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Image123: jealous rumors. the man and is church dey expand EVERYDAY. People don't commit suicide or get frustrated oh, give your lives to He who knows what best to do with it instead.

But why you go support this man extravagant life??

Is it good??.....

Be sincere image123......

I'm awe struck..!!!!!!!......

MOG driving in a phantom with siren blaring envoys and escorts??....

Which kin nonsense be this....

Can nigerians please wake up to reality.......

SMH!!!!!.......

And why must the church branch in london be controlled by his son??

Na family business??....

I'm tired of this whole rubbish!!!!!!.....

Logicboy03: Neither does some of your Jehovah witness doctrines!

Na now I know why you be atheist....

Na halloween cause am....

Logicboy03: How can you talk about true christianity when most christians call Jehovah Witnesses like you "cultists"?

Na them sabi....

I stand by the scriptures......

Halloween has no place in the bible....

Thank you!!!!!

Enigma: @plappville

By the way do you have an explanation for this one aussi?

Isaiah 6

And according to John

John 12:41

Enigma na wa for you ooo.....

@ John 12:41 ;,john was quoting from isaiah 53 and not from isaiah chapter 6....

The rate @ which you guys twist the scriptures has got me SMH!!!!!!........

Let's compare chapters and verses...oya.......

Isaiah 53:1....

New International Version (NIV)
53 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the ""arm"" of the LORD been
revealed?


Compare with john 12:38...

New International Version (©1984)
This was to fulfill the word of Isaiah the
prophet: "Lord, who has believed our message
and to whom has the"" arm"" of the Lord been
revealed?"


....

And who was this arm from isaiahs prophecy??

Let's read through isaiah 53:2-11

2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to
him,
nothing in his appearance that we should
desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low
esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on
him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the LORD has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken
away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was
punished.[b]
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and
cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes[c] his life an
offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his
hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be
satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous ""SERVANT"" will
justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
.........

Verse 11 points to (Jesus) as Gods righteous SERVANT.......


So isaiah for saw the glory and coming of Gods annointed one and servant and not GOD.........

Enigma: Well, FWIW, here is one i made earlier.

1. No one has seen God; no one can see God and live!

Exodus 33:20

John 1:18

1 Timothy 6:16


2. Who then did Isaiah (and others like Daniel etc) see?

Isaiah 6:5


3. Thankfully we have help!

John 12:41


4. Further help!

Colossians 1:15

Colossians 1:19

Hebrews 1:3



5. And finally

John 14:9

Have you ever heard of the word ""VISION"" before??.......

No one can see GOD and yet live....even Jesus confirmed that no one has seen GOd...

How this can be hard for you guys to understand baffles me...

Logicboy03: Halloween has connection with the catholic church from which your church came about!


Anyway, if you believe in the ressurection of christ and his second coming, there is no difference between you and pagan halloweenist that believes in the coming back of spirits.

And I am not a catholic.......

Don't force catholism on persons who have chosen to abandon paganism for unadulterated truths......

Christs ressurection and second coming has no relation with halloween...

Logicboy stop forcing halloween on true christianity.....

Logicboy03: Celebrating the death of a man and celebrating a dead man are two different things.


Who cares if you dont worship christ? Your religion is centered around the dead man anyways. Why do you call yorself a christian? You still follow him dont you? ou believe in his ressurection dont you? Halloween pagans believe in the ressurection ofn spirits too.

Now let's get this straigth....I observe the commemoration of Christ death....

Besides Christ is alive in the heavens now.....

And so I don't have to run around the place like I'm filming for ""THRILLER""

My point::::

HALLOWEEN has no connection with the scriptures nor with christianity....
I believe in Christs ressurection....

plappville: Halloween is a demonic feast day, each year something tragidy goes with it.
Last yr a teenage hanged himself at the night of Halloween. There has been several terrible events since the celebration.
Maybe the West take it as fun, but the Devil recieves the glory at the end of it.

Thank you for this salient point.....

Logicboy03:


Moses is celebrated, isnt he? And he is dead!



Now, you christians worship a dead man every day? How is that any different from halloween?

How was moses celebrated??

you should give me a description of how the Jews celebrated, the death of moses with scriptures..........pin point the date and month the Jews celebrated or commemorated moses' death.....

And mind you I don't worship Jesus....I worship the God and Father of Jesus......

Logicboy03: http://voices.yahoo.com/the-passover-celebration-moses-hebrews-and-5476737.html

That link doesn't support your stance that the Jews celebrated the death of moses....

