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lexyman:Yeah I remember that missing dollar brief case story. But after we won our first game against Hungary, we swept the case aside and cheered the team until they won Gold. The boys should just win against Japan tonight and lets start the healing process. Meanwhile Honduras trashing Algeria 2-0. |
goldfish80:Let me diagnose the problem here. Did you watch Atlanta 96? I dnt mean through a youtube video. I mean live in July to August 1996. |
The Olympics is here again! MY WORST AND BEST MOMENTS OF PAST OLYMPICS. Worst moments: Seoul 1988: Nigeria 0-4 Brazil. Nigeria paraded a highly rated squad of some of the then young emerging players.Some players from that squad(as far as i can remember): Sam Okwaraji, Emeka Eziugo, David Ngodiga among others. Coming fresh from a 4-0 defeat suffered at Chile '87 WYC, we all applauded as Nigeria was drawing 0-0 at half time more so as we were d better side! The Brazilian coach made 2 substitutions at half time and the rest is history. Romario and Bebeto tore into shreads our defense exposing David Ngodiga and we conceded 4 goals! I wept! ![]() Best moments: Atlanta 1996: Brazil 3-4 Nigeria. It was the semi final match. Nigeria featured a highly talented and experienced squad. It was like a complete super Eagles team without Rufai, Finidi, Iroha, Keshi & Eguavoen( the later 3 names were already rounding up their careers). Imagine a team that had Amuneke, Amokachi, Oliseh, Kanu, Babayaro, Ikpeba, Taribo, Okocha, Okparaku and Okechukwu, In one starting 11 line-up! Brazil had Bebeto, Ronaldo De Lima, Cafu, Ze Roberto, Roberto Carlos, Joninho, Dida among others. Brazil led 3-1 at half time. Our only goal was even an own goal credited to Babayaro. Okocha blew away a penalty in 2nd half. Ikpeba pulled a goal back to make it 3-2. And at the stroke of 90mins Kanu worked his wonder and scored a kind of goal even Messi and Ronaldo of today would nt b calm enough to score. A counter attack in the first half of Extra -time ended it as Kanu volleyed the ball into d net off from a through pass from Victor Ikpeba. I wept for joy & jumped down from d balcony of a storey building to celebrate with my friends who were already setting the streets alight with the song "Ose, Ose o, Ose o, Ose Baba!". We won d final bt d joy was nothing like the semi final win over Brazil. Guys lets hear ur experiences. Dnt mind me, I am old school. No matter how old or recent it is, lets share. cc: TheGooJoe, Tbaba1234, Joseph1013, safarigirl, Bascovanveli, confun, lakesidepapa, forgiveness, other forumites too |
TheGoodJoe:Amuneke has failed as an U20 coach. A person that even openly said he cannot recalled what happened at Chile '87 WYC. Simply means he has nt learnt from history. Manu is a better U20 coach. Atleast he avoided that singular mistake Amuneke made by inviting early enough players dat were nt part of the U17 winning team. Jst dat at dat time we did nt have enough quality 19-20 yrs olds as we do now. Amuneke should be taken back to U17 with the 2019 set. Manu should graduate with the 2017 Eaglets to form d 2019 Flying. Talking about the pitch. Teslim Balogun pitch though astro-tough is abt d best we have in d country. It was jst unfortunate dat it rained in the whole of Southern Nigeria that day. So had they taken d game to Uyo, Port Harcourt or Benin the condition would have almost also been the same. The northern cities were ruled so as not to give Sudan an due advantage of playing under a familiar wethear condition. As for the strike before the game, dey have jst shot themselves on the foot bc dey have jst let 180million Nigerians down. Nobody, nt even d press would join solidarity with them in asking for their unpaid allowances. And that team would soon be disbounded so under what platform would dey come and ask d NFF for their unpaid allowances? Worst still the careers of 90% of them have nt even kicked off so how else would dey have d opportunities to sell themselves? The players are the biggest losers in all this. This team when blended with some older, & more experienced boys had d potential of winning the WYC. Well Nigerians have surely moved on and in d next 2 years another U20 would emerge. |
TheGoodJoe:Even with d meticulous development they have not won d U17. There strength lies mostly in the U19 & U21. A typical Spanish U21 side would parade players from the la liga hu would have had at list 3 yrs of senior team football. Bt what we have as U20s are a bunch of academy players |
TheGoodJoe:In as much as i dnt agree 100% with the thinking of that writer, there is a lot of sense in what he said. Particularly in the areas of sticking with his U17 boys and inexperience. Manu almost made that mistake bt later introduced Wilfred Ndidi, Moses Simon and Kingsley Sokari of which i still felt was nt enough. I understand ur pt from which u have been defending them bt those pts to me are nt enough to lose 3-4 at home to Sudan. Amuneke himself has come out to say no excuses. |
TheGoodJoe:A vital ingredient to their Success is having the most competitive and technical league in the world. We dnt have that in Nigeria and u expect us to beat Spain to the game? |
