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Bacteriologist:
Sorry, You're not actually this dumb are you?

1. It CANNOT be termed consensual. Why? Because Busola was **BELOW** the age of consent as at the time of the incident. D you understand? I cannot dumb it down further for you.

2. Know what birth certificates are for?? No, Dumbo. It is used to ascertain the ages of people. I'm sure COZA will document her date of assignment into positions in the church so with the help of those documents and her birth certificate, her age as at the time of the incident can be determined.

Why are a lot of rape apologists unintelligent?

calm down. The age of consent in Kwara state is 16yrs. Although the law was passed in 2006, prior to that, there was no definite age of consent in Kwara. Therefore, the lawyers can easily prove that the sex was consensual and if there were law that time for age of consent it would have been 16yrs.

emmy9688:
I finally jumped out of an airplane as i had always dream't of.
Have never been this scared all my life!
If you saw any smile on my face, just be sure that it was fake.
Quite an experience but a highly dangerous adventure.
Video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svrQGLKBY20

this same guy was my instructor when I went skydiving too.

Elesta:
Thank you so much. Each time I threaten to pack out of the house, you need to see the way he will start begging and even call people to beg me. I think he has a serious psychological problem. Chronic inferiority complex has affected him so much, it's now psychological. He doesn't have parents anymore but his elder brother is very reasonable and always scolds him when I report him. I need to talk to him. but I am scared of raising children in such an environment .my parents don't want me to leave bcoz of what people will say. I wish I can just travel out. that might b d best option. but getting visa isn't easy. We work in the same place,thats why I haven't left him since bops of plenty talk

See the way this one just turned husband to demon on nairaland as if she is faultless. Your age and previous fibroid operation gave me the clue.Two things....did you tell him you had a fibroid operation before getting married? From experience, most women that had a fibroid operation done prior to marriage usually had a very big fibroid that would have been impossible to get pregnant without removing it first. So they usually remove it first without telling the prospective man else most men would be scared at least in Africa. And they usually come down with adhesion meaning even the menses may no longer be coming. And they usually tell them to marry fast else the fibroid would grow back. So...it is you rather than the pastor or the man that forced the man into the marriage. Being in his mid forties, age is not also on his side, so having visited a doctor with you, he learnt about all these and became naturally anxious. His low sperm count is a late finding. Usually at his age, the sperm count may be a little low but with medical support he can impregnate. However, a combination of a woman with post myomectomy adhesion and low sperm at mid thirties and forties respectively is a tight one especially when the marriage was that of convenience. Stop demonising this man. You know what you did. Leave him for his own good.

NB
The fact that you are seriously looking for visa means you understand perfectly what I am saying. If you divorce him, getting a partner in Nigeria will be a challenge and you know it. Married @ 35yrs, previous fibroid operation, no pregnancy being the major reason for the divorce...every other thing na cover up. Risk of fibroid recurrence within 3yrs. Madam, be humble for once. While I am not saying you should die in a loveless marriage, stop making it look like you are the best woman the man can get and that he is not appreciating you. For Christ sake you are also abusing him emotionally. Your rant here shows it. By the way, I am a medical doctor who have counselled several couples in similar situation so I know exactly what I am saying.

playcharles:
Thanks to everyone who assisted me one way or the other. I went for the interview on 30th May 2019. Total expenses N18,900

Total Payment: N17,800
Stamp at High court: N1000
File: N100

Time spent at Ikoyi Passport office: 9:06am - 11:15am (2hrs 9mins)

Note:
0. Walk in to any business centre around and seek for assistance on how to arrange your file, if you are lucky to meet a nice person, he/she might end up assisting you with other document in the file.

1. Always ask questions

2. Try and locate any Top Immigration Officers (some) for your questions ( them don see money tire, so they are not interested in your change)

3. Avoid Junior Immigration Officers (most), them go always locate their fish.

4. Try locate Servicom ( If they ask from who, just be bold and avoid that question, tell them all your documents are arrange and complete and you are here for documentation and capturing).

5. At Servicom, avoid two shaprapra women by the name Musa or Bello or so, try dealing with Akpan, he is mature and responsible with is approach. At Servicom they will direct you to one opposite building called PTD or sometime.

6. Once you start moving from one stand to the other for stamp and signatures... Always ask questions of what next. The movement is direct. (Go with your original origin certificate and date of birth)

Those immigrations guys go always catch their fish once you are not prepared or you chose to use them.

