famzynet:
Anyone with info of current passport renewal situation in the UK?

Apply online and join the queue. Some of us have been waiting for almost 1 year. Others probably longer.

dustydee:
What are your thoughts on the various scandals rocking the government? I noticed that what we call corruption in Nigeria is labelled cronyism here. Contracts for family and friends without due process is called cronyism but we call ours corruption. When TI does their next rating, we will still be high up there and since the perception here is not of corruption, they will be much lower on the list.

Sleaze is just a fancy name for corruption. Same ni

Mamatukwas:


I’m alright oh. Thank you. Still here. Unhacked. Hopefully it stays that way.

Glad to hear that. Stay safe

justwise:


Yes this is the way to reply pm here when direct reply is not available and with reference to mamatukwas situation

Mamatukwa’s situation? Hope she’s alright?

Just read that the validity of the driving theory test will not be extended in England. Meaning about 70,000 who have passed the test but have not been able to complete the practical test will have to retake it

Well said, Femi.

https://twitter.com/femi_sorry/status/1375704137707388931?s=21

Take a moment to watch.

izito:
*

*What's your take?*

End it!

She was never your wife. Move out, else she will kill you very soon.

justwise:


I help you out...

This is their argument... we hate and detest what she did BUT don’t take her citizenship away because it could affect our grandchildren in the future, we know she is a terrorist, we know she has joined a group that killed, raped and destroyed a country but you see .. because of our grandkids future let her in, yes we know that she poses a threat, yes we know we all have to pay to keep her on benefits, 24hrs monitor by security agencies... we can live with all that purely because of grandkids.

Let me help you out...

We know that she chose to join a terrorist organisation and she may have committed heinous and unspeakable crimes, but like every accused, she should have the right to face her accuser. We denounce her and condemn her choice in its entirety, but, bring her home, charge her, try her, sentence her (if she’s found guilty), and lock her up forever (if that’s what she gets). No one cares. Let justice be done, but in the right way!

We also know that it is reprehensible and illegal to render someone stateless. She only has (well....like someone pointed out yesterday, had) British citizenship, and taking that away from her effectively rendered her stateless, which is a violation of her fundamental human rights and against the United Nations Human Rights Convention. But Her Majesty’s Government’s argument was that even though she only had British citizenship, she could potentially be able to acquire the citizenship of her parents’ birth country, if she applied. Therefore, taking her British citizenship away technically should not render her stateless, since she can apply for the citizenship of her parents’ birth country, to which the Bangladeshi government responded as not possible, which makes her stateless as we speak!

Now, this is the point and our concern for our children and their children after them. The British State has created a 2-tier natural citizenship, and with it, 2-tier rights and privileges, which should be a source of concern for every new generation immigrant. The first tier is for those who can only trace their roots to Britain (3 generations maybe) with its own set of laws - including not being able to revoke their citizenship even if they commit terrorism, because they have no other country to potentially claim. The second tier is for those who could trace their roots to somewhere else (possibly up to the 3rd generation) and the fate of this people (including all our children and their children’s children) is that their citizenship, which they acquired as a right when they were born (like every other natural born British citizen) could be taken away from them unilaterally (without trial, without fair hearing, just by the order of the Home Secretary) if they commit an act deemed terrorism by whoever is in charge at that point. This has now been challenged up to the Supreme Court and the Government has won.

Now, this is the danger. It is terrorism they are using today - and we all agree that terrorism is a heinous and abominable crime - but it could be applied to any crime tomorrow or in 50 years. Imagine the government removing your grandchildren and repatriating them to Nigeria (which they possibly never lived or even visited) on some trumped up charges, simply because their grandparents’ roots can be traced to Nigeria. Yes, it is a possibility. Anything is possible in an unjust society, and what happened to the Jews in Hitler’s Germany started as a noble cause. Then it went on and on until it was used to target a specific set of people, and the rest is history.

No one is holding court for the girl. No one here is in support of terrorism. We are only looking beyond the thin veil of this litmus test case, and expressing our concern for the dangers it portends for the future of our children, and their children after them, just because their forebears were recent immigrants. The only reason the government was able to take Shamima’s citizenship away was because her parents were immigrants. Maybe not racism, maybe not islamaphobia, but it certainly has discrimination written all over it, whatever name you choose to call it. And that should concern you, because of its potential future implications.

Hope this helps?

nihilistjnr:


Tell that to the supreme court.

Finally realised your folly and trying to deflect now?

