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If those persons later repented from there wicked ways and accepted Christ,why not!!!!!!.......

Christ was only making a request to his Father.....

The forgiveness of those men was contingent on there being repentant....

MacDaddy01: It matters where you live. Why dont you run to contries in south America or sub-saharan africa were christianity is growing ike mad? Why do you want to go the UK and USA where atheism is growing?


You are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Your god is fake.

Oh I don't have a problem living in those countries......I'll liie to live in brazil......

I can even live in ghana or benin republic......

Nigeria is messed up because of corruption that's why I wanna move out.....

Secular or not secular,worshipping Yahweh is what is my priority.....

.......

And my God is real....you are fake.....

Hahahahahahahahahaha.....

Its really crazy.....

MacDaddy01: You can choose but you will end up a hypocrite.

Secular laws built up those countries. You cant point to any of the top 10 advanced countries that do not have secular laws.

Secular laws or archaic laws is not d issue @ hand....my faith in God and carrying out his precepts is what matters......

I don't need secular laws to put me in order or to advance in life..

I live by Gods laws and that is enough....

Those countries can keep putting up secular laws,that's there business........

My hope is in Gods kingdom.....

So it don't matter where I live....my service to God is what's most important...

After all God created all lands and territories.....I can live where I wanna....

When d end comes atheists and there secular laws won't be around

Agreed!!!!!.....

MacDaddy01: lol....ur individual effort yet you want to enjoy in countries that were built by collective effort of individuals endorsing a secular society withsecular laws

So what's ur problem with that??

U speak as if only atheists build up those countries.......

Uh??

I can choose to live where ever I choose to live.......

Ubenedictus: U just have no point im sure ur parents u bow and greet ur parent u arent perfect but u wont do that to the person Jesus honored wow! I thought been a xtian is abt doing what christ did? Jesus d fulfilment of d law fully fulfiled d law by honoring or rather glorifying (kaboda) his mother, but u cant do d same.

"from henceforth all ages will cal me blessed"

actually d bible did, wen d word kecharitomene was used to adress mary.

d israelite also bow down b4 d ark and d image of a cherubim and by bible lets me know dat God wasnt angry about that. My friend images have been used in worship places since d old testament.

Do I make an image of my parents and bow down to them and also say or recite words of veneration??

Ubenidictus??......

U guys are worshipping mary.....

U can't run away from this glaring fact......

Honouring mary can never mean d same with making an image of mary and bowing down to it.....

Its absolute idolatry.......

Idolatry all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!..........

Did d apostles bow down to mary wen she was alive let alone make an image of her and bowing down to it??

Answer these questions and see how spurious bowing down to mary's image is......

""Holy mary mother of God,please pray for us""... I've forgotten how u guys say it.....

U guys are playing with the hell fire u teach....

The world will never know peace until its ruler is jettisoned and destroyed...

And I know u know who that ruler is.....:-)

MacDaddy01: The country that gave Nigeria christianity (the UK) is no longer a christian nation. Over 40% are said to be atheists and some figures say that the irreligious figures are much higher. However, Nigeria is becoming more and more religious. Europe is becoming more and more atheistic, same with Canada and Australia. Even in the USA, where atheists groups are claiming that there are more atheists than figures suggest with a growing number of closet atheists.

We see Nigerian christians and muslims flocking to secular Western countries for greener pastures yet their religion is the truth. The most damning factor here is that most of their regular religious posters live/enjoy in secular countries which have a significant amount of atheists. Frosbel and Anony live in the UK (a godless country). Tbaba lives in the USA, which has a lot of christians but has secular laws. Tbaba's fate is even worse as America is very anti-islamic especially when it comes to matters of foreign policy on terrorism.



I want to know how theists deal with this fact. What is the fate of these secular countries? Are they going to pay for their godlessness? Are the religious peeps who run to such countries going to suffer with them? Why are these secular countries prospering?

Get this bro....

Countries are not what will face Judgement but individuals.....

.....Even if I live in an atheist country,I might get saved as long as I uphold to my belief in Yahweh.......

The country I live in does not affect my salvation......

My individual effort to serve God is what matters most........

Goshen360: The same John 1:1 that you used to prove the deity and pre-existence of Christ as GOD in the past is now the same verse with which you say one God when the same verse proves otherwise........brother Frosbel, afraid don dey catch me for you this days o.....hope say you never go join some kind "club"

My comrade and chief.....general goshen.....I throw way salute......:-)....

How u dey na??....

Wetin dey shelle for ya side??

[quote author=OLAADEGBU][/quote]Oboy....

The subordination in the trinity is total gibberish.....where did u get that rubbish from??.....

How did u get to conclude that Jesus is head of the holy spirit or that d holy spirit is subordinate to Jesus??

Please show me from the scriptures....

U just copy and paste stuffs here......

And now because u can't understand the rubbish u've written u call it a mystery....

U are d same person who said Yahweh and Jesus and the holy spirit are equal and d same persons...

Now u talk about subordination amongsts the 3 Gods....

Ola leave the trinity alone and it will leave u......

