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A true christian is one who follows Christ's foot steps closely and never act out of his or her own initiative.....

Just as Christ didn't act according to his own originality but followed every of his Fathers principles and instructions so also a christian shuld follow Christs words and imitate Him.....

[quote author=bola-dex][/quote]Whatever revelation do u need??

Jesus himself said no man had ascended to heaven......

Besides the thief didn't go to heaven.....

Simple and short!!!!!

tidytim: Most people do not realize that the Roman Catholic Church teaches that the Pope, is necessary for the interpretation of God’s Word. The Roman Catholic system teaches that the Pope, the Magisterium (teaching office), and their tradition cannot be separated. Rome places their man-made tradition on an EQUAL level with the scriptures themselves! That is absolutely mind-boggling, but that is exactly what they teach. Here is an excerpt from their 1994 Catholic Catechism:

RCC-Catechism-1994 #100

“The task of interpreting the word of God authentically has been entrusted solely to the magisterium of the Church, that is, to the Pope and to the bishops in communion with him.”

But The Bible Tells Us That The Holy Ghost Is Our Teacher

I was raised as a Roman Catholic [my testimony], and I sat under the false teachings of Rome for many years, UNTIL the Holy Ghost (Spirit) opened up my eyes to the truth through the scriptures (Bible/God’s Word). I assure you that YOU do not need the Pope to interpret the scriptures for you. If you believe that, then you will continue to live in the religious bondage of that whole system, which preaches a false gospel, BUT the choice is your own. Do not be fooled by the “Catholic Charismatic movement” either, because I was involved in that aspect of Rome also. It is STILL Roman Catholic to the very core. Mary is still worshiped within that movement, and you will find the Rosary with it’s “Hail Marys” being prayed constantly at many of their Roman Catholic “Healing Masses.” Here is an article I wrote about the great deception of the Catholic Mass.

Here are some scriptures that show us that the Holy Ghost (Spirit) is the only teacher that you need. Yes, God does raise up certain people to be preachers and teachers in the body of Christ, BUT every true born-again believer in Jesus Christ is taught of the Holy Ghost!

But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. (John 14:26)

Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (John 16:13)

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. (1 Corinthians 2:12-13)

These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. (Acts 17:11)

William Tyndale was a true man of God who was used by the Lord to get the scriptures (Bible) into the hands of the common people, and Rome was not happy with that at all. William Tyndale opposed the Roman Catholic Church with all of their man-made traditions, and he was eventually murdered by them by being burnt to death at the stake. Tyndale was one of many who met their fate in that manner, and we can all be grateful that we have a Bible in our hands because of men and women of God who stood against Rome. The Roman Catholic Church has not changed their doctrines, and they have added two more false teachings regarding Mary, including the feast of the “Immaculate Conception” and the “Assumption of Mary into Heaven.” There are many Christian “leaders” who have been seduced by this false religious system over the years, but the Word of God still stands true against their false teaching. The modern day Christian “leaders” have been bamboozled by Rome, and they in turn have bamboozled their own congregations. Millions of Christians have elevated their Pastors, and followed their compromising words, instead of exalting the Lord and following HIS own words! I pray that the Lord Jesus Christ would shake every one of those bogus preachers and Pastors who have led their people astray.

William Tyndale, who stood against Rome and their false gospel, met a man one day who declared the following:

“We were better to be without God’s laws then the Pope’s”

Master Tyndale hearing this, full of Godly zeal, and not bearing that blasphemous saying, replied

“ I defy the Pope and all his laws; and added, that if God spared him life, ere many years he would cause a boy that driveth the plough, to know more of the scripture than he did.”

William Tyndale-Foxes Book Of Martyrs-page 139

http://soulrefuge.org/

@poster......do u still celebrate xmas??

Sweetnecta: ^^^^^^ The meek will inherit the earth, if only they are righteous. At the end they will die.

In the verses in OP, Jesus said in the REGENERATION. Then the 12 disciples will be judging the 12 nations/tribes of Israel.

