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flourishG: Many times I wonder how people who are entrusted to handle the word are so ignorant of the living Word. You don't even know the simple answer to the simple questions above. How am I even sure to trust anything you say I ask you again, in a clearer tone; the way Matthew presented Jesus is different from the way Mark, Luke and John presented SAME Jesus Christ and listen to your answer stating that, "THEY ALL.....". What an ignorant statement! It means you don't even know how Matthew presented Christ neither do you understand how Luke, Mark and John presented him and you believe you are telling the WHOLE truth and presenting the whole mind of God One more trial for you to answer the question sir.

If that answer up there is not enough for u,then put down yours here...

They all presented Jesus as Gods Son...

Na lie??

flourishG: Both of you are on the front against the deity of Christ. Kindly answer the questions below:

How did the Gospel of Matthew presented Christ

How did the Gospel of Mark presented Christ

How did the Gospel of Luke presented Christ and

How did the Gospel of John presented Christ

Now, this is ONE same person presented to us in four different ways by four different inspired writers. Answer the above questions BOTH OF YOU. Your response will determine if we will continue this thread or not.

They all presented Jesus as the son of God,which ofcus Jesus is........

They all showed that Jesus was sent and that God is greater than Jesus....

They all showed that Jesus worshipped Yahweh and not himself......

They all showed that Jesus could do nothing of his own originality except what the Father (Yahweh) has told him to do....

You can complete the rest.....

That's why he is called the GREATEST man who ever lived............

aletheia: Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
1 Co 6:3

Go not forth hastily to strive, lest thou know not what to do in the end thereof, when thy neighbour hath put thee to shame.
Pro 25:8

Which angels??

Angel gabriel and Co.??

What have they done that they have to be judged??

Those angels mentioned @ the verse u quoted are definitly wicked spirits not angels who Have been serving Jah since and b4 the founding of the world.....

obadiah777: well you know after you make it to the end, then heaven is established. and when heaven is established who will inherit the earth ?

PSALAMS 37 VS 29 The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein forever.

and what about the heirachy that will be in heaven ( on earth ) ?

MALACHI 3 VS 18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

DANIEL 12 VS 2 AND 3 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.


and the righteous ability to sin in heaven ?

HEBREWS 8 VS 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

CONCLUSION ? I think, and backed by scriptures, the heirachy in heaven is such that those who make it ( the elect ) will have their spirits renewed to the point where they cant sin anymore ( this is what it means when it says i will inscribe my words in their inward parts ). the rest of the people will still have their old spirit of freewill to sin or be holy ( shame and everlasting contempt ). and the elect will rule over this 'fallen bunch' with a rod of iron and will break them as the potters clay forever and ever and ever. basically this mission we are on is a quest for 'leadership', 'righteous leadership'. this is a quest to be the top and not the bottom. this is a quest to be the 'cane' and not the 'chastised'. this is an 'election' into office, of sorts, and our votes are our deeds.

And more:::

There'll be no more satan to cause trouble...

The elects are strictly going to be heavenly creatures who would be ruling alongside Jesus.....

There won't be sin......

Can u please list out those schools in germany that one can apply to??.....

Schools that offer msc in oil and gas engineering,offshore engineering and aeronautical engineering..

Please I need to know...

I would like to school in germany.....

OLAADEGBU: The fear of God, the book of proverb says, is the beginning of wisdom. Joseph had the fear of God unlike many so called Christians today. Another thing I will like to point out is that at times when God closes some women's womb it is because God wants to bring forth the Isaacs, the Jacobs, the Samuels and the John the baptists of this world.

Joseph was also a type of Jesus Christ. There was no recorded sin committed by Joseph and he suffered unjustly at the hands of his brethren who sold him into slavery. Joseph forgave his brethren without any animosity just like Jesus forgave his persecutors at His crucifixion. Joseph became the deliverer and saviour of his family and to the world just as Jesus on a larger scale became the Saviour of the world.