You have no basis to support your claim that the commemoration of Jesus' death is halloween....

No Jew celebrated the death of any of Gods servant,except Christ who became the new passover....

Freksy: Hmmmm, I missed a lot. Please tick me too for the upcoming discussion and note my preference.

WEB - World English Bible

Or

YLT - young's Literal Translation

Freksy my bro where have you been??

You just leave your boy comot....e no good o....

How you dey??

Logicboy03: Moses?

And can you please tell me the date and month the Jews commemorated the death of moses??

Logicboy03: Your Christ was not the first or last dead prophet or saint or deity to be worshipped!

Can you please name any other servant of Yahweh whose death was celebrated or commemorated??

Apart from the pass over,did the Jews engage in the pagan celebration of dead saints??...

Enigma: Be careful. I have warned you that I will send you to people in your family much older than you.

To avoid that necessity, I have kept away from your posts; when your cup becomes full, I will not hesitate to send you to people old enough to give birth to you.

Sorry sir........


Your boy loyal.......

Omo Alata: I always thought it was just for fun but not anymore. We don't worship satan in our house. Put that in your pipe and smoke it https://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/demon/t1404.gif

Lol......

Logic boy is trying so hard to connect the commemoration of Christs death with halloween.....

He forgets that the commemoration of Christ death replaced the then ""passover"" the Jews observed after there emancipation from the egyptians.......

So the arrangement of the memorial of Christs death has its root in Gods plan and not in connection with any pagan festival .....

*:
Did Jesus ever refer to yahweh as his Father at any time?

In mark 12:29 Jesus recited the Jewish creed(deuteronomy 6:4) affirming that Yahweh who is the 1 God is the God him(Jesus) and all other Jews worshipped....

Yahweh is the God and Father of Jesus.....

Please also read acts 3:13....

The God of abraham,isaac,jacob etc who is Yahweh ressurected his holy"" servant"" Jesus....

So Yahweh is the Father of Jesus....

Image123: Are you alive at all? Anyway, i expect you are so shocked you can't believe it even when it stares you in the face.

(BBE) And Stephen, while he was being stoned, made prayer to God, saying, Lord Jesus, take my spirit.


(KJV) And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

(Webster) And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

Even if we go by the translations you are holding to it still doesn't prove Jesus is the God he was standing @ the right hand of....

Let me take you back to that same book of acts 7 but verses 54 - 56......

King James Version (KJV)
54 When they heard these things, they were
cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with
their teeth.
55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked
up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of
God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of
God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened,
and the Son of man standing on the right hand
of God.

.......
Earlier verses have shown that this stephen saw 2 seperate persons in heaven...
.......

The son of man(Jesus) is a distinct individual from God whom he stood close to,doing his mediator job.........

So stephens words @ verse 59 in no way even from the KJV shows that Jesus is the almighty GOD .......

The problem you have is u barely read all through the scriptures before you run into conclusion....

Besides this is what other translations have to say.....

.....
New International Version (©1984)
While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed,
"Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."
......
New Living Translation (©2007)
As they stoned him, Stephen prayed, "Lord
Jesus, receive my spirit."
.....
English Standard Version (©2001)
And as they were stoning Stephen, he called
out, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”
.......
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
They went on stoning Stephen as he called on
the Lord and said, "Lord Jesus, receive my
spirit!"

Enigma: ^^^ And God even referred to as an angel --- wrestling with a man!

You really need help...

So the almighty God now na angel??

SMH!!!!....

Soon you will say the almighty God is satan....

That's where you are heading to....lol....

Image123: 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
These are the passages you referred us to. Again, are you insinuating that the great Yahweh is not Lord? Are you really saying tht you can not see the flaw in your argument? The passage exposes you. Hear o ijawk, the Lord is One, the God the three in One.

Yahweh is LORD over CHRist....

In the context of 1 corinthians and ephesians Jesus who has been made Lord by Yahweh over the church and over man is reffered to as the 1 Lord.....what the hell do you think Lord is??.......

It means master,leader,etc....

No matter how much you try to run and twist you must come back to the truth that Yahweh or the Father is the one and only true God.....

Please read matthew 23:9,10 to see what Jesus being the 1 Lord means....

Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father,
because you have one Father, who is in heaven.
10 And do not be called masters either,
because you have one Master,[a] the Messiah.


......

Also read 1 corinthians 11:3 for more clarification incase you've lost your way....:-).....

And did I just hear you quote deuteronomy 6:4 and fixing in 3 persons for 1 GOD??

