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 Christianity Etc › Re: What Atheist Dont Believe In by ijawkid(m): 10:05pm On Aug 12, 2012 |
Any one who doesn't believe in miracles aint a realist....... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity (true Or False). The Love Perspective. by ijawkid(m): 8:32am On Aug 12, 2012 |
@ ihedinobi my bro.... U can look up john 10:18 from these other 2 translations.... ##Weymouth New Testament No one is taking it away from me, but I myself am laying it down. I am authorized to lay it down, and I am authorized to receive it back again. This is the command I received from my Father." ##Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010) “No man takes it from me; I am laying it down of my own will, for I am authorized to lay it down, and I am authorized to receive it again; this commandment I have received from my Father.” .... Jesus willingly did surrender himself to do Yahwehs will by dying,and then he also had d power to receive it.(Reward for his obedience)........ Let me requote hebrews 5:7-9 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto HIM that was ABLE to save him from DEATH, and was heard in that he FEARED; 8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he OBEDIENCE by the things which he suffered; 9 And being MADE PERFECT, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Those scriptures are lucid ........ They show how Jesus's obedience bought him all the priviledges and power he has being bestowed with..... Thank u bro..... Its like ur from rivers state..... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity (true Or False). The Love Perspective. by ijawkid(m): 8:17am On Aug 12, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: (...continuing from last post...)So in all ur trying to prove to me that Yahweh can die(not immortal) and infact did die?? do a re-thinking bro.....it shuldnt get to this.... The trinity shuldnt take us to this level....... Like I said and I've always said,Jesus indeed was bestowed with power from a higher source(Yahweh)....... Jesus choosing to lay down his life or take it does not prove d fact that he is BOTH fully man and GOD.... It only proved he was a free moral agent who could make his own personal decisions,not been goaded..... Jesus chose to die for mankind in obedience to his Fathers will........ After all ,when he died,3days later it was his Father who ressurected him.......... Jesus got a reward for his obedience..... He took his life and he got it back from the source of life Yahweh.. John 6:57 New International Version (NIV) 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. ..... Jesus was rewarded with immortality in that he was never to taste death again,but annointed and elevated to a lofty position by Yahweh.....he is now sitting @ d right hand of Yahweh until all his enemies are put under his feet........ Let's also read hebrews 5:4-10 to see d results of Jesus being obedient and willing to take his life so as to gain it back... 4 And no one takes this honor on himself, but he receives it when called by God, just as Aaron was. 5 In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.”[a] 6 And he says in another place, “You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek. ”[b] 7 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. 8 Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9 and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him 10 and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.... Its all Yahwehs doing........ Let's re-consider the whole of john 10:17 $ 18 u quoted.... New International Version (NIV) 17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life —only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.” ....The Father loved Jesus for his willingness and obedience to die according to Yahwehs arrangement to save mankind...... Jesus ofcus accepted d divine will to come and die willingly ..... Meaning that though he layed down his life out of his own initiative,he was @ d same time doing his Fathers will and not his own will......... . Hebrews 10:7 tells us that..... New International Version (NIV) 7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll — I have come to do your will, my God.’”.... Those words found @ john 10:17 $ 18 does nt in anyway prove that Jesus is both GOD and man,it only shows how obedient Jesus was and the reward he was to attain and which he did attain........ Back to our main point:::::: The Almighty cannot and does not die and no one,I repeat no one has ever seen HIM........... Thanks,...... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Heaven And Hell Fire, Real Or Fallacy? by ijawkid(m): 10:18pm On Aug 11, 2012 |
buzugee: AND THE LAST ONEU see why we are like minded.....!!!! U just said exactly what I was going to say regarding the new heavens and earth.... Many think that the new earth will be a newly created earth.....that d former will literally be burnt with fire.... But u got it right... Its gonna be a new ,righteous human society.... And ofcus the new heavens means new rulership... All of todays government be it the american government,the nigerian government,the euro governments will all be smashed by Gods heavenly government..... I can't wait to see that happen.... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Do Animals Go To When They Die. by ijawkid(m): 6:07pm On Aug 11, 2012 |