I like this point...thumbs up......good point

uhonmora: @bidam:

please don't make me insult your intelligence:

what certain truths do I have to decode? or are you one of the silly pastors who I talked about, who love to impress people with their fake, display of uttering meaningless gibberish that do not edify anyone in the church?


did the thief on the cross speak in tongues? did jesus speak in tongues...all the while he was on earth?

how can you say you know the bible and insist that all christians must speak in tongues before being saved? didn't paul say there are diverse gifts?

can everyone be pastors? can everyone be bishops, can everyone work miracles? can everyone speak in tongues, can everyone interpret?

the answer is no. and I insist there are better, more edifying gifts than the real tongues....not the mystical fake mumbo jumbo you guys utter to show off to people that you have the holy spirit.

if you are alone in your room, and you want to pray to God in one billion tongues, please do. no one cares, as long as you keep your voice low.

but when you step into the church and there's no interpreter for your 'tongues' to edify the church, then it's better to keep shut because the essence of spiritual gifts is not for showoff but to edify other members of the body of Christ.

Good point.....

I've asked of what benefit is speaking in tongues today,no one has answered me.....

The early christians accomplished a lot with it back then.....

What do acclaimed tongue speakers accomplish with there so called tongue speakings today.........

Ola you are kinda obsessed with this obama gay sanction issue...

What would ypu have expceted him to do in a democratic system of government....

Is it not what the people want,so long as it doesn't encroach on the personal lives and rights of others that He(obama) will sanction??

Is his form of government theocracy??

Is the bible the constitution of the U.S.A??

You sound like america is like isreal of old where Yahweh appointed kings and gave them stern directions through the laws He(Yahweh) gave them.......

The earlier u start knowing that obama is not running a theocratic system of government the better........

Just leave him and let him do what pleases the people....

After all that's what democracy is....

plappville: So for your mind "MARY" born/gave birth To YAHWEH......God was 9 month in the belly of "MARY" and during this 9 months He was also in Heaven euh:!!!!?

SMH too......

It then means my cousin that bears the name ""IMMANUEL"" is also GOD....

.......

And so also all the IMMANUELS on earth....

aletheia: Every true believer is chosen to rule alongside Christ. . .as it is written: (Rev 1:6) And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Does this verse allude to a set of 144,000 specific individuals?

The book of Revelations is rich in metaphor, allegory prophetic language and eschatological imagery and a careful reading of the verses in context will show that the number 144,000 is allegory i.e (12 x 12 x 1000): the 12 tribes of Israel, the 12 apostles and 1000 - signifying completion. Also it clear that the 144,000 in chapter 14 is the same as that in chapter 7 where the names of their tribes are given.

[b](Rev 14:1 [KJV])
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

(Rev 7:4-9 [KJV])
And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand. After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;[/b]

As we see from chapter 7; this list of the 12 tribes given in Revelation 7 does not correspond to the natural 12 tribes of Israel. . .thus tipping us off that this is not a listing of the physical descendants of Jacob who will go to heaven.


Moreover notice the sequence of events:

1. "And I heard the number of them which were sealed:" As already pointed out:

144,000 = 12 x 12 x 1000, signifying the fullness and perfection of God's redemptive plan: Physical Israel & the Gentiles adopted in Christ into Spiritual Israel. What tips us off that the 144,000 is an allusion to Spiritual Israel is that the listing of tribes is wrong from the natural standpoint, both in terms of order of tribes and in terms of the names.

2. After hearing, John then sees: "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands"

So this great innumerable company stands before the throne and before the Lamb. Where is the throne? In heaven, isn't it?

The 144,000 is actually a great multitude which no man can number. . .the 144,000 being symbolic of the perfection of God's plan in their lives.

There is a message in Revelation 7 hidden in plain sight in the names of the sons of Jacob as written there.
In the order listed these are the names:
Judah,
Reuben,
Gad,
Asher,
Napthali,
Manasseh,
Simeon,
Levi,
Issachar,
Zebulon,
Joseph,
Benjamin.