I sight you

Guest2017:
Hi guys, I’ve been following this thread and I think i need help on a particular payment I made wrongly
I learnt I’m supposed to apply for “standard e-passport” I hover wrongly applied and paid for “official e-passport” online.
Please how do I rectify this?

Ur kind respond will b appreciated

you will pay another money. That one is gone

Where was the pad forgotten? Her vagina? It is possible they used the pad to pack her vagina to minimize or control bleeding after delivery. A careless nurse may forget it but usually the woman feels uncomfortable. She will start producing foul smelling odour and possibly vagina discharge within a few days. However, if she is saying they forgot the pad within her abdomen it will mean she was operated so that will be a lie. There is no way the doctor will do C section and forget a 3rd baby. Not possible because the doctor will repair back the womb so he would have seen the 3rd baby. But the first scenario I painted is possible and a 3rd baby with a separate placenta may be left in situ.

Jamzig1:
You can maybe consider Binatone Orbit Fan (16" - 35W...Check Jumia or Konga

Are u sure sir? I just googled it and it is 450w sir

tactius:
And let Nigerians and their government agencies pay their bills too.

People not paying up are making things bad for those of us who pay.

And this problem has been there from the days of NEPA.

I hate saying this, but facts is facts.

When GSM came to Nigeria, service was bad, but we paid high amounts then, and the money was invested in improving things. And prices went down.

Why are we shortchanging our discos?

And why expect light 24/7? We generate 5000mw. We need to get up to 20000mw or more. That costs money. Where are we going to get it? From the sky.

You are free to abuse me. I am tired of Nigerians who want free stuff. Nothing is free in Freetown.

Good morning

this early morning, you are just ranting. You talked about GSM, was it not the same Nigerians that paid for the poor services of the GSM in the early days before they improved? So? Why are they not paying now? The problem has been solved for you. Give them prepaid meter exactly like prepaid recharge cards that GSM people are using. You buy card, you get light. You don't buy card no light. Let us see who will not pay. But the discos want to keep collecting money without generating appropriate light. They know with prepaid, if an area don't have light for weeks, they don't get paid for weeks. So the discos are the fraudsters here not Nigerians. Direct your rant to the proper channel

Valto:
go for dc ceiling fans, new pc/laptop model that consumes less than 60w, then put your TV on energy saving mode, change energy bulbs to 9w led bulbs(CTORCH product very bright) ALL PROBLEM SOLVED!

tnks bro..that is my mission in the next two weeks. Reducing as many loads as possible using energy saving appliances

wirinet:
I don't know how the other package would have worked. DC loads are only appropriate for small loads, but for loads of up to 1000w, you need an AC inverter system.
Nothing wrong with the inverter system, the only problem is your battery capacity, ie run time. If you can add 4 more batteries and 2 more panels, you should be alright.
In the alternative, you can reduce the load by replacing your appliances with energy efficient ones, change the desktop to laptop, change the fans to energy efficient ones, change the 42 in TV for 32 in ones and change the energy saving bulbs for LED ones. If you can reduce total load to about 700w, you will be OK.

Thanks so much. I will change all the fans In the coming week first to energy saving fans. So also all the remaining bulbs on it. Thanks so much for your input

wirinet:
The 33 bulb package is sound and will not give any issues. I like the fact that it runs directly from the controllers and hence no inverters. The whole 33 bulbs consume just 165watts, on a 12v system, the total amp drawn will not be more than 13.5a. With your battery being 400ah, a 12 hour night use will draw a total of 165ah. That's barely 40% DOD. Meanwhile the 6 solar panels will provide an average of 200ah per day.

For the inverter system things are a bit more complicated. Your load are certainly big, unless you are using a laptop which consumes about 80w, a desktop can consume up to 300w. 13 ceiling fans at an average of 80w, that's over 1000w. Then the LED TVs depending on size and make consumes about 35w each. You are looking at a total load of about 1500w, if running all loads at once. Running 1000w for 8hrs will run your battery down to 80%DOD, at which point your inverter will trip off.
Note that running your battery consistently at 80%DOD will kill your batteries within 6 to 8 months.

