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Everyone should visit my thread on my profile to get the truth behind the political myth of oduduwa in benin

Balogunodua:
are you still around...

Ooh you report me for a ban now i see my enemies

My good ancestors who overseas me here in earth would never allow the evil plans from the yorubas befall me

VirginFinder:
So Oranmiyan did not got to Benin again abi No more Oduduwa is originally Ekaladerhan from Benin...

So Eweka dropped from the sky So 'Oba' came from where

Wherever you hear 'loooonatic', just say 'yes!'

Whether you like it or not, Oranmiyan influence is all over Edo till tomorrow...

Why not prove to me with archeological evidence with written recirds that span from 1890 below
With prove oyo and ife had some ancestral contact

VirginFinder:
So Oranmiyan did not got to Benin again abi No more Oduduwa is originally Ekaladerhan from Benin...

So Eweka dropped from the sky So 'Oba' came from where

Wherever you hear 'loooonatic', just say 'yes!'

Whether you like it or not, Oranmiyan influence is all over Edo till tomorrow...

Eweka was the man who organized benin and formed a monarchy government he was crowned oba of benin


The word ile binu is from itsekiris who described the edo people as angry people to the Portuguese who first meant them at the shores


If you notice it is only Portuguese who called us benin throughout history even the itsekiris called us ado, the other neighbors called us idu and other forms of the word edo


Itsekiris only describes us as ile binu(land of anger) to the Portuguese as a way of warning to the Portuguese to aviod edo


You can thank me later for opening your eyes

Nabajiz:
Yoruba and their lies, there is nothing like baba in Benin

There is bro

VirginFinder:
Yorubas and Edos are 2 different peoples.

However, Oranmiyan and his entourage from Ife left an indelible mark in Edo till tomorrow.

That's the source/cause of all these...

Edos will NEVER stop bearing Yoruba names and worshipping Yoruba deities...

You're madman for that

Can you prove the credibility that ife and oyo had connections in historical past

All this bs stories were writing in the 1900 to politically unite tribes under one ancestory

Oromiyan coming to benin was a big lie, if you want to dubt me bring any record of it from 1897 below......

You will see that there is non and that oromiyan history was made during when benin was still in the western region just to unite benin with the dominant yoruba tribe....
Benin accepted the offer but when it backfired they requested out from western region
When they succeeded they wrote their own myth saying the yoruba oduduwa was from ife, that was the benin counter history


Wise up, dont let the political chess game fool you


Use the last picture to cool your brain

Ideadoctor:
give me Edo etymology of oba,if you claim that oba is indigenous to Edo, then I would give the Yoruba etymology

Would you get out from here,

You dont even know your history you say every clan from yoruba migrated from ife which your brother prove you a lier


Yet same person is looking for the etymology of the world oba


Visit my profile you will find it there.....

Balogunodua:
After you disgraced our ancestors gregyboy you even made her your rag..

Ooh good nice comment from Balogunodua, i hope you have stopped your useless question like the ones you love asking what is the meaning of oba in benin even tho i keep telling you is king

Aka Shinnyseki

Ideadoctor:
Oranmiyan who founded the oba dynasty, gave the name Benin, and those who descended through him are known by these name, but the term Edo is not found in Yoruba vocabulary, the logic there is that the ones called Benin carries oranmiyan blood, and oranmiyan is a Yoruba man

Would you keep quite with your oromiyan myth
Can you even prove oromiyan was from ife not to say him coming to benin


Would you stop indulging in mythical fallacy as history

Do you want me to show you old documents on benin history of oba dynasty which does not support any oromiyan or ife whatsoever


Ife, this and ife that

Nonsense

Etinosa123456:
Simple English what is the meaning of imade in Edo and the one for Yoruba... Do they have the same meaning?

Imade is a benin word meaning i didnt fall

Davio called her daughter imade because is mom is benin and her name was imade


So just go you be oboro man

Gregyboy is back

Can the yorubas come and lick my ass

As they watch me expose their coward ancestors
Once more




Obalufon
TAO11
TAO12
Balogunodua
Newton
Gomojam

Etinosa1234
AreaFada2
Samuk
RedboneSmith

Etrusen
Balogunodua
TAO11
TAO12



Lets debate it here

Etinosa12345:
its showing me just one page

do u have the pdf

lemme pm u?