And whoever left 1 wife will be rewarded with 100 [wives] fold.



Where did you come up with it being on earth before death and not on the day when the 12 nations/tribes of Israel will be judged? Or the judgment of them will be before they died while they have been dying since Jesus made this promise?


You seem not to believe Jesus or you lack comprehension or both or even worse.

Read about physical heaven spoken by Jesus and understood by his 12 disciples where bread, wine, etc and things of physical activities will happen. Unlike the lies of Paul that I am sure you will post to deny the Biblical Jesus and physical heaven.

Ur still arguing this fact....

Meek ones will possess the earth forever....

Try consulting psalms 37:9-11, and 29....

Meek ones or rigtheous ones will dwell on this earth too forever.....

This best explains what Jesus meant......

That's d bible talking....

Persons don't marry in heaven neither are women being given in marriage in heaven.....

So what ever the wife that will be re-gained by faithfull persons,that will occur on this earth.....but ofcus on a new earth,not this crazy system we are living in now.....

MacDaddy01: God created Jesus

God created satan

Can God create a God greater than himself?

Abeg no allow trinitarians see this thing u write o......(God created Jesus)...lol....

God won't create a God greater than him...it just can't work....

For d last time the question does not apply to God.........:-)

MacDaddy01: Is this a rational argument?

The question applies to any creature that is claimed to be a magical creator. We are testing the limit of his creative abilities

It doesn't apply to GOD.......

It doesn't apply to who GOD is.........

Now this is one scripture that has gotten me to believe the fact that definitly more righteous persons will inherit the earth indeed forever.....

Because how else or where else will those who have lost there wife for Jesus's sake get them back in manifolds since there's no marraige in heaven??

That verse says ""now In this present world and that to come"".....

This verse is explicit..........

Hey y'all christians trying to defend this verse............

The verse is straigth forward ,,,,there's no much explanation to it..... The right explanation is just what is needed rather than defending what is not..........

These faithful ones will indeed receive there wives they've lost here on earth and not in heaven..........

Matthew 5:5 says it all....

Matthew 5:5
New International Version (NIV)
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.


Shikena!!!!!!!!!!!!

vislabraye: @Ijawkid. Where did Elijah go to when he was taken up with a chariot of fire?
Jesus told one of the thieves "today, you will be with me in paradise". Where was he going to?

1st of all I would like u to read john 3:13.....

13 No one has ever gone into
heaven except the one who came from heaven
—the Son of Man...

I want u to tell me what u understand from that scripture.......

2ndly as regards d thief that was hung beside Jesus u can conclude that he didn't go to heaven,,,,,

How??

For u to agree that d thief went to heaven that day,u will have to conclude that that thief ascended into heaven b4 Jesus Christ........because after spending 3days in hell,Jesus was ressurected and still spent an additional 40days b4 his ascension into heaven........

So I want u to personally decipher if that robber went into heaven that day Jesus made d promise....

Besides that verse of the bible that gives this fact did have some punctuation error....

I would come to that soon......

Oboy its only GINI's that will create GINI's more powerful than them,,,,,....

Yahweh is not a GINI my bro.....

Ur question does not apply to Yahweh....

Thank u!!!!

vislabraye: I see reason to what deebrain said. "If satan and his demons are beeing tormented which power will they have to torture others. "
But I know hell is real and it exists contrary to what many people say. I donnot need a revelation to know.
If the story of the rich man and Lazarus is a parable then what was Jesus Christ trying to pass across. Every parable has its meaning.

How much fire can really burn satan to the extent that he'll feel pains??

I ask this question to those who feel there is a location where persons inculding satan would be literally burnt and tortured for all eternity.....does satan feel pain??


Jesus's illustration was only showing how d situation or circumstance of the pharisees will change drastically....they oppressed and subjugated the ordinary jews.....
Jesus showed how d tables will turn around to favor the oppressed.......

That's all.....

If u ever take that parable to literally mean there's gonna be a place the unrigtheous will burn,then we'll have to conclude that all rich persons will go to hell fire.........