Not only do we find that the names are not listed in order of birth or prominence but we find that Dan and the half-tribe of Ephraim is not listed.

Biblical Hebrew names are not accidental and usually convey a message and are the message is given to us in the meanings of the names in Revelation 7. This is the message:

1. Judah = "I will praise the Lord"
2. Reuben = "He has looked on me"
3. Gad = "Granted good fortune"
4. Asher = "Happy am I"
5. Naphtali = "My wrestling" or "struggle"
6. Manasseh = "Making me to forget"
7. Simeon = "God hears me"
8. Levi = "Joined to me"
9. Issachar = "Purchased Me"
10. Zebulun = "Dwelling"
11. Joseph = "God will add to me"
12. Benjamin = "Son of His right hand"

And so. . .notice what happens when the meaning of the names are combined, in the same order, into a paragraph:
"I will praise the Lord for He has looked on me and granted good fortune. Happy am I because my struggle is forgotten. God hears me and is joined to me. He has purchased me a dwelling. God will add to me the Son of His right hand." (The words in italics are supplied to complete each thought.)

As truthislight asked::::

Who will they rule over??

The angels??

Or will they rule over Yahweh??

Who??

Who will be the subjects??

Has any1 here really sat down to ask ::::why of all the wonders the holy spirit enabled Jesus exhibit(e.g...performing miracles,),speaking in tongues was never one of them.....??


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Why did the holy spirit enable the apostles and early christians speak in tongues??
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What did the apostles and early christians accomplish with the gift of speaking in tongues??

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Do we need to speak in tongues today or is it necessary??
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What has recent tongue speakers aCcomplished with there speaking in tongues??




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What we hear persons speak today all in the name of speaking in tongues,does it ryhme with how the 1st century christians made use of the gift of speaking in tongues ??

Is speaking in tongues a must for one to know he or she is filled with the holy spirit??

Enigma: @ frosbel

One more "cherry picking" for you.

Matthew 1:23 (NIV)

Hehehehehe....

I laugh again....

Listen everybody....

ENIGMA is telling all of us that all the people answering EMMANUEL or EMMANUELA including my cousin that bears the name EMMANUEL is GOD...

Did y'all hear that??

Jesus been named Emmanuel in no way proved he Is the almighty....got it??

It was never unusual for hebrew names to include withing them the word for God or even an abbreviated form of Gods personal name...

For example ELI'ATHAH which was d name of a servant of Jah in the past means ""GOD has come""........JEHU means ""Yahweh is HE""

I believe these persons were God too??

For u to quote matthew 1:23 to support your stance only shows you are finished.....

You'll soon run out of verses...

Enigma: Ah, thanks for the strike out ----- I guess I was thinking too much of the language filter changing Ti.t to bosom and forgot I only needed to write Timothy anyway.

Well since we have mentioned our brother Titus why don't we take one from the epistle written to him then?

I guess it would also be another one for "translation", "punctuation", commas, apostrophes, alliteration, onomatopoeia etc etc etc

Ah which version should we use now? Well, let's stick to two of our friends' favourites.

Titus 2:13

NIV

NLT

Heheheh....

I had been waiting for u to quote titus 2:13....

Welcome....

But 1st let me show u what the same paul told the romans in that same book of romans...

Romans 15:5 $ 6...

Romans 15:5-6
New International Version (NIV)
5 May the God who gives endurance and
encouragement give you the same attitude of
mind toward each other that Christ Jesus had,
6 so that with one mind and one voice you may
glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus
Christ......


Did u take a look @ verse 6??

Paul again says Yahweh is the Father and GOD of our Lord Jesus.....

Does it ryhme with ur false understanding of romans 9:5??

I repeat ur fellow trinitarians dis-agree with you on romans 9:5.....and they translated it the right way...read up romans 9:5 from NABS,RSV and the Goodnews bible...your fellow trinitarians in those translations rendered romans 9:5 to fit with truth...

So that bible truths can be coherent and well founded.....

Enigma and CO...

Stop cherry picking...

