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OLAADEGBU: In all you have said you are yet to answer the 10 questions backed with Scripture that the OP asked. And to the question above, have you come across the words of Jesus Christ to His disciples?

"Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you." (Luke 10:19)

The Scripture explains itself. Have you received the power to crush the devil and his agents under your feet?

Ok let me answer ur question.....

I have received that power.....

I know why i did ask for ur exegesis to that verse....

So far so good I haven't come in contact physically with literal serpents and scorpions....

But symbolically speaking I have definitly treaded on serpents....

TEMPTATIONS and obstacles I sure have trampled on....

If u understand what I mean.........

So tell me about yours........

As for the OP let him go find out who Jesus witnessed about......

Besides I just showed u we witness about Jesus .....

Is it because we are not called Jesus witnesses??

Our actions and what we say shows we witness about Jesus........

U can start a church and call it JESUS witnesses....no wahala.....abi??no be wetin u wan hear??

frosbel: I like your humble response.

Firstly the thief did not go paradise that day or even now.

The exact quotation should be "Truly I tell you today , you will be with me in paradise.

Remember the original texts had no comma , the interpreter placed the comma in the wrong place.

Even if you say Jesus went to paradise that same day that will also be incorrect , because he had not ascended to his father.

Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. [/b]Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'" -[b] John 20:17

All this story about Jesus descending into Hell is a red herring, he descended into the grave wrongly translated as Hell in the so called best bible KJV . Albiet the grave could not hold him for he had the power to lay down his life and pick it up again.

"No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father." - John 10:18

John 2:19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."


Jesus is the firstborn from the dead, no one has ascended to the father but Christ.

"And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy." - Colossians 1:18

Acts 26:23 that the Christ would suffer and, as the first to rise from the dead, would proclaim light to his own people and to the Gentiles."

"No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man " - John 3:13

Now the core question , is Mary in heaven ?

I do not believe so , because the resurrection has not taken place YET ! She died a righteous woman and will be raised incorruptible into the kingdom of her God and saviour Christ Jesus.

By the way the catholic doctrine of the ASCENSION is a hoax , don't mind those people.


John 5:28 "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice , and come out--those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned."

Some people say that those who are in the grave are also somewhere else in the form of a soul which is incorrect. When we die our spirits or the God given breath that produces life returns to God not some remote place in the underworld.

The dead are dead waiting for the resurrection.

Perfect answer....I was about putting this up.....

Good job......:-)

OLAADEGBU: What Jesus do you preach? you mean the one that is Michael the arch angel?



You mean the commission of your kingdom hall?



There is no doubt that you guys preach everywhere but what do you preach, is it Armageddon or the failed prophecies?



Go back to the OP and show us how you do this.



Physically or spiritually?



So you mean that you are not just JW's?



You are admitting that you worshiping another god besides the Almighty God when Jehova said beside me there is no one. As for me I believe that I only worship God.

Lol....u and ur funny pix.....

We preach about armageddon....u shuld know that for sure......

What do u mean by angel micheal??lol...

We preach about Jesus.....shikena...

U can't deny the fact that Jehovahs witnesses preach about Jesus.......

And when I mean the kingdom I aint talking about kingdom hall.....lol....olaadegbu why u dey ask this funny questions??

We preach about Gods kingdom.....the same kingdom Jesus talked about of which he is king designate.....

The same kingdom mentioned @ daniel 2:44.....

I have told u in the other post that witnesses aint prophets......

We are bible students striving to see how bible prophecies and events allign with world events........

Down till date Jehovahs witnesses observe world events and see how they are in agreement with the bible....that's all.....

All we await is armageddon......the great day of the almighty.....I believe u are anticipating that day......

If u know d witnesses well u shuld know we worship Yahweh thru our new high priest Jesus......

We don't worship any different God....

We worship Yahweh.....

Read Jesus words to the jews of which he is one....

John 8:54-59
New International Version (NIV)
54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my
glory means nothing. My Father, whom you
claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me.
55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If
I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but
I do know him and obey his word.


The Jews claim to know Yahweh,and Jesus concured and agreed to the fact that,that is the GOD who glorified him....

So we worship Yahweh....but unlike natural jews we get to Yahweh thru our new high perfect high priest(JESUS).....

Is it bad if Jehovahs witnesses imitate Jesus in worshipping the Father and GOD Jesus worshipped??