buzugee: YOU ARE RIGHT. ANIMALS HAVE SOULS CUZ THEY ARE CONTROLLED BY GOD. THEY ARE PART OF THE SEALS. WHEN YOU SEE A SHARK ATTACK A SURFER OR WHEN THAT STRINGRAY KILLED THAT CROCODILE HUNTER GUY ? GOD DID THATOk sir...... They are living souls........:-)..... Oboy u never reply my message ...... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Do Animals Go To When They Die. by ijawkid(m): 6:05pm On Aug 11, 2012 |
@poster and mr acid.... Read leveticus 11:46.... ##Darby Bible Translation This is the law of cattle, and of fowl, and of every living soul that moveth in the waters, and of every soul that crawleth on the earth; animals are SOULS from the bibles view point....... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Do Animals Go To When They Die. by ijawkid(m): 5:53pm On Aug 11, 2012 |
Acidosis: Its simply ECOSYSTEM.Animals are souls Oooooooooooooo....... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Since When Did Speaking The Truth With Facts Earn One A Ban ? Seun Sort This Out by ijawkid(m): 5:16pm On Aug 11, 2012 |
buzugee: Frosbel you are a trouble maker and not only do you deserve to be banned, you deserve to be caned atrociously by muscled jihadists. 24 lashes will suffice.Hahahahahahaha...... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity (true Or False). The Love Perspective. by ijawkid(m): 2:03pm On Aug 11, 2012 |
My dear bro ihedinobi... This is my lil research on how angels who did materialize in the past to pass on Gods message were thought by servants of old to be GOD himself.....rather they were spokesmen for GOD...... U can go through it........this will also help u see why Jesus can't be the Father or be fully GOD and man @ d same time....it will clarify issues on why when Jesus made statements like""if u've seen me u've seen the Father"" he wasn't implying he was the father........ Has Anyone Seen God? THE renowned patriarch Abraham, who lived more than 1,900 years before the birth of Jesus Christ, was so warmly viewed by our Creator that he was called “God’s friend.” (James 2:23, ) If anyone would be given the privilege of seeing God, surely Abraham would be that person. Well, on a certain occasion, three visitors came to him with a divine message. Abraham addressed one of them as YAHWEH. Does this mean that Abraham actually saw God? This account is found at Genesis 18:1-3. There we read: “YAHWEH appeared to him among the big trees of Mamre, while he was sitting at the entrance of the tent about the heat of the day. When he raised his eyes, then he looked and there three men were standing some distance from him. When he caught sight of them he began running to meet them from the entrance of the tent and proceeded to bow down to the earth. Then he said: ‘Yahweh, if, now, I have found favor in your eyes, please do not pass by your servant.’” Later, when Abraham and his three visitors were viewing Sodom from an elevated location, two left to visit the city. Verse 22 then says: “But as for Jehovah, he was still standing before Abraham.” It would appear from this that God was present with Abraham in a materialized fleshly body. This is what some persons contend who believe that God and Jesus Christ are one and the same person. Regarding Genesis 18:3, Bible scholar Melancthon W. Jacobus wrote: “Here God appears for the first time on record as man among men, to show the reality of His Being, and of His affinity with men, and by this typical act to assure the patriarch of the Divine communion and fellowship.” Those having this point of view could conclude that Abraham actually saw GOD with his physical eyes and that persons who saw Jesus Christ also saw God. But is this conclusion in harmony with the Bible? What Jesus Said Instead of announcing that he was God in the flesh, Jesus Christ said: “I am God’s Son.” (John 10:36) As Yahweh’s perfect Representative, Jesus also said: “I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative; just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.” (John 5:30) Towards the death of Christ, he prayed to the great Creator in the heavens, addressing him as “My God, my God.” (Matthew 27:46) After his resurrection, Jesus told Mary Magdalene: “I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.” (John 20:1, 17) Since Jesus Christ was not God incarnate, no one who saw Jesus could say that he had thus seen God. John, the apostle whom Jesus especially loved, confirmed the fact that the apostles were not seeing God when they looked at Jesus. Under inspiration John said: “No man has seen God at any time.” (John 1:18) Whom, then, did Abraham see? The experience of Moses helps us to find the answer. How Moses Saw God Moses once expressed the desire to see God. At Exodus 33:18-20, we read: “‘Cause me [Moses] to see, please, your glory.’ But he [God] said: ‘I myself shall cause all my goodness to pass before your face, and I will declare the name of Jehovah before you; and I will favor the one whom I may favor, and I will show mercy to the one to whom I may show mercy.’ And he added: ‘You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.’” What God permitted Moses to see was His passing glory. Verses 21-23 state: “And GOD said further: ‘Here is a place with me, and you must station yourself upon the rock. And it has to occur that while my glory is passing by I must place you in a hole in the rock, and I must put my palm over you as a screen until I have passed by. After that I must take my palm away, and you will indeed see my back. But my face may not be seen.’” In harmony with what Yahweh told Moses and what the apostle John said, Moses saw no materialization or material form of God. All that Moses saw was the afterglow of the divine presence passing by. Even then he had to be divinely protected. Obviously, it was not God himself that Moses saw. When Moses spoke to God “face to face,” as stated at Exodus 33:11, he was not in visual contact with Yahweh. This expression indicates the manner in which Moses communicated with God, not what he saw. Speaking with God “face to face” indicates a two-way conversation. Similarly, an individual can carry on a two-way conversation by telephone without seeing the other person. When Moses talked with God and received instructions from him, the communication was not through visions, as was often the case with other prophets. This is noted at Numbers 12:6-8, where we read: “He went on to say: ‘Hear my words, please. If there came to be a prophet of yours for Yahweh, it would be in a vision I would make myself known to him. In a dream I would speak to him. Not so my servant Moses! He is being entrusted with all my house. Mouth to mouth I speak to him, thus showing him, and not by riddles; and the appearance of Yahweh is what he beholds.’” In what sense did Moses behold “the appearance of Yahweh”? Moses beheld “the appearance of Yahweh” when he, Aaron, and certain other men were on Mount Sinai. At Exodus 24:10, it is written: “They got to see the God of Israel. And under his feet there was what seemed like a work of sapphire flagstones and like the very heavens for purity.” But how did Moses and the other men get to “see the God of Israel,” since God had told him, “No man may see me and yet live”? Verse 11 explains, for it says: “He did not put out his hand against the distinguished men of the sons of Israel, but they got a vision of the true God and ate and drank.” So the appearance of God that Moses and the others saw was by means of a vision. Angelic Representatives It has not been necessary for the great Creator of the universe to come down from his lofty place in the heavens in order to deliver messages to certain humans. Aside from the three recorded instances when God’s own voice was heard while his Son was on the earth, Yahweh has always used angels to transmit His messages. (Matthew 3:17; 17:5; John 12:28) Even the Law that God gave to the nation of Israel at Mount Sinai was transmitted by angels, although Moses was represented as talking directly with God himself. Regarding this, the apostle Paul wrote: “why ,then,was the law given?it was given alongside the promise to show people their sins.but the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised.God gave his law through angels to moses,who was the mediator between God and the people(new living translation).”—Galatians 3:19. That Moses actually spoke with an angel who was personally representing God is also indicated at Acts 7:38, which states: “He was in the assembly in the desert ,with the angel who spoke to him on mount Sinai,and with our fathers;and he received living words to pass on to us”(NIV). That angel was the personal spokesman for Yahweh, the Creator, and so he spoke to Moses as if God himself were speaking. The angel who delivered God’s message to Moses at the burning thornbush was also a spokesman. He is identified as Yahweh’s angel at Exodus 3:2, where we are told: “and the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush;and he looked,and ,behold,the bush burned with fire,and the bush was not consumed.” Verse 4 says: “And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see,God called unto him out of the midst of the bush,and said,moses,moses.And he said Here I am.” In verse 6, this angelic spokesman for God said: “Moreover he said,I am the God of thy father,the God of Abraham,the GOD of Isaac and the GOD of Jacob.And moses hid his face;for he was afraid to look upon God.” So when speaking with this personal representative of God, Moses spoke as if he were speaking to Yahweh himself.—Exodus 4:10. In the 6th chapter of Judges, we find another example of a man speaking to God through an angelic representative. Verse 11 identifies the message bearer as “Yahwehs angel.” There we read: “Later yahweh’s angel came and sat under the big tree that was in Ophrah, which belonged to Joash the Abiezrite, while Gideon his son was beating out wheat in the winepress so as to get it quickly out of the sight of Midian.” This messenger, “God’s angel,” is thereafter represented as if he were YAHWEH himself. In verses 14 and 15, we read: “Upon that GOD faced [Gideon] and said: ‘Go in this power of yours, and you will certainly save Israel out of Midian’s palm. Do I not send you?’ In turn he said to him: ‘Excuse me, LORD. With what shall I save Israel?’” So the materialized angel seen by Gideon and with whom he spoke is represented in the Biblical account as if he were God himself. In verse 22, Gideon says: “I have seen an angel of the LORD face to face!” The angel spoke precisely what God told him to speak. Therefore, Gideon spoke with God through this angelic spokesman. Consider, too, the case of Manoah and his wife, the parents of Samson. This account also speaks of the angelic messenger as “Jehovah’s angel” and “the angel of the true God.” (Judges 13:2-18) In verse 22, Manoah says to his wife: “We shall positively die, because it is God that we have seen.” Although he did not actually see God, Manoah felt that way because he had seen the materialized personal spokesman for God. “No Man Has Seen God” Now it is possible to understand why Abraham addressed the materialized angelic spokesman of God as if he were talking to Yahweh himself. Since this angel spoke precisely what God wanted to have said to Abraham and was there personally representing Him, the Biblical record could say that “the LORD appeared to him.”—Genesis 18:1. Remember that an angelic spokesman for God could transmit His messages just as precisely as a telephone or a radio can transmit our words to another person. Hence, it can be understood how Abraham, Moses, Manoah, and others could speak with a materialized angel as if they were talking to God. While such individuals were able to see these angels and the glory of Yahweh reflected by them, they were not able to see God. Therefore, this in no way contradicts the apostle John’s statement: “No man has seen God at any time.” (John 1:18) What these men saw were angelic representatives and not God himself. Those are examples of how Yahweh used his spirit messangers to deliver timely utterances back then…….. They spoke exactly what Yahweh wanted them to say,which is of the same case with Jesus….. Jesus said nothing out of his own originality…what ever the Father told him to say is what he said @ every given point in time…… |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity (true Or False). The Love Perspective. by ijawkid(m): 12:58pm On Aug 11, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: You could say that that phrase was added to test your reaction. That is not strictly true though. I have been accused of arrogance on this thread because I stood firm on what I know to be true. Now you call me sincere because I say "in my thinking" which you read to mean that I am not sure. I am actually quite sure of what I am saying. I have not seen any of you who are against the Trinity holding your views as your own opinion. You insist that your position is the correct one and every position for the Trinity is unBiblical.U asked why GOD can't be flesh and blood?? Because he is the supreme ruler and GOD and cannot be seen...... Yahweh told moses this @ exodus 33:18-20... The soveriegn LORD does not need to come in flesh and blood..... He has got servants and messangers who can do that......... And besides that, one of Jesus's aim was to be killed $ sacrificed on our behalf....not so?? Jesus died.....not so?? The almighty GOD can and does not die....... Not for any reason I hope I'm clear?? The almighty simply because he wants to redeem mankind from sin and death does not need to come and die for us.....GOD cannot die for any reason(not even if he decides to be flesh and blood,of which he wont)....if that happens then he has to stop being GOD.....it goes against who Yahweh is........... For Jesus to had died and was ressurected is a proof that he isn't the Father........ No matter how u might try to support ur stance with the ""LOVE theory"" it won't and can't change who Yahweh is suppose to be..... Yahweh is omnipotent and all powerful but that doesn't mean he isn't organized,nor will he go against what HE is........... Like Jesus rightly said ""he has come to do his Fathers will not his own will""....... Yahweh sent Jesus to carry out that job and Jesus obediently did all what he was told........... Its really hard for me to be able to highlight a point of yours and deliberate on it since I'm using my phone....... But I'll keep tryin as much as I can to keep up this discussion............. My final points are:::::: Jesus being fully GOD and fully man while on earth isn't compatible with d bible...... I'll arrange my write up to show how angels did materialize to deliver messages from Yahweh to d isrealites ........ |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity (true Or False). The Love Perspective. by ijawkid(m): 12:39pm On Aug 11, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: Why do you say this? Why does the Almighty not do this?The ""kenotic"" doctrine is just a term like trinity used by trinity adherents to describe Jesus emptying his GODhood to live on earth....that's what it says..... And so when verses are read where Jesus worshipped the Father,or when he said he don't know when the end will come but only the Father,or when he said only the Father is good ,many including u say its because he was just living within the boundaries of his humanity...... But @ d same time the trinity dogma says Jesus while on earth was fully man and fully GOD....how do u reconcile those 2 concepts?? That's why I said that those 2 concepts are totally contradictory..... I don't know if ur getting my point?? Jesus being refferd to as the son of GOD simply shows and means he is the son of GOD......like we and all d angels are(I'm not saying we or the angels are equal to JESUS) That word ""son of GOD"" does not in anyway mean that Jesus was fully GOD here on earth........ Then he won't have to be called SON of MAN.... Jesus was flesh and blood.....he was fully human and not fully GOD.... If Jesus still had to be fully GOD here on earth then his death and sacrifice would have to be invalid.... That's why I said its either we choose 1 or leave the other..... And may I please add this ,that even as a human Jesus knew quite well were he came from and he knew about what he was b4 descending..... If Jesus culd say that only the Father knew when d end will come,and neither him nor the angels knew,he was simply just saying the truth.............. He didn't know!!!!!!!!!!.....@ that point in time only Yahweh knew.....if Jesus was fully GOD @ that particular time no reason what so ever wuld make Jesus not know when d end will come........except if he suffered from memory loss or amnesia....... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Do Witches Really Convene At Night To Suck Blood? by ijawkid(m): 12:20pm On Aug 11, 2012 |
Evil Brain: So far, nobody has been able to defend this assertion tha juju is real. Wissezy has described what scientists call hypnopompic hallucinations aka spirits pressing you down in the night. This is a common phenomenon that is definitely not caused by witches or demons or whatever. It seems that he's been suckered by the pastors who spread this false belief in order to scare people and bring them to church.Oboy where u dey live?? If u doubt come and see for urself... U guys just like arguing all d time.... Come and see for urself if its just hallucinations or sometin real.... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Can A Born Again Christian Lady Use Jewerries, Weavons & Trousers? by ijawkid(m): 12:17pm On Aug 11, 2012 |
i.chuka:Lol... Ona go kill me for laugh...... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity (true Or False). The Love Perspective. by ijawkid(m): 7:25am On Aug 11, 2012*. Modified: 8:03am On Aug 11, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: ^^ As for the Father being a Spirit, well, I'm sure He is. But Jesus's words were "God is a Spirit (a spiritual Being) and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth (reality)" (John 4:24 AMP). Earlier in that conversation with the Samaritan woman, He'd been talking about the Father, but He ended the discourse with "God is a Spirit..." In my thinking, that means that all of the Godhead is a Spirit. Jesus as God is a Spirit too as the Father and The Holy Spirit are. I feel that the problem here is possibly that you are weighing Jesus entirely on the scales of His humanity. Once you try to explain more than His humanity, problems come up because then, either it is the Trinity or it is polytheism.I thank u for using ""IN MY THINKING"" to give the explanations u just gave.... But please my bro we dnt know it all and I appreciate ur sincererity...... If Jesus could open his mouth and remind his listeners who were already Jews that GOD is a spirit then it really did show and was an evidence that Jesus wasn't the GOD he was talking about......that's 1 clear evidence..... The jews already from d scriptures knew no one can see God,physically(exodus 33:18-20).....they knew GOD was and is a spirit..... So none would have concluded that Jesus was d almighty.....(They knew d scriptures and Jesus even helped them see d more that GOD is a spirit) Only his messengers,prophets,angels and representatives were seen and felt..... Example :::angels back then culd materialize and be felt,and they ran errands for Yahweh.... In Jesus's case its even more glaring why he wasn't fully GOD on earth...why?? He was born as a child with flesh and blood... That fully contradicts all ""fully GOD fully man theory"" If Jesus did materialize straight from d heavens then ur analogy can hold... But ofcus Jesus was begotten by mary and he lived like human for 33 and a half years..... That is why he is called the son of man.... Not even any angel in heaven was called that way.... Not even Yahweh can be called that.... No reason what so ever would waRrant Yahweh to be physical to men.....its an impossibility Yahweh himself did say ""NO one can see HIM"" right??those words never change bro....... And if u agree that Jesus is a spirit in heaven just like the Father and the holy spirit then I must say u also agree that Jesus isn't with flesh in heaven as well......... So many things Jesus said and did that goes against the doctrine of him being both fully man and GOD...... We have to either choose 1 and leave d other.... They are not compatible....... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity (true Or False). The Love Perspective. by ijawkid(m): 7:14am On Aug 11, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: On the matter of Jesus's perfect reflection of His Father's qualities we are agreed. What we may not be in agreement about is that this reflection was because He is a perfect man and the fact that there is more to Jesus's perfect humanity. The concept of the Trinity holds that this "more" is His Godhood. The concept says that Jesus is both perfectly man and perfectly God. Throughout His humanity, including now that He is in Heaven at the Right Hand of Majesty, He operates as a man, not as God. It is as Man that He came, as Man that He died, as Man that He was raised from the dead and as Man that He ascended into Heaven and was given this place of authority over all the works of God's Hands. So, if you say, "if Jesus is Almighty God why something perfectly normal to a human being, albeit a perfect one?" you are still not arguing effectively against His Godhood.If he laid down his Godhood to be man,then it simply means he aint Yahweh or the almighty.... The almighty doesn't do that....... The trinity says Jesus is both GOD and MAn @ the same time,but what we've read from the bible says otherwise...... Jesus was a perfect man on earth..... He was fully a perfect man...... Jesus didn't just choose to abandon his Godhood,he was infact running an errand for some1 higher than him and was a human on earth(perfect human)....... he was flesh and blood on earth If not he wouldn't die nor have forgotten when the end will come....... That's why he was called the son of man........ That phrase'""son of man"" contradicts whatever doctrine that says Jesus was fully the almighty and man @ d same time....... This mistake and contradictions many have made is what has made d trinity dogma more spurious than ever........ I want u to read more about the kenotic doctrine and compare it with the trinity doctrine and then finally come back to the bible and see how they all contradict each other...... A lil question...:: would u have said Jesus was fully GOD and MAN @ d same time when he was 2 years old......?? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Trinity (true Or False). The Love Perspective. by ijawkid(m): 8:55pm On Aug 10, 2012*. Modified: 9:13pm On Aug 10, 2012 |
Ihedinobi: Per the bolded, Jesus did say to Philip that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father as well (John 14:8-10).Ofcus u actually knw what Jesus meant when he said if we've seen him.we've seen the Father....... Meaning he reflects his Fathers qualities.... After all it was still d same Jesus who said no one has seen the Father...... The Father is a spirit....abi??john 4:24.... Except Jesus was lying @ d same time..... Jesus reflected his Fathers qualities perfectly having learnt so much from HIM.... JOHN 7;16 $ 18.... Just as pharoah didn't have to see Yahweh in order to know who he was dealing with,and of which moses was like GOD to pharoah so also is d same with when Jesus said, ""if u've seen me u've seen the Father"" Obviously the Father was and is a spirit... How could the disciples have seen him..... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Will You Ever Deny Jesus? by ijawkid(m): 8:51pm On Aug 10, 2012 |
buzugee: yeah if christs forename and surname is FILTHY LUCRELmao...... U rili know these guys well...... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Lord Is A Terrible Man Of War. by ijawkid(m): 8:46pm On Aug 10, 2012 |
buzugee: i hear cassava bread go down nicely with ewa aganyinLol.... I haven't tasted it.... I guess its gonna go down realy good....:-) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Weird Facts In The Book Of Job by ijawkid(m): 7:38pm On Aug 10, 2012 |
plaetton: Ha ha haha ha. Scriptural reasoning? Ok . I get you .My bro that hebrew word ELOHIM could denote various things and it culd mean the above I told u..... GOD is nobody's name,its a title.... I told u how well u can understand that word..... Be it also for the greek word THEOS...... Powerful kings are called ELOHIM,all spirit creatures(be it angels,Jesus,demons) are called GODs........ Context shuld tell u which is which........ I already told u what that psalms is saying and meaning...... That is it my bro....... Oh and in the case where Yahweh said let us create man in our own image.... He was definitly speaking to his son(Jesus) who was with Him and which ever ELOHIMs that were present(angels)........ Context shuld tell u how to make a good exegesis of that word ""ELOHIM"" |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Weird Facts In The Book Of Job by ijawkid(m): 3:57pm On Aug 10, 2012 |