It is deleterious....

It only exposes you and your likes....

frosbel: Shows you do not read your bible , which one is 1 Titus

I can't do justice to this right now, a little busy, but expect some simple explanations later on in the day.

Lol...

Funny guys.....

They cherry pick verses that even there fellow trinitarians dis-agree with.....

I just showed this enigma of a man trinitarian translations that differ from the rest he put up there....he's acting like he didn't see it......

The truth stands......

Yahweh is God over Christ.....

The bible affirms that uncountable times....

Ihedinobi: Guess I have to deal with this before I go on to the thing I want to tell my brothers.

You do know what syntax is, right? It's the body of grammatical rules that guide sentence structure. Which of the translations maintain(s) it in that instance? Also, which of them maintain(s) consistency with the context as well as with the whole letter, in fact, with the whole Bible?

Did u read up the NABS ,RSV and the GOOd news bible??

Punctuation is the glaring problem there...

Because paul over and over again through out his books has said Yahweh is the 1 GOD and Father over all....that Yahweh is the God of Jesus.....

You don't cherry pick scriptures to support your stance especially when it doesn't agree with the rest of the bible....

Your fellow trinitarians who are sincere dis-agree to the fact that romans 9:5 is reffereing to Jesus...

Your fellow trinitarians know that that verse should be rendered the right way....

That is why the NABS,RSV and the goodnews bible put it down the right way.....

Enigma:

Another one for "translation" coming up.

1 Titus 3:16

Look up what I wrote....

Stop cherry picking verses ..........

And its 1 timothy 3:16....

That verse was also and has been probed over and over again.. ....

I expected u to have quoted this 1 tinothy 3:16 from NIV and the rest....

Enigma: @ frosbel

One more 'dribbling' for you. Oh, I have also gone to the trouble of selecting two special Bible versions for you.

Romans 9:5

(Aramaic Bible in Plain English)

NLT

I suppose I shouldn't forget your favourite?

NIV

Let's check up these translations too mr enigma......

"Theirs the patriarchs, and from them,
according to the flesh, is the Messiah.
God who is over all be blessed forever.
Amen." (NAB)

.......
"to them belong the patriarchs, and of
their race, according to the flesh, is
the Christ. God who is over all be
blessed for ever. Amen." (RSV).

GOODnews bible::

They are descended from the famous Hebrew ancestors; and Christ,as a Human being,belongs to their race..May God,who rules over all,be praised for ever!!.Amen.

Punctuation problems::

, the Greek grammar of this verse
allows for three possible translations and
this is admitted by all reputable
Trinitarian scholars. The key issue at
Romans 9:5 essentially concerns
punctuation. Paul did not use the modern
punctuation conventions that we use today.
He did not provide commas and periods in
Romans 9:5 as translators conveniently
give us and translators have three options
open to them.
1. Christ according to the flesh who is
God over all be blessed to the ages.
Amen.
2. Christ according to the flesh who is
over all. God be blessed to the ages.
Amen.
3. Christ according to the flesh. God
who is over all be blessed to the ages.
Amen.
The actual Greek text reads, "kai ex wn o
cristoV to kata sarka o wn epi pantwn qeoV
euloghtoV eiV touV aiwnaV amhn," and
comes out word for word in English as, "and
out of whom the Christ according to flesh
the one being over all God be blessed to
the ages amen." No commas, no periods.
The verse can be, and should be, translated
as "from whom the Christ according to the
flesh. God who is over all be blessed to the
ages. Amen.", or possibly but not likely,
"from whom the Christ according to the
flesh who is over all. God be blessed to the
ages. Amen."....


Now enigma......

Your likes who are always bent on holding on to the spurious trinity dogma will twist that verse,misplace punctuations marks just to achieve your desires.....

Those 3 translations I quoted from were revised by your fellow trinitarians,who knew that,that verse doesn't say Jesus is God over all......

(NAB,RSV and the GOODnews bible)

Warning:::::

Don't cherry pick scriptures to support your pagan stance.......