This whole discussion can't be over discussed

We love both Yahweh and the one whom he sent Jesus.......

We preach about Jesus,but ultimately about the one who sent HIM..........

And I wanna hear from u how u wuld apply Jesus words when he said preachers of Him will trample on serpents and scorpions......

I wanna here ur own explanation.....

I'm interested......

OLAADEGBU: Are you now saying that you are the witnessess of our Lord Jesus Christ? Have you received the commission to preach? In whose name do you preach? What signs are following you as you preach the gospel? This is what Jesus Christ said in His glorified body before His ascension to His witnessess:

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God." (Mark 16:15-19)

Ofcus we preach about Jesus ooooooo......

We carry out d commision to preach about Gods kingdom....

Jehovahs witnesses preach in over 237 lands,islands $ territories from door to door......how else do we not carry out Jesus's command for us to preach??

Jehovahs witnesses like I said obey every of Jesus word.....


And please talking about d signs(trampling on serpents and scorpions) if u take those verses literally then u might end up answering some questions I have to ask u.......lol.....

How many serpents and scorpions have u trampled on since u started preaching about Jesus??

How many??

Jehovahs witnesses preach about Christ and his Father who sent him....

Infact I'll have to probe u guys for throwing away Yahweh.....

We acknowledge Yahweh and Jesus...

U guys acknowledge only Jesus....

Which is totally wrong.....

OLAADEGBU: You have just glossed over the 10 pertinent questions asked by the OP. According to those points referenced by Scriptures, who are you to be witnessess of and how have you done this. Straight to the point please.

How have we been witnesses of Jesus??u ask me that??

We preach about Jesus ofcus......we imitate him....and we follow his every step....

That's what witnesses of Jesus do.....and Jehovahs witnesses do that.....

Infact to gain salvation Jehovahs witnesses understand they need to acquire d knowledge of both Yahweh and his servant Jesus Christ......

John 17:3...
John 17:3
New International Version (NIV)
3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you,
the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you
have sent.


So Jehovahs witnesses preach about both the Father and d son....

But like I said,Yahweh is @ d fore front because he is head of Jesus.....

If ur a witness of Jesus ur also @ the end of the day a witness of Jehovah....because he sent Jesus.....don't u get it??

It seems all I've been saying has not gotten to ear drums......

U guys are acting all childish.......

What ever praise or reverence that Jesus recieves its all to the glory of Yahwehs .

We are all christians today so that both Jews and gentiles can be reconciled to Yahweh....

Yahweh is the ultimate.......

vislabraye: There are so many things they don't believe. They say when someone dies, he ceases to exist. I argued with one of them. I told him after Jesus died he still appeared as a Human and not spirit.

Is it not surprising that Jesus never called God Jehovah? If you know any portion ps show me.

Jehovahs witnesses already know from prophecies recorded in the bible that Jesus was to stay in HELL for 3days,then after that he be ressurected by Yahweh.......

So u mean Jesus never called God Yahweh??

But he re-quoted scriptures from the prophets and from the psalms that had the tetragrammaton in it??

Jesus cried out ELI ELI to the one who sent him and who could save him....



Please who sent Jesus if I may ask??....

Except u wanna tell me Yahweh never existed....that even olaadegbu won't agree with u.....Jesus prayed and cried to no other person than Yahweh.....

Now dont come up here with that crap my bro........

OLAADEGBU: "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth" (Acts 1:8 ).

This is where you will know that the JW's are definitely not Jesus' Witnessess.

Lol......

So tell me what do u expect from witnesses of Jesus that d Jehovahs witnesses don't do.....please tell me....

Jehovahs witnesses advocate Jesus as king of Yahwehs kingdom.......

Jehovahs witnesses preach from door ro door just as Jesus did....

Is there anything Jesus did when he was on earth and how he acted when he was on earth,that Jehovahs witnesses don't emulate??

I'm asking u.......

D only thing Jesus did that we don't do is perform miracles....

apart from that all Jesus said and did Jehovahs witnesses follow suit.....

Ur just annoyed because we are called Yahwehs witnesses....

Is d naming ur problem??

MacDaddy01: Jesus was walking along one day, when He came upon a group of people surrounding a lady of ill repute. It was obvious that the crowd was preparing to stone her, so Jesus made His now-famous statement, "Let the person who has no sin cast the first stone."