[quote author=forgiveness post=47854620]5 REASONS WHY FLYING EAGLES CRASHED OUT Nigeria’s Flying Eagles will not be in Zambia next year to defend the U20 AFCON trophy they won last year after they were shocked out of the qualifiers by Sudan. The excitement of having won a record fifth U17 World Cup in Chile in November got the better of coach Emmanuel Amuneke, his assistants and even the players, who felt they have arrived on the world football stage after what they had achieved in South America. They probably equated the demands of U17 football to that what is expected of a team at a higher U20 level, where the players are a lot more matured with some even knocking on the door of the full international side. Such thinking almost derailed coach Manu Garba last year, before he welcomed superior ideas to open his team to players outside those he has previously worked with at the U17 cadre. The wrong assumption that there is not much difference between U17 and U20 has affected over time the appointment of the coaches for the Flying Eagles as well as the faulty selection of players for the country’s youth team. Poor tactics On a day the rains poured down on Lagos, Amuneke got his tactics totally wrong by still insisting on the boys playing his passing game on a waterlogged pitch, while the more experienced and bigger Sudanese chose the more practical kick and rush style to their advantage. The Flying Eagles lack of size certainly did not help their cause as they always played second best to their opponents even after they reduced to 10 men midway in the second half. When it was 3-3, Amuneke should have shut the game as a draw was enough to qualify Nigeria. Is Amuneke really the tactical genius he has been packaged as? Team not good enough The Flying Eagles Class of 2016 did not have the quality and had they managed to advance to Zambia 2017, they would have been badly exposed by better teams at the AFCON finals. Even at the U17 level, what got them going was their raw determination, the goals of Victor Osimhen as well as their conditioning. The team were shut out from other players even after a much-advertised screening exercise as Amuneke insisted on working with only the players he tinkered at the U17 level. This killed the competitive spirit in the team as players in Amuneke’s U17 pool were always considered ahead of those who were outside this group. Team selection was biased and there was hardly a serious consideration for the physical size of the players especially in key positions like goalkeeper, defensive midfield and central defence. It must say something about the quality in this team that after all the hype and expectations, only a handful of these players have since secured contracts overseas. Goalkeeper Akpan Udoh was safe at U17 level, but was clearly exposed at a higher level, the team’s defence was below average, skipper Kelechi Nwakali failed to shine after he was named MVP at the U17 level and Osimhen could not reproduce the magic that fetched him a pro deal a top Bundesliga club Wolfsburg. Both players, coaches lost focus At last year’s U17 World Cup, these same boys had fought like wounded lions to make a name for themselves even when they had not received any allowances and bonuses. Their character and focus were praised, but only eight months later, it was a different story altogether after it got out to the media that they threatened to boycott Saturday’s match over unpaid monies. Attitude and discipline were sacrificed for immediate financial gains. “They lost the game even before they kicked the ball because suddenly they lost their focus and drive,” a top former international told AfricanFootball.com It was also understood that several of these players openly challenged the instructions of their coaches with Amuneke also angling to be Super Eagles coach after he was brought on board in an interim capacity for the AFCON qualifiers against Egypt in March. For Amuneke, it was not about qualifying for the AFCON, but winning the elusive U20 World Cup in South Korea next year. It is possible nobody really told him that you first have to qualify for the AFCON before you could start targeting the World Cup. Inexperience and lack of exposure At the U20 level, experience is a major factor and these Flying Eagles lacked it because most of the players are still with academies with not one of them playing even in the lower Nigeria National League. It was only three years ago that the likes of Paul Pogba and Kurt Zouma helped France to win the U20 World Cup in Turkey and today they have established themselves at Juventus and Chelsea, respectively. Amuneke’s team prepared for these qualifiers by playing mediocre academies around Abuja with their only tough test games being against the country’s U23 team. Matches against Premier League sides like FC IfeanyiUbah, which could have toughened them and got them the much-needed experience and exposure, were rejected outrightly. The Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) would have done better by arranging for test matches in neigbouring countries like Benin and Ghana as was the case in previous years. Probably, these big wins in their friendlies mostly at their training base deluded them into thinking they were unbeatable until Sudan delivered the sucker punch right in front of their home fans. http://c.newsnow.co.uk/A/2/841325881?-18946:4882:3 /quote] attn: TheGoodJoe |
