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k2039: Well their are christians who are guilty of that as well(not true/real christians though

k2039: Their standards are correct princinples

Ubenedictus: actually so far u are d person wu have been thinking in the "pagan BOX". U are d person wu says beads are pagan because budha used them, 25 is pagan because sun worshippers used that dat and sunday too. After seeing "pagan, pagan pagan" in everything u still have d effontry to talk abt a pagan box?
I just noticed dat ur anti-catholic campaign isnt yielding fruits except to show me how superstitious u are. U may want to try ur luck here: www.catholicanswersforum.com mayb u wil find new convert there. I wil try to keep off ur arguement u argue with a closed mind and simply repeat some old stories u were told over and over again.

k2039: Lets be frank here(I'm a christian,I know God exists,and I dont agree with athiest on this one)

I'm talking about moral uprightness.You dont have to be a christian to make honesty,integrity etc a policy.
Bill gate is an agonist and he has done more charity work than any christian I know.

This guys understand right principles and they make it their motto.


My point is simple,you dont have to be a religious person to live morally upright(uprightness in Nigeria is defined by it consistution)

inurmind: To me jesus was just looking for trouble when he was floging those traders.

First of all, he let anger, or the devil as christians love to put it, get the best of him, which is immoral.
Bishop oyedepo's act wasn't any worse and everyone is condenming him, so I can boldly say christ commited a sin and let the devil get the best of him.

He knew the pharisees and officials incharge of the temple would be outraged by that. To me he was just planning his own execution.

If he was so powerful, he could have found a less violent way to get rid of them.
For example he could have made all of them go into a trance and pack their stuff and leave.
That way he would be proving his superiority over anger and his divinity.

He obviously did not do any of that. So I guess christ is not as perfect and divine as christians put him out to be. He is just like his hot-tempered daddy.

Logicboy03: Which bible standards will you use? The catholic bible or the protestant bible?

All atheists aint the same. I cant define a false atheist because it is a meaningless term just as a false christian. There are Buddhists that are atheists.

Logicboy03: Nonsense. Jesus would have been arrested for his folly in this present day. Jesus did not build the temple and neither did he have the right to flog anybody.

Considering Jesus was the son of god, why couldnt he use words to sway the people?



Jesus's teachings remain ambiguous.

Logicboy03: I just told you that I am not gay but as a true christian, you did not apologise, you keep on insinuating that I am. How arrogant and disrespectful.

Logicboy03: Tell me, is racism immoral because Jesus was a racist.

Logicboy03: Paul was a sexist. End of story

k2039: I'm a theist,and I have commented.

Frankly moral uprightness has to do with the individual,its not just religion alone

Logicboy03: That is the same point I am making. False atheists and false christians are useless terms. What standars are you going to use to judge a false christian?

catholic standards or Jehovah's witness standards?

Logicboy03: Sidestepping the issue, eh?


Jesus would have been arrested if he tried his nonsense today. Assault and destruction of private property.

Furthermore, unlike you @I am not babriac like your Jesus and bible. I do not support flogging of charlatans in the church. I prefer frauds to be arrested and duly processed.

Logicboy03: 1) Jesus christ's teachings are very incomplete and obscure.

Does Jesus himself condemn homosexuality? A clear answer is impossible

Jesus did not eve clarify on female preists or pastors

Jesus does not even talk about abortion or slavery or war.


2) There is no such thing as a true christian. There are christian churches that are tolerant of gays that would call you an intolerant christian as well.
Christianity is ambiguous because Jesus himself is ambiguous with his incomplete teachings and incredible life.


3) I am not gay or bisexual. Thank you for bearing false witness, Mr. True Christian. Dumbazz hypocrite!

Logicboy03: Morality has nothing to do with religion- people were moral before Jesus came. Confucius was teaching the golden rule before christianity or Jesus came about.



Paul is a sexist. You live in a patriarchal society and you are ignorant of what sexism is. Men and Women are psychologically the same without any social conditioning. However, your ignorance would lead you to believe that women are inferior to men in leadership positions.


Is a true christian ignorant?

Logicboy03: Wrong. False christian? What about false atheist? Sharaap.

Logicboy03: When did Jesus become the best example of good?

The same Jesus that went flogging people and destroying people's merchandise in the temple? That is a crime- destroying private porperty and assault.

The same Jesus that was racist to the Canaanite woman and called her a dog. I dare you to tell a foreigner that she is a dog tat doesnt deserve nothing but scraps and you came for the lost sheep of Nigeria.

Logicboy03: What or who is a genuine christian?

A trinity believer or a man worshipping christian?

A tithe preacher or a tithe hater?


A gay basher or a gay supporter?




You cant define "christian", talkless of "true christian". There is no such thing as a true christian.