Rich4god: @Ijawkid... Its you that didnt get it. Am not talking about friendship here. Frosbel started with anti catholic thread and basically all non catholic were his ally... Now, most of the non catholics that were his ally are now turning against him. Am telling, its only a matter of time before he comes up with a new doctrine that his recent ally will not agree with (you inclusive). Just watch and see.

Lol......

The truth is his knowledge evolved......

He started by forsaking the pagan heLl fire doctrine....purgatory...imoortality of the soul...etc.......

When once one knows d root and back ground of this pagan doctrines and sees hw much they aint compatible with d bible,that person has got no option but to embrace the truth....

Can't u see how spurious d trinity dogma is??

Sometimes I wonder why persons believe in it....

I expect u too to throw away that doctrine in dust bin....its pagan...it has no dealings with d scriptures...

k2039: Am suprise you saying welcome to the realm of truth,this is what I have always said in all my post on trinity that all three are distinct beings.So show me where I said otherwise.

Oh my chief I'm sorry...

Didn't take note...u knw we got more trinitarians than anti-trinitarians....

Good to know u don't support that roman doctrine....lol...

hisblud: to the bolded, i think you didnt read it well, i think he said goshen is father (to his children) as well as a
husband (if married) and as son (from a
parent). All this is his manifestation.

Or let us reason this way according to goshens analogy....

1......If goshen as son(from a parent) dies in a car aCcident(God forbid..goshen is my beloved brother) While going to see his parents would we say goshen as Father(to his own children) and goshen as husband(to a wife) will still keep living or that it just a manifestation of goshen that died and not Goshen ??......


Ok let's look @ it this way......

2.....Is it possible for Goshen as Father(to his children) pick up a phone and call Goshen as son(to his parents) in an in.stance??....won't we call goshen a mad man suffering from schizophrenia??....

My point::::

From 1.....trinitarians and goshen is saying that a part of God can die and that infact God did die.....that would be the most stupid thing that ever happened.....

From 2......trinitarians are also saying that when Jesus said the Father is greater than He is ,he(Jesus) was on some shekpe and infact forgot who he was........and that Jesus was suffering from multiple personality disorder........
Also when Yahweh spoke to Jesus from heaven,just as Goshen as Father(to his children) would pick up a phone and call Goshen as son ( to his parents),trinitarians are implying that Yahweh was speaking to himself.....what then do we call God??....


Trinitarians leave trinity alone and stick to what d bible teaches......

k2039: John 17:20-21
“My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one , Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.


Now, if Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father are one person, how can the apostles (being totally separate beings) be one person?
Impossible isn't it? Then why would Jesus include this in His prayer multiple times if it was impossible?
Because it is possible. Because Jesus Christ and Heavenly Father are two separate beings.

Now ur getting it right......

Good thinking bro.......

@goshen....u seem to be relapsing back and forth on this trinity pagan dogmÀ...

U always upheld Yahweh was different from Jesus and also that Yahweh is greater than Jesus...I don't knw where ur heading to this time again.........

The 1 john u quoted right here has been explained with ve®ses from d same chapter but u choose to stick to the fact that Jesus is Yahweh........

May I ask u to explain 1 corinthians 15::24,27 $ 28....??....

New International Version (©1984)
24...Then the end will come, when he hands over
the kingdom to God the Father after he has
destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
27..For he "has put everything under his feet."
Now when it says that "everything" has been
put under him, it is clear that this does not
include God himself, who put everything under
Christ.
28..When he has done this, then the Son himself
will be made subject to him who put everything
under him, so that God may be all in all.
.....


Questions....

##...why would u Jesus(whom u claim to be the only true God) subject himself to another GOD??...

##...who is that person seperÀte from Jesus that "put everything under Jesus's feet"!??...
Is it Jesus??

##....who i§ that person that is excepted frÓm Jesus's Àuthority and power??

##....does or will Jesus ever stop being the almighty(that's ?if he is from ur assertions)?...because 1 corinthians says he will hand over the kingdom to some1(ofcus u knw that person) and subject himself to that person.........

Goshen leave the trinity alone and it will leave ....u

k2039: I think everyone agrees Father and Jesus are two seperate beings.Thats what I can infer from the post so far and I agree they are distinct.
I believe that the one true God his the father,He has the final say on all matters

Ur welcome to the realm of truths my bro...

If trinitarians can see this then they need to wash them eyes.....lol...

hisblud: to the bolded, i think you didnt read it well, i think he said goshen is father (to his children) as well as a
husband (if married) and as son (from a
parent). All this is his manifestation.

But goshen wuldnt agree that he is 3 persons would he??

Would goshen also agree that when ever he is a son(from a parent) he suddenly suffers from memory loss and then forgets who he is when he is a daddy(to his children)??

Or would goshen agree that whenever he is a son(from a parent) he forgets when he is suppose to close from work and get bak to his wife??

Jesus didn't know when the end would come but the Father knew...how manage??


This question has driven trinitarians mad!!!!!


Make ona leave trinity teaching alone ehhhh....

Its d most dumb doctrine ever sold......

Goshen360: .....because you say it is pagan belief? I have said openly.....God is ONE! 1 x 1 x 1 = 1, NOT 1 + 1 + 1 = 1. Glory to God.