The scriptures are clear as to who is God over all.....

Jesus many times said it....

YAHWEH.......

Enigma: Or, for that matter, as "a god"?

Ah, let me remind our friends of just one of the scriptures referring to Jesus as God; this one using the words of God the Father Himself.

Hebrews 1 (NIV)





(Edited)

It might surprise u to know that,that verse was applied to solomon 1st and then to the greater solomon(Jesus)......


Keep deluding yourself.......

That verse says Jesus has a God....don't u get it??

And that ,that God that is God over Jesus appointed him(Jesus)....

Yahweh is greater than Jesus...

Concur and stay blessed......

MacDaddy01: Go and kill yourself. The world would be better off without wicked people like you who want the non-christians to suffer.

Lol......


That's Yahwehs will bro....

That's why we say""repent""......

MacDaddy01: You and buzugee aka obadiah are psychopaths.


You are sick. You want war. You want people to suffer for peace.


Notice the bold part. Wht makes you think that buddhists, atheists, agnostics, deists etc need annihilation? You support that? We must love your god that we dont believe in or else be annihilated?


You are sick. So because you were born into christianity, yu believe that you should have more rights than others? Unbelievers should be annihilated? How about people born in india who are hindus, or in Jpapan who become bhuddist or Europe who become atheists? They are unlucky not to live near christians and should be annihilated?


You disgust me. In the UK most people will ignore you and avoid people like you for the sick freaks you are.

Unfortuntely, in Nigeria where stupi.dity reigns supremme, you ares een to be normal with you apocalypictic nonsense

Don't get too worked up bro...
Its gonna be a spiritual war.....Yahweh and His son and the angels would be the one fighting that war....

I don't have to pick up arms...:-).....

Get ready!!!!......

That war is imminent

Dipwater: "Without war there can't be ultimate peace" coming from the one and only buzugee aka obadiah

Friend I have peace in my life ,pls I wuld luv to tap from ur wisdom,kindly explain to me how war could lead to "ultimate peace" thank u

The war of the great day of Yahweh.....

That War is what will bring about absolute peace...

It won't be fought by humans.....Yahweh and his king designate(Yehshua a.k.a Jesus) will be the ones battling it out.....

World rulers and there governments would be broken and crushed to pieces......

That war would bring lasting benefits to those who had done the will of Jesus's Father,but would Bring annihilation on those who do not Love God......

Image123: don't have an heart attack, i may yet say that. i thought as much, you would be lost for words. Why not go look for some article to copy and paste as reply like frosb?

Lol....

I wanna hear you say God died....so that I can SMH!!!!!!.........

I don't have to paste articles...

I'll just open the scriptures to show you that God cannot die...

Incase u didn't know.....

Once again I'll say;:::the trinity dogma is useless and baseless.....

Image123: so to my comments. Hole seekers, resume full time, yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy.


Neither is the word 'Bible', very boring.


Give us a clear one anywhere, then i'll show you that one in the Bible.


Religious people differ greatly on their concept of god, so let's pack our bags and go home, we've discovered reason there is no God.


the Father God, and the Son God ( Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. )
the Spirit God- (Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.)



1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


context, context, and context.

Phi 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phi 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Will Jesus lie, Is Jesus faithful? Context and contrast. Who is the Holy One?

Hos 11:9 I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.
Mar 1:24 Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.
Act 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

It's such a shame that you don't know the basics as to why Jesus came to earth.


Bite yourself, He became us.
Heb 7:26 For such a high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Take a bite of 'contradiction'(Jonah 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not. )/neither the son of man, that he should repent:



Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isa 41:4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Rev 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea
perhaps 'Yahweh' also got a beginning, seeing He's first and last like Jesus.


Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ;
1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
i'm awaiting the glorious appearing of the great God.



Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
you need history lessons from the Bible, all these boring articles are making you dull. God became flesh, man. God was manifest in the flesh.

And God died.....you forgot to mention that......

Nonsense trinity dogma.......

