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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 3:13pm On Aug 28, 2022
OmichaelO:
Thank you so much oga mi.

all are duly noted, especially the last two.

Listen and observe more; talk less. Stay out of trouble and don’t react to every ‘strange’ or ‘unconventional’ thing you see. Have a plan and stick to it, while allowing for some tweaks and adjustments as things unfold.

Best of luck!

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 3:39pm On Aug 27, 2022
CheesyTee:
Please I wanted to confirm if it was okay to claim 12 months stay in uk from Sep 1 (i entered on the 28th of Sep).

The visa application page only asked of month and year of entry and no specific date.

Thank you.

September to August is a calendar year, if there is no provision for stating the specific dates.
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 6:57am On Aug 21, 2022
Someone should please drop another controversial topic. This one don stale abeg cheesy

Our brother took too many heavy punches to the head last night, so tey he become motivational speaker lmao grin

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 8:09am On Aug 20, 2022
Lexusgs430:


Anything immigration, is not my forte........

Thought you are Jesu Orobo cheesy cheesy
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 2:06pm On Aug 19, 2022
Lexusgs430:
Is this how Nigerian loan companies, chase debtors..... grin

TREAT AS URGENT: This is to inform the general public that ********** to be a RUTHLESS/ CHRONIC and UNREMORSEFUL DEBTOR who goes about COLLECTING LOAN from different COMPANY. This person is currently on the run with our company's money and has refused to pay nor pick our calls, she even denied that she did not collect any money from any loan app when we have her details. BE informed that this person has been declared wanted. we also found that she's a ritualist and a kidnapper using innocent children for money ritual. Pls contact us if you have any information about this person as soon as possible, else the company will proceed to the next action, because this person provided us with all your details and if you are not aware of this loan you can as well call the person to delete your information in the app, because soon the person pictures along side your own pictures will be posted on all social media in the next FEW HOURS.....
WE ARE LINCENCED AND APPROVED BY THE NIGERIAN GOVERNMENT.
MY NUMBER :08138273229

Shark loan companies, that cannot spell .. ....... cheesy

Only one person is a chronic and unremorseful debtor, ritualist and kidnapper? These loan sharks should fear God nah grin grin grin

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 9:53am On Aug 19, 2022
There’s a saying in Yoruba, which loosely translates as “the child that says his/her father is earning ‘shyte pay’, he/she is also in the process of becoming a man/woman”. Long story short, we dey siddon look.

Isn’t it strange that the loudest ones, as I have always suspected, are the ones with little or no experience? Yes, there’s something called UK experience, as the dynamics are different, no matter the number of experience you had in Nigeria or anywhere else outside Europe. Someone who hasn’t even ‘tasted’ the UK corporate environment and is just about to start full time job is disparaging real men and women’s hustle?

Anyways, experience is the best teacher. Come back here after you have successfully completed your probation period with your ‘I too know’ and ‘I better pass my neighbour attitude’. Mtschew, I get time today grin

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 7:59am On Aug 19, 2022
Odenigbo25:


�� Social media �� a place where someone without a relationship gives relationship advice

And where Jon Snow forms James Bond cheesy
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 6:32am On Aug 19, 2022
Lmao at ‘internet pundits’ grin grin grin. Awon online influencers

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 6:22pm On Aug 18, 2022
MichaelUde:
Nigerians and expectations. Nothing wey person no go see for here.
About the NHS pay as opposed to care, first, are those saying its worse comparing like for like? Basically, how much per hour does the average care assistant earn as compared to the hourly pay rate for an NHS Band 3? In other words, make una no dey compare person wey dey work 80 hours a week in care to someone working 37.5 hours a week in the NHS on band 3. Of course, someone working 37.5 hours a week fit still work more hours, after all many nurses also work for agencies on weekends, etc.

Secondly, I no understand how people go feel say person wey dey start in an unskilled role (which na wetin carers and nursing auxiliaries be o despite all the fancy fancy titles) go suppose collect CEO pay overnight. Like most people, I definitely think that pay should go up given current inflation and the cost of living crisis, etc. but the reality is that applying foam and pads is generally not a wonderfully-paid job except where person dey work plenty hours. So wetin una wan make fresh comers do? Go take the 50k and above jobs wey just dey wait for those who apply, abi?

Lastly, all those saying 22k na small money should tell us how much they expect to earn in that kind job in Naija. And yes, people here dey live on those pay levels. Make una understand that if you dey civil service on level 2, the pay is tailored for a school leaver aged maybe 18, early 20s and not a married man with 3 children in his 40s. The UK is certainly no paradise, but una come here because Naija no dey work for una (make we leave aside all the high sounding stuff people were yakking some weeks back about how Naija take dey better, and them just come UK to look around).