TheGoodJoe:Talking abt Spain, it is that continuos domination in Europe at U19 & U21 that has taken them to where they are. And yes their league ensures those U19 & U21 remains in Spain. A typical Spanish U19 or U20 side is made up of players hu have been well drilled in several Spanish clubs while our own U20 players would b composed mainly of player from "My People FC Academy" & the likes and u expect them to conquer d world? The problem is we keep down playing d competition at d U20 level. A very large percentage of those Amuneke boys are nt U20 materials. Forget d issue of nt training for 3 days. We were at home for God's sakes. And nt dat we played against Mali, Guinea, Ghana or CIV. It was Sudan! Sudan for Christ's sakes! |
TheGoodJoe:I agree with Napoleon55 on this. We celebrate too much our U17 titles and go to sleep at U20. We take d pains to do a thorough screening process for d U17 bt when it comes to U20 we jst promote d previous U17 & shot out other players. Etebor, Ajayi and Azubuike could have played d 2015 U20 bt were dey considered? Can Akinjide Idowu's game level b compaired with dat of Azubuike? Compare Sokari with Etebor and Junior Ajayi had always been ahead of Awoniyi. Yes a couple of stars have played at d U17 bt d age where d real stars emerge is d U20. Remember our argument some time ago where I maintained only few U17 graduates get to play at senior level? The U20 crop are d ones dat usually more likely graduate to senior level. Producing 2 consecutive world smashing U17 classes has nt led to an U20 success. And also as Napoleon55 said lets produce 2 or 3 consecutive U20 & see whether it will nt impact positively on d Super Eagles. Ghana's 2009 U20 success directly influenced their 2010 performance. Until we start taking the U20 serious we will keep failing. |
Napoleon55:Spot on bro. |
Napoleon55:Good observation. In Europe they have the U17s-which are made up of cadet/academy players, U19 and U21. However, while d European tourneys take place in even years FIFA tourneys take place in odd years. Eg team to represent Europe in 2017 WYC would play d U19 this year, 2016. This implies dat players that represented European teams at last U17 would b 18 & below. This makes it possible for several European players dat played against Iheanacho's U17 set 3 yrs ago to feature at d U19s. But mean-while we are already fielding Awoniyi, and co as U23s.Thereby creating that gap in experience for an 18/19 yr old playing as U23. Only exceptional players can do well under this condition. The European players would have a proper structured growth. CAF needs to restructure its age grade programmes to something similar to those of Europe where the U19 & U21 tourneys are held at d end of season and with dat u expect a full house for d teams. Likes of Awoniyi, Mathew, Yahaya, Sadiq, Nura, K. Nwakali, Osimhen, Chukwueze for instance should be with d U19. While Likes of Success, Iheanacho, Simon, Ndidi, Iwobi, should even b playing U21 and nt even U23. If dey play together at age grade levels from U17, U19, & U21 they can better bond and blend at d senior level. I have had several arguments with peeps here on relationship between age and a player's performance.. And i still solidly stand by it. What Amuneke presented as U20 is U18. Yes cos the oldest player in that team, K. Nwakali jst clocked 18. I personally believe in structured development for players. As long as the development of these youngsters is always zigzag we will hardly get it right. cc:TheGoodJoe |
BascoVanVeli:A pointer that we are in for a disappointing outing in Rio. |
TheGoodJoe:But since d pros are on break now why nt engage them to secure qualification for AYC. U remember Iheanacho was part of d AYC qualifiers bt was nt available for the AYC. When it comes to U17 we try to field d best bt at U20 we will field green horns. |
BascoVanVeli:A good number of d boys dat won dat CAF U23 were nt part of those build up games. |
adrainuche:Bros I hope u have a large? |
BascoVanVeli:Forget that U23 team that played those games. Were dey nt d same crop that Denmark trashed? They are a no competition. |
U pple are just arguing away from the main issue. That team to me is nt competitive enough. I raised eye brows when i saw the team being composed of 90% of the last U17. Some of those boys are nt U20 materials. I got concerned when d team struggled against Burundi. They needed 2 late goals against Sudan away. The U20 is nt for academy players bt young professionals.Players that are already playing professional football. Bringing in more experience into dat team would have made d difference. Taiwo Awoniyi, Ifeanyi Mathew, Chidozie Awaziem, Musa Yahaya, Chidera Ezeh, Nura Abdulahi among others should have been in that team. We keep treating d U20 with kids gloves. Nigeria will never get it right at the U20 until we stop underrating d competition at this stage. cc: TheGoodJoe, safarigirl, Bascovanveli, tbaba1234, adrainuche, Napoleon55, lakesidepapa, joseph1013. |