Because I can't really point out what d rich man did that would make him be thrown in that fire...

Also abraham was not or never in heaven when Jesus gave this parable....

cyrexx: thank you for trying to clarifying some things.

but Jesus was clearly talking about his returning NOT about the temple's destruction.

if the disciples were living in the last days two thousand years ago, we are living in the last days now, dont you think our descendants will be living in "the last days" two thousand years from now.

all the signs that Jesus cited has been happening since ages past and it will continue to be after we are both dead and gone.

i dont take everything hookline and sinker. thats me. i ask questions. so, sorry if i sound like i'm not respecting your faith. (you never respected the atheists anyway)

The destruction of Jerusalem was partly a fulfillment of Jesus's warning.....

While the main fulfillment of Jesus's word would come when the end of this satan ruled world comes to a climax(ofcus u know what d world means from my earlier explanation).....

To show u how vigilant and steadfast d apostles and early christians were they started anticipating this end since there time....

Ofcus wickedness has been happening since time immemorial,but the signs associated with the lastdays are more alarming and severe than never before....and these signs are occuring on a global scale simultaneously.....

And they'll keep intensifying.......

I know questions must be asked and its good ur asking pertinent ones.....

But these facts are just right in front of us.....

Remember the lastdays would span thru a period of time according to Gods own time table b4 an end comes of which know one knows d day and hour,not even Jesus,but only Yahweh the great time keeper.....

These happenings around us shuld define how we shuld live our lives.......

Nations rising against nations,pestilences afflicting mankind like never b4,wicked men and impostors advancing from bad to worse..etc......

My bro I like ur sincerity...but I'ma tell u this one truth....

The wickedness we experience today and all that occured in the past will never continue to occur forever....there must be an end to it....

And for us living ,the end comes when we die or if we live to see the great day of ""ARMAGGEDOM"".....

So live everyday like its d last,by following bible principles while u await that end.....
Thank u....

EMILO2STAY: ur always on point frosbel actually my mom is a pastor worshiper david ibiyeomie precisely of salvation ministries p.h i have tried to talk to her about this with some bible references but she is too adamant instead she'll say i should stop talking about a man of god like that and that they pray 4 all ibiyeomie haters to die.

Hahahahahahhaha....

Abeg hold ur mama oooooo..........

@frosbel.....ur post has been invaded by by militant Atheists.......lol.......

Make I go call JTF for them......

vislabraye: Some one shared this experience which got me thinking.
There was this particular girl who was five years old. She was given a babie doll as a gift.
One day as she was playing with it, she experienced a mysterious surge come over her like a current. At that moment she started masturbating.
From that time till date, she has become a lesbian.
I was shocked hearing this. I have come to understand that one needs to be very careful.

Now a§k urself if what u heard is factual....

U hearÐ,u didn't witness it......

Where is d evidence that such thing occured...??

Lmao.....the whole story sounds like tom and jerry.........

If russel would be in hell for making many know the real name of Jesus's Father and GOD,then what will happen to those who removed the name YHWH from the bible in the 1st place ...??

This man seeing these visions must have been high on marijuana.........

Soon I'll come up with my own dream too.....lol....

cyrexx: Every generation of christians believe they are living in the last days, including the first apostles.

Jesus has been coming "soon" for the past 2000 years and he will keep coming "soon" for the next 2000 years.

The funny thing is that intelligent non-religious scoffers have been scoffing this grandeur delusion for the past 2000 years and scoffers will keep scoffing it for the next 2000 years while Jesus will keep coming soon.

Very interesting.

What is more interesting is that:

Jesus tells his disciples in Matt 10:23 that he will return before they can "go over the cities of Israel." Later (Matt 24:14) he says he will not come until the gospel is preached throughout the world. Well, his disciples went over the cities of Israel and then died waiting for the "return of the Lord." Now, nearly 2000 years later, and long after the gospel had been preached throughout the world, his followers still wait.
interesting

Jesus predicts that the end of the world will come within the lifetimes of his disciples who lived 2000 years ago (Matt 24:34). The world of course didn't end then, and according to Eccl 1:4 the world will never end.

interesting.