Bottom line, if person wan make better money for here, go and skill yourself in the fields in demand, then come collect the money. Aspiration is good, aspiring to be something better is a noble goal, na why people like me come here - to give my children opportunities wey I know dem no go see in Nigeria where playing field no level at all. Otherwise, make una try manage una expectations wella.

They will soon come for you. Awon “twenty two thousand pounds sterling na shyte money”.
Everyone na big man or madam on the internet nah. I dey laugh o

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 5:15pm On Aug 18, 2022
IcecoldDon:
Hi, please is there a difference between full time work and permanent job in terms of student visa restrictions? I see both in different places and it is a bit confusing. I ask this because i saw on a website that you can work full time during holidays but not a permanent role.

Also, after submission of dissertation, can one commence a permanent job role immediately since official school is over? or the correct thing as some websites i have seen, say you must wait till course end date shown on the CAS, while others just state after term time which is still not clear or that you can't do a permanent job on the student visa.

Thanks

Generally, full time employment means you are contracted for full working hours (e.g. 9am to 5pm, Monday to Friday). The opposite of this is part time (e.g. 3hours per day, 3 days per week, etc.). This could be either as a temporary worker (temp) or as a permanent employee (perm).

Permanent means that you are employed by the organisation until you sack them (resignation) or they sack you (dismissal). This usually comes with other perks and benefits apart from salary / wages (see below).

Temporary on the other hand means you are hired for a defined period (usually short term, but could be long in some cases), for a specific purpose, but you do not have the full rights and benefits of a permanent employee (e.g. pension, paid annual/sick/maternity/paternity leave, private health insurance, standard notice period, death in service benefit, life assurance, etc.).

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 1:30pm On Aug 13, 2022
Lexusgs430:
Is anyone going for FIFA World Cup - Qatar 2022....... We dey find UK 9ja parapò crew ......... grin

Would love to, but heard it’s sold out and insanely expensive.

Are you aware of any available parapo package?
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 6:24pm On Aug 10, 2022
Ralphlauren:


This is a big fat bloody lie @ bolded.

Believe those youtube idiots peddling falsehood at your own peril.

Switching tier 2 sponsors can never and will never reset the 5 year route to ILR

Moving from one tier to another eg. Moving from tier 2 to tier 5 is what resets the route to ILR

Let’s even pretend it’s true and the clock will reset. Resetting after 1 year means 1 + 5 = 6. 6 years is still a lot better than 10, in my opinion.

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 5:59pm On Aug 10, 2022
grandma123:
Thank you icon8 for your input, I know mostly the care work visa is 3 years or 5 years and you need to work for that employer, switching role or job means the 5 years route will reset.
The question is, would corporate employer be willing to employ with Care visa?
How would I be able to convince employer that I am still relevant in my profession with care job? Those are my thinking really.




While I do not know much about visas, the bolded can’t be correct - but I stand to be corrected.

Also, employers willing to sponsor you will not be particularly interested in the type of visa you currently hold, especially since you would have made it known to them that you’d require sponsorship should your application be successful. It is also easy to explain that you went into temporary care work as a foreign student, which is commonplace and therefore shouldn’t be a problem to switch back to your professional career field after your studies.

In all, I think you are overthinking things. My advice would be for you to visit gov.uk and read all available documents on the type of visa you are interested in, and all about sponsorship. Sometimes, these things are a lot easier and straightforward than we think they are. All you need is access to the right information and a plan - for which www.gov.uk should be your starting point.

If I were you, I’d take the bird in hand and carefully execute an exit strategy in 6 to 12 months - unless you are absolutely certain that the condition for that type of visa is that you cannot switch before 3 years - which I very much doubt as that would be tantamount to corporate slavery and should be illegal in the UK.

I’ll let those with knowledge of visas take it up from here, but I wish you well in whatever you finally decide on doing.

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 4:13pm On Aug 10, 2022
grandma123:
Hello my people, please I need your input on my situation.

I have completed my Master and need to move forward in the UK, I have 2 options to choose from which is dicey and I am in a serious Dilemma now. I am in my mid 40s and a mother, a qualified Chartered Accountant (over 15 years post qualification experience) back home and presently working on becoming a member of ICAEW here in the UK. I have been applying for professional roles on different job sites for a while now to no avail. Though I do get calls from recruiters concerning roles but sometimes because of the student visa status they may not proceed and sometimes you would not here back from them.

