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Rich4god: From your reply, i can deduce that celebrating xmas is a sin. Now whats your take on christian that make use of facebook and other commodities that originated from athiest/pagans or what do you say about christians dancing and listening to music that were made by illuminates... Guess they are all sinners...

Just take a look @ your comparison.....

Is facebook a pagan holiday??

You should have compared the xmas holiday with mayb the sango or oduduwa festival.......

Dec 25th was gotten from the birth day of d sun God.....was it necessary??

Why associate Jesus with paganism??

Did Jesus beg for it??.....

Of what use is the xmas celebratn?

What effect has it had on christianity other than submerging professed christians into paganism.....

italo: Idolaters... Pagans

Italo abeg why Gej dey kneel down there??lmao......

Commot that picture b4 SSS begin find you o...

italo: My God is The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.

Now who is Thomas' God? Yahweh or Jesus?

You are one hell of a pagan.....

Have u read john 20:17 before in your catholic life??

How can your God be the Father ,the son and the Holy spirit??

Are u not deranged??

Is thomas your role model.....??

Or Jesus...??

Even after Jesus told us who full devotion should be given to u still mention 3 Gods.....

Idol worshipper!!!!!...

italo: I don't know. It's possible they did. The Bible doesn't say they did but Apostle John said that so many things that happened weren't recorded. Christmas could have been one of them. Besides even if John didn't say it, shouldn't your tiny Jehovah's Witness brain have told you that?


I don't know. It's possible she did. The Apostle John said that so many things that happened weren't recorded. Mary celebrating Christmas could have been one of them. Besides even if John didn't say it, shouldn't your tiny Jehovah's Witness brain have told you that? However, the Bible tells us she was present and aware when the three wise men were celebrating Christmas.


Billions have done so through the ages. Billions will repeat it in 2months time.


I don't know. It's possible they did. The Bible doesn't say he did but Apostle John said that so many things he did weren't recorded. Christmas could have been one of them. Besides even if John didn't say it, shouldn't your tiny Jehovah's Witness brain have told you that? However, he was present and aware when the three wise men were celebrating it.


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Do u hear your replies??

I DONT KNOW was your answer to each of my question....why??

Ofcus xmas has no bible backing....

How can u assume the apostles celebrated xmas??were they pagans like the catholics??

And who the hell told u the 3 wise men celebrated xmas??you must be smoking something lately.....
And on what date was that??the spurious pagan december 25th??

Billions of xmas celebrants does nt include the 1st century christians...hope u understand??...

The early christians were followers of Christ not some pagan recruits under the guise of christianity who sprang up from the 3rd and 4th century.........

And do u still bring out those 3 gifts the wise men brought to Jesus to celebrate the birth of Jesus??were there xmas trees back then??was that mumu santa clause also present @ the birth of Jesus??

You bro are one hell of a pagan.......

Don't ever raise up the bible to support this false pagan celebration anymore...its an insult to the bible.....

Rich4god: Am still waiting for response to the above question.

Na for our mouth u wan hear say charcoal black abi??

Ask Jesus that question.....

I believe u have the bible to draw your conclusions.....

If pagan observances can be tied up to our Lord Jesus,how do u define such??

haibe: Me i dont like the way some people celebrate christmas sha Oº°˚˚°ºh, its not necessary to assign a day to celebrate the birth of christ, infact pple now take it as a day to drink alcohol, fornicate..etc, but there is notin wrong there in celebrating it as a christian should.

Which christians my dear bro haibe??

We are not d 1st christians to have existed....

So I ask which christians??

Except u mean the catholics,the founders of pagan celebrations.....

italo: Firstly, I will ask you where you got that definition from? Is it from the dictionary, the Bible or your head?

From your answer, it would mean that wealth or a person cannot be worshipped. Do you see that your understanding of "worship" is inadequate?

If I render devotion to the Bible or to my parents, you would say I am worshipping them?

How can u render devotion to the bible??u must be insane to do that....we read the bible,we don't render devotion to it...