Logicboy03: Morality has nothing to do with religion. The last time I checked, you were in agreement with sexism, saying that Paul was right that women are belwo men in the church and in god's eyes.

pastormustwac: lmao, who be that one wey wear pata? Hope say no be your friend sha?

pastormustwac: lmao, who be that one wey wear pata? Hope say no be your friend sha?

pastormustwac: NA WA O, WHEN A CHRISTIAN CALLS ANOTHER CHRISTIAN A PAGAN

Anyigala: Sometimes when i don't have my beads, i count with my fingers. I guess that finger counting is also pagan worshipping as well.
You see, The God we worship is the most powerful, and the creator of the whole world - both visible and invisible He created. Christ died and resurrected and by doing so, He destroyed all pagan gods. And with the authority He has given us, we can rightfully claim back all the days set aside for Sun gods or monkey gods. No longer shall we say that 25th December was a pagan date, No! Its Christ's day because He created all the days and months and He owns them.
My point is this, so what if you think that beads is a Buddhist thing? Our God is the greatest and we claim everything he created back. No excuses, no apologies. This is not by our power but by what Christ did for us 2000 years ago - that singular act gave us the right to be called children of God.
Having said all these, it will still be a mortal sin to if we reclaim God's creations and worship them as our god. That is not what we do in the Catholic church and it was never done.

mkmyers45: duh....

musKeeto: So you accept everyone, pastor, christian, muslim, atheist.. Has the abiliity to sin...

Hmmmm.. Good to know..

inurmind: Sure they are. When stuff like this happens, ''they are humans''.

When its time for signs and wonders, ''we are supernatural beings''.

gregtochi: Dednying the existence of the true image of Christ is tantamount to denying his humanity.

italo: Why don't you just point out how I went wrong with that statement?

No amount of words you use will make a LIE TRUE...or vice versa.

italo: I don't think Christ told the Apostles - the Church - everything that was allowed for them to do. Afterall he said he would send the Holy Spirit to teach them ALL things. ?

mkmyers45: Ageing is a disease..as i have shown before on this forum current medical research in the next 50 years will help us to master and control the process of ageing and understanding death..Atleast the lifetime of a mouse have been laboratory extended by almost 100%

Boomark: Thanks dear.

italo: Which Jesus? The one you call "a god" or the one we call "God"?

The former - NO; the latter - I have never thought of NOT following him.



How do you know she died over 2000 years ago? Show me where the Bible says that...

I'm not quarrelling with you o... I just want scriptural proof of what you said.

Afterall you've been asking me for scriptural proof of all sorts of things.

inurmind: All it takes is discipline. I'm sure u have that. U can shorten it if u want, but just have the experience.

pastormustwac: Just be an atheist for one second, and in that one second - them blow the trumpet! Na the end be that. . . .wallahi!

italo: ...But we are doing what Joshua did...

engrtee: U mean pretend to b a fool

Boomark: And also kill whom to kill.

To kill by whose authority? Christ said do violence to no man and your divinely approved authority said kill. You choose to disobey Christ and do something worse than violence by obeying your divinely approved authority. A thing that will adversely affect your fellow man's wife, children and family.

Besides who told you that the people they kill are Gods enemy? Whose cause are they fighting for? God or man? Christians killing Christians. Abi US Christian soldiers are the ones for God while the other ones are His enemies?

You guys need serious deliverance. Modern Pharisees.

obadiah777: ill go for the later if i were you, smash your face on the laptop that is lolz

obadiah777: ill go for the later if i were you, smash your face on the laptop that is lolz

Ubenedictus: i told u dis b4 and it seem i have to repeat it again, u are superstitious. So bead counting has been added to the list of pagan stuff? I do not believe any action to b pagan unless d necessary disposition of act and will follows it. Counting of beads is counting of beads a simple action and it isnt intrisically evil. I count beads and say 'hail mary...' durin d rosary, i count beads and say 'Jesus son of d...have mercy on me' wen saying d Jesus prayer, i count my beads and say 'thank u lord Jesus' durin d thank u chaplet i also count beads and say "4 d sake of his passion have mercy on us and d whole world" durin d divine mercy chaplet. And in all these case i name it is purely xtian and has noting to do with pagan because an action cant b evil on it own.

Ubenedictus: This thread has disintegrated, the op shuld do something and put everybody back in line.
I wish to comment on d first part of ur question. The rosary.
To understand d rosary u nid a little abt its history. The prayer was called psalter from the word psalm because of its origin.
In the early times of christianity men of like mind wu called themselves monks came 2gether and their maxim was prayer and work. Among their spiritual excercises is to study, meditate on the psalms actually many prayed 150psalms in about 2wks that was their communual prayer. Those wu lived around d monks were sumtimes, rather most times illitrate wu wish to join d prayer routine and they were encouraged to pray 150 "our father" and they counted them with beads, as time went on they also added an ancient prayer that were simply quotes from luke "hail mary... Blessed among..." that is how d rosary started until it was organise so each xtian can mediate on a part of scripture eg d resurrection while simply reciting d quote from luke. So d physical rosary is a counting bead used to count prayer. While rosary itself is a prayer christological and marian in character and also intercessory.
So to ur question why do catholic pray with d rosary? We do so becos at time we recite prayers that need counting.