So the formular has changed from addition to multiplication??

Lwkm.........

Olaadegbu sometimes even uses eulers formular when the multiplication formular gets debunked.......

Goshen my bro its high time u leave this pagan doctrine and focus on the real .truths
.....

Rich4god: LOL... The way you are going with your "me alone doctrine"... Every one will turn against you... Even your closest ally ijawkid, truthslight and co will turn against you. Its just a matter of time.

U don't get it do u??

This doesn't have to do with freindship..

Frosbel has just found out that traditions of men/pagan doctrines aint compatible with d bible....

What ever is right is what I espouse....

U shuld do d same..

How can ola come up here and tell us Jesus is Yahweh....

Is that not madness??

U have to be on drugs to believe that...

Even the ola himself has refuted his own trinity doctrine by saying Jesus is Yahweh...

If Jesus is Yahweh how does that make them disticnt,different persons accordin to the pagan triology doctrine??

Ola is trying to teach that Yahweh died and was seen....when from the bible Yahweh cannot die and cannot be seen....

Leave the trinity doctrine and uphold truths......

The last thing I'll believe is that Yahweh can and indeed die.....

That's what d churches have been teaching and enforcing on many since the 3rd century....

Perfect write up...

One has to be on cocaine to think Jesus is Yahweh or that Jesus is equal to Yahweh...

Dilluminati.......hope u just heard d warnings....

Better keep ya head up and take in real knowledge of Yahweh and his Son whom(Yahweh) he sent......it is essentiÀl for salvation

Now is the time dear to forsake atheism and hold on to Jah......

The end is LURKING around.....

OLAADEGBU: You still haven't got a clue of what the godhead is all about.

What Godhead.......??

The Godhead in which ur likes formed and forced in 3 persons??.....

Ok from ur assertions I can conclude that Jesus is the Holy spirit.....

How about that??

Meanwhile I'll urge u to use other translations and see the other renderings for ur favorite word ""GODhead""

It seems whenever u hear Godhead it makes u think of a manifold....

That's d most serious problem ur having.....

frosbel: But what hell fire is this , if not the lake of fire which does not happen until judgement takes place.

"Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death." - Revelation 20:14

So here we see God casting sinners into the lake of fire for their final and irreversible death , which is why it is called DEATH and not everlasting torture.

Let us assume that it is everlasting torture if this rocks your boat, what does this verse below mean that categorically states that even DEATH itself will be destroyed.

1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

So how can second DEATH mean forever if DEATH itself is destroyed.

I rest my case.

GOod explanation....

Ola seems to love hell fire a lot even when it doesn't make any sense.....

@ola.....

Answer the question just asked....

If lake of fire is secon death and in that lake of fire satÀn,death,Hell(hades) and wicked persons will be thrown into it what does that tell u about d fire ??

Literal or symbolic??

Frosbel just did a gOod job by quoting 1 corinthians where it says death would be destroyed.......

If death wuld be destroyed when thrown into d lake of fire and not. Been tormented. Forever,why would it be a different case when it comes to wicked humans??...


Lake of fire signifies Total destruction/everlasting destruction.......

""DESTRUCTION""


Oboy leave church doctrine and embrace real fresh truths from d bible.....

OLAADEGBU: Jesus Christ possesses divine names—names that can only be used of God. For example:

Jesus is Yahweh. Yahweh is a very common Hebrew name for God in the Old Testament, occurring over 5,300 times. It is translated Lord (all capitals) in many English translations of the Bible.

We first learn of this name in Exodus 3, where Moses asked God by what name He should be called. God replied to him, "I AM WHO I AM. . . .Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you" (verse 14). Yahweh is basically a shortened form of "I AM WHO I AM" (verse 15). The name conveys the idea of eternal self-existence. Yahweh never came into being at a point in time for He has always existed.

Jesus implicitly ascribed this divine name to himself during a confrontation He had with a group of hostile Jews. He said, "I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (John 8:58). Jesus deliberately contrasted the created origin of Abraham—whom the Jews venerated—with His own eternal, uncreated nature as God

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab2/is-jesus-god

Ola something must be wrong with u....

How can Jesus be Yahweh.??

Now that's heresy.....u better go for a brain check....

Now I know u don't believe in the trinity that talks about 3 distinct persons.....

Ur against ur doctrine....

How can Jesus be Yahweh and worship himself.....

Gibberish....

Its all about modesty....

But christians shuld be considerate so as not to stumble others by there wearing jewelries....

Our Jewelries shuld never portray us as extravagant and showy....

To cut it short MOdesty is the watch word .....

Wetin dey happen for this place??

MacDaddy01: Atheists generally accept facts. The evidence points towards a starting point of the universe.


Christians believe things without evidence. The starting point of the universe is caused by god

Common shut up....

Atheists too hold on to things they aint sure of.......

What ever u are told u believe...wrong??

.bbpreye:
Pls NL's u need to help me on this. I feel like praying but a voice tells me that am wasting my time, its not helping me at all.
Pls advice me

Are u not the garri movement adherent??lol...

Don't stop praying....its d only free thing we got in this wicked world...don't give up...