And people worship and render full devotion to money or a person...........kings back then in ancient times were worshipped(people rendered devotion to them)....even today one can put up a pix of lionel messi and render devotion to it.......

If u put up a picture of your parents and every morning u pray through them or recite words of worship to them,then that is clear idolatry........

Do u see the point??

There are many who feel there dead ancestors can intercede for them ,and so they pray through them using there pictures or whatever that was attached to that person when he or she was alive...that is idol worship....

So I want u to tell me what marys image is doing for you and your catholic colleageues
......
...what is the significance of bowing down and reciting words of devotion to a lifeless image or statute??

Please tell me....and connect it to the scriptures or to some precepts that Jesus laid down....

italo: You know I have told you to go see a psychiatrist before. Nairaland will not solve your problem o.

So you didn't read the verses I gave where the wise men were overjoyed and brought gifts to the child Jesus and worshipped him. Yet you are saying no scripture to support my claim. Even though you are still yet to show me where the Bible says "Christmas is a pagan holiday". And you are yet to tell me what the wise men are celebrating.

Please go and examine your brain o.

Besides didn't the Holy Spirit say through St. Paul that you should learn in quietness and submission? Is that what you are doing?

Did the apostles celebrate xmas??

Did mary celebrate xmas??

Did any level headed christian ever celebrate the birth of Christ??

Did Jesus commemorate his own birth day??

Answer these questions...if u can't go hide ya face somewhere..."Lol...

frosbel: God's WORD which became flesh was in the beginning with GOD , no ?

Also God's wisdom which is a SHE was also with GOD at the beginning , no ?

Okay , let me give you an example .


Blessed are those who find wisdom,
those who gain understanding,
14 for she is more profitable than silver
and yields better returns than gold.
15 She is more precious than rubies;
nothing you desire can compare with her
......
19 By wisdom the Lord laid the earth’s foundations,
by understanding he set the heavens in place;
20 by his knowledge the watery depths were divided,
and the clouds let drop the dew - Proverbs 3


If we use your logic to analyse the scripture above :

1. We will call wisdom a divine being
2. And refer to her as a She

Which means , she must have pre-existed with God and helped him with creation , no ?

Mate , if you cannot perform a thorough bible study on your own, no one can help you.

Relying on church tradition till condemn you to HELL.



And so was WISDOM, God made everything through HER , no ?



And how does ALPHA and OMEGA make one GOD.

What about 'firstborn from the dead' or 'the beginning of the creation of GOD' , should we overlook these terms used to describe Jesus.

What about Jesus calling GOD his GOD , should we just skip over this and render it's meaning irrelevant.

The Catholic church is a habitual LIAR , forger and possesses the spirit of the antiChrist , that has an immense disdain for everything relating to GOD.





Again, the result of poor study.

In Hebrew culture, to say that you are before someone means that you are greater than them , and even if we take this literally , was it not GOD who was speaking through Christ Jesus, was God not one with his SON through HIS Spirit.

I don't speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it - John 12:49



Should we then throw away half of the bible that says GOD is ONE , just to please the PAGAN catholic church.

I say God forbid.




I am anti-catholic till death




You mean truths , like praying with a Pagan rosary , chanting to dead saints, a gibberish of a mass, sun worship and all that pagan stuff.

No Sir.

Let me remain a heretic.

Jesus is LORD, GOD is ONE and the Catholic Church is the HARLOT Church not the real one.

I just asked ubenidictus to explain what Jesus being the 1st born of all creation means...he said 1st born there means pre-eminence... Trinitarians say that “first-born” here means prime, most excellent, most distinguished; thus Christ would be understood to be, not part of creation, but the most distinguished in relation to those who were created. If that is so, and if the Trinity doctrine is true, why are the Father and the holy spirit not also said to be the firstborn of all creation? But the Bible applies this expression only to the Son. According to the customary meaning of “firstborn,” it indicates that Jesus is the eldest in Yahweh’s family of sons.

