow because you conquered some few neighbouring villages and towns Lol
The problem is many of you don't know how to differentiate a mighty empire from a strong kingdom with little imperial significance
I do you a lot of service to be that honest. Nobody in the academic field prefers to refer to Benin as an "empire" over "kingdom". If you are calling Benin a mighty empire I wonder what we would call Songhai or Kanem or Abbysinia or Mali.. Or Rome or the Mongol empire or British empire or Russia before the revolution?
It's not everything you call mighty empire abeg
And I'm not arguing with you that Benin's peak was around the 15th - 16th century But itsekiri have either always been independent or got independence very early
Now i see youre Bling or you just have some blindness towards the thought of we edos
You mentioned kanem borno Songhia as empire but failed to recognized benin as empire... Lol Tell me why you classify those twp up there as empire and noy benin... Before i will begin to take you serious
Again itsekiri were undee the benin empire and were never independent from Edo as they constantly pay homage duly till the empire was put to an halt
samuk: There was an excavation of the so called site, only few animal bones were found and no human bones. What she is saying is that the bones must have been removed before the excavation, the question is why remove the bones and call a white archeologist to come and waste her time. What was the purpose of the the archeological exercise if it wasn't to find the prove to cement Benin/Ife relationship.
The Yoruba were looking for prove to Benin/Ife relationship, they invited a European archeologist to come to Ife to excavate a site they say Benin used to bury their Oba, the archeologist excavated the site and found no human remains but Mr/Ms is telling us that the bones must have been removed before the excavation. Who removed the bones and why remove the evidence when you are desperately looking for evidence to support your claims. It doesn't make sense.
To add insult to injury they actually created two sites, one was labelled as Male obas of Benin and the other for female Obas of Benin.
Below is the link to the description and location to both sites.
I stop wasting my time on tao11 when she stop bringing anything new to the table just old lies been recirculated again trying to convince us to belive her lies
Are brothers have all, abandoned her but she wont quit because of pride
Dont you see we have done enough damage to Yoruba history which they use to attach on benins, you dont see random people creating topic again discussing on the benin-ife myth as most people are getting enlightened on the truth
Omoluabi1stborn: That 100lg tribe with no global recognition? Need I remind you that you can't count 50 Benin people wey.popular in Both US and UK combined You can't count 50 achievements from Benin people
No lemme start with you
Outside the country the notable people are known as Nigerian and are not by individual tribe
But that is different case for benins, once you identify as benin, they definitely will trace you to the former empire before the present country Nigeria, are artworks are still globally talked on, a counyry and was renamed after the former empire, movies showcase benin artwork and not Nigeria artwork
Whatsoever is of yoruba today is as a result of Nigeria, so outside the country they are seeing as Nigerians not yorubas....
So your fucking notable people are only recognized as Nigerians which is a plus to every Nigerian, but a different scenes for a benin man
And yes just as the yorubas have notable people in the United states so as we edos have, only thst your rat population makes it look you guys have more notable people
macof: The question now is - sent for from where? I would even add why? You can't just come and conjure your imagination and say because history doesn't deal with absolutes therefore you keep claiming the same thing that doesn't add up. At least make the narrative have substance so we can know what leads to follow
And I really don't mean this disrespectfully but Benin has never been a mighty empire... A strong and wealthy kingdom with some imperial significance yes but when we line up MIGHTY Empires, we shouldn't be throwing Benin in there so as not to make African history seem disjointed and disorderly. For context it's like talking about European history and saying Prussia was a mighty empire...no!
I really can't argue against itsekiri ever being part of the Benin empire.. As I said if this was ever the case, it would have been early on around that 15th - 16th century .. Because much later the Portuguese and British clearly deal with Warri as an independent kingdom For a while Warri was West Africa's Kongo in the sense of how much influence Portugal had on the kingdom, you can't compare that relationship with Esan or Bini. If Portuguese people were like you they would be claiming Itsekiri were under Portugal
Fezz: Broaden your scope of knowledge. If I may ask, who gave birth to the first ogiso? In Benin history it is well known that the ogisos represented god on earth. The ogisos where known to have a devine calling but they were humans. I have just told you where the lineage of the ogisos came from, go and do more research.
I agree with you that the urhobos of today's, the kukurukus, the esans etc all migrated in difficult times during that era but they migrated to locations that they knew was already established by their ancestral fathers. Their ancestors (efa, emehi, ihobo) where all brothers to Akka (present day benin city
You saying benins migrated to a place already occupied by their benin ancestors?
