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F00028: if Jesus was God, when he was asked the fist of all commandments in mr.12:29 why did he say Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE Lord"? if he was God why didn't he there and then just lay down 1jo5:7?

frosbel: Let us revisit this topic brethren, the lives of millions of depend on it.

Please before you call me a heretic, consider that many precious Muslim ,Jewish and even atheist brothers and sisters have been totally confused by this so called doctrine and hence they have been denied a chance at salvation by the Messiah Lord Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is not Yahweh , he is distinct from Yahweh but is Co-Equal with the Father in ONE purpose .


So what do we have here :

1. Yahweh : God Almighty who is not a MAN , but our father, the ancient of days, the one who has no beginning and no end.

2. Yeshua : Our redeemer Lord Jesus Christ , the Saviour of mankind and the exact likeness of the Father in Human form.

This trinity doctrine does not make sense and if it does make sense then it should be discarded. What makes sense is that our Loving Father has sent a Saviour in the likeness of Man to redeem Man from the Power of sin and death.

Jesus Christ is the last Adam who came to undo what the first Adam had damaged.

"So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit." - 1 Corinthians 15:45

Simply put Jesus Christ was Born as a Man with the Power of the Holy Spirit and genetically flawless. He had to be a Man to overcome SIN

Reasons why Jesus cannot be Yahweh :

1. God cannot be tempted , but Jesus was tempted

2. God cannot die but our Lord died and was raised on the third day

3. Before Jesus Christ started his ministry he had to be anointed with the Holy Spirit just like we believers today.

4. On the cross our Lord cried, ' father why has thou forsaken me ' , so this was Jesus our Lord and Saviour not GOD.

4. God with his power raised up Jesus from the Dead.

5. God has put all things under his feet and giving Christ the highest honour in heaven and earth , whereby he rules as GOD but is not GOD.

6. Places were Jesus was referred to as GOD in the bible we actually translated as LORD in the correct Greek or Hebrew translation

7. Jesus Christ said the Father is greater than I

8. He prayed to the father.



We owe our very lives , gratitude and service to Christ Jesus, who as the last Adam has defeated SATAN and restored dominion to mankind which will be completed when all his enemies have been put under his feet.


Praise and all gratitude be to Yahweh Almighty from everlasting to everlasting.

I am thankful to God that he has made himself known to man, God is not the author of confusion and yet many churches want us to accept this Pagan trintiy doctrine hook line and sinker without the ability to reason with scriptures.

Let us discuss .

God bless.


[size=13pt]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.[/size] - 1 Corinthians 14:33

Ptolomeus: The Bible says that Jesus ate greedily: sipping wine and frequented pr0stitutes.
Why would it be sin to drink?

Goshen360: Am sitting down to look and read........no comment!

plaetton: Are the psalms not poems and songs?
Is it not obvious that the writer or translator was using the word soul in the same manner we use it to say, for example, "my soul hates this or that"?
hhmm.
MR Ijawkid, there you go again with you scriptural reasoning.
lol.

If there is no soul other than the flesh and blood, then when you die, which part of your decayed flesh will go to heaven?

Jenwitemi: Did you even understand what i am trying to explain here? I doubt you do. So let me try for the last time. But before i begin, let me disappoint you a lil bit. I am not part of the science vs religion/spiritual dichotomy because i don't believe in dichotomies that excites the religionist/atheist communities. My worldview is holarchical. To me, everything is one. Multiple sides to the same thing. Everything is connected. All is one. Hope that is clear and removes your thinking that you are dealing with a materialist atheist 'cos you are not.

I am not denying that those events that you term as miracles don't exist or happen. What i am saying here is that they are NATURAL OCCURRENCES that follow the laws of the natural universe. The reason why they appear as miracles to us humans is because we, humans, live in a state below the natural state(sub-natural state) and hence, the natural state of existence has become supernatural to us.

Now, there are two states in existence, The NATURAL STATE and the SUB-NATURAL STATE. We humans are existing in a sub-natural state so everything that happens naturally in front of us we think is super-natural and a miracle. There is no such thing as the "super-natural". The sub-natural state we humans find ourselves us term makes every natural events as super-natural and miracles.