The two options I have to choose from are:

1, To apply for a PSW and continue my job search
2, The care work I do (to pay bills and make ends meet, not actually what I want) is ready to sponsor me (at no cost except UK gov application fee) but honestly the care job is not meant for me as I get irritated, tired of the job and I know I deserve more and can do better for myself.

I am at crossed road as I would not want to get PSW and still continue with the care job.
Now, considering the cost, definitely option 2 is cheaper for my family but I am not happy with the job.
I don't mind the longer route of PSW as long as I am legal in the country but the assurance of getting my dream role/job is what I don't know.
The care is ready to write whatever role I want on my application and allow me to take any other job or role once I do her 37.5 hrs (She gave me option of weekend and may be 1 day during the week to work for her but I don't want to be tied down to care job for 3 years doing what I am not happy with.

The question is, would any corporate employer employ me with the care visa if I opt for it?
What can I do differently to ace my employment in the country?

I have done different trainings and have in house training certificates from big firms in Nigeria on Project Management, Change Management, Lean etc. What certification can I do in Project management in the UK?

Please kindly advice?
No insult please

Is the bolded a precondition for the sponsorship?

If yes, I agree with you that that’s a long time to be miserable - perhaps you could negotiate down to 1 year?

If no, could you possibly take the offer and start the clock while you look for something better in 6 to 12 months?

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 1:45pm On Aug 10, 2022
Lmao…this innocent thread of yesterday has grown in leaps and bounds.

Fatima, come and carry your baby o grin cheesy grin

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 4:11pm On Aug 08, 2022
TheGuyFromHR:


Bottom line - icon8 could have softened his message quite a bit, but the thrust is correct.

Thanks bros - point noted and accepted cheesy

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 4:00pm On Aug 08, 2022
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Why are there so many kids in the UK with autism or on the autistic spectrum? It almost seems as though the Brits consider it a badge of honor saying their kids are on the spectrum or to use it to claim disability.

I've seen a lot of kids who the parents claim are on the spectrum and honestly, they seem cognitively okay, and if it were naija some proper brain resetting beating every once in a while will likely realign the child, but the parents here just seem to use "on the spectrum" as a pass to allow the kids become uncontrollable and something a complete nuisance.


Is there some kind of inherited genetic predisposition for brits to be on the spectrum or is that just some quasi-cultural thing that has become part of the medical norm for doctors to just label the kids as on the spectrum?

##Or is my perception on the matter just skewed because Nigeria doesn't do enough testing to determine if kids are on the autistic spectrum or have cognitive disabilities and just assume the child is a "dullard"?
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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 3:28pm On Aug 08, 2022
kode12:
Hi people, I've got a question that has always been at the back of my mind. Asking oyinbo might be a bit awkward but I'm sure naija should understand.
Why are there so many kids in the UK with autism or on the autistic spectrum? It almost seems as though the Brits consider it a badge of honor saying their kids are on the spectrum or to use it to claim disability.

I've seen a lot of kids who the parents claim are on the spectrum and honestly, they seem cognitively okay, and if it were naija some proper brain resetting beating every once in a while will likely realign the child, but the parents here just seem to use "on the spectrum" as a pass to allow the kids become uncontrollable and something a complete nuisance.

Is there some kind of inherited genetic predisposition for brits to be on the spectrum or is that just some quasi-cultural thing that has become part of the medical norm for doctors to just label the kids as on the spectrum?

##Or is my perception on the matter just skewed because Nigeria doesn't do enough testing to determine if kids are on the autistic spectrum or have cognitive disabilities and just assume the child is a "dullard"?

You are right - not only will it be awkward, it will certainly land you in big trouble. If you doubt me, ensure to ask the question at your workplace and come back here to inform us of the outcome.

As adults, we must resist the urge to speak out or write/type every foolish thought that comes to our mind. If a Caucasian had said the exact things you typed there, but about ‘black people’ and how they look, behave, do things, etc., in a certain way, I’m sure you’d be here screaming blue murder, racism, and what not.

Wisdom is profitable to direct. Especially in a society like this where foolishness can easily land you in trouble.

Sorry, I couldn’t not react to this one.

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 5:17pm On Jul 27, 2022
Do the CBN and the FGN even have a handle on their monetary policy or is the Nigerian economy just on autopilot and cruise control?

I guess it’s free fall from here until after the 2023 elections?