 Before Colossians 1:15, the expression “the firstborn of” occurs upwards of 30 times in the Bible, and in each instance that it is applied to living creatures the same meaning applies—the firstborn is part of the group. “The firstborn of Israel” is one of the sons of Israel; “the firstborn of Pharaoh” is one of Pharaoh’s family; “the firstborn of beast” are themselves animals. What, then, causes some to ascribe a different meaning to it at Colossians 1:15? Is it Bible usage or is it a belief to which they already hold and for which they seek proof?


Then how do we explain Jesus being the 1st born from the dead...

Did Jesus escape death??wasn't Jesus part of the Family of all those who tested death and indeed die??...and ofcus we know Yahweh isn't part of that group.....

Trinitarians just twist words to suit there beliefs even when the truth is staring right in there faces.....

italo: Why ask me questions when you never answer mine?

I just answered your mumu question on the other post....lol....

U said I should define worship...I just did....

And I asked....what are u doing with marys image....

So answer my question...

Who is your God??

Yahweh or Jesus??

italo: So you didn't know what "worship" meant before making allegations?

Ha!

in the religious context ""worship"" means rendering devotion to a God or an image...

So tell me what are u doing with marys image...

Ubenedictus: As usual u want to spin d discussion into an arguement about titles. I noted it d moment u mentioned morning star. Weldone hahaha, first born or first begotten can be applied to the father because d fada is neither born nor begotten, just d way no one will call d son unbegetten so also no on can call d fada first born.
The other title u mentioned is the "arche" of creation, the source of creation, that name can be applied to d father and even d father calls himself "the "arche" and the end".
is the title fada attached to the son? Hahaha, ijawkid stop amusing me.


let us go and check d bible. Col 1:15-16. "he is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; for in all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities and authorities-all things were created through him and for him"
do you see that the bible explains itself the "first born" is a term of preeminence, he is d first born of creation for in him all thing were created in heaven and on earth

Nope....1st born indicates Jesus is part of creation.......

How would u apply 1st born to when Jesus is said to be the 1st born from the dead??
Didn't Jesus taste death??and was ressurected??Jesus tasted death and was the 1st to be ressurected to heaven......Jesus was part of the family of those who died and was ressurected,but he is the 1st of them all.........Jesus didn't evade death and ressurection and then called 1st born from the dead......but he experienced death,was ressurected and would again be used as Yahwehs agent to ressurect many to everlasting life.....


Why would the word ""1st born""change its meaning when Jesus is called 1st born of all creation.....you and your cohorts have exempted Jesus from Yahwehs creative works because of the trinity......

In all the scriptures the word 1zt born when applied to creation or creatures refers to the individual being part of the family......
When it geets to colossians 1:15 you say 1st born means pre-eminence....you fail brother...




For you to say the expression ""1st born of all creation"" can be applied to the Father only tells me you are finished...

I believe the Father is also the 1st born from the dead??...

No make me call you mumu o.......

Also Jesus is called image of the invincible God,....can that expression be used for the Father??

Can Yahweh be the image of the invincible God??

Ofcus we know Yahweh is that God which we all are an image of.....

Ubenedictus: nah they have a "spiritual body"

hahaha, u want to equate Jesus to the angels wu worship him abi?

really Then how come Jesus has d fulness of his fadas deity? Not a measure but d fulness


what is new here When Jesus came to earth he was as man and like us in everything except sin. He took our nature, he became our brother and according to the human nature he took he was "less than the angels" but as God the angels worship him.
so in ur dictionary begotten equals "made" abi?? It was for people like u that d council of nicea said, "GOD FROM GOD, LIGHT FROM LIGHT, TRUE GOD FROM TRUE GOD, BEGOTTEN NOT MADE"

You must be on some cheap drink....

It gets u cajoled when I say the angels must be equal to Jesus,but its easy for u to say Jesus is equal to his Father...

Wasn't Jesus called a morning star??abi u wan deny that one??