The crowd was shamed and one by one began to turn away. All of a sudden, a lovely little woman made her way through the crowd. Finally getting to the front, she tossed a pebble towards the woman.

Jesus looks over and says, "I really hate it when you do that, Mom

Lmao!!!!!.....ur crazy man....

Well according to some persons mary was without sin......lol......

OLAADEGBU: The question is: What is a false prophet? You don't need to go off the rail.

U define it and tell me how d witnesses are false prophets....I aint derailing this post...

I've been seen many posts about this issue but I always smile .....and I know ur all out to deride the witnesses......right??

That's why I told u all that......

Our blueprint is d bible...if our expectation of the fulfillment of a bible prophecy doesn't happen d way we thought it wuld happen,then we go back to the blueprint to fully decipher what went wrong......

Witnesses aint prophets,.....all prophecies are embedded in the bible....all we do is decipher how they would come to pass and anticipate them.....

I want to boldly tell u.........

""JEHOVAHS WITNESSES ARENT PROPHETS IN THE 1st place""

We are simply bible students....

Hope u get that??.....

That's why I like buzugee a lot...

He's into bible chronology and the end time prophecies.....I like that!!!!!!!!!!!!

All that does is strengthen ones faith in the bibles authenticity and kindles ones awareness as to the times we are living in....

Its not like we even make money from it....lol....

OLAADEGBU: Are you willing to answer the questions that made your comrade do a runner?

Oh I've seen all the questions asked by ur freind........

Witnesses realize and know that definitly they have to pray in Jesus name,if u understand what I mean....

Jesus's name is important....he is our mediator to Yahweh....

But if u really understand my point u shuld know that our ultimate reverence should get to Yahweh....infact Jesus is helping us do that.......

Jesus when he came did tell us how to pray...

And I don't have to remind u what Jesus said........u remember how he started the lords prayer......

The truth is while I acknowledge Jesus as my high priest I can't neglect the one who made him the high priest and who gave him that name that is higher than that of the other angels in heaven and all those on earth......




The name Jesus bears was given to him...he didn't steal it......



Witnesses judiciously follow the principles of head ship....we can't talk about Jesus and forget about the one who sent him....that will be absurd my bro

....

U guys have totally found a way to fling Yahweh into the receptacle....and that is totally wrong......is that good??

I'ma tell u as a brother.........

Jesus's coming to die for us did not negate Yahwehs sovereignty.......

And I'ma tell u boldly that I have come to know that while d witnesses witness about Yahweh,they witness about his son....they follow him where ever he goes.....

I culd say that of all religious groups I've known d witnesses are a group of people who obey all of Jesus's word to the last letter.....

is there anything Jesus required from christians that d witnesses do not carry out??

The witnesses do everything....they imitate all of Jesus action.......the witnesses are even derided for imitating Jesus by fellow religious grooups......

We are both witnesses of Yahweh and his son.....

We only project Yahweh to the fore because he is the head of Jesus....

I can't overly talk about nnamadi sambo the vp of nigeria and forget about goodluck jonathan the president of 9ja who he is representing........

Shikena!!!!!!!!

The witnesses aint false prophets....

They weren't prophesying,they were only trying to allign biblical prophecies to the times we are living in.....

That's all the witnesses do.....

They make sure that biblical prophecies are truly authentic.......

They are keen to see an end to this wicked world....

They are keen to see all the prophecies associated with the last days being fulfilled and how it'll all culminate to the great day of the almighty.......

They mite have had some wrong interpretations,that doesn't mean the bible which was there source is wrong......

We all have a lot to see from biblical prophecies that are yet to be fulfilled.....

There are other groups of people who also engage in observing how bible chronology Is beneficial @ this time of the end.......

The witnesses are keen observers of the signs Jesus gave that will occur for us to be convinced the end is near....

Apart from biblical prophecies that d witnesses try to understand and decipher ,they don't come out to give prophecies that will tickle people's ears....

The witnesses don't engage in d story telling of what hell and heaven looks like,just like the way many do today....

The witnesses don't engage in the modern day pattern of prophesying into peoples lives,telling persons they'll be prosperous materially.....

The witnesses don't engage in telling gullible people that a winch is depriving an individual from progressing,,,....

The witnesses don't come out to engage in the spurious prophecies of how a nation or country will be blessed by God(just like d way many persons give prophecies about nigeria),when ofcus we know from revelations that a disastrous end awaits earthly governments..........