plaetton: I am laughing and rolling on the floor.What's funny about what I wrote....?? That's what it is....... Ur problem is u never use scriptures to interprete scriptures... U can't just quote psalms 82:1,interprete d way it suits ur stand,and fail to compare it with other verses in d bible... What is difficult to understand?? That the word ELOHIM refers to JUDges and Yahwehs representatives or what?? U gotta increase ur scriptural reasoning if u still want to.... Jesus himself quoted from that chapter of the psalms... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Weird Facts In The Book Of Job by ijawkid(m): 3:12pm On Aug 10, 2012 |
plaetton: It is not my responsiblity to educate you about the history of your religion.The psalms 82:1 u quoted aint referring to pagan GODS my bro... ELOHIM is used of men,human judges in isreal..Jesus even quoted from this psalm @ john 10:34 $ 35.. they were GODS in their capacity as representatives of and spokesmen for YAHWEH.. Just as moses was similarly told that he was to serve as ""GOD"" to aeron and pharoah.. Read exodus 4:16 and exodus 7:1 Exodus 7:1.. ##Douay-Rheims Bible And the Lord said to Moses: Behold I have appointed thee the God of Pharao: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. Exodus 4:16 ##English Revised Version And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and it shall come to pass, that he shall be to thee a mouth, and thou shalt be to him as God.... My point?? That verse wasn't and isn't reffering to some pagan GODs in which Yahweh was there supreme judge,rather it was pointing to isrealite judges and Yahwehs representatives.... YAHWEH is the supreme GOD over all GODS...he is the GOD OF all GODS..... Wether in heaven or on earth.... He doesn't need to sit down with some cheap idols to render judgement or discuss issues... There was no mistranslation of that verse...it is what it is....!!!! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Will You Ever Deny Jesus? by ijawkid(m): 2:38pm On Aug 10, 2012 |
buzugee: No need to hear the answers of those pastors. their answers is glaring to the world. TITUS 1 VS 16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.Lol..... Some might just be ready to die for christ.....who knows.... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Lord Is A Terrible Man Of War. by ijawkid(m): 1:49pm On Aug 10, 2012 |
buzugee: simply means you are stuck with the cassava bread maestro till yall get yo shytt togetherHahahahaha.... Buzugee u no well @ all..... I guess we are stuck with d cassava man.... We will eat cassava bread till thy kingdom come....lol |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Will You Ever Deny Jesus? by ijawkid(m): 10:58am On Aug 10, 2012 |
buzugee:Hehehehehe.... This question hard o........ I go like hear d answers of all d pastors wey get private jet wey dey claim say them know God well well to answer this question..... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Mary(mother Of Jesus) Report In The Bible? by ijawkid(m): 7:47am On Aug 10, 2012 |
Ubenedictus: no intercession is not a form of worship. I know muslims who go to their imam for prayers, protestants wu go to their pastors and say pray for me, d same way catholics go to mary, peter, john, paul and d other saints both on earth and in heaven and ask for intercession. Even paul when he was alive asked d xtians to pray for him, paul also asked that intercession shuld be made for kings and princes and those in authority. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Is Mary(mother Of Jesus) Report In The Bible? by ijawkid(m): 7:43am On Aug 10, 2012 |
Ubenedictus: no intercession is not a form of worship. I know muslims who go to their imam for prayers, protestants wu go to their pastors and say pray for me, d same way catholics go to mary, peter, john, paul and d other saints both on earth and in heaven and ask for intercession. Even paul when he was alive asked d xtians to pray for him, paul also asked that intercession shuld be made for kings and princes and those in authority.Those christians that paul asked to make intercessions in behalf of there fellow brothers were they already dead?? Was paul asking brothers and sisters to make dead people there intercessors?? Or was paul asking christian folks who were already dead to pray for kings and all those needing prayers?? Imams and pastors are persons who are alive who d bible. Or quaran as d case mayb had given mandate to take d lead.....james 5:14 $ 15 Those verses apply to persons who are alive.... Mary is dead oooooo.... How can d dead intercede for others?? Where in d bible did u hear that Gods people prayed thru d dead to intercede for them?? Please mention just 1 verse and I'll quit this discuss.... U might wanna tell me that when mary was alive people begged her to beg her son to change water into wine @ a wedding ceremony...u might wanna use that as an example....but d truth is mary was alive and so also was Jesus on earth with her..... But mary is dead...she is dead my bro..... No isrealite or early christian with there right senses would have even pleaded with mary to intercede for them even when she was alive and when Jesus had gone back to heaven..... That would totally go against Yahwehs arrangement..... That wuld be ancestral worship my bro... Only pagans expected d dead to intercede for them....... That shuld be tantamount to ancestral worship.... The only person who died, was ressurected and has d right to intercede for us is JESUS and only Jesus...... Mary is far away from such responsibility...... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Did 'Jesus' Ascend 'Up To Heaven' With A Physical Body? by ijawkid(m): 7:38pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