God is a natural entity not supernatural one and everything it does is natural. When we humans, with our science, have evolved high enough to leave the subnatural state of existence and return back to the natural state of being that we once were in, we would be able to understand and resonate better with the creator. But right now, we understand very little about the creator and the nature of reality we live in because of the sub-natural state of our existence.

Didn't the bible also mention the sub-natural state we humans live in by the term "FALLING STATE"? From what state did we fall? Ask yourself that question. When we do finally return back to our true natural state, to us, there will be no more miracles but natural occurrences.

frosbel: Man's Body + spirit ( the breath of God in him ) = Living SOUL

Man's Body - spirit (the breath of God in him) = Dead Body

The Human soul does not exist after death , period.

His spirit returns to GOD.


"and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it." - Ecclesiastes 12:7

Acts 7:59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."


spirit can be defined as :

pneuma: wind, spirit
Original Word: πνεῦμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: pneuma
Phonetic Spelling: (pnyoo'-mah)
Short Definition: wind, breath, spirit
Definition: wind, breath, spirit.

or

ruach: breath, wind, spirit
Original Word: ר֫וּחַ
Part of Speech: Noun Feminine
Transliteration: ruach
Phonetic Spelling: (roo'-akh)
Short Definition: spirit

Sources - http://concordances.org/hebrew/7307.htm and http://concordances.org/greek/4151.htm

moroh: Subscribing...

Jenwitemi: There are no miracles, mate. Just unknown scientific phenomena. The less you know scientifically the more phenomena you term as "miracles". The more you know, the less phenomena you will term as "miracles". That is how things work. Every phenomenon is a scientifically supported natural occurrence. The only reason why it will be seen as a miracle is simply because the human scientific knowledge haven't reach that level yet to explain them away properly. Even a man/woman levitating in the air, for example, is no miracle. It is just an occurrence that we have no explanation for because we do not yet possess the required level of scientific knowledge to do so. Simples.

mkmyers45: Daniel 4:37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the King of heaven, because everything he does is right and all his ways are just. And those who walk in pride he is able to humble. Now we werent told what he did afterwards

PAGAN 9JA:
^ baby born with minaret, baby born with entire mosque, baby born with imam, etc.

PAGAN 9JA:
^ baby born with minaret, baby born with entire mosque, baby born with imam, etc.

mkmyers45: Na wa o..where your bible knowledge? Nebuchadnezzar did supposedly repent and worship god...

obadiah777: look around you ? evil runs amok. that is the proof of satan. satan is a word which means adversary. someone who opposes God. Obasanjo is a satan. he stole the countrys money and is hoarding all the wealth. he is a satan

MacDaddy01: "dont play God with your earnings. Tithe the 10% so that the 90% will not be cursed. Tithe so that your marriage doesnt get stoned. Tithe so that your children's future doesnt get stoned"

Reyginus: It is confirmed. Somebody is lost. My advice: Never again drag into battles you cant handle. Your points are wack,unscriptural and theologically blind.Obadiah77 just end it.

obadiah777: Dunno where you are getting this trinity doctrine from. you must be drunk on shekpe or sapele water or something. you do know scripture says a drunk man will never inherit the kingdom right

Area_boy: OMG!! WTF :O .. I tot your radical views ended on just multiple Adam's! it goes way further than that!

Wow dude! you'll be good at making up conspiracy theories. So anyway, this is your own interpretation or you're sure this is what the Author had in mind?

Mr_Anony: If it was an 11 year-old espousing Einstein's special theory of relativity, I don't think we would have complained as much. We would likely have been hailing him as a very smart and gifted kid who we are privileged to learn from.
For me, the age of the preacher does not matter as much. What matters is the content of the message.

Mr_Anony: If it was an 11 year-old espousing Einstein's special theory of relativity, I don't think we would have complained as much. We would likely have been hailing him as a very smart and gifted kid who we are privileged to learn from.
For me, the age of the preacher does not matter as much. What matters is the content of the message.

obadiah777: LOL Me Breda reincarnation is how this world is repopulated. if i no reincarnate na extinction of mankind be dat now

diluminati: @lord reed
if jesus is God, why didnt he know the day he will come back, but God knows? Just answer the damn question and stop adding more confusion ontop more confusion.