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haibe: I dont know, but if it was actually pertaining to a man, then a female shouldnt have been putting it on.

Dont really know about the history on wrapper but the topic talks about trousers, u can open anoda thread 4 wrapper.

italo: No problem. Just show me where the Bible says "Christmas is a pagan holiday."

Book, chapter and verse.

Ihedinobi: loling at bolded. Ignoring the obvious inconsistencies and questionability of that bolded six-word statement, there is the funny way that you actually use these translations "authored" by supposed trinitarians. Tell me that you don't keep trying to correct them. Wonderful usage.

If you dared to face me with the JW Bible, you would earn lessons on how to dribble a person down in their own backyard. I wouldn't even bother with retranslating or correcting your version. I'd just point out all the glaring inconsistencies and contradictions in it. Can you and have you ever done that with any of the "trinitarian" versions? Have you, in fact, done anything other than continue to retranslate and correct them? Have you ever taken them at face value and then shown how they fail to maintain consistency?

At best, you play translations off against one another. And look at the depth of your dishonesty. Which versions were authored by trinitarians? Then again, are you daring to imply that all the versions that you argue using were translated and edited by trinitarians? Do you want to defend that statement?

Friendly warning: beware sweeping statements!

italo: Shut up woman, until you are asked for your opinion.

Now where is your biblical proof that all you said about Christmas is true. Show us where the Bible says that Christmas is a pagan practice.

If it is not in the Bible, where did you get it from and why do you believe it?

inurmind: lol. Mehn u christians like to act like u are yehovah's lawyers. I thought he was meant to be yours.
And like the saying goes ''lawyers are liars''.

If he sent an evil spirit then he sent an evil spirit nah. Why try to twist the bible to justify your god.

I thought his follishness is ur wisdom or somethng like that.
What makes perfect sense to him like killing innocent people and taking over their land and property might not make sense to u.

musKeeto: lol.. an evil spirit from the Lord, IK... u don dey sound like JoAgbaje o..

musKeeto: lol.. an evil spirit from the Lord, IK... u don dey sound like JoAgbaje o..

italo: If you revere the Bible and praise it, as I presume you do, are you worshipping it?

frosbel: Can someone please tell me the difference between the catholic church and protestants ?

They mostly hold on to the same creeds and tenets of faith, why then do the protestants castigate the RCC for their beliefs, seeing that they have derived most of their practices from Mother 'Church' and the Vicar of 'Christ' ?

I need some help guys and gals.

Ihedinobi: Thank God I went to bed o. Laff for no gree me sleep. Geez! Na wa o. fros-b, confuse much? And the indefatigable ijawkid working the retranslation levers and knobs! Awesome! Ask ijawkid to argue using the one translation he thinks is utterly correct and the guy turns chicken. But he's got no problem retranslating every single version that is offered as long as something in it renders Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit God.

fros-b, on the other hand, is establishing himself in tongue-speaking. Just like a yo-yo gone wild. Awesome! I keep wanting to take it easy on you, @frosbel, but you keep insisting that you're not worth it. Ok o. Me? I'm gonna sit back and grab me a popcorn and watch you demolished and reduced to utter idiocy. I'll help out too when it's fun to do so. Lol. Thank God for nairaland. Ah! What joy!

Segun agagu: I stumbled on dis wen I was going through d bible..1samuel 18:10.

haibe: @md-dude, dont let us drift out of the topic, we are on trousers, you can open another thread for scotish kilt discussion.

Deut. 22:5 applies to us today. Even though we are not under
the Mosaic Law anymore, something that is an abomination to
God is always an abomination. (This is based off of Rev. 21:27,
which says that "no one who practices abomination" (KJV) will
enter into the New Jerusalem.)

Since pants are men’s apparel,
it is an abomination for a woman to wear pants. Simple.

Goshen360: Many people are still confused about the subject of God......lolz. God is not a name of one being. The Father is called God. Jesus is called God and the Holy Spirit is NOT a force or power but also God. They all have their personal names stills that distinguished them one from another. This is what the concept of God says in the Bible.

@ OP, Do you think Jesus is God? The simple answer is YES! But Jesus is NOT the Father neither is He the Holy Spirit.

Romans 9:5,

New International Version (©1984)
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.

English Standard Version (©2001)
To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

Amplified Bible (AMP)
To them belong the patriarchs, and as far as His natural descent was concerned, from them is the Christ, Who is exalted and supreme over all, God, blessed forever! Amen (so let it be).

