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Thunder fire Mirallas. Upon 6 goals, you no fit give me 1 assist sef. Bastard.

Lukaku got more points than my whole team combined at this point.

Hahaha. Even Zouma dey do stepover.

These guys done spoil my clean sheet for FPL.

Fabrepaaaaaaaaaassssss!!!!

We must return that 3-0 today o. One more to go.

Nihilist:
Take ons and dribbles are the same thing

Una English too much. Hazard has done at least 20+ dribbles in this match.

Nihilist:
How many can you see here?

Which one be take ons again? Una English too much abeg.

Airmark, you need to make gif of how Hazard spun Coquelin like tornado during that move.

Man I thought I was watching WWE there

Chelsea fans singing Arsene Wenger, we want you to stay

amodu:
My people will call it Television Goal

Haaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrddddd!!!!

Raumdeuter, come and see o.

Nihilist, is he still on 4 dribbles only for this match?

Couuuuuuuuuurtoooooiiisss!!!!

Nihilist:
Superbly my ass. Ball has just be going past him as if he's not there. The only noteworthy thing he's done is win the ball for Costa to squander

Then you need to learn what midfield play is all about.

Leave matter make we watch match

Arsenal are too easy to penetrate. We suppose don score 3 by now

Unlimited22:
Hope ibime and nihilist are seeing matic today.

Playing superbly

Hazard just dribble 2 men in his own box. Opta no go count that one

Costa your father. Selfish git.

Walcott see you later. Nihilist are you counting the dribbles

Alonso is very good attacking wise, forget o

Na embarrassment carry Bellerin comot for that pitch. Nothing do am

Since I sold this Alonso in FPL, the guy just dey garner points anyhow, Chai.

Alooooooooooonsooooooo!!!

Conteddicted please diss him again so he can score again!

Cassava, why

Courtois don start him nonsense

So Wenger cannot find £32m and £110k a week for Kante but he can find it for Granit Xhaka?

It's like his village people are calling him.

This guys name is a walking punchline.

Fortunato is really embracing his whitewashed public persona. Fooling Nigerians since 2000 bc.

airmark:

Arsenal will release tribute and even build statue outside Emirates when Drogba retires

And Bayern will do the same for Petr Cech after all those saves and penalty saves

airmark:


How would barca ever forget this legend ?

Who can forget who made or scored 7 goals against them?

Nihilist:
This is why I said you should go and and bring another data source thar supports your argument.

Opta did not mention anything like yards or metres I'm their definition so I don't understand why you keep referring to phantom metrics.

Go and bring another data source that has conflicting interpretations of what a succesful dribble is and compare Mahrez stats. Till then we can only conclude that there is only one standard for measuring dribbles - the Opta way

Are you going to deny that Hazard dribbles at least 20 niggas per match with a straight face?

Why should I accept their definition of 4 dribbles per match when I can think for myself and have eyes to count for myself?

That's why I told you I don't know what they are recording. Go and bring one match where they recorded 3 dribbles for Hazard, let me go and bring the highlight video of that match, let's count it together

Nihilist:
I'm sorry can you please replicate these rules you're mentioning in the Opta definition I posted?

Also what is the subjectivity there? We know for example that the EPL as an organisation, Chelsea as a football club, and whoscored as a website all use the stats and definitions that Opta provide - so we know that there is no ambiguity when it comes to the meaning of dribbles.

If you want to prove that there is subjectivity then you should provide another data source recording Mahrez with different dribble stats.

I'll wait.

Proof of objectivity is not by who uses the data.

You think the users of the data are not intelligent enough to know the weight, importance and objectivity of each metric?

The subjectivity is clearly proven by the fact someone has to make a judgement call on what is counted as being clear of a defender in a dribble. Hazard who dribbles at least 30 ninjas per game is obviously not being defined as being clear of 90% of them but Adama Traore who push the ball 20 yards down the line like a mumu is counted.

The users of the data will never use such data to conclude that Adamumu is a better dribbler than Hazard. So don't confer objectivity on the data by their use of it. It is there for their clients interpretation.

I cannot use P&L alone to judge whether a company is a going concern. There might be asset revaluation affecting profit figures. There might be long term loans due and poor cash position on the balance sheet etc. There might be obsoleteness of main product going forward etc. But it is not a tool I will reject just like EPL clubs won't reject opta stats. That is neither here nor there.

The stats we know we can chop are goals, assists, km per game etc not whether Darren Fletcher made 1.2 more tackles per game than Makelele.

Nihilist:
Again WRONG

Opta: A successful dribble means the player beats the defender while retaining possession, unsuccessful ones are where the dribbler is tackled, Opta also log attempted dribbles where the player overruns the ball.

So you can see that there is no issue of subjectivity at all. The only issue is a lack of familiarity with the terms and events that Opta use to gather their statistics.

There is nothing more subjective than the dribbling stats.

The rules say you must beat the defender and be CLEAR of him.

How clear? 1 yard, 2 yards, 5 yards? That's where the subjectivity comes in.

My style of play, I dribble a lot at walking pace. Once I beat you, you cannot recover because my mode of dribbling is to leave you off balance with quick switch of ball between feet rather than running. You cannot prevent me from doing my next move, but I am not CLEAR of you.

So you can see why a running dribbler like Adama Traore has double the dribbling stats of someone who can dribble standing in one spot like Messi or Mahrez. The SUBJECTIVITY of the recording protocol favours the running dribbler.

The stats I prefer, if you ran 12km, you ran 12km. If you scored 20 goals, you scored 20 goals. No if and or but and no judgement call is involved by a recorder of stats.

Nihilist:
I already did that, and Matic's tackling numbers were similar. His interception numbers went down drastically but that's not even the point.

The key thing I have emphasised is that Matic is no longer the tackling midfielder - Not that he has forgotten how to tackle.

Well there you go. In his worst season his average tackles were the same as his best season.

So that should you know that requirements are different this season, not because he has forgotten how to tackle.

This is why I don't pay attention to tackling stats or any subjective stats like the ones you listed. My eyes, passing stats and running stats is enough for me to judge a DMs effectiveness.