The witnesses don't wake up to tell u that we dreamnt and saw a vision.....no!!!!!

All the witnesses do is stick to biblical prophecies and see how they apply to our time......

As d day goes by more and more prophecies found in daniel,revelations and the prophets will keep getting clearer and fulfilled...........

U can criticize d witnesses of being false prophets.....

But I gotta let u know 1 thing.....

While d rest of the world keeps wallowing in the worlds pursuit and hoping for a day when humans can solve our problems and also doubting how authentic bible prophecies are,the witnesses are ever determined to be strengthened by the fulfillment of past prophecies recorded in the bible and future ones to come....

U shuld be occupied with deciphering how bIble prophecies that are soon to be fulfilled will take place,because that's what the witnesses are doing....

our thoughts are within d boundaries of prophecies recorded in the bible,and not some hallucinations....

Thank u

OLAADEGBU: He did not only run away but he must have alerted his fellow comrades not to come to your house.

What is wrong if a christian says he is a witness of Yahweh!??

Please tell me....

If Jesus our master was a witness of Yahweh why shuldnt those who profess to be followers of christ be Yahweh's witness??

Jesus 24/7 talked about the Father(Yahweh) and made his name known to every1......

Thru out Jesus's stay on the earth all he did was preach about his Father and do his Fathers will.....

I still don't know how modern day christians choose to shove Yahweh the Father of Christ to d dust bin and choose to hold on to Jesus like as if Jesus never had a Father or a superior..........

What is ur problem??

Even the name Jehovahs witness seems to be a problem to u??

What is wrong with it??

A Jehovahs witness is simply 1 who witnesses about Yahweh the Father of Christ......

Yahweh is the supreme God of the universe....

Doesn't he deserve our worship??doesn't he deserve to be witnessed about??

Being followers of Christ is all even to the glory of Yahweh.......

When the end comes Jesus himself will hand over the kingdom to Yahweh and submit himself to Yahweh just as he has always being.....

Then @ d end of it all Yahweh will be everything.......

So what is wrong if Jehovahs witnesses project the Father's name when preaching....

That's d same thing Jesus did........

U guys are not even following Jesus the right way....

If u really were a follower of Jesus u would know ur suppose to witness about Yahweh....

Thank u!!!!!!

@plaetton ......its obvious u got this whole hogwash from the internet.......

U aint even sure of what u wrote.....its just copy and paste..........

It might surprise u to read scriptures that Jesus quoted that reffered to Yahweh as the only true GOD.......

It might also interest u to read Jesus's reply to the sameritan woman @ d well side......Jesus iterated to her whom the Jews and he himself worshipped and served......

All what u wrote up there is just 1 of those means atheists like urself use to refute d existence of the living most high ,YAHWEH......

Better re-trace ur steps back to Yahweh....

His great day is soon to come......

Danka7777: Typical answer from a woman...one sided view. And you call this marriage? Husband and wife doing things separately? Let's get down to the basis: How do you define marriage? Union between a man and woman, right? What is a union? Coming together to become one, right? Then why are you advocating for separate activities?

Can you get it into your head that one of the reasons men get married is to have his wife follow him to functions and stand by his side, this includes to church. You want him to sit in the church all alone, while people know him to be married? This is one of the reasons I need a wife for aside from having a life partner and kids. If you are a woman, it would be hard for you to understand this. I know many men will align with me here

Oboy I'm trying to save ur marraige here...

If ur wife decides she wuld never attend d catholic church would that make u divorce her??

I'm speaking from a biblical point of view not from a sexist point of view..........

Wether I'm malÉ or female is not the issue.....

U can rant here for all u can,but don't u dare divorce that lady because she doesn't want to go with u to ur church to bow down to mary's image.....:-).

Like I said be a good husband or if u are one already continue to be a good husband so that in the long run ur virtues will drag her to ur church....

You are married,you are married.....its for better for worse.......!!!!!!!!

cyrexx:

the same God got Mary pregnant and gave birth to himself. later he prayed to Himself and ressurected Himself. But he doesn't know when He is coming back(Jesus) and at the same time he knows(Yahweh).

what a cool story to tell.

Cyrexx how many times would I have to tell Ù that Yahweh and Jesus are different persons and not the samÉ.........

YAHWEH hasn't changed.....he is still d same person.....u might choose to call him a genocidal GOD that's ur opinion.....