Napoleon55:Of course you know the exceptional ones were nt released by their clubs while the others(majority) are still trying to put themselves together career-wise. A lot of them are still U20 which makes them elligle to play in the next WYC and 2020 Olympics. A player like Awoniyi for me is nt ready for the level of competition has been made to go through( I have been saying this all along). The truth is same goes to a lot of that U17 set. MRI made sure there was little or no age cheating. Alot of them are still kids. 90% of those guys playing U23 would have failed the MRI had it been it works for 23yrs olds.U understand what I mean. My opinion is Awoniyi should b sent to d U20 camp. At that level he will compete more favorably, contribute more and would also develop his skills more. Same goes for Chidera Ezeh and Musa Yahaya. Zaharadeen Bello was at the CAF U23 bt was dropped after that first game against Mali. Nothing has been heard of him ever since. He too should go compete for position with d current crop of U20 defenders. I need nt also tell u what Ifeanyi Mathew can bring to d U20 team. The thing is Amuneke would need to know how best to combine him and K. Nwakali in d same team, for though they play similar position bt in contrasting styles. I personally believe in career progression. Not all players' development are rapid. Some exceptional ones like Iheanacho and Success have already started making waves while some others are enjoying some loan spells and expecting some thing good at d end of it. Some of that U17 class are even no where to b found! Eg where are Edwin Okon and Chigozie Obasi? Okon i know recently got married. |
tbaba1234:No doubt Dele Alli, Rose Barkley and David Alaba could have added quality to d Super Eagles. Were the argument spans from is the saying that no Nigerian player is half as talented as Dele Alli, Sheyi Ojo, Ross Barkley and David Alaba. That i cannot accept and would defend even at gun point. |
tmtech:Jst also like CHM 201 of OSU in 1998 where my score of 57 was d highest in the whole faculty of science. |
TheGoodJoe:From the list do u see a recogmised CMF? This y i have told u dat Mikel is in for d CMF while Azubuike will man d DMF position. Siasia wants to market Azubuike. This is the plan all along. Seeing that list of attackers I feel like crying ![]() |
Joniboi:This honourable forum and other sports sites forced Siasia to include Wilfred Ndidi and Kingsley Madu on the provisional list. However, Siasia kept to his plans of making sure his boys Amuzie and Azubuike made it to Rio. Hence Madu and Ndidi have been dropped. TheGoodJoe, can u remember the comment where i stated dat Siasia would drop Ndidi from d squad to ensure his captain Azubuike males it? Siasia has really taken 180million Nigerians for granted. He does whatever he likes for his selfish gains. His defense trojans have failed him which is why he has gone for Omeruo and Troost-Ekong.The other players(except Sadiq Umar) have been in his plans all along. My prediction is we will likely scale through our grp bt any other result we get from then on would b like a bonus. |
tbaba1234:Any where we can get players rating for this game? |
Napoleon55:Bros u have written a lot here but proper indentation and spacing would really do readers good. Thanks. |
adrainuche:Hey! This is Nigeria we are talking about here and nt Siasia. Pls pls abeg stop this. |
safarigirl:My sister the thing tire person o. |
adrainuche:So what is the update now? I trust the Golden Eaglets them for don win like 5 or 6 zero by now. ![]() The Dream team sef ![]() I am really particular abt Sadiq Umar's performance. |
terzurum5:The IOC need to try and fix the Olympics during the end of Season(June/July). All these withdrawals have become too much. It will definitely reduce the glamour and excitement of d football event. |
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Every game would count to d players now. This would even spur them more to beat Zambia in Lusaka come October. |
forgiveness:Firstly, they are the ones that segregate themselves by saying things like "I feel English blood flowing through my veins", "i have a dream of playing for the three lions" bla-bla-bla. Ola Aina and Adarabioye jst recently pledged their allegiance to England and u expect us to keep hoping on such players? Or we should send Buhari and Saraki to go beg them? U said no Nigerian player is half as talented as Dele Alli, Ross Barkley & the likes. Are u for real? Well, Kelechi Iheanacho has the record of the highest ever goals ratio (goals/min) in the entire EPL history. Neither of Dele Alli, Ross Barkley nor Jodon Ibe comes close. Did you see a player named Alexander Iwobi play for Arsenal last season? A player that sent Theo Walcott and Oxlade Chamberlain permanently to d bench. Dele Alli, Sheyi Ojo, Jodon Ibe and Ross Barkley are nt even Arsenal materials. In terms of goals scoring did any of Alli,Ojo, Barkley or Ibe come near Odion Ighalo? You also forget that Victor Moses is a Nigerian Come 2016/2017 season u will see the likes of Isaac (the beast) Success, Ahmed Musa and Kelechi Nwakali join the Super list of the Super Nigerian talents in the EPL. Then this David Alaba u are always mentioning are u saying we have never produced a better player than him. The guy is now an Austrian. Forget him and lets focus on the ones we still have the opportunity of switching their natiomality. In as much as I am happy some of them have pledged allegiance to Nigeria I will nt wail if any of them snubs Nigeria. Simple. |
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