This

Etrusen:
my problem with you Yoruba's is that you look half message

undeniable the oba said oronmiyan came from ife but you people have refuse finish what he says about oduduwa because that doesn't suit you.

the true story of oduduwa being an individual that sought refuge in ife is with the Olugbo of ugbo land



dont come here to give half scripted page please

You're putting yourself into myth bro, you would endup soiling the thread with myth
You guys should stick to empire debate


TAO11 would mess you up if you debate her on this myth

Are you aware oba eweka11 agreed in 1914 to have been an oduduwa son and he paid homage to ooni and alafin

She will mess you up

Etinosa12345:
pls bro

assist me with the link for the book

https://www.jstor.org/stable/pdf/180445.pdf?refreqid=excelsior%3Ac39e4966e47d057e94d17c9941194586

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.jstor.org/stable/180445&ved=2ahUKEwif8c3qvLrtAhVC4OAKHRvtD2AQFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw0ZvqIBtL3sSVyWfde-eH8y&cshid=1607296219576

Abovebonny:
Oxford definition of "empire": a group of countries or states that are controlled by one ruler or government e.g. the Roman Empire.

Considering Benin's borders never extended beyond the Niger River, let alone outside of Nigeria's boarders, means that it does not qualify for empire status.

The Benin Kingdom was just that, a kingdom.

The map I've provided shows just how small Benin was, comparable in size and influence to the Nri kingdom.

Look at Mali, Songhai, Ghana & Akan these can be classified as empires as they fit the definition perfectly.

I still think The Benin Kingdom was a formidable and rich culture with deep spiritual and militaristic traditions, but they weren't an expansionist enterprise like the other larger west African empires.

Even Oyo, the largest Yoruba kingdom was far greater territorially than Benin.

Please stop overstating history because you have a bias towards a particular topic.

Was oyo really an empire

Babatundey
Balogunodua
Olu317
Obalufon

samuk:
No part of Ekiti was spared the agony of imperialist invasions…The rampaging Benin armies sacked Ogotun, Aramoko, some subordinate communities of Ijero, Ado communities such as Are, Afao, Ugbo (now Ilu) Omoba and Agbado and settled a large percentage of the haul of captives therefrom in Ikere, their garrison post.


Benin armies constantly waged wars of external aggressions on Ekitiland and other communities in different parts of old Ondo State in their quest for territorial expansion and control, among others. A good reference point is the Ado-Ikere relations that resulted to Benin pillage and attacks on Ado-Ekiti on several occasion. Olomola (1984:2-3) noted that Benin armies invaded parts of Ado kingdom a few times between 1500 and 1815.. Olomola further asserted that the Ewi actually devise a strategy of evacuating his capital city so that the Benin armies would not disturb the Ewi and the rest of his people in their new site.
Odo which was, before the Benin invasion a town of considerable size, broke up as the people sought the safety of rocky and forest recesses and Uyin and Igede lost part of their population in their fight against Benin in 1815.

The development of the Ado Kingdom was seriously affected by external invasion. These resulted in series of demographic upheavals with settlements constantly moved from one site to another. The most serious of these external invasions were by the "Edo" of Benin. They attacked and destroyed many settlements…in the Ado Kingdom… The Edos were invited by Ogoga, the third time the Edos were so invited to settle the quarrel between Ado and Ikere. The line of action they resolved to adopt was to bring all the villages under the ewi to Ikere, settle them there and in this way Ikere would be equal or even bigger than Ado. Ado would then be afraid of Ikere. The Benin soldiers came and sent words to the Ewi Aroloye… He refused to surrender. He did not in any way show that he was not ready for fight. Every town or village under him except Ijan were prepared to fight…


Every town or village under him (Ewi) except Ijan were prepared to fight… The Benin soldiers stormed Igbara-Odo and Ilawe and took them. At this time, Ado town had been vacated. Aroloye took the people to a place called Oke Oko Axis between Ifaki and Iworoko. Most of the gods Ado worshipped on that side: Olua at Eyio, Obanifon at Esure and Are, Ogbese and Orisala at Iworoko. The soldiers pitched their camps near Uyin (Iyin)…Ogbesi Okun, the then Oluyin …was conquered and killed. They proceeded to Igede, Awo and Esure and took them. The inhabitants of Igede then uder Okiribiti were driven in a north-easternly direction to a place called Oke Asha…Edo troops then marched to Iworoko…The soldiers entered Are…The same fate befell Afao. They were all taken to Ikere. The soldiers moved to Igbemo …entered Igbo-Omoba (now Ilu-Omoba)…The soldiers left Aisegba for Agbado and without delay took it and evacuated the people. Agbado was the last place under the Ewi. With the conquest, of Agbado, the soldiers seemed to have finished their job…’