But I told u his son(JESUS) will carry out YAHWEH's will by bringing destruction on ungodly humans......

He is giving u§ time to turn around.....

Jesus is pleading right Ñow on ur behalf.....




No talk say I no tell u....

.......

Its because Yahweh loves u and wants u to turn around that's why he sent his son and servant to come reconcile u to HIM..........

Yahweh hasn't changed....he's still d same GOD who although merciful,brings destruction on the ungodly.....

Starting from noahs time,sodom and gomorrah,then world powers and soon this present wicked system.....

cyrexx:

the same God got Mary pregnant and gave birth to himself. later he prayed to Himself and ressurected Himself. But he doesn't know when He is coming back(Jesus) and at the same time he knows(Yahweh).

what a cool story to tell.

Cyrexx how many times would I have to tell Ù that Yahweh and Jesus are different persons and not the samÉ.........

YAHWEH hasn't changed.....he is still d same person.....u might choose to call him a genocidal GOD that's ur opinion.....

But I told u his son(JESUS) will carry out YAHWEH's will by bringing destruction on ungodly humans......

He is giving u§ time to turn around.....

Jesus is pleading right Ñow on ur behalf.....




No talk say I no tell u....

.......

Its because Yahweh loves u and wants u to turn around that's why he sent his son and servant to come reconcile u to HIM..........

Yahweh hasn't changed....he's still d same GOD who although merciful,brings destruction on the ungodly.....

Starting from noahs time,sodom and gomorrah,then world powers and soon this present wicked system.....

Ihedinobi: Looks like we're heading into the realms of derision. How predictable.

Oboy u wan go entangle urself for this ""Jesus and Yahweh are d same person"" wahala??

No do o.......lol

@poster.....

Ur agreement was for better for worse.....

U can't divorce ur wife except on the ground of fornication......so don't even go near divorcing her.....

Just cope with the situation until either of u concedes.......

U can keep going to ya church,she can keep going to hers....

Just keep being a good husband and apply bible principles by loving her irrespective of the denomÍnation she belongs to..........

Okpari......!!!!!!!!!.

cyrexx: is it difficult for you to comprehend simple grammatic expression. if you read what i posted very well, you will see that i follow Jesus. He is my model. Jesus was not content to derive his ethics from the scriptures of his upbringing. He explicitly departed from them. He did not derive his moral code from Yahweh

try to read and understand before you type. is that too hard for you.

If u really are a follower of JesÙs then u shÙld know that Jesus even existed and came to the earth because of Yahwehs a®rangement to save ur sorry soul and ur likes..........

Jesus as Yahwehs appointed king will carry out Yahwehs commands to bring an end to all those who don't obey his Father.....and I believe u fall under that group(lol).......



Keep decieving urself that ur following Christ ,while neglecting the person who sent Him........

If u follow christ ur also obeying Yahweh in return.......

I'm happy sha to hear that ur a follower of Christ...........I am too....

But we all are like CHrist obeying Yahweh the Father of all......

Jesus read from the LAW,Jesus prayed and worshipped Yahweh.....

Infact all Jesus did on earth wasn't out of his own originality.....what d Father told him to do is what he did........so all Jesus knows I'd from the Father...


Don't be decieved bro...........

But I thought u were an atheist......

Happy to know u like Jesus Christ.....or are u just playing with us??

cyrexx: the fictional character of Yahweh and Jesus are totally different.

while Jesus may have existed as a man and his early followers have idolised him after his death and turned him into a legend (by adding to what he said and did) and thereby making him an object of a new religion that broke away from Judaism, the character of Yahweh is entirely fictiional caricature of a Jewish tribalistic god.

allow me to quote what Richard Dawkins says about Yahweh and Jesus from his world famous book, The God Delusion:

"The God of the Old Testament(Yahweh) is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."


“Jesus was not content to derive his ethics from the scriptures of his upbringing. He explicitly departed from them. Since a principal thesis of this book is that we do not, and should not, derive our morals from scripture, Jesus has to be honoured as a model for that very thesis. He did not derive his moral code from Yahweh”

So u support dawkins definition of Yahweh right??

All this big big grammar just to explain who Yahweh is??lol.........


This issues of Yahweh has been discussed too many times on this forum but u guys would still choose to believe what u want...

Like I wrote up there YAHWEH is still d same person....

Jesus his son is pleading now on ur behalf so that u can be reconciled to Yahweh.....