And this your expression ""true God from true God"" gets me cracked up....

We don't have 2 true Gods,we only have one,,,so start speaking biblical rather than on your trinity knowledge...

Begotten from any dictionary means::::breed,cause,generate,produceFather..etc.....

There is no way u can define the word begotten that will make Jesus equal to his Father....

I asked u::::: can we say the Father is begotten of the son??



Since u have trivialized the word ""begotten""....

And please let's talk about Jesus being the 1st born of all creation.......

And if light came from light it only shows there was an existing light that gave birth to more light.......

Our parents begot us...our parents existed b4 us to beget us in the 1st place...

Humans beget humans...that doesn't mean all humans existed the same time with adam...

Put on your thinking caps nigga

italo: @ Ijawkid,

What then is worship?

Give me your definition 1st.....


Stop bowing down to marys image....

It is called idolatry...

obadiah777: YES ITS A SIN AGAINST YOUR MATTRESS

Hahahahahahahahaha....

I go die for laugh o.....

italo: John 20:28: 'Thomas said to him, "my Lord and my God"'

Frosbel & Plappville: 'Shut up Thomas! He's not your God.'

Who is your God??

Yahweh or Jesus??

italo: What then is worship?

SMH!!!!!.......

Stop bowing down to an image...

How I wish u guys lived in the times of the isrealites....you know what would have happened to you guys....

Did Jesus bow down to any imAge??

@ubenidictus....

Also start preparing to tell me if words like ""1st born of all creation"",,,""beginning of the creation of God"".....begotten can be applied to the Father.......

Since you say they are equal I think such titles can be attached to the Father........


Why is Jesus called the 1st (born) of all creation??

Ubenedictus: ijawkid u are kidding me.

go and check well the word there is "arche" and it means source not effect, so well understood that passage says Jesus is the source of creation, besides the father uses the word "arche" wen he says "im d begining and d end" does that make the father a creature Learn to read and read with understanding.

and there is no "before" in eternity

this is where u display ignorance, prior to "the beginning" d fada son and spirit didnt exist in time, they did in eternity, eternity is outside time, without duration, eternity has neither begining nor end that is why God is eternal, wen i say d father beget d son from all eternity, i also imply that the son is without begining or end.

hahaha, u are the one wu do not understand the concept of eternity, d inability to grasp eternity has nting to do with me.

u are missing up tenses again, he doesnt "recieves" no! He "recieved" past tense.

and yet the bible say Jesus knows all things
peace and gudmarwin

And please a scripture that says Jesus knows all things??

Then why didn't he know when d end will come??

U fail to answer that abi??

It seems all the things Jesus knows when d end will come is not. included.......

Show me from the scriptures that Jesus is all knowing and all powerful...

And u forgot that Jesus is reffered to as the 1st born of all creation........

And from your definition of begginning can we also say ""Yahweh is the beginning of all creation""??......

Can we apply titles like 1st born of creation to Yahweh and the holy spirit??,.......

Start putting on your thinking caps because we are goin to deliberate on Jesus been the 1st born of all creation.....

Jesus received power doesn't change the fact that he got power from some1 greater than him.....

Jesus never had that power that was why he was given..........

Think bro!!!!..........

And once again Jesus is was created by Yahweh......that is why you and I share the same exact God with Jesus....

If u haven't thought of that ,start thinking.........

And UBE like I said every single being in heaven are spirits......

Who is given authority more and who has authority more is what differentiates the spirit beings in heaven....after all Jesus is a morning star........I believe u know that....??...

Yahweh has no equals...not before,not now and for all eternity........

If u ever equate Jesus with Yahweh,be ready to equate we humans with Jesus......

Ready??

We all share 1 common trait with Jesus.....we all were made in the image of Yahweh....

But that can't be said of Yahweh ofcus who is the maker of everybody with Jesus included...