It’s very worrying that in spite of the GBP being very weak, it has gained so much on the NGN in such a short time. Tough day ahead embarassed

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 5:18pm On Jul 19, 2022
London and Dartford on fire. Baba Lexus, how far?
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 4:30pm On Jul 19, 2022
hustla:



Instead of writing stuff out like this, why not educate us about what CCJs are?

Yet to get a CC btw but I like learning how things work in advance and weight decisions for up to a year before diving into it

The bolded is not good enough.

Good choice on taking your time though.

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 2:31pm On Jul 19, 2022
TheGuyFromHR:


I had a cc back home.
No such thing as DDs, I was using a standing instruction to pay off and keeping an eye on my expenditure.
Once I travelled and swiped the card a few times while away. Came back and the exchange rate I thought I was spending at turned out not to be what the bank decided it would be (I used to work in a bank from the late 90s to early 00s and I thought I was familiar with all the banks' tricks as regards exchange rates, fees and all that, but apparently and sadly my knowledge was out of date), and long story short I overran my standing instruction amount and incurred interest (I did get a sort of reminder, but forgot, was a busy time at work at the time, we were doing what we are known for, retrenching people and employees were probably casting and binding us, who knows).

I exchanged a few broadsides with the bank about how their exchange rate wasn't what was expected, where did they conjure all those fees upon fees from, bla bla bla, they held firm, and to save my blood pressure, I just paid all the interest and closed the cc.

My point is that managing a cc in Naija takes some effort on one's part. Credit limits are a joke, and the bank would have carefully monitored/checked one's income before allowing you one. Here, all is made easy, so it's easier to mess things up and having a cc back in Naija doesn't compare in all aspects.

You are spot on.

But again, like driving, I am of the opinion that driving back home should at least take care of the ability to drive. What is left, is to forget all the bad habit and learn the good ones required to drive here. The practical knowledge should be there already, what remains is to brush up the theoretical knowledge and learn to be disciplined.

However, what works for A may not necessarily work for B, and there are some in the school of thought that it is easier to come here without the old Naija driving habits, and start here on a clean slate - as old habits die hard grin grin

In any case, a very good knowledge of CCs is essential before applying for one - to avoid stories that touch.

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 1:55pm On Jul 19, 2022
Lexusgs430:



Questions like withdrawing £2000, from credit card ........ grin

We the illegals would continually look from the sidelines........... cheesy

Lol imagine that cheesy
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 1:50pm On Jul 19, 2022
TheGuyFromHR:


Una so-called elders don come again, abi?
Dishing out advice grin of variable quality to mislead recent immigrants about credit cards.

Make una repent o.

Haha my oga, sometimes you just have to speak the truth and dare the consequences.

Of course, my unsolicited advice does not apply to every recent arrival, as a lot of them are already managing CCs even back home - those will have no issue, as it is not a new phenomenon to them, and they won’t mistake the money for free money grin grin

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 12:48pm On Jul 19, 2022
Lexusgs430:



Very true ......... Credit cards maxed out vs job loss ...... CCJ loading.........

What do we know, we go just bail, how den wan catch us, when nah ori o lori we dey use ........ grin

Credit card = Debt card..... Know this and know piss (abi na peas or peace)............ grin

I am sure many cardholders don’t even know what CCJ means, or its ramifications for the card they are holding.

The nature of the questions I see here, supposedly from those who are already using CCs, is mind blowing. Shouldn’t the in-depth research precede the application? To me, learning from personal experience could be very costly. But again, what do we know? Lol

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 12:18pm On Jul 19, 2022
Just dropping this here before someone comes back to cry about Naija people being wicked and leading them astray - why would you even allow yourself to be led astray?

You see that credit card bandwagon you people are joining like kids in a candy store? That is the surest destiny killer in this part of the world. Unless you are financially savvy and properly disciplined, I would destroy that plastic today, if I were you - to avoid premium tears. I know some have given this advice in the past, but it hasn’t stopped the craze from taking roots on this thread. That’s okay, just don’t come back here to tar everyone with the same brush when you burn your fingers - trust me, some will get their fingers badly burnt (no be wickedness or ill will, the fact speaks for itself!)

PS: having a credit card is the best thing after bread and butter - who no like awoof? Infact, I have a couple myself. However, like swimming, you just don’t jump into the pool one day without adequate lessons, nor will you just start driving a car on the motorway without sufficient practice. It hardly ends well. You are better served taking your time to understand the system before exposing yourself to credit and all its potential woes. But what do I know? Me wey be say na ori olori I dey use grin grin

Enough said, let me come and be going.