An end to this present world(wicked humans or those who are not doing Yahwehs will) is imminent.......

Instead of u following dawkins,return to Yahweh....

The earlier the better.....

Omo Alata: I think the G.O. of Mountain of fire is the same unless una know differently?

Really??

Can we inspect there properties??

Goshen360: That is NOT what we are saying bro except you are reading into our words,lolz. What we are saying is, W.F Kumuyi is the "known" popular amongst others who is "scandal free". At least, I agree to the best of my knowledge.

Lol.......

Kumuyi is kinda on the simple side...he isn't as extravagant as his colleagues......hope he doesn't own a private jet and some phantoms....lol.....

Just asking o.......

YAHweh hasn't changed and he is still d same GOD and FATHER of Jesus CHrist......

Yahweh only had 2 covenant through which HE had dealings with his servants and Humans in general...............

1st was the one moses was d mediator, of which was not perfect.......

2ndly and lastly is the new covenant,which Jesus the only begotten son and servant Of YAHWEH is the mediator......

And this new covenant is perfect......

This new covenant affords the world in general to be reconciled to Yahweh....

How do we know YAHWEH has not changed??

He will soon bring an end to wickedness and its perpetrators just as He did in the times of NOAH and sodom $ gomorrah.......

He's only giving us time to adjust our ways so that we don't end up with satan in the lake of fire(total and complete destruction)......

Obstinate Atheists(lol),agnostics who aint sure of where they stand,false christians(those who profess to be christians but do the opposite of what Jesus did and said when he came to the earth),are all giving extra time to change there ways b4 the great day of the ALMIGHTY comes..........

Yahweh will use his son JESUS,his king designate to carry out this actions...........

So my brother,Yahweh hasn't changed....

Jesus is even the one pleading on our behalf right now.......

But soon there'll be an end to that,judgement and destruction will follow....

But note!!!!!!::::::::::: those who do the will of Yahweh,Jesus's Father and GOD are the ones that will remain forever...

Make sure u are part of that group......

Thank u sir..!!!!

tintingz: then why worshiping kneeling nd bowing to saints nd Mary statue...they are dead is like a form of idol worshiping...NO muslim believe the black box in mecca(built by Abraham) is God or a god it just a direction of worshiping God in unity...but as for statues in churchs is no difference from hindu and buddah doctrine.

Now that's my question too.....why bow down to an image of mary??

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy??

If mary is in heaven already why bow down to an image??why not just pray as usual waiting for her to intercede.....

Ubenedictus: aha, a christian who doesnt believe that a human has a soul or spirit yet he owns a bible that say Jesus preached to the spirits in prison and his own bible also tells him that elija and moses appeared to Jesus yet a Jehova witness would still deny that he has a soul. Ha!! GOD have mercy.
Peace

Oboy humans are souls.....the soul is the living being........we are souls........don't u get it??

Please consider psalms 11:5 and tell me if God is a soul or has a soul.....

Don't bring in the Jehovahs witness thing here......I'm speaking plainly from the scriptures,I'm not quoting from any watchtower.........

Now let's look @ that scripture.....

##New International Version (©1984)
The LORD examines the righteous, but the
wicked and those who love violence his soul
hates.

##New Living Translation (©2007)
The LORD examines both the righteous and
the wicked. He hates those who love violence.

##English Standard Version (©2001)
The LORD tests the righteous, but his soul
hates the wicked and the one who loves
violence.

##New American Standard Bible (©1995)
The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked,
And the one who loves violence His soul hates.

##King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
The LORD trieth the righteous: but the
wicked and him that loveth violence his soul
hateth.

what would u call GOD??

A soul??or 1 who has a soul.......

That verse says ""BUT THE WICKED $ HIM THAT LOVETH VIOLENCE HIS SOUL hateth......

Is GOD a soul or has a soul??

Now my point....every living being is a soul....the bible just proves it....

Even animals are souls......

So get that into ur memory card....lol...



Now ur making d soul sound like something different that leaves a person is something d bible never agrees with......


We don't have a soul,rather WE ARE THE SOUL

NÓw I asked u questioÑ,.....

Where is ur spirit??

Please tell me......

MacDaddy01: lololol.


So what gave them the courage

Lol.....

Mayb some wraps of marijuana.....

But like frosbel will say don't u guys dare get into a muslim section or zone to display ur courage...