Cheers, and have a good evening.

nihilistjnr:


You said



And I replied with


I even bolded the year 1981 to show you that revoking citizenship of dual national s is something that the UK government has been pursuing for 40 years

It's not my fault if you left the signposted focus on the conversation to zoom in on the details.

You can't hold me responsible for how you comprehend things bro

The point is that she was never a dual national. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?

nihilistjnr:


Bros relax...this is the constitution of your own country

You people are busy being woke instead of focusing on the nature of Begum's offence.

A naturalised Nigerian Citizen only has to catch a 4 year jail term within 7 years of naturalising before Buhari kicks him or her out.

You don't need to give up, just dont join ISIS

Then you came up with this argument about naturalised Nigerian citizens. Again off tangent. Why did you feel the need to liken her case to that of naturalised or non-birth citizens if you were paying attention?

nihilistjnr:

I never said it wasn't the law so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here


Anna Chapman -Russian
David Hicks - Australian
Jack Letts - Canadiian

All white btw



This is such a ridiculous statement. Shemima Begum LEFT the UK in case you've forgotten. Voluntarily. To go and become a Citizen of ISIS. And the UK government refused to let her back.
How does this relate to what you wrote up there?


Nothing you wrote here is relevant to the topic at hand. If your children go and join ISIS and are caught, even if you climb a cross and pay the ultimate price, they will get the Shemima Begum treatment.



'They' are not 'just starting' anything bro

The 1981 Act outlined the boundaries of British Citizenship, and Section 40 of the Act included conditions under which the Secretary of State could deprive citizenship to non-birth citizens – i.e. those who had British citizenship due to naturalisation or registration[/b].

I am quoting or responding to you for the last time. No, penultimate time. Can you see the bolded? That was where you started arguing off tangent. Quoting some irrelevant law for, according to you, “non-birth citizens”, which does not apply to the subject of discussion.

nihilistjnr:


Ogbeni I was merely pointing out that UK government are not alone in stripping dual nationals of their citizenship, [b]the act of which has been the subject of discussion.[/b]

The Nigerian government also strips dual nationals of Nigerian citizenship, on the condition that they are naturalised and commit a crime within 7 years of Naturalisation.

If the specific scenario of naturalisation within the context of Nigerian citizenship is percieved as low hanging fruit, then that's on you, not me. I never argued that Begum was naturalised, and I am only responsible for what I type...not what you comprehend.

No, the subject of discussion all along has been that the lady in question is not a naturalised citizen, but you keep comparing her to naturalised citizens and quoting laws meant for them. For the umpteenth time, Shamima is a natural born British citizen and does not even have dual nationality. Compare apples with apples, not with clementines!

nihilistjnr:


I think you might be deliberately obtuse or perhaps just incapable of following threads of conversation

Exhibit A
I posted this


You then quoted me to say:


Now look at the post you quoted again - Did you see me argue that Shemima Begum is not British by birth? I literally pointed out that it was her parents who were gifted UK citizenship. It's there in black and white. Literally.

Exhibit B
I posted this:


You then responded with:



Was Shemima Begum born a British Citizen? Yes
Has her citizenship been revoked? Yes
Has her citizenship been revoked legally? Yes and the decision was upheld by the Supreme Court

Now ask yourself if your assertion that she was born British invalidates the post you quoted. If it you find that it does - show us how.

You are obviously confused, because you have mixed up my responses, either by being clumsy or by being clever by half. Either ways, do yourself a favour and check my response to your white privilege post again, to which I replied “I give up”. The other response was to your Nigerian citizenship revocation comment, where you yet again chose to compare apples with oranges, and I called you out for not knowing the difference between a natural born and a naturalised citizen. But here you are mismatching my quotes to cause confusion. Not smart, you know?

nihilistjnr:


Bros relax...this is the constitution of your own country

You people are busy being woke instead of focusing on the nature of Begum's offence.

A naturalised Nigerian Citizen only has to catch a 4 year jail term within 7 years of naturalising before Buhari kicks him or her out.

You don't need to give up, just dont join ISIS

Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Can you just rest? Are you just taking the piss or you really do not know the difference between a natural born citizen and a naturalised one?

The lady in question was not naturalised. She was born and raised here, and was British at birth! Ah, na wah for this public forum o!

justwise:


That is just ignorant on their part, how will you live in a country as an immigrant without a passport? If you don't need it in those days how about now? You wanted the immigration to just believe his explanation without any paper evidence to support it?

Bro everything is not racism or discrimination, we have to acknowledge when mistake is made and learn from it.

We sometimes use racism to cover our shortcomings.