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 6:19pm On Jul 18, 2022
TheGuyFromHR:


Can you imagine? I was reading an article today which stated that the UK generally built its railways and airport infrastructure to function at operating temps of -10 to 35°C, while the Soviet Union generally built theirs to function at -15 to 45°C. So this small heat we have today which is not even up to a normal Lagos day is causing chaos in the UK's railway and airports while Russian MIG-23 pilots might be warming up their engines dey wait signal.

You are right. The entire UK infrastructure is due a serious overhaul but the politicians would rather play chess while enriching their friends and donors. Like I said, today/tomorrow is Russia’s surest bet at deploying those birds. Only 35°C, we don dey shout apocalypse and closing runways and railways upandan lol grin cheesy grin
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 5:56pm On Jul 18, 2022
TheGuyFromHR:
Lol, I gather runways are melting at Luton and at an RAF base.
The asphalt must have been designed for different operating temperatures.
This heat is normal for Abuja airport or any given airport in the north.

Lol God help us all if Putin decides to invade today, as the entire air fleet will be grounded at the minute cheesy cheesy cheesy. Brize Norton is RAF’s largest air base and its runways have melted

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 11:27am On Jul 18, 2022
Lexusgs430:



Best you post advice you received, that was wrong. .... So others can learn .......

Nobody is either a fountain/island of knowledge.........

Should I post my passport here, to show you I am not using ori o lori ............. grin cheesy

Lmao grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 12:14pm On Jul 03, 2022
derbylicious:


Thanks for the swift response.
It’s just that one person has an EU passport and the spouse doesn’t (but has pre-settled status & a now defunct UK issued EU BRP) , can EU freedom of movement still be exercised regardless?

There are contradicting information online, hence the apprehension.

This, here, is the crux of Brexit. Freedom of Movement died with the activation of the Withdrawal Agreement. So, while EU/UK nationals could still travel and stay visa-free for a maximum of 90 days, their family members no longer have that right. In your case, the non-EU family member will require a Schengen visa.
Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 9:13pm On Jun 21, 2022
Ameryx:
Hi all, I think I need a bit of encouragement. I moved to the UK on a student visa in December. Before relocating, I was doing quite well back home. Earned around 2-3m monthly profit after expenses from my business. In fact, I wanted to reward myself with a Range Rover Evoque (about 13m) then but Nigeria was in a bad state and I used up my savings to fund my relocation. I landed with high hopes, about £4000 in cash. The reason for my earlier statements is not to brag, but to show you that I was doing well, and I just felt coming here would be saner. I loved it here whenever I travel for vacation, so I was without doubt that life here would be easier.

To my main aim of writing, I think I am depressed. I could not find a job in my first 3 months here. The only job available that most students were doing was care, and I wasnt vaccinated, so I could not start. I eventually started in March and the job gives me a mental breakdown each time. I am on my feet for 11 hours, and get sent around by staff who feel they are better than agency workers, I get hit by residents, I have been racially abused several times ,I did it for 2 months and I had to quit.

I have looked for warehouse jobs, not been lucky. Even customer care work, they reject because of my visa status. I am fast losing it, there is so much my brain can take as a woman. Does anyone know how else I can get a job, I stay in Bradford, so anything around Leeds is fine. I can even work in Manchester if the pay is okay. Please help.

Hang in there. What you are going through is not unusual. You just need to keep moving forward, one step at a time, until these tough times eventually pass. Someday, in the not too distant future, you will look back and smile, when you remember this moment and how far you have come. This country is filled with opportunities and I believe your time will come, as long as you keep doing the right things and you don’t quit. Bless you.

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Travel / Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 2) by icon8: 12:05pm On Jun 19, 2022
koonbey:


This is an unfair response. Perhaps valid to the extent of asking people to stay on topic but the rest of the vitriol is unwarranted.

The people who responded as they did, gave their advice in good faith especially in the knowledge that the person who asked it might not have the full context of things like price ranges available, ancillary costs (insurance, tax etc), as well as potential impact on their credit etc.

Moreover, it's also logical that if one cannot afford to pay 6k for a car upfront, perhaps taking a loan might not be the best idea because one wants to continue driving the same kind of car as in Nigeria?

In all, you really should just have chipped in your own answer (which boiled down to "I don't know" at the end) and allowed the OP sift through to make their own decision.

In my view, it's a net benefit for the community here to have more answers than necessary instead of people treading on eggshells because they don't want to be seen as ITK. The reason why it's a forum is that answers are not just for the benefit of the individual who asked but also for others in the background or even later in the future who might have similar even if not identical questions.

Did you miss road? What do you seek to achieve by exhuming dead corpses from yesteryears? Please steer clear of my lane!

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