Except u guys are ready to be matyrs......lol...

Will u be ready to die for ur stand??

MacDaddy01: lol


True talk bro. Where were the atheists and skeptics then?

Lol....

They were afraid of being matyred........lol....

Ihedinobi: It's unfortunate that I don't remember the exact details of the story. But there was this guy who, I think, received an inheritance that amounted to 5% of the whole which was 25 (not sure 25 what anymore). His parents insisted that it wasn't 5% but 14%. He decided to prove it to them by long division. But they countered it with incredible logic. He attempted multiplication and they too manipulated it to be 14. He went for repeated additions but they showed that 14 added to itself 5 times amounted to 25 which was the whole.

It was a hilarious video to watch. The guy's frustration at his last attempt with the repeated additions was very funny. But I learned one thing: do not argue with a fool if you don't want to appear one yourself.

Of course all their arguments were fallacious, but how do you expose fallacy to one who either does not know the laws of logic or completely disregards them? Both of you, Ubenedictus and Barristers can claim that you're the right one and the other's the fool and on one Bible. But only one can be right or else both are wrong.

As it is, that Jesus is God is without question. Submitting it to debate makes it less than the sacred cornerstone of life, Christianity and the Church that it is. I am fully convinced and have proved again and again that anyone can read anything they want into the Bible. The only way I know to prove that what is read is true is to see how it treats Jesus Christ. If it makes Him less than He truly is, then it is anti-Christ. It cannot make Him more, you cannot fill a full vessel.

I'm actually bothering because of you, Ubenedictus. It is no small matter to soil sacred things and continuing in this debate amounts to that. Is Jesus Christ God? Of course He is. What is the biggest argument for it? We are saved and children of God. If there is any other thing that is the Gospel, I do not recognize it and neither does the Bible.

Barristers, I do not mean to insult you or show you up for a fool. I have seen a lot of people like you. Filled with intellectual superiority and "mastery" of the Scriptures. You take for granted that you know the truth and nobody else does unless they are of your organization. You hinge your rejection of the Trinity more on the bad track record of the Roman Catholic Church than on anything else. I know that the gymnastics with interpretations are only an effort to validate your position as well. I have no quarrel with the rejection of any denomination. I simply refuse a rejection of the Bible as well simply because one tenet of it (the founding tenet in this case) is held by that denomination. That is ignorance and extreme foolishness.

I pointed out a few questions for anyone holding contrary views to the Trinity to answer here on this thread and on a new one that I opened. Responses were intellectually bankrupt. The most vehement were attacks on the concept of the Trinity whereas the actual answers to the difficulties I raised were practically murmured. I left the questions alone on my thread and simply asked how we are saved by Jesus's Death if He was not God. The answers (only two) were very poor, very deficient. I didn't bother to dissect them to avoid another firestorm.

I made a clear write-up stating what the Trinity is and why it is true and undefended in the Bible. The answers from those of your company to that write-up were very unworthy of people who claim superior knowledge. I'm sorry that I will not post the link here because I'm done with all that foolishness. Anyway, nobody bothered to dissect my write-up and pick it apart logically. All I got was derision and cheap attacks.

The Bible says that we will know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error or falsehood by testing them as to how they hold Jesus Christ. It says that only the Spirit of Truth will confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. What's the big deal with accepting that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh? It's just Who He is and how He came that bounded that Scripture.

Anti-christ is that which robs Jesus Christ of His Glory, that which seeks to supplant Him. It isn't only some powerful man that will rule the world in Satan's power at the time of the end. It is the spirit of falsehood. And it seeks only to rob Christ.

I ask you again, how are you saved? I don't need to know. You face it for yourself. I am saved because God Himself took my form and my weakness and went into the prison that held me and destroyed the power of my former master and tore the gates open to lead me out into wide spaces and a wonderful life in the light of His Love. I know this because Jesus lives in my heart. He proves everyday to me that I never have to worry that His strength will fail in my weakness. If His were the strength of less than God, It would not lead me into freedom. You decide for yourself what strength saves you. I have no struggle with sin anymore because my Lord conquered it. He is my God. Jesus deserves my worship and will always have it.

My bro what's up.....

I never knew this whole saga is still on......

I've dropped all I got on this post.....

The truth is for me to believe Jesus is the almighty,the same as the father or the father(Yahweh),then it means I have to also believe Jesus lied when he was on earth....