Another funny and condescending false statement from Christians is that we rejected Christ. Therefore we deserve his wrath. hmmmm. do you know that your only creator ordered you to worship him alone and that he has no son and he is not begotten. but you rejected him. you will face his wrath on the judgement day.

you rejected Allah and i rejected Christ for exactly the same reason. yet i deserve wrath while you deserve bliss. meanwhile we both rejected myriads of other revelations of God to various religions and we both deserve their wrath. confusion that will not exist if there is a singular almighty god who is interested in saving his own creatures.

interesting still...

U just mixed up everythin....

Now the apostles kept anticipating an end because thÉy kept there sense of urgency intact......

Ofcus there was an imminÉnt destruction that was to befall jerusalem back then which did happen in 70 C.E.....only christians who heeded Jesus warning fled that great city b4 it was destroyed by d romans.......

The apostles did also anticipate the end of this system of things as a whole and patterned there lives according to the times they were living in....

We are even more deep into the lastdays than d apostles were and d composite signs Jesus gave to mark these perilious times are all evident......

Only a sound christian who wants to see an end to injustice and wickedness will anticipate an end just like all faithfull servants of Yahweh and Jesus were.......

And ur correct when u say eclesiastes 1:4 says the world will not end....

The physiÇal earth would indeed last forever.....gbam!!!!!........

The ""WORLD" when associated with destruction in the bible always means ""wickedness or wicked human society""....

Yahweh destroyed the then world of NOAH,but ofcus we know it wasn't the physical earth...rather it was d world of lawless humans who are alienated from God......

The earth is meant to be inhabited forever....but only by rÍgtheous persons or those who do the will of Jesus's father......

Psalms 37: 11 $ 29 tells us that....

Wickedness can't go on like this forever bro....an end must come.......

Not an end to they physical world just as u might be thinking,but an end to the world (symbolically speaking) of wicked human§....

Delafruita: the hebrew word is yeshwa or yashua.

Ur correct.....

Joshua or Yehoshua is also the hebrew word for Jesus.........

Meaning ::::: ""Yahweh is salvation"

So definitly persons answered ""Yehoshua or Joshua"" b4 Jesus came to the earth and after....

MacDaddy01: This question is related to the "can God create a rock that he can not move" question.


Simple question;

Can God create another God more powerful than himself?

It seems u mistake God for the GINI in alladin......lol....

How many times would we tell people that stories on rapture,hell and heaven voyage are always false........

the details of how the end will take place and of the fate of righteous and unrigteous are all found in the bible ........we shuld stick to what d bible says and leave these visions of persons we don't know......

Soon mayb 1 day I'll come up here and narrate a story about hell and heaven and many will believe.....:-)

plaetton: What?
What have I added and subtracted from your bible? I only quote what is clearly written. Perhaps you are irked because you find the particular bible quotations embarrassing. That is your problem.
Blame the word of your god, not me.

Every single day and every single hour , we have bible thumpers quoting this and that from the word of god and expecting everyone to swallow, hook line and sinker, without questions.

But once in a while, when those of us not gifted with scriptural reasoning(appologies to Ijawkid) exercise our right of reply, then you all go on your silly tantrums, much like spoilt little brats.

The Right of Reply; that is what we non-religious people are exercising on this religilous,sorry, religious forum.
Our right of reply is inviolate.

Lol....

I go beat u o......lol....

If ur missing my comments better tell me.....

Goshen360: @ Everyone,

Please, let's be mature in our presentation not insulting anyone, not even brother Joagbaje. Insulting people to make a point is unlike Christ. Please.

Ur right my bro...

How u dey??

afam4eva: My family was a staunch deeper life family while i was growing up. We used to have house fellowship in my house and the first day we bought a TV is the day they changed the location of their house followship. Almost everything that involves enjoyment is sin.

You must not rub powder

You must not wear jeans

You must not watch TV

etc

Lol...