And I heard Jesus himself say this,

New International Version (©1984)
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began. John 17:5

What is this "glory" that he talked about? I will not guess. Let the bible explain itself using scriptures to explain scriptures.

New International Version (©1984)
1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2. He was with God in the beginning.

Here in verse 2, the Word is NOW personified as "He".....note.

14. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1-2, 14.

This is the glory Jesus talked about in John 17:5. He was with God BEFORE the creation and John made us understand He is also God. The earlier you guys start to understand that scripture does not use the name "God" for one being, the earlier you understand the scripture. Otherwise, we can as well tear scriptures apart and void verses that calls Jesus Christ God.

Goshen360: @ Frosbel and Ijawkid,

Okay, another scriptures for you that Apostle Paul believed and called Jesus God. Since you guys are now disapproving the Kjv, I will quote from many other translations. Romans 9:5

New International Version (©1984)
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are their ancestors, and Christ himself was an Israelite as far as his human nature is concerned. And he is God, the one who rules over everything and is worthy of eternal praise! Amen.

English Standard Version (©2001)
To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

International Standard Version (©2008)
To the Israelites belong the patriarchs, and from them, the Messiah descended, who is God over all, the one who is forever blessed. Amen.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
The Messiah is descended from their ancestors according to his human nature. The Messiah is God over everything, forever blessed. Amen.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And the Patriarchs; and from them The Messiah appeared in the flesh, who is The God Who is over all, to Whom are praises and blessings to the eternity of eternities, amen.

American Standard Version
whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

After am done showing scriptures from the bible the deity of Christ, I will proceed to that of the Holy Spirit as God. Meanwhile, this question is also @ Frosbel and Ijawkid,

Since you both believe the Holy Spirit is a force and not distinct from God's spirit, Frosbel had said God is Spirit according to John 4:24......HOW IS IT POSSIBLE FOR SPIRIT TO HAVE SPIRIT.....if the Holy Spirit is just God's spirit and not distinct from God Can a Spirit have spirit .......FROSBEL, I NEED YOU TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

Ihedinobi: As far as I can see, and I don't see as far as God does, you and truthislight are well beyond hope. You are so blind that it's a wonder that you see your keypad or keyboard. Frosbel is still floundering. He's just fighting and flailing like a drowning man. You guys......bottom of the ocean tinz.

Yes, if there is at all anything of Christ there, in that heart to which I just spoke, frosbel will come home to the Trinity. It's not your home. It's ours, the Christians'. If you don't wanna come, that's entirely your problem. If you do, the doors are wide open. But you're not my interest, at least not today. Maybe some day, the Lord will come after you specially.

Ihedinobi: @frosbel

My God! But I so pity you, frosbel. Why do I still retain hope that you will come to your senses? You are dancing around so much, but I pray, oh, how I pray that that which is Christ may be found within you and you be brought home again.

My friend, your confusion is great. I can understand about you questioning everything. Like I said, every believer passes through that phase where they intelligently apprehend who they are and what sets them apart from everyone else. If you're in that phase, may the Lord bring you through. May this stubbornness not be the product of a heart hardened against the Lord. May your utterances be forgiven you and the Lord restore you.

I pray for you, frosbel. I pray that you grasp the Lord's Mercy and be hurled back to safety. Said He not that His hand is not too short to save? I know that He can save to the uttermost. May the Lord Jesus save you. How I pray, how I desire, how I wish, frosbel, that you have not sealed your fate. May you not wander from His Presence forever. May you remember again who you are. If only there may be found even one small particle of Christ in you, oh Father, grant that there may be that which is Christ in frosbel that he may be brought home again.

What can I say to you, frosbel? Words and tears mean nothing for a hardened heart. Threats and consequences cannot prevent that which has broken from the root and the foundation. Even these words may remain here as a monument for others, but for you it could end up as condemnation. If only...... It matters not what you have said, frosbel, who may have been misled by your words. Father will take care of it all if you will just return and take hold of His Mercy.

Perhaps I shouldn't care, but I most certainly do. That's why I keep responding even after I say that I will not.

Frosbel, COME HOME.

Ihedinobi: So, no, you're too chicken to dare to debate against the Trinity with your own translation of the Bible, right? Continue with your "Trinity is pagan" mantra, but it's lost every iota of credibility now.

Enigma: And hou have always been a dunce of course?

So which God purchased the Church with His blood?