You are right. I am beginning to see sense in this. I just don't know how to re plan this. I would have gone with the other packages of that man with direct solar cos he has ready made packages. Like packages for 9 fans, 15 fans etc. Unfortunately, most of our electrical wares runs concurrently. We can have a full ward most times meaning up to 15 fans May even be on at the same time. The two TVs are 42 inches thereabout and usually on concurrently. The computer is almost permanently on. I think that was why separate packages would have been the best for me but I didn't know how to calculate those loads.

mctfopt:
13 ceiling fans (especially the non energy saving fans which I saw someone selling her for 25k) is approximately 1300W which is a bit high considering the number of batteries you have. Hence the reason it may go off compared to the 5w bulbs system (5w*33bulbs= a mere 165w) whose load is much smaller.

okay. But they are normal ceiling fans. Are there energy saving ceiling fans maybe I can replace all the fans too. The fans are the normal ceiling fans we were using before as well as one small ox fan( the smallest size) which we put off by 11pm. Are u saying someone is selling energy saving fan here for 25k or what?

earthrealm:
not a good option, having 3 different setups in 1 house, omo this your installer, one of his names na kazeeem?, or his uncle ni?
1 simple package is best, would advice you stick to normal ac fans, solar/dc fans are not worth the stress in wiring, unless it has a dc/ac convertor, get 4 x 200ah batt, 6 x 250w panels, a 60amp charge controller, and you shud be fine, but if you are totally offgrid, u can make the panels 8.

33 bulbs!!..& you didnt state the wattage. seems u put bulbs on your fence, would advice you to change the bulbs to 5w or 6w bulbs,

Once again, thanks for your input. I now have two systems. Like I said, I paid for that 33 bulbs package first. It came with 33 LED solar bulbs(DC), 2 controllers, 2 200 amp batteries and 6 100w panels. The bulbs were 5w but very bright. I told him to create a completely new points for the 33 bulbs apart from security lights. He did it in such a way that the security lights goes by 7pm on its own and goes off by 7am on its own. Based on your advice, I now got a new single unit using my fformer 3.5kva inverter. This new company brought 4 200ah ALL GRAND BATTERIES, 6 340W SOLAR PANELS, 60AMP CHARGE CONTROLLER. I TOOK most of the bulbs away from from the unit allowing the initial 33 bulbs to run. So I have tested the two systems but I must confess, the guy with the 33 bulbs system is more reliable and efficient. I would have gone for his other packages. Why? The light is never off come what may. I run a hospital within but we don't put any big thing on the solar inverter other than one computer unit, 2 LED TVs and about 13 ceiling fans with some energy bulbs. But the single unit still trips off sometimes around 4am once there is no light. And you have the inverter to control as you wish. But for the direct solar...no inverter, you have nothing to worry about. You don't care about overloading it. Just on light and go. I think they have calculated it so much cos I begged him to make it 35points even if I will buy the bulbs and other stuffs but he said he was only generating energy to sustain the 33 bulbs for 24hrs. He said he could do it such that the light will only go on when someone enters the room and goes off when they leave but I told him I don't want. It means during the day, as long as someone is in the room, light must go on. Since there is light, we can as well put it off rather than running the battery down fast. So far so good, I have less to worry about the direct solar. Just press switch, you have light. No inverter to beep. Nothing to do at a for now. But the solar inverter ..you need to consider the load so you don't run down the battery fast. For the solar, it has been well structured for you. I am still observing the two systems but so far so good, it has never failed to bring bright lights both day and night. I would have considered his solar fan package too cos he said that one too will run anytime without failure but I didn't believe him.

The scammer is trying to sell same account to me saying he is a student. He gave me a username that is banned. Eureker. I traced the idiot and got him. When I showed him your post, he quickly told me he had sold the account. Idiot

davodyguy:
Your first line of response is contradictory with the highlights, saying 'Not True'.

You later admitted you're lucky. Yes you're very lucky, that's it and not because you raised any alarm

Read the posts on this thread and see what people who tried normal route are going through. Despite raising alarm, they're yet to get their passports printed.