Ubenedictus: u gat to be kidding me!!! Are you saying that the angel also posses the fulness of the deity?

u just made it an issue. So what is made, a handiwork has the same nature with the maker, wow!! Ijawkid has d same nature with d stuff "he made out of nothing". Wow!!!

i u cant seem to put ur bible down and see how two persons of d same nature can be greater than or less than.

really Jesus said "ALL the father has is mine" how come u think there was something d fada hid from his only bgotten son?

nothing for me "to get"

this is a joke, do u know that creation was created "for christ". Yes all is from the father thru d son and for the son. Do u need scripture passages to prove that? So how come creation is for d 'agent' God used? U are nolonger logical.

hahaha, he is creator by d fact that he is God and posses d fullness of d state. Not just an agent, he esecuted created and creation was "for him".

he is also equal to the agent by nature, he is only greater than d agent by rank.
Did u get that

there is nothing i have i didnt recieve from my parents yet by human nature i am also their equal and as a human deserve d dignity that shuld b accorded to humans.
im aware of this, im also aware that the fada gave all to the son all not some

i already said he was begotten, this isnt news.

Now you are not agreeing that Yahweh is greater than Jesus....this is where the trinity has landed you.......

Yahweh given Jesus all power doesn't mean Yahweh remain powerless....the point is

Yahweh gave Jesus,Jesus never had it....if u had your thinking caps on you would have noticed that........

Yahweh is not only greater than Jesus by rank...in evry way Yahweh is greater......

Even if we hold on to your point that Yahweh is only greater than Jesus by rank,it still means Yahweh is greater than Jesus.....Jesus will be a subordinate to Yahweh forever...mark those words ""FOREVER"".......

There is no time Jesus will be equal to his GOD and Father.......

Yahweh is the God of Jesus....

Ubenidictus think and write.......

Jesus cannot be equal to his GOD and Father....

The trinity has finished you........

Yahweh engaging his son in creation for. The son,only shows Yahweh as a loving Father is entrusting his son with tasks and responsibilities.....ofcus Jesus is the 1st born of all creation.........that doesn't mean Yahweh is not the grand master and creator who caused the existence of Jesus....

Jesus lives because of the Father....Yahweh can kill Jesus if he wants to...he holds Jesus' life.........

Yahweh can kill every being in heaven and on earth............he is the almighty......not even Jesus can beat that.......

Get that into your skull....

passion007: @ OP:

just one question--if Jesus isn't God, who is Jesus?

Jesus is the son of God,servant of the most high,high priest of the most high,mediator between the 1 true God and man,apostle of Yahweh.....

You guys have become so obsseses with Jesus being God that u have forgotten who Jesus really is and what he is doing in the heavens......

albacete: believe what u want Sir, i have said it again and again: God is TRINITY.

Nobody said it is 3 Yahwehs, it is 1 Yahweh in 3 persons. Read joe4christ's posts and get a better understanding of the trinity.

Ur colleague here is saying Yahweh is name that belongs to more than 1 person.....that is heresy @ its peak.....

The trinity has no foundation in the bible...its an old pagan crap.....

God is 1 in 1...not 3 in 1......

God is 1 and not triune.....

Learn from Jesus and leave paganism alone.

Ubenedictus: really For me it build everything, to begat is to cause to be from ur own substance, to begat is to generate ur replica in biology ur very specie, the father begat is son from all eternity, why wont the son have d fullness of his father's state or nature?? He posseses nature that has no bgining and will have no end becos it is his fadas nature. That is what eternal means.

ofcuz d divine state is from d fada, how can that state have a bgining?

just give me quotes.

u mean d fada generated a person frm his substance and u are telling me that the father's substance has a bging

are u sure about that becos d son glorified d fada even though d fada wasnt lacking glory.

and i explained that by recieving d fulnes of his father's Godhood state he recieved all that came with with. That is how he recieved all from the fada.

i already answered this, ipso factum that he posses the fulness of d divine nature he also posseses the fullness of the divine attributes including knowledge.
So yes Jesus is all knowing.
Did i stammer??

You are just struggling to explain the begotten.....