You must know better than the UK government then, because Her Majesty’s Government has repeatedly apologised over this Windrush scandal, including by the Home Office and even the then PM, Theresa May. But here you are defending what you are ignorant of, being the wise man that you are.

Sometimes, I just can’t but wonder what qualifies one to be a moderator on this forum.

nihilistjnr:


Can you explain how your guy has legal right to stay but was kicked out then?



UK Citizenship is a privilege not a right if you were not born a white Brit

I give up

nihilistjnr:

I never said it wasn't the law so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here


Anna Chapman -Russian
David Hicks - Australian
Jack Letts - Canadiian

All white btw



This is such a ridiculous statement. Shemima Begum LEFT the UK in case you've forgotten. Voluntarily. To go and become a Citizen of ISIS. And the UK government refused to let her back.
How does this relate to what you wrote up there?


Nothing you wrote here is relevant to the topic at hand. If your children go and join ISIS and are caught, even if you climb a cross and pay the ultimate price, they will get the Shemima Begum treatment.



'They' are not 'just starting' anything bro

The 1981 Act outlined the boundaries of British Citizenship, and Section 40 of the Act included conditions under which the Secretary of State could deprive citizenship to non-birth citizens – i.e. those who had British citizenship due to naturalisation or registration.

Wtf are you on about? Have you been paying any attention? Shamima was born here and was a British citizen at birth. What gibberish are you spewing comparing her to non-birth citizens and those who acquired citizenship by naturalisation or registration. Like wtaf

justwise:


That noise doesn't need to be made.

Until it happens to you or close to home.
The Jews in pre-Nazi Germany didn’t know it could happen to them until it did.

Allow us to make our noise in peace.

justwise:


Listen you are talking about something that may or may not happen in future, that is entirely difference argument.

That exactly, is the definition of precedent. And that is the basis of this argument. A very dangerous precedent has been set for the future!

justwise:


https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-49385376

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/18/jack-letts-stripped-british-citizenship-isis-canada

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/17/jihadi-jack-isis-fighter-stripped-british-citizenship-home-office/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/canada-disappointed-britain-stripping-isis-fighter-s-citizenship-n1043811

Read my question again, but this time slowly.

I did not ask for news reportage (which was never confirmed officially). I asked for the announcement by the government.
Remember it was Sajid Javid himself (as Home Secretary) who announced the decision to revoke Shamima’s citizenship. No government official announced the revocation of Jack Letts’, only rumours in the newspapers that were never substantiated.

wallg123:


Hope you are aware the UK did not just stripe her of her citizenship without the backing of the law. This decision was challenged in court and the decision was upheld. This has nothing to do with race or colour of your skin. This is not the Nigerian judiciary where all the judges can be bought and sold.

Yes, the same UK Supreme Court that is filled with old white men . They don’t have to be “bought” with money, race and religion is enough to sway their decision, which sets a very dangerous precedent.

justwise:


This got nothing to do with being 1st, 2nd or 3rd class citizen, some are just playing race card here which is embarrassing . How about Jack Letts? He was born in this country to a Canadian father and a British mother all as white as snow, he was also stripped of his British citizenship and his parents jailed for supporting him while he was fighting with ISIS. So is that also racist?

Are you able to substantiate that claim and provide proof that Jack Letts’ citizenship was indeed revoked? Kindly point us to the official statement from the Home Office or any government agency to that effect. Official statement, please; not unsubstantiated tabloid rumours that no one has confirmed in an official capacity till date.

nihilistjnr:


The bolded is a weak argument, because the UK does not practice Jus Soli. There are many children born to non-naturalised immigrants here who have never been to their parents countries and dont have their passports. That still doesnt give them the right to stay here.

The only argument that you have is that Shemima was born to Bengali parents who acquired a British Passport - and Ijust as it was given, it can be taken away. I admit that a white british terrorist of a single nationality has to be let back in, but I guess that's the privilege of being from here. Na their right be that

Shemima's parents came to the UK, they were not born here. They chose to leave their own mostly muslim country and applied to live with the British and to become British. They agreed to abide by the rules and probably spent at least 10 years convincing the British that they could abide by the laws of the land. The British then awarded them the privilege of citizenship...and it's a privilege not a right because the Begums had to earn it. They literally had to stand up in front of the Queen's picture and swear allegiance to her

So if Shemima decides to leave the UK and return to a Muslim caliphate, it is entirely her prerogative. If she chooses to to pledge allegiance to a known enemy of the UK, it is her right to do so. But it is not her right to retain the citizenship that the country she hates gifted to her parents.
And the British have the right to withdraw their citizenship from immigrants who have betrayed that gift.