Ewi Idagunmodo (1696-1710), Ewi Okinbaloye Aritawekun (1710-1722), Ewi Amono Ola (1722-1762), Ewi Afunbiowo (1762-1781), Ewi Akulojuorun (1781-1808), Ewi Aroloye (1808-1836) who reigned at Ado but were attacked successively by Benin hordes…‘During the reign of Ewi Aroloye, Ado-Ewi’s kingdom witnessed massive dislocation across the terrain as town dwellers and villagers ran for safety in different directions. Many of the captives from Iworoko, Are, Afao, Ugboomoba (now Ilumoba) and Agbado were taken to Ukere by Benin invaders’."

This one sweet me

My yoruba brother's while i was reading i forgot it waant a movie, i got lost in my imagination, i hope you all would be able to sleep well tonight

TAO11 aka amazing dullard
TAO12 Aka obsessed
Gomojam
Macof
Olu317
Obalufon
Balogunodua
Omolofin aka gaylord

TAO11:
The statement attributed to a certain Alaafin along the lines that Oyo-Ile paid tributes (during some reign before his) to Benin is at best a misrepresentation by the reporter and for the following reason:

(1) There isn’t a single account from the vast corpus of Oyo’s traditional oral literature (as well from its earliest written volume — circa.1700) which may be adduced to remotely substantiate such report.

Yet Oyo traditions admit in clear unequivocal terms that Oyo-Ile, in its early centuries, had to pay tributes to the now defunct kingdom of Owu-Ipole. Owu-Ipole for that matter.

The same Oyo traditions admit in unambiguous terms that Oyo-Ile only managed to survive military attacks from the Bariba and the and the Nupe among other disasters clearly admitted in its traditions.

(2) The demographic nature of the Oyo-Ile kingdom (as a frontier settlement up north amidst Bariba and Nupe frontier settlements) supports and agrees with these statements admitted in its tradition.

However, the same report fails to gel (no matter how far we stretch our imagination) with the respective demographic settings of the Oyo-Ile and Benin kingdoms.

It simply makes zero geographical sense that Benin kingdom (which did not obtain tributes from all the kingdoms lying to its west between itself and Oyo-Ile) somehow managed to do so from distant Oyo-Ile.

(3) There isn’t a single account from the vast corpus of Benin’s traditional oral and written literature which may be adduced to even faintly support such report.

As may be expected, the Benin traditions (written or oral) certainly would not have missed the “golden opportunity” of incorporating such an event of imperial nature into its corpus had it ever occurred even slightly.

(4) Similar examples of such proven misrepresentations may be found in reports from Benin.

One interesting example of this is Roupell’s report of statements supposedly from Benin officials along the lines that Benin knew nothing about bronze casting prior to the Portuguese’s arrival in Africa.

This statement proves to be a misrepresentation (or at least an exaggeration of an actual statement) when the contrary vast and overwhelming indigenous accounts of Benin are considered.

Moreover, dating techniques also place some (at least one of Benin bronze that I’m aware of to a date prior to the Portuguese’s arrival in Africa — thus also proving that this report is a misrepresentation (or at least an exaggeration of actual local statement).

———————
In the light of the foregoing considerations which outrightly uncovers such reports as an exaggeration (or at least a misrepresentation ) by the reporter, what then appears to have been the actual context supported by multiple independent reports is as follows:

During the wake of Oyo’s civil crisis (towards the end of its imperialism), Oyo did a number of military outsourcing to swell the size of its army in preparation for decisive engagements against a very large Ilorin army which comprises majorly of Oyo Islamic converts, Fulanis, and fugitive Hausa slaves.

The traditions of Oyo are extremely clear about such military outsourcings where it speaks of military allies from the Bariba country, as well as a report from Clapperton of effort to also outsource the Benin army for the same purposes. These outsourcing efforts as may be expected would not have come free of charge on a plater of gold.