Create a thread to all this things you're saying, now is looking like you're biting round the bush
And a Useless 100local government tribe with no global recognition wanna still stick her head out, you think the world is Nigeria, were people brag with number of local govt...
Fezz: I have observed you for a while and to be honest I don't see you as a smart guy. Your rivals are attacking you left, right and centre and all you observed on this thread is to attack me. You are funny. Let me give you words of advise here, it's left for you to heed to my advise or not. It's better for you to go and study the foundational history of other kingdoms under the benin empire such as the urohbos, esans etc. This might shed more light on the missing links that the benins need to have a upper hand against their rivals. Your knowledge on benin history is too narrow and the yorubas are taking advantage of your narrow knowledge.
There is one thing you should understand, the yorubas are hell bent on destroying the benin Kingdom history, they don't mind telling all the lies in this world to accomplish that goal. They are playing dirty and they are quite determined to succeed.
I'm sure you have noticed that its not just the ile-ifes that are debunking the benin history. Everyone of the yoruba tribes are working together to obliterate the benin history out of the history books, but all I see on nairaland is the benins (edo speakers) trying to fight this media war all by themselves. My advise to you is to go and meet your afemai brothers, the esans etc... come together, broaden your knowledge, connect all the missing dots with facts and hit the yorubas hard.
The yorubas have studied benin history to a very large extent and their sole aim to debunk and discredit benin history so that when Nigeria finally divides they will claim the heritage of the benin Kingdom. So you better wise up and step up your game.
Go and do your research on the founding fathers of igodomigodo and you will come across pa idu. Don't attack me next time because I'm not the enemy. Wise up
Nothing like pa idu, and am working harder than you think to connect benin history
I have made many success, just by going through my profile you will see and attest to it, Currently researching on the origin of benin
And i wouldn't be happy someone coming with pa idu fairy-tales that would breed more ground for mythism
And again there is was no pa idu, that gave birth to the various edoid sub group
Auchi towns for example came in early 16Ad after the idah war, and not an imaginary pa idu, that begot such towns, the urhobos resulted from benin mass migration into original urhobos areas and influenced it
Fezz: This statement of yoursome is very funny .. It is obvious you don't know your history. Delta is divided into 3 major groups which are urobho, ijaw and itsekiri. The igbos are settlers there and not true indigens. The benins, esans, kukurukus, urobho, Itshekiris and ijaw all sprang from the same roots known as pa idu. In other words they are all blood brothers. During migration they spread out and created other indigenous settlements in edo/delta state of today.
The igbos migrated into the edo/delta lands through trading and in search of better arable land to farm and the benins welcomed them as visitors but the igbos being whom they always are took that kind gesture and misused it by trying to claim the land they were invited into.
The difference between the Benin Kingdom and the Yorubas is that Benin descendants are all connected by blood, from the benins to the esans, down to the ekweres are all blood connected, while the Yorubas are connected by forcing their language and culture on their subjects. Most people in Yorubas land today were dumped on Yoruba soil and most of them came from seria leon, Gabon etc. The only thing that brought them together is the language known as Yoruba.
Which one be pa idu, who b this guy, what tribe are you?
alfredilly: Why do you bragg in ignorance and assumption. I live in Ondo state; my dad is Ilaje and my mum is from Edo. What makes you think I haven't left the southwest.
You sound absolutely ignorant, that's y i assumed you haven't left sw
Hintona: Some weeks ago I was writing exams, the exams venue was one of the school's laboratory, and the stools were quite uncomfortable, if you've ever been to a school's laboratory you would know what I'm talking about and sometimes the stools are too high for the lab bench and it causes great discomfort. The most comfortable position for me after sitting erect on the stool for over an hour was to lower my back and arch it.
So as I was writing the exams, I can remember I was trying to draw a pathway, when the lecturer invigilating us tried to pass behind me and he touched my butt and said "shift this your small bumbum from the road" and laughed. I found it very offensive. I was so focused on writing that exam that I didn't want to answer him, it's not the kind of course students would like to write twice.
I wasn't the only one on that row who was blocking his path but he told the others merely to shift.
So today I was telling a friend about it and he laughed and said it was nothing. Nothing? Was it your butt that was touched? Right it wasn't and so it's so easy for him to say it is NOTHING. A stranger's hand on your butt is SEXUAL HARASSMENT.
What sort of world am I living in?
It was obvious you for give am slap, i hate men who cant control themselves
Culture › Re: Itsekiri Are Part Of The Greater Oduduwa Family- Ooni by gregyboy(m): 11:03pm On Apr 13, 2021
my stomach aches from endless laughter