To argue otherwise as a Nigerian immigrant who knows why they came to the UK is unnecessary wokeness, and an insult to the millions of us looking for any opportunity to japa from Nigeria.

If a white-looking person says this, we will all be up in arms screaming racism. Alas, “we” seem to be our own worst enemies.

Your post has no basis in law, just so you know. A child born on British soil to a settled parent is an automatic British citizen. As British as it gets. No matter where the parent came from, once they attain settled status, any child born of them afterwards is a British citizen at birth. That’s the law!

I’m not one to play the race card, but this case reeks of racism and islamophobia, and sets a very dangerous precedent like others have rightly suggested. It’s that Jihad-loving girl today but it could be anyone’s child tomorrow, for a far less crime. If the colour of her skin were to be white, she would have been treated differently. For the avoidance of doubt, I denounce her and her association with the so-called Islamic State, but she’s British and should have been brought back home and tried in a British court, under British law, and sent to a British jail if found guilty. Not passed on to her parent’s birth country that she never had any connection to.

By your logic, because the PM’s father is Turkish (although born in the UK), the Johnson family should be sent to Turkey if they commit a crime, because according to you, the father’s father was not born here, they applied to live here blah blah blah, and are therefore second class British citizens. But you wouldn’t say that, would you? Why because they look white to you and the grandfather was clever to have changed his name from Osman Kemal to Wilfred Johnson. If the girl's name were to be Sharon Bellingham instead of Shemima Begum, you all will be singing a different tune.

Some of you are just full of inferiority complex and believe the white skin is superior to yours. As for me, my children are not second class to nobody in this land (and they know that!). I may be second class, I understand that, and that’s fine because I’m a bloody immigrant. But my children and their children? No way! I’ve paid that price for them. Everyone’s parents came from somewhere, and it doesn’t matter how long ago. Even the Queen’s family came from Germany and changed their name to Windsor to sound British somewhere along the line. So was her husband Philip, who was Greek but also changed his name to appear English. But all that does not matter because they all look white to you?

You may gloat all you want about this case, but they are only starting with their discrimination, and the girl’s case was just the litmus test. Like someone said, the day someone wakes up on the wrong side of the bed and decides to revoke your children’s legitimate citizenship because their parents or parents’ parents were immigrants, you will understand what precedent means and why you should be careful what you wish for.

Enough of the rant. Back to work!

DisGuy:


Oga Lexus!! It's like you know me o!!

This was exactly what I did immediately after uni back then, provisional license in hand, no cash for anymore driving lessons. I was merely moving forward 5m, reverse 5metres, listen to music.

Chei I even joined boy racing forum pimping Peugeot 206, bought plenty accessories on ebay

One day I forgot to put in in neutral, gbos!!

Have a candid discussion and come to an agreement on what to do with the pregnancy. Try defer to her on the decision about what to do with her body. Whatever the decision, call the wedding off immediately, and break up amicably. You’ve seen all you needed to see, and it’s obviously not a pretty sight. Don’t be hoodwinked into thinking she will change after the marriage, or that you can live with her laziness and lack of ambition. It will always be a sticky issue and a major source of friction in your relationship. Trust me, it’s not worth it.

Therefore, end it while you still can. A child is a blessing, so if you both agree to keep the pregnancy, do everything you can to be a responsible dad. Wish you the best.

CalebLebsco56:
I am an oriented graduate and I work with a private school, teaching and being paid 15k sometimes Iook at myself and kept pondering, but its not my fault because I have been scouting for job....

Who Else is in this Category

How are you Coping, despite the Harsh Economy?

What does an oriented graduate mean?

etokhana:


https://thenationonlineng.net/at-last-fight-within-apc/

The gloves are finally off. This will be a long, long night for the gladiators.

Lexusgs430:
Pls, Don't drive like this dundee, in Dundee.......

Dundee United

hopefuliam:
Yes i did
But i was told i was to bring the signed formed for data capture in other to get the 25%

Scan the completed form and a notarised copy of all supporting documents (including your current proof of address) to pensionsolution@stanbicibtc.com and complete your data recapture here: https://formelo.stanbicibtcpension.com/recapture/
You don’t need to go to Naija to process the payment.

Wizzy2010:
Please any shipper/cargo service to Nigeria around Newcastle or Sunderland . Please Holla.

Mamatukwas

dre11:

https://thenationonlineng.net/fg-plans-to-replace-bvn-with-nin-pantami/

Even the supposedly educated ones are not any better