But I think its all changed now.......

They have a better understanding...

Knowledge grows.......

CrazyMan: Says who?

God would even consider me into heaven before anyone of you because I'm special. He knows that if I come over I would use my crazy talent to praise him even much better. So de there de laf me, heaven don sure for me pass u.

Chei I don die for laugh finish....

I hear u o my bro

Ihedinobi: My brother, can you show me from the Scriptures that the sentiment embodied in that bolded statement is right and worthy of a Christian?

Lol......

As for me I remain neutral to politics......

Na wahala the thing be....

Joagbaje: you dont get the point, read, my post again, God deals with people individually, God would judge us individually but geographically, God's headquaters on earth is isreal, and it would be for ever. there is a spritual structure and a physical structure of God's kingdom, we should understand the balance. just like in the church today, we all have equal salvation, yet there is administrative structure in the local church.

U still don't get it too....

That covenant God had with d isrealites as a nation is gone ......no longer exists.....

God has no head quaters oooooo here on earth........

Gods kingdom is now situated in heaven...

That's where Yahwehs king designate resides.....HEAVEN......



Now I see why many strive to go to the pilgrimage........

God does not have any head quaters as we speak here on earth(not with any nation)............

Joagbaje: That's right . God cannot abandon his chosen nation. They only experience a temporary set back. Paul warned us not to boast against the natural Israel .because they were temporarily broken off olive branch.

Romans 11:17-18
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. . . . 24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Why did he use the term "THEIR OWN". Why are the names on the gates of the new city from Israel ? Etc and etc. they are chosen by Gods election.

GOD deals with individuals and no longer with any nation,,,....not even physical Isreal anymore...........


U guys will drag us back and make many say Yahweh is a racist.......

If u assume Yahweh still does support isreal as a nation till date ,then u guys are implying that all d recent killings and political wars fought by isreal were supported by Yahweh....

But let me tell u this......

Daniel 2:44 tells us that all earthly governments would be crushed by Gods kingdom,and the nation of isreal is in that group......

GOD has no business with isreal as a nation anymore.....

The scriptures says it all.......

If any jew chooses to follow Christ then no wahala.....

Its an individual race,no longer a national race.........

Thanks.....

CrazyMan: Why I no go enter church, or do you want ne to go to hell fire?

Hahahahahahahahaha...

Chei I don die for laugh.....

Oya go ...........

But make u know say craze man no dey enter heaven o.......lol

k2039: Fully Divine and fully man sounds less controversial to me rather than fully God fully man.
God refers to trinity together

Ok na.....

I want u to really see the rationale behind the ""mary is the mother of GOD"" dogma.....

I want u to just peruse into the religion section very well and see how much the trinitiy issue has been discussed....

k2039: I dont have a issue with all this stuffs,my point is you have to explain to me,how that came about,and if I cant find the basis in the bible,then I wont agree(Act17:11)
1 person manifesting in 3 different ways sounds razz.
So father,Jesus and HolySpirit is not a person,it is a way.
I disagree
“But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth hisSon, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Jesus is a person.
There point has no biblical basis

It seems u just recentlly became a member of nairaland/religious forum??lol...

I want u to go through all the threads that trinity has been discussed and u'll see how ur fellow trinitarians have twisted the doctrine into some kinda sh++t.....

U'll be surprised when u hear some1 say that Jesus is infact Yahweh(the Father)....

U'll be so shocked....

Please feel free to move around this forum well....