You didn't not begin life the same time with your parents who begot u......true or false??

Revelations 3:14 clearly says Jesus is the beginning of Yahwehs creative works.....

Like I always tell u......the begetter must be greater and must exist b4 the begotten.....

That premise is always correct.....

Jesus never existed simultaneously the same time with his Father....that is heresy......!!!!....

Jesus had a beginning.....some1 kick started Jesus' life.......

John 5:57
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"As the living Father sent Me, and I"" live""
because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he
also will live because of Me.
........

Its because of Yahweh Jesus ever existed.......

Jesus lives because the Father who is the source of life kick started Jesus' existence...

For you to be denying this only shows what the trinity dogma has done to you....

And I will tell you again that Jesus isn't all powerful.......he recieves power from some one higher than him.....

And Jesus isn't all knowing.....

He doesn't know when the end will come...only 1 person knows,and that person isn't Jesus.....

MacDaddy01: Catholics have traditions. Confession is not bible based. I mentioned that. It is a tradition meant to keep people in line with the eucharist.


Now, I am ex-cathiolic. I dont believe their crap but they are more christian than any protestant church you join.


name your church and let me dissect it for you.

Then go back to them and stop acting jejune.....

italo: The question of "how can you" does not arise, because we created it. Simple.

I understand that you can't bring yourself to accept publicly that that Church which you hate so much is the same one that gave you the Bible which you hold so dear and true.

But perhaps you should ask your question, only with a different mindset.

Can a false and evil Church create a true and holy book?

If the Catholic Church is evil, why do I believe them when they say that the book of Mark is inspired scripture. Is it written anywhere in the Bible that the book of Mark was written by Mark? How do I know? - The Catholic Church told me so. Why do I believe? - Because it is the Church founded by Jesus Christ.

Ask yourself.

Sorry...

The catholic church wasn't founded by Christ...if it was it wouldn't have killed people to pass on doctrines.....that church took part in the crusade that claimed the lives of many.....there is no way it was founded by Christ....except Christ never existed.....

Christ never worshipped idols,he worshipped Yahweh....you guys practice d opposite......

Ubenedictus: beautiful

this is the reason why philosophers say "all analogies limp" i cant successful explain equality accding to nature by using human nature as example but that is how far it goes becos human and divine nature are different. Ipso factum that the fada is God he posseses supreme Power, because supreme power over all creation is accding to the divine nature ipso factum. If power, authority e.tc. Possesed by d very fact of having d Godhood state then truly christ accding to nature posses supreme power, authority and dominion given to him by right by his fada ipso factum that he has been given and has the fullness of the Godhood state. It is in that sense that he (JESUS) is truly all powerful as he posses power over all that was created by him.

i thought in the first paragraph u agreed to equality by nature in the last paragraph u jumped back again. Beside different "ranks" doesnt disprove the equality accding to nature. Hope u know that. So pointing to scriptures that describe the father as "head", "God", "my God" and d son as "subject" or "servant" doesnt disprove anything.

Hey bro in terms of nature(spirit beings) all the angels in heaven are like God....

That's not the issue......

The issue here is Yahweh is greater than Jesus.....and u are still trying to water that down.......that is exactly what the trinity is doing to you...

Yahweh would be greater than Jesus in rank,power,knowledge etc for all eternity...

Don't u get it??

Jesus was the agent Yahweh used in creation......

An agent cannot be as powerful as the oga who gave him the priviledge of being an agent....

That's what u fail to understand......

The owner of a house who appoints an agent to bring tenants into his house must be greater than the agent he appointed...

Common sense should tell you that...

There is nothing that Jesus has that he didn't receive......

Mark my words.....the Father gave Jesus everything Jesus owns and have....

Starting from life....