Take your time o.......

What is halloween??

Where did it come from??.....

Debroslink: Daniel 2:47 and I know that your GOD is the God of gods(Father), and Lord of kings(Jesus), and a Revealer of secrets(Holy Spirit).

These are the very words of the pagan king Nebuchadnezzar who identified God in three persons...

YES GOD IS ONE, but in 3 persons

Lol....see desperado....

@ least it just dawned on you that the Father is the GOD of all gods,the 1 and only true God whom Jesus worshipped.........

Thank you for understanding that even though you still run around confused with the 3 God in 1 pagan dogma....

Reyginus: I attest.
I stick with The Good News bible.

I really like the Good news bible too......

Ok....

I don't know much about the NKJV....

But I'll opt for the RSV and GNT(goodnews translation).....

I heard the nkjv is cool too....

Anony so you really wanna talk about HELL right??

We are much around.......

obadiah777: those pastors need to be slayed with that double edged sword. filthy lucre is their motto. those charlatans scatter the flock.

They really need to feel the effect of the double edged sword inside of them....

If all the clerics can read through the sermons of Jesus they wouldn't be under such ridicle today.....

For the fact that these clerics are being persecuted for sapping material wealth from there members shows that they aint doing the right thing....

If we have to be persecuted as christians,let it be for righteousness sake......

SMH!!!!!......

:-(......

Wahala upÓn wahÀla.......

Who could this killers be I wonder.....

Image123: so you are insinuating that the great Yahweh is not Lord?

The 1 GOD should bÉ your concern.....that's what this whole discussion is about.......

The only true GOD......

I want you to know that as far as oneness of GOD is concerned GOD the Father is the only true GOD,not some trinity......

Image123: 1. it is actually originally quoted as "rightly dividing the Word of Truth". Jesus is Truth, God is Truth, Jesus is God. you've got to love mathematics.

2. God exalts God when God is in three persons. how many times do we have to say that?

And there goes image12345678910......

Oya pick up your bible and read 1 corinthians 8:6 and ephesians 4:4-6.....

Oneness of GOD is associated with the Father alone and not with any other personage......

We have 1 God the Father.....

Abi you no dey see am since??

Goshen360: Na wha for you o this man.......Which God or GOD do I worship

My answer,

I never still get you clearly o...

The GOD get name??....

Goshen360: Herein is my answer..........and we may begin to have translation problem from this verse as rendered by some translation......I know you will quickly run to the translation website.......

New International Version (©1984)
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known. - John 1:18

I believe my worship to God is by God................

I don't get you.......

Which GOD do you worship??

Goshen360: Brother, you still are not getting what am saying. Am not saying He, Jesus is NOT called the firstborn. This firstborn is to his flesh nature NOT to his deity. The expression "firstborn of all creation", what does it mean? and what creation is it talking about? Is it creation or creatURES, we may have problem from translation as some render "creatION" while some render "creatURES", the expression first begotten? What does this mean? Does it related to Jesus in his human nature or to his deity? These are questions that clears the air on whether Christ was created or he existed eternally.

Jesus being Gods 1st born applies to his heavenly life....

Hebrews 1:6 confirms that.........when God was about sending his FIRSR born...

New International Version (©1984)
And again, when God brings his firstborn into
the world, he says, "Let all God's angels
worship him."
.......
GNT...
Hebrews 1:6
6 But when God was about to send his first-born
Son into the world, he said, "All of God's angels
must worship him."

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
When God was about to send his firstborn Son
into the world, he said, "All of God's angels
must worship him."
......

Weymouth New Testament
But speaking of the time when He once more
brings His Firstborn into the world, He says,
"And let all God's angels worship Him."
....

International Standard Version (©2008)
And again, when he brings his firstborn into
the world, he says, "Let all God's angels
worship him."



.........

As regards Jesus' earthly human life he was mary's FIRST born.....

How can Jesus be Gods 1st born only according to the flesh...??

Except Jesus never pre-existed...

Read luke 2:7...

Let's read luke 2:7......
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
And she gave birth to her """firstborn"" son; and
she wrapped Him in cloths, and laid Him in a
manger, because there was no room for them
in the inn.
.........
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And she brought forth her"" firstborn"" son, and
wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him
in a manger; because there was no room for
them in the inn.

.
According to the flesh Jesus was marys FIRSR born.......

As regards Jesus' heavenly life he was and still is Gods first born......

And please explain what Jesus being marys FIRST BORN means....

There again we have the expression FIRST BORN been used and related to a living being........