k2039: Ijawkid just like Chukwudi44 stated in one of his post,He said something like 'understanding the trinity is really complex',tried searching for the post,but cant find it.
The bottom line is 1corinthian13:9 We know only a portion of the truth and what we say about God is always incomplete(The Message Bible).
One can only explain/understand the concept of trinity through the help of the Holy Spirit and the Bible(Still at that it will still be minute).
I feel the bible should be checked in light of other verses and not just taking verses out of context.
Let us consider the verse in the bible that I really think refered to trinity in the bible.
1John5:7(funny enough just checked my message bible and that verse was omitted,felt the message bible would have explained better,whao).So there are three witnesses in heaven,the Father,the word,the Holy Spirit,and this three are one (AMP).
It so clear that they are three(1,2,3).They are one could probably mean that the three agree(not really sure if thats the meaning of the oneness).But Jesus layed so much emphasis on the fact that the Father was in heaven,he said that a lot of time,so it is clear from scripture that Jesus was never the Father.If he made it clear that the father was in heaven and He(Jesus) said this on earth then it is clear that they are two different persons(Even He prayed to the father while He was on earth,think about it why pray to the father if He was the father,their are a lot of scripture references to backk them up in my previous post).

I like ur sincerity.....

But I'll like u to do a good research on 1 john 5:7.......its a text that doesn't appear in the original script....its a latin vulgate extract that was attached to d bible by trinitarians....

That verse is spurious that is why recent translations and renderings of the bible don't put it......

Now let me quote from other translations.....

**New International Version (©1984)
For there are three that testify:

**New Living Translation (©2007)
So we have these three witnesses--

**English Standard Version (©2001)
For there are three that testify:

**International Standard Version (©2008)
For there are three witnesses-

***Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is
the truth.

**GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
There are three witnesses:


**World English Bible
For there are three who testify:


But lÉt us compare it with the king james::
King James Version (KJV)
7 For there are three that bear record in
heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy
Ghost: and these three are one.




FrÓm those othe® translatiÓns do u see that the 3 witnesses in heaven found in the KJV doesn't exist in this newer translations??

I want u to do a cool research and know why....

That 1 john 5:7 was an addition,therefore an error found in the KJv......

Even @ that when ever the bible mentions or defines a collective entity as one it always signifies unity,agreement and not co-equality.....

If u read verse 8 of that 1 John 5 it tells u of the witnesses on earth......

Let's read it.....

**New International Version (©1984)
the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the
three are in agreement.

**New Living Translation (©2007)
the Spirit, the water, and the blood--and all
three agree.

**English Standard Version (©2001)
the Spirit and the water and the blood; and
these three agree.

***New American Standard Bible (©1995)
the Spirit and the water and the blood; and
the three are in agreement.

**King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And there are three that bear witness in
earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood:
and these three agree in one.


**International Standard Version (©2008)
the Spirit, the water, and the blood-and these
three are one.......

cyrexx: this may come as a surprise to some people that nowhere did the bible say God is Omnipotent.Infact, not all Christians believe God is omnipotent. Surprisingly, the Bible explicitly says He isn't-- it says that God CANNOT (not just WILL NOT) lie. God having omnipotence is probably not an authentically Christian idea, it is mainly philosophical, even though many may be deceived about it.

it is human beings that describe him and give him such qualities.

other qualities humans give God that you cant find in the Bible includes the concepts of Trinity, Omniscience, Omnibenevolence and Uncreated Creator.

you cant find a specific chapter and verse for these qualities of Christian God.

Ur kinda correct ....

Also GOD cannot die....:-).

There are certain things that are impossible for GOD to do.........lieing and dying...............


Oboy have sent me d request??

CrazyMan: RCCG Awka, Anambra State

Crazeman sef dey go church??lmao

k2039: Ofcourse if the catholics say that Mary was Holy,Pure,Immaculate etc,yes they are right,afterall based on the standard then she was pure,she followed the mosiac law,did the necessary attonement for her sin,the only sin she didnt commit was fornication,which was explicitly sated by the bible(virgin).
But portraying Mary as sinless is a lie,fallacy,arrant nonsense and a hoax completely from the pit of hell.
Portraying her as sinless is wrong,
“As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” (Romans 3:10)
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23)
Mary was infact a sinner.
There is no basis for comparison of the birth of Jesus with any other person on earth,He was the only person that was born by a virgin(the last time I checked),and His conception was by the overshadowing of the HolySpirit(last time I also checked didnt hear of any other conception by the HolySpirit) so Jesus being Holy shouldnt be a big deal.

Excellent point.....