Ubenedictus: really? I can find ur "numerous" scripture, where are they?? Did u hid them somewhere.

hahaha, my bible also say christ is almighty, and im not suprised that christ has his role in heaven. He was d one wu took our nature so he is reponsible for mediating for us.

u havent provided ur numerous scripture, where is it?

i corrected you the last time but u decided to repeat ur mistake the term "before" and "after" refers to time. The son was bgotten from all eternity, there is nothing like before and after in eternity becos eternity is outside time. So telling me that d fada exist "before" the son is a silly statement becos u cant b "before" in eternity.

The word begot squashes everything........

There is no need for Jesus to be begotten if He(Jesus) never had a beginning...

That word explains everythin........

Jesus himself says he is the beginning of the creation of God........there is the 1 true God(Yahweh) and there is Jesus who is the beginning of the creative works of that 1 true God(Yahweh)

Jesus had a start,he was beggotten....we don't know when but he did have a start...Yahweh is the source that kick started Jesus's existence.....

If u knew Jesus was exalted and appointed as king of Gods kingdom and as well given power how can you say Jesus is all powerful.....??you can't receive what u already have.....that would be madness!!!!!

Jesus himself says" all power has been given to me"".....everything Jesus has he received.....
He received power,recived kingdoms(which he still handed back to his giver) and life......
Do u still want scriptures to prove all that??I think you know those scriptures


And you dodged the all knowing and all-good part of the debate.....

Is Jesus all knowing ??

No stammer o....

Ubenedictus: this simply says Yahweh is one it doesnt even exclude the posible of more than one person in Yahweh. U didnt proof ur position.

Your thoughts has got heresy written all over it......

Bible says Yahweh is 1,but u mr benidictus wants to turn that around...oya open scriptures show me.....

Soon you'll start going to sodom and gomorrah,cherry picking scriptures that have nothin to do with trinity and forcing trinity into it.......

Open where the bible says that Yahweh is more than 1 person or that many persons bare the name Yahweh....I dey here dey wait for you....

italo: That the Bible disagrees with Catholic doctrine is only your weak and erroneous opinion.

The Catholic Church gave the world the Bible in the fourth century. Whether it burns your skin or not...

Lol.....and your doctrines are opposite of what the bible teaches.....

Xmas not in the bible...
Easter no where to be found...
Trinity no way.......
Mary worship no way.....
Use of cross in worship no way.....
Infant baptism not In the bible....

Etc.........

How can you create a book that barely supports your tenets.....??

Ubenedictus: i think u have dull ur brain so u cant see what is right in front of u.

No!!!!

Trinitarians are the ones who have been dulled overtime so as not to know who they are to worship.......

Jesus came down to the earth to show every1 who rightly deserves exclusive worship,but the trinity has squashed that....

Now people worship 3 peoples........now that my freind is called idoatry.....

Jesus worshipped Yahweh,imitate him.......

Listen O isreal and O nairalanders,Yahweh our God(I don't know if he Is the God of trinitarians) is 1 Yahweh........

Worship Yahweh........

Ubenedictus: and i also noticed that the name Yahweh doesnt refer to one person. Christ didnt just ask for honor, he ask to be honor even as his father. How do u honor d fada. My bible says "let the angels worship him" even d angel worship christ wow!

The name Yahweh refers to 1 person...have u been dodging deuterenomy 6:4 and mark 12:29??.....

Show me from the bible where the name Yahweh doesn't belong to the Father alone??

You have come with your heresy once more.......

Jesus is mediating for you ,you can't literally worship him.....rather he (Jesus) channels your worship(that's if you have not murdered Yahweh) to Yahweh.........

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That is the work of a mediator and a high priest....

Jesus is the channel through which our worship gets to Yahweh.....respect Jesus' office......if u worship Jesus the same u wanna do to Yahweh,then you are an idolater.....

Exclusive worship belongs to Yahweh alone..........

Angels don't offer worship to Jesus,they respect him as Yahwehs king designate and show that by bowing down........

The angels along with Jesus all worship Yahweh......get that into your catholic skull.....lol......

And b4 I forget,I hope mary too has a chair close to the Father,so that she can be called a high priestess......

It is everything and everybody you want to worship.......