My point remains valid that things aren't normal at NIS offices Nationwide

Bros, know what you want. Most of those people you are talking about didn't read about the requirement very well on the internet before getting there so they easily chicken out. The truth is....gather those documents exactly as stipulated there. You do interview in two places after the documents are well arranged. Go to nearby cyber cafe....they already know how to arrange it. Infact, those xybercafes already have fake guarantors, fake state of origin that those officers normally use. Buy a file there. Arrange it and go inside. Once they know you know what you are doing, you won't have problem and it is not that difficult but most Nigerians are lazy then come back to blame the people exploiting them. I told you I did something you are talking about luck only. They actually wanted to frustrate but I've read all the requirements ahead and I stood my ground. For example if I don't know about it, I would get stucked at the level of state of origin.i wouldn't want to go to village to get it so I would rather pay. Those are the issues. But I told them since the two parents have passports and the names are on the birth certificate why would they need state of origin. At the court, I needed to go and queue in a bank just to pay 100 naira for affidavit, some guys were using paga close by with 500 naira. Don't discourage people. I met several people there that came all the way from Lagos as early as 8am and we all finished around the same time cos I gathered my documents myself already and paid online and printed all the acknowledgement online. I just added luck to it...but it is very doable

CEOwatazs:
guy, I will advice you to enter your room, lock it up, kneel down and thank God for the disqualification.


I wished I was disqualified when Polaris bank invited me for aptitude test or better still I wished they never invited me in the first place. after passing tru the aptitude test, goin to Lagos fr interview I was sent a regret letter.




this banks will make u think all is well but all is not well. imagin going to Kano from gombe state fr aptitude test and gombe to Lagos for interview...... think abt the expenses,the little money I was having managin ma life is now gone.


the whole system in Nigeria is a mess up.... you need connection for everything.



maybe God is hlpin u to avoid sm unnecessary expenses. when ur tym come biliv me bro no one will disqualify u.



cheer up .... I understand that feelings

Bros....that you travelled from gombe to Kano for interview does not mean the bank must employ an incompetent applicant now. So you want to blackmail them into employing you. If they employ everybody that applied where will they get money to pay salaries. They have employed the best. If there are private nursery schools around, apply there for now. When you gain enough experience teaching kindergarten class, you can put it in your CV and maybe, just maybe they can employ you. For now, no be say you no no person, you no just qualify. Stop using emotional blackmail

Bros....you be Methuselah ? We know you need the job but if you can't be truthful in age that is just a number, why should we put you behind money which is the root of all evils. Your experience is needed in the adult school. You will make a good teacher in adult literacy class since your mates will be there. You will just flow naturally. You slapped me?

davodyguy:
Things are not normal in Nigeria at all. I know things are hard, but if you want to follow due process, I'm sorry, you'll have to wait a long time.

I live in Lagos and had to travel to Abeokuta to renew my passport. Isn't that insanity? I did it in Alausa, 5 years ago, but same Alausa told me to bring ₦60,000 to get it renewed. Is that a normal thing?

In Ogun State, I paid ₦35,000 and was assisted by a high ranking immigration officer. I saw how my file was smuggled in for me to capture, while others that wanted normal route had no hope of being captured. They kept them in a hall, without treating their files.

Nigeria is becoming a failed state

Not true. I applied online for my kids and chose abeokuta. I printed the forms and went there with my wife and both our passports. The moment i got there they wanted to frustrate me, i raised my voice slightly and stood my ground. They said they needed a guarantor i told them i am guaranteeing my children . They said i should go to high court and swear affidavit. luckily it was a stone throw from the office. i did that within thirty minutes. They requested for state of origin....i told them since both the mother and father have passports i dont need that again. I went to the business centre close by. Luckily the woman there was the one arranging the files for the officers themselves. she arranged them for me and i took it around for signing myself. We got to the office by 12noon and by 4,30 they did capturing and i got all the passports in five days. This was last year october though i dont know about today. The truth is my own is even more genuine because the officers usually arrange fake guarantors and fake state of origin for you when you pay them. I didnt pay a kobo extra....i repeat i didnt pay a kobo extra. I may be lucky though but that was how i saved a lot on 3 children

earthrealm:
not a good option, having 3 different setups in 1 house, omo this your installer, one of his names na kazeeem?, or his uncle ni?
1 simple package is best, would advice you stick to normal ac fans, solar/dc fans are not worth the stress in wiring, unless it has a dc/ac convertor, get 4 x 200ah batt, 6 x 250w panels, a 60amp charge controller, and you shud be fine, but if you are totally offgrid, u can make the panels 8.