Ubenedictus: yes he did, but he didnt in any way add d word 'body' when talking about d father.This is not a JW issue bro..... And what do u mean by spirit?? Aint we humans anymore?? What spirit are u talking about?? Which spirit does maÑ have?? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Did 'Jesus' Ascend 'Up To Heaven' With A Physical Body? by ijawkid(m): 6:44pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
lagerwhenindoubt: @truthislight @ijawkid asides the intricacies and finer points, I do believe we agree on the above.But since wey I small them teach me say na only spirits dey stay for heaven....lol.... But seriously I still want to know d logic behind Jesus passing thru thick walls... Only a spirit who culd materialize and de-materialize @ d same time can do that.... Angels did that a couple of times in d past.... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Did 'Jesus' Ascend 'Up To Heaven' With A Physical Body? by ijawkid(m): 6:35pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
lagerwhenindoubt: Well when you put it that way, Jesus was first a Spirit being before he became an earthly man John 1:14 "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father." so yes when you put it that way he is a regular NEO able to bend the Matrix to his will at willLol.... Why shuld 1 who was a spirit b4 coming to the earth,return back to a place where only spirit creatures lived with flesh?? Then na heaven him go?? Lol..... Its funny....... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Did 'Jesus' Ascend 'Up To Heaven' With A Physical Body? by ijawkid(m): 6:32pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
Ubenedictus: he didnt have a body he was a pure spiritPaul did distinguish between a physical body and a heavenly body ...... So u mean to tell me d angels do not have a heavenly body?? And ofcus paul said that d 1st adam had a physical body,but d last adam has a heavenly body.... 45 So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”[f]; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. 46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. 47 The first man was of the dust of the earth; the second man is of heaven. 48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the earthly man, so shall we[g] bear the image of the heavenly man. 50 I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable,..... ...... I want u to now reconclie Jesus being the almighty GOD to john 4:24....... If Jesus isn't a spirit right now then it means everything is wrong...... If Yahweh is a spirit,holy spirit is a spirit too(if its a person),why shuld Jesus be in d heavens with flesh and bone or whatever physical body he is with?? Then is he really in heaven?? Jesus culd pass thru wall and culd appear in a locke room to meet his disciples.... What else culd that?? I'm asking this pertinent questions..... And I want d bible to give us answers....... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How Did 'Jesus' Ascend 'Up To Heaven' With A Physical Body? by ijawkid(m): 5:19pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
lagerwhenindoubt: @teminoni and @ijawkid, I expected you will use Biblical Scripture (and FaithPhillip was transported from where to where if I may ask?? Was stephen able to pass thru thick wall?? Why u dey talk like say u no know say na 2 different scenarios.... Jesus was able to penetrate into a locked room.... This is not an atmosphere business.... U shuld be comparing phillips case with enochs case........not with Jesus's...... And now I ask 1 last time how does ur analogy now agree with john 4:24 that GOD is a spirit.... Answer me..... And as regards d fact that Jesus was felt and that he ate even bread after his ressurection,it has been proven by d same bible that angels in the past did that..... Numerous examples of which u know....... Phillip didn't pass thru any thick layered surface..... He was transported thru d atmosphere just like enoch..... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do We Have More Than Two Redeemed Churchs On A Street? by ijawkid(m): 3:37pm On Aug 09, 2012 |
Delafruita: does the government collects billions in tithes and offerings?The government officials who steal are even the ones who tithe more and sit in front sits @ d churches...... The government is our sole problem..... Na them be our cancer......... |
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