Enigma: @ frosbel

Hebrews 1:8 (GWT)



Words of God the Father ------ not Enigma's words . . . . . . .

It might surprise you to know that there are about 3 ways in which that verse was translated from the original texts...

But trinitarians chose one because they want to hold on to that pagan formular...

But the next verse (9) says that God that was annointed has a God....

And many scriptures have proven that Jesus has a Father and God....and that we share the same God with Jesus....

You guys need to throw away the trinity dogma...

Its spurious and useless....


Please pick up a GOODnews bible and look up the foot note for hebrews 1:8...

When you do that come back and let's discuss......

debosky: Stop being foolish - I am talking about THE SAVIOUR, not one of many.



You need to coach yourself first.

An apostle is different from The apostle, just as The Saviour is different from A Saviour. There can be numerous 'a saviours' but only one 'The saviour'.

You do not comprehend what 'exactly the same' but on a 'grander scale' means, you do not comprehend the difference between 'a saviour' and 'The saviour'.

You are completely unable to understand these are basic grammatical differences so I will refrain from proceeding with you to prevent further circular arguments.

Your just running away from truth......

Its in front of you...keep running...it'll surely catch up with you.....

Keep deluding yourself with the pagan triology....

When I eat well I'll come handle u....

debosky: Grander scale implies only the size is different - however the difference is far more fundamental.



There is only one Saviour - Jehovah. He is THE Saviour - if Jesus is also THE Saviour then he is God!

If moses is saviour ,then moses is God too....

Put on your thinking caps and forsake the trinity.....

It won't kill you to embrace truths that are staring @ you....

Let me coach you a little...

Jesus is called an"" apostle""......

All the 12 are also called apostles....


Are the apostles Jesus??

Or is Jesus the same with peter,john etc??

Femmymata2: Ofourse, my pastor actually called me a demon when i told him that i'm obsessed with hell,i imagine myself gnashing my teeth,roasting and burning in hot,sulphur fire forever. He went mad and told me i needed deliverance, Please i want hell to exist

Hahahahahahahahah......

Oboy u sure say u no dey drink shekpe??

MacDaddy01: They are christians. Hypocrites like you who claim to have the utmost morality in their religion but christianity is home to many atrocities like slavery and mass deception.

Point; you dont need god to be good. There are good christians, good bhuddists and good atheists.



Yaweh is not necessary

Jesus Christ was a perfect good man....

He didn't steal nobody's money or tricked people....he didn't oppress the poor nor engage in vile acts...

So any 1 who professes to be a christians but acts contrary to Jesus's words and actions isn't a christian...

Thank u!!!

obadiah777: YOU CAN KEEP PAYING YOUR TITHES. AS FOR ME, I AINT BUYING NO PRIVATE JETS OR SNAKE SKIN SHOES OR BENTLEYS FOR NO CHARLATAN. THIS IS CALLED 'ENABLING'. YOU ARE ENABLING THE MAN IN HIS SINS OF COVETOUSNESS AS SUCH YOU ARE AN ACCOMPLICE.

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Lol

Exactly..

When the members pay so much tithe ,the OGA daddy gets phantoms and bombadier challengers...

SMH!!!!!

MacDaddy01: True.



However, what does that say about religion? Yaweh, Allah and christ are not necessary to be a good person.

The truth is the rulers in 9ja aren't Christians...

U doubt??

Jenwitemi: Can Jesus be referred to as a SLAVE? Show it to us here where he was referred to as one. Is a person called A SLAVE equal to another person referred to as a SLAVE MASTER?

Yes Jesus was and is a slave....

But slave of who??

##New International Version (©1984)
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God
of our fathers, has glorified his ""servant"" Jesus.
You handed him over to be killed, and you
disowned him before Pilate, though he had
decided to let him go.
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##New Living Translation (©2007)
For it is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and
Jacob--the God of all our ancestors--who has
brought glory to his ""servant"" Jesus by doing
this. This is the same Jesus whom you handed
over and rejected before Pilate, despite
Pilate's decision to release him.
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