33 bulbs!!..& you didnt state the wattage. seems u put bulbs on your fence, would advice you to change the bulbs to 5w or 6w bulbs,

Thanks so much. Unfortunately, i got replies here late but ive only paid 500k for the lightning package alone. He bought two 200ah luminous batteries, 6 100 watts panel and 33 solar bulbs. i will allow him to install his 33 bulbs tomorrow and like you advised, i will now buy batteries and panels for my 3.5kva luminous inverter. Actually, i have close to 80 bulbs so the remaining 40+ bulbs will be on the 3.5kva with your specification above and about 14 fans. Actually, i have a hospital behind and a duplex for my residence in front that is the reason why the number of bulbs is that much

Hello house. I am a complete novice. i was using a 3.5kva inverter before. The four batteries got flat and i am planning to upgrade to solar. The quotation i got is for different solutions.
1 SOLAR LIGHTNING...This is just to power about 33 bulbs
He said he will bring 33 solar bulbs, 6 solar panels, 2 controllers, 2 200ah batteries.
This package cost 500k.
2 SOLAR FAN PACKAGE= he will bring 9 solar fans, 3 batteries 100ah, 3 solar panels, 1 controller. This package cost 480k
3 A package for just two TVS and one computer= 3 solar panels, 1 controller, 2 batteries 150ah, one inverter 1.2kva.
This package cost 300k. total is one million, two hundrend and eighty thousand.
The package appears interesting to me because different solutions are controlling the light, the fans and the TV so all cant go down at once but i dont know wether the package is a good idea . He promised that we can even go off the grid for the fans, light and tv and then use generator when we want or PHCN for freezers etc.

Yankee101:
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Don't stick to only your field. Be versatile. Some things are very basic knowledge.

After reading the link I'll accept your apologies please

https://nuc.edu.ng/project/accreditation/


The NUC is empowered by law to lay down Minimum Academic Standards (MAS) for universities in the Federation and to accredit their degrees programmes. This led to the preparation, with the use of experts, of the Minimum Academic Standards for the 13 disciplines taught in Nigerian Universities in 1989. The disciplines are; Administration, Agriculture, Arts, Basic Medical Sciences, Education, Engineering and Technology, Environmental Sciences, Law, Medicine and Dentistry, Pharmaceutical Sciences, Sciences, Social Sciences and Veterinary Medicine.

in addition .....this is the latest about ekiti state medical school which has been running without accreditation and so...no graduation. Leave internet....it is not everything you see on google

Yankee101:
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Don't stick to only your field. Be versatile. Some things are very basic knowledge.

After reading the link I'll accept your apologies please

https://nuc.edu.ng/project/accreditation/


The NUC is empowered by law to lay down Minimum Academic Standards (MAS) for universities in the Federation and to accredit their degrees programmes. This led to the preparation, with the use of experts, of the Minimum Academic Standards for the 13 disciplines taught in Nigerian Universities in 1989. The disciplines are; Administration, Agriculture, Arts, Basic Medical Sciences, Education, Engineering and Technology, Environmental Sciences, Law, Medicine and Dentistry, Pharmaceutical Sciences, Sciences, Social Sciences and Veterinary Medicine.

let me reply you for the last time. NUC only gives the university the go ahead to start medical school and that is where their accreditation ends. That is why you see many medical schools running for 15yrs without accreditation and without their students graduating. Like Ekiti state medical school has been running for years without accreditation from medical council so no graduation. MDCN must do accreditation for part 1 MBBS, part two part 3 and part 4 before you can even write exams not to talk of graduating. They insist on the number of lecturers they want, the facilities, the curriculum. So, stop assuming you know by pulling a redundant document from the internet. Medicine is not studied online. You go to medical school.

Yankee101:
I like it when people who never went to standard
schools assume the disfucntion they went through was norm.

It's like saying because lectures are asking for sex before you get marks or forcing students to come to school on Easter day is the norm

The NUC has a set standard for the number of hours each activity is supposed to take, meeting and passing a minimum qualifies you. These are the basis for accreditation.

If your senior registrar or consultant tells you to come at times outside of your normal rotation it does not mean they or you are right.

Please go to a standard school for your post grad. You've obviously been abused by a wrong system and now you have Stockholm syndrome, hence defending them up and down.