##And that the almighty was not immortal @ some point in time..........

##I have to believe that the almighty can be killed and can die..........

## I have to believe that the almighty isn't a spirit...(Meaning Jesus lied @ john 4:24)


##And then I have to believe that Jesus suffered from multiple personality disorder.........

I can't wake up 1 day and tell my kids that GOD can die and infact did die.....

No amount of analogy can make u teach ur kids that.......

The trinity should never bring us to a level were we have to assume the almighty did die......that is totally absurd.....

I knw on this thread we've discussed @ length....u'v made good points ,so also everybody here......

But please Yahweh(the Father and almighty) does not and cannot die....never!!!!!!!!.....its against who he is............his son was the one who died(the last adam).......and his son is not d same as Him or HIM........


Please I beg u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......

I'm not even refusing d trinity becos it came from d catholics,I'm refusing it because it is confusion itself..............

D doctrine has been modified over and over again because its just not supported by d scriptures.......

I mean take a look @ the explanation a comrade of ours gave as to Jesus's words ""the day and hour nobody knows,not even the angels in d heavens nor the SON,but only the FATHER""......

If the trinity has not blurred d vision of its apologist,I suppose that scripture is so clear as to the fact that Jesus isn't the FAther or the almighty.....

If some1 can say Jesus said those words because his knowledge was limited since he was flesh n blood,but also @ d same time the almighty GOD bodily then I see the height of contradiction......that is confusion @ its peak...

No explanation can excuse the fact that Jesus is different and less than his Father.....

Its so crystal clear......

Just that singular scripture is enough for me not to believe in the trinity dogma..........


Thank u for everything........

Meanwhile u haven't still told me if ur from rivers state or not..:-)

MacDaddy01: Yes, how did Joagbaje win the 2011 religion section poster for last year (2011)?
https://www.nairaland.com/816588/joagbaje-voted-religion-section-poster

I am sorry, if i am coming across as hateful but it is just surprising as i thought that chistians had dignity and a tithe preaching logic acrobat would not be voted into such a position/award!

There are many christians who I would have accepted without question but Joagbaje? Seriously? What happened to Pastor AIO, Anony, Enigma etc?

Lol......

Mayb he was good @ his tithe preaching......

Even Jesus refused to bear d name PAPA,rather he said we all ncluding HIM have 1 Father.....no other person than YAHWEH......

When I hear religious folks call there pastors and there wives papa and mama or mummy and daddy it gets me so annoyed....

I ask:::::do this people read d bible @ all??

OLAADEGBU: May the Lord give him more grace to continue the race set before him. I believe that like Elijah thought that he was the only true prophet of God but God told him otherwise. Nevertheless, Pastor Kumuyi remains the only known Nigerian MoG that has not compromised the standard of the Word of God, if you know what I mean.

Are u guys implying that oyedepo,adeboye,oyakhilome,kicc G.O, etc are frauds??

frosbel: Jesus conquered his enemies through LOVE while the Muslims and Catholics conquered their enemies through Jihad and the Crusades.

Muhammad went on countless raids and wars in which thousands died but Jesus did not kill 1 soul nor did he fight for an earthly kingdom or tell his followers to do so , yet millions were given eternal life by him and freely so.

Jesus wanted a peculiar people, holy and beloved to inherit the new heaven and earth which will appear after this wicked one is destroyed with fire, but Muhammed was far more concerned about conquering this present corrupt world in which we live than saving souls for the life after.

Jesus coerced people through logic , love , truth and kindness, Muhammad coerced people with the edge of the sword.

Jesus considers love for your enemies as a sign of strength , while Muhammed considers it as a sign of weakness.

Bottom line, Jesus is LOVE , he is the saviour of mankind and the only one worthy of our praise and worship.

Atheists, Muslims and other enemies of the cross insult Jesus 24/7 and yet he ignores them and is grieved for their abject foolishness and entanglement in Satan's deception , on the cross he said Father forgive them and even saved the thief on the cross after his initial outburst.

Yet many atheists, Muslims and others enemies of ISLAM have been slaughtered in their millions for simply disagreeing with Muhammad.

Atheists dare not ridicule ISLAM publicly for fear of immediate beheading , yet these cowards and religious fools can ridicule Christ because they know he is a lamb that will not speak in retaliation or revenge.

You decide !

Lol.....

Frosbel.......

Na wa o............