In fact, at the the time of Oyo’s imperial rule, we read in Archibald Dalzel’s “The History of Dahomey, (1793)” that Oyo sometimes pays its allies to punish provincial rebellions on its behalf by military action and economic embargo.

An example of its payments to its “Lagos” ally in order to punish Badegree may be found on page 183 of the above-referenced material.

The King of “Lagos”, acting on behalf of Oyo (but not without payments), prevented the Badagrees from receiving food supply from “Lagos” while also taking many Badagrees as captives for its own use.

In the light of this background, payment to its allies for military engagement appears clearly to be the only explanation for the misrepresentation of the report.

This explanation gels with the fact of Oyo’s civil troubles which was prior to 1911.

This explanation gels with the pre-1911 Clapperton’s report on Oyo’s interest in enlisting its Benin allies among other allies to quell a large provincial rebellion.

This explanation gels with the absolute silence of such statements from the vast corpus of both Benin traditions and Oyo traditions.

Lastly, this explanation gels with the demographic absurdity consequent from the report.

Cheers!

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You're a waste, and an amazingly dull student
Imagine you were not in the usa your condition would have been more worst


All i saw in your write up was gel are you working for gel company sha na grammar you won speak

You tried to debunk it, but u couldn't so you resulted to rant, i will surely be using that writeup against you all, till you can fully address it

Balogunodua:

My yoruba brother's always wish they can change the hands of time

Etrusen:
OK her brother is omolofin?

Nope that is one of her third dunce account

Reading the news these days is tiring, just bunch of political clowns playing nigeria 419 with their everyday drama


Abeg wen b d next endsars protest, my paliatives don dey finsh

Etrusen:
is tao male

Yes her brothers confirmed it to me

TAO11:
They have started again oo.

Their small tribe syndrome seems to have kicked hard again oo.


Shall we debunk their delusions again or let it slide this time thus causing them to have something to kill their depressions from prior threads ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??

Drop it, drio everything you got we aren't coward
I decided to stay clear

The moment you go silly, you would regret it bro


Someone just confirmed youre gay disgusting

Etrusen:
have gotten it

Nice

Naso, no need go church again, nairaland dont get service online

The dear black cat, could be carrying messages from your village personae, you dont want to offend it, and to crown it all this is the month of December go to the village and do the needful
Is either you do the needful now or your village peeps would perhaps do the needful to you,

Anyhow you waka we go read am for nairaland

springtech:
I sincerely hope you are not a bitter soul with this statement.
Despite all the projects worth several millions of $$ executed by his companies as stated in the article, and many others not mentioned here and you still think he mined skulls?

That's really serious.

BTW, if you are reading this and you are yet to know Jesus, I encourage you to come to him tonight.
He is the way the truth and the life.
The way to the Father.
Jesus Loves you.

Who knows he minned skulls and use investment to save face......

Anyone

samuk:
Below is how the Alaafin of Oyo described the Oba of Benin in time past.

The Alaafin in 1911 seems to have provided his own idea of the power the kings of Benin had once held, from an African (Oyo Yoruba) perspective.

Anyway, the statement from Clapperton:

1. "In the evening we had a visit from the king (Alaafin of Oyo), to thank me for the presents I had given him, and again to assure me of being welcolme; said that he wanted nothing, unless it was something that would speedily cause the submission of the rebels. He said that he had sent to his friend the king of Benin for troops to assist him in the war."

- Hugh Clapperton, Journal of a Second Expedition Into the Interior of Africa, from the Bight of Benin to Soccatoo


2. "The kingdom of Benin was so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told a British governor that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its king." - Asibong Akpan Okon, The evolution of self-government of Nigeria (1955), p. 36

Asibong Okon was referring to this:

"This Kingdom of Benin was at one time so powerful that the Alafin of Oyo, the head of the Yoruba people, told me that even his predecessors had to pay tribute to its King." - United Empire, Volume 2 (1911), p. 620

https://books.google.com/books?newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&id=AE45AQAAMAAJ&dq=predecessors+pay+tribute

Nice one

TAO11:
Lol.

Did you also the screenshot where he himself confessed that I debunk his lies?

The screeshot tollyboy5 called you an amazing dullard