Pele. In simple terms, teach us how to calculate GP. And for your information, NUC don't set curriculum for medicine. They are not even responsible for accreditation of medical schools. It is medical and dental council. Until you are humble enough to admit you are delving into uncharted waters that you know exactly nothing about, you will keep fooling yourself

Yankee101:
If you knew how a university works you'll know your hours of course equals credit unit

Waka pass. I don't know how it works. You said you know maths. You know how to calculate GP for us. So teach me here...I am waiting so I can know how to calculate medical courses without knowing the units. And for your information, medical courses has no allocated hours ..we have rotations in different units which includes unscheduled hours in clinics, wards, Grand rounds, seminars, lectures etc. So we call it medical posting. Medical school is not your regular University course. You won't understand how it runs by assuming on nairaland

Yankee101:
See where you display crass ignorance

Most universities require you to undergo a minimum of 150 credits before graduation.

ALL pre and clinical courses are university weighted and count towards your final degree before the university says...s/he has met ALL the requirements (including character) to be awarded such and such degree.

Just because you saw 70 as your score only does not mean the univeristy doesn't know or counts it as A or 60 as B.

simple question....based on Nigeria University system , how do you calculate GP without knowing the course unit? Just tell us and stop embarrassing yourself. We told you medicine is not graded you are rumbling. Medical courses has no credits attached to them except in 100level. So it is not graded. Get that into your head and stop displaying your ignorance here

Yankee101:
And the score is not a grade abi?

Gimme any naija medical transcript and i can caclulate the equivalent CGPA for you.

If you don't know this (i know most medical students are usually maths deficient, still) then throw your degree away please.

in your attempt to look smart you are fooling yourself....so how do you know a five unit course? How do you know a two unit course and how do you calculate the GP?

Yankee101:
Have you ever heard or transcripts?

So is it beans they compute when you obtain your transcript?

You are arguing what you don't know. They only compute CGPA for us in 100level which was considered pre- medical. Afterwards, you either pass or fail. Your transcript only reflect your scores

Yankee101:
Lol. Bush man

Thanks. I left medical school 15yrs ago....however, we all do MBBS exam and the curriculum was universal. No grading in medicine

Yankee101:
There's a difference between grading and degree classification. If it's not graded you won't know who passed or not. It simple English.

That it is unclassified does not mean a CGPA is not being computed for you.

Your final degree is unclassified but you get graded from 100 to 600 level.

That's how their school runs, it been for decades and best students have been awarded accordingly.

It applies to all courses in the Bermuda triangle...pharmacy , vet and human medicine

We don't use CGPA in medicine. They don't compute it

Yankee101:
It has grades.

Just that B is the minimum pass grade for clinicals

and you are saying what you don't know. Anyway, I left medical school 15yrs ago....things might have changed but medicine was not graded. You either pass or fail.

ImaIma1:
The case was already a lost case because she herself rejected it and she is a adult. Her family going to court was a waste of time and resources.

you didn't read well. The doctor lost his license until supreme Court ruled in his favour. Search for the case on the internet. Lawyers can twist case for you.

ImaIma1:
I guess they should stubbornly build their own hospitals and employ JW doctors, nurses, staff...so that they won't keep suing for suing sake

There is a well celebrated case that happened to a Jehovah witness doctor in ikeja. A woman needed transfusion. An adult. She refused since she was a Jehovah's witness. The first doctor who is not a witness referred. The husband now took her to a Jehovah's witness doctor. Being a member of their sect, he agreed not to tranfuse and the woman died. Now the siblings of the woman(not the husband) now sued the Jehovah's witness doctor that HE DIDNT TRANSFUSE NOT BECAUSE THE WOMAN IS A WITNESS BUT BECAUSE THE DOCTOR IS A WITNESS THEREFORE USING HIS FAITH TO KILL THE WOMAN. The argument was, if the doctor had not been a witness, he wouldn't have agreed not to transfuse if so his faith rather than the faith of the patient was the determining factor. Medical council revoked the license of the doctor. He went to appeal court. It was upheld. He later went to supreme Court where it was held that since the woman had earlier rejected the transfusion with a doctor that was not a witness, she would have rejected it with a doctor of her faith too had it been the Jehovah's witness doctor offered it too. The mistake the Jehovah's witness doctor made was that...being a witness...HE DIDNT GET A WRITTEN CONSENT FROM THEM THAT HE OFFERED THEM BLOOD BUT THEY REFUSED so there was no evidence he offered them. So it was believed that despite knowing the patient needed, he refused to offer them since HE WAS A WITNESS NOT BECAUSE THE PATIENT WAS A WITNESS. Bottom line is this, a doctor must be experienced in dealing with these people. Some of them will beg you behind that doctor, once my Jehovah's family leave, give my wife blood but don't let anyone know. Just make him sign and carry on