Ihedinobi: Bla bla bla............ What else is new? Don't you guys cherrypick translations? You even cherrypick across translations. You twist and turn passages that you decide the RCC mistranslated. You delete verses. You say right in the face of a verse that it does not say what it says. There are no worse liars than people who lie right in the presence of Truth. Such liars are incurable.

Can you show one passage that any "Trinitarian" has attempted to retranslate? Can you show any example of a "Trinitarian" saying that any translation is wrong just to support the doctrine of the Trinity? Have you guys ever neglected to make the excuse that the stronger RCC forced meanings and verses into all translations of the Scriptures to make them speak of the Trinity?

In fact, I don't have a problem taking you guys on with your very own Bible, the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures. Boomark couldn't handle the heat, do you think you can? Believe me, your heart has to be hardened like granite and your conscience numb like a frost-bitten toe for you to insist that the Trinity is unbiblical. Just dare to consent to proving that the Trinity is unbiblical using your very own version of the Bible and see what happens.

Goshen360: NLT translation which is one of Frosble's favourite translations proves it better.......@ Frosbel, who is Peter refering to as God in II Peter 2:1, NLT

k2039: [color=#FF0099]
Ahh,I used to think frosbel was my age mate,I never knew you were married.
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plaetton: How does "only begotten" come to mean same nature,same size, same quality?
This is an incredible leap of logic.
Are you a clone of your father? or perhaps of your mother?

Ubenedictus: we are all born with d same nature and equal dignity

fergusen: Now hear what the bible has to say:

Philippians 2:5
[size=15pt]5 Your attitude should be the same as
that of Christ
Jesus:
6 Who, being in very nature a God,
did not consider equality with God something to be
grasped,
7 but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature b of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,

Is this not self-explanatery enough?

frosbel: There is not one prayer or song or exclamation addressed to the Holy Spirit in the Bible, neither is there one precept in all the Bible authorizing such prayer or song. Nowhere in Scripture are we told to love,honour, or worship the Holy Spirit, or to pray to it for assistance. Why, if it is a person, like the Father and His Son?

In the hymns of adoration recorded in Revelation, the Father and Son are mentioned but not the Holy Spirit. Why is reference to the Holy Spirit omitted if the Spirit is a third person of a triune God?

Rev.5:13 says: "Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him (the Father) who sits upon the throne, and to the lamb (Jesus) forever and ever." Also
Rev.7:10: "Salvation to our God who sits upon the throne,and to the lamb."

Why is there no reference to the Holy Spirit in these hymns of adoration if it is a co-equal member of the Spirit omitted? The Bible frequently pictures the Father sitting upon His throne and Jesus sitting or standing at His right hand, but never refers to the Holy Spirit sitting on the throne with them, either on the left hand or elsewhere.

If the Holy Spirit is a separate person from the Father and Son, why is there never any mention of him being enthroned or reigning with them? The Father and Son are often associated together in judgement and redemption, and the coming kingdom is referred to as the kingdom of God and His Christ (Rev.11:15), but the Holy Spirit is omitted. Why?

In 1 Cor.11:3 we read: "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." Now here is a specific order presented by the apostle Paul which he says he wants us to know about. He refers to woman, man,Christ and God, but makes no mention of the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit is a person like the Father, Son, man and woman, and belongs to this "family" as a separate person, why is he left out?

Ubenedictus: this is like saying human is material, fleshy.
Stop dividing human
ijawkid is not human, he is son of human. To make the son of a human also human tears dow logic and reason.
Are u so dumb that u cant see u arent making sense.

Ubenedictus: this is like sayin:
"why would human call another person my father??
When that person na still human"
u arent making sense

okeyxyz: So how is the son of God not God?

How is the son of Mr Ajayi not Mr Ajayi?

Ajayi is simply a Specie(family name).

Spirit is a specie.

okeyxyz: It is the Holy_Spirit that makes God a Specie. It is by this spirit that He "begat" Jesus, thus he is the "First Begotten". The son of God is God. Simple. Why would Jesus use the reference "My Father"? Why is "My God" not enough?? Was it not for this reference "My Father" that the Jews wanted to stone him??

Enigma: No matter what the "anti-Trinitarians" say {and we know the spirit behind their "fight"}, the following truths taught in the Bible have never, can never and will never be "debunked".

1. God is ONE
2. God The Father is God
3. God The Son is God; and
4. God The Holy Spirit is God.