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Ihedinobi: Hmmm...thinking...

musKeeto: Hahaa.. i think say buzugee go comment for the thread.. i been wan piss am offf... where im dey sef?

musKeeto: No one should be rich. You work hard to get rich... or you get an inheritance.. or get lucky... No one is born with a right to be rich.. not even getting 'born again' would do that...
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Delafruita: i concur

Deep Sight: Seriously. This cannot be possible anywhere in the world in 2012. Surely there must be some falsehood somewhere.

Logicbwoy: Hey, can God create a rock that he can not move?

Logicbwoy: The religion section is boring nowadays.


The christians have been hammered and debunked so hard that they only give one line responses and then run away. Only few have the balls to debate nowadays

MyJoe: @Ijawkid

Thank you for your interesting post. But allow me.

For the avoidance of doubt on your part or that of anyone who is reading, I did not agree that Satan rules anything. And I don't want Witnesses or anyone to presumtiously fight any war for their country or any side.

But thanks again and have a good night.

Cogent: ^^^Ok, I've heard you.
@ijawkid, please don't forget the explanation.

Fr0sbel: The only true nation under God is that group of people, which I have been describing, who are followers of Jesus Christ, the one who was sent by the Father to redeem our wicked souls. Jew and Gentile alike are part of this one nation under God which is described below:

“But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.” (1 Peter 2:9-10)

The gospel message has not changed one drop since the time of Jesus Christ, and that message is exactly the same for the Jewish person as it is for the Gentile person. The Bible tells us that there is a spiritual veil that remains upon the mind of a person (Jew or Gentile) which will not be removed UNTIL they turn to the Lord. The verse below is speaking about the Jewish person who reads their Torah but fails to recognize the Lord Jesus as their Messiah:

“But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.” (2 Corinthians 3:14-16)

This spiritual veil that remains upon the mind of a person can only be removed when that individual, Jewish or Gentile, repents and believes the gospel of Jesus Christ. That is the message that Jesus told His followers to preach around the world, starting at Jerusalem, after He rose from the dead. (Luke 24:47). That message has never changed and it will not be altered for anyone. Paul the Jewish follower of Jesus the Christ (Messiah) said this:

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.” (Romans 1:16)

Do you see that? The gospel is the power of God unto salvation for both Jew and Gentile. It is the same gospel for all! The apostle Paul was arrested and put in chains for preaching the hope of Israel, who is Jesus Christ. (Acts 28:20) The apostle Paul preached the grace of God and he preached the kingdom of God, which is the very same thing. Do not be fooled by those who twist the scriptures and try to tell you that they mean different things. Listen to Paul here:

“But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God. And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.” (Acts 20:24-25)

In the space of just two verses Paul declared that he testified the “gospel of the grace of God” and also that he had gone “preaching the kingdom of God”. Paul was preaching his heart out wherever he went, and he was constantly under the threat of death from the Jewish people who refused to believe that Jesus Christ was the Messiah.

Who Are God’s Chosen People?

Who are God’s chosen people? They are simply those who have put their faith in Jesus Christ, and that includes both Jew and Gentile.

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Galatians 3:26-29)


Please do not miss what is being said here. Who are the children of God according to this passage of scripture? The answer is those who have faith in Christ (Messiah) Jesus. Does it make a difference whether a person is a Jew or Greek (Gentile)? Male or Female? No. The scriptures tell us that if a person belongs to Christ then they are Abrahams seed, which basically means that they are the true spiritual descendants of Abraham.

http://soulrefuge.org/

MyJoe: Thank you, Ijawkid, for your contribution to the discussion.


Thank you. At least, you are not accusing me of hearsay and whatnot.


Yes, but what about those who are not Ogboni men or freemasons? Don’t you think we cannot use the fact some politicians engage in cultism to generalise to all others, just as we cannot use the actions of some JW who do bad things to say all of them are hypocrites?


Oh, well.


What about Christians not in 9ja? I mean, if the present negativities that you associate with Nigerian politics were removed, would you okay politics?



So what about politicians fighting against gay marriage? You cool with them?


Don’t you think Obama’s universal health care plan was good since it brought health care to people that would otherwise not have been covered? In my opinion, it is. Yet, Olaadegbu dismissed that as Socialism some years back when he started his campaign against Obama’s second term on Nairaland. If you examine the life of anyone, I am sure you will find both things you agree with and things you don’t. It is called reality.


I have considered them, but I haven’t come to the same conclusion. But everything you have said above and my responses to them is not the issue. I am not a member of any political party, so obviously I am not advocating for everyone to join politics. I am not saying that politics is good or bad. If you decide not to register or vote in an election and the government decided to persecute you for that, I would stand up and defend your fundamental rights to take that stance. I have had course to argue this point somewhere. What I have spoken against in this thread is when a group dictates to its members that they should not exercise their civic rights. I believe this is neither compatible with reason nor the Bible. And since the Bible does not clearly forbid Christians from political participation, it comes down to the personal views of the leaders of your church and nothing more. That is my argument.


We will, since everyone in the world are not Christians. If everyone in the world were JW, there probably won’t be any wars or nationalism. But, then, everyone in the world is not JW and we have to live in the world as it is. Reality.


I am not about whose religion is better. I will leave that to you guys.


I’m not sure about this. Expatiate.


I don’t believe that when people, Christians or not, do bad they bring any opprobrium on God. But your view on that matter is your view.


No, not necessarily. I think the actions of your brothers in refusing to help Hitler prosecute his satanic war was commendable. I believe people should stand up for what is right and if I ever face the situation they did, I hope I will have the courage to do what they did. However, you have to refer back to my analogy about the man whose family was attacked by a knife-wielding man. Your brothers in France or the UK who refused to fight to defend the community against Hitler in that war did not do anything commendable in my opinion. There was nothing [i]right [/i]in what they did - most thinking humans would agree. I doubt if Jesus’ mother and siblings were attacked by a knife wielding man he would have sneaked out of the house to preach on Mount Olives, as Witnesses are wont to go out preaching during such calamities. Since one war differs from another, my point is that people should be free to weigh the subtleties, make the distinctions and decide for themselves individually whether to join the effort or not.

OLAADEGBU: His Son's Name
July 27, 2012

"Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his Son's name, if thou canst tell" (Proverbs 30:4).

The obvious answer to these rhetorical questions must centre in God, the Creator of all things. But the fascinating revelation in this Old Testament passage is that God has a Son and that both have names.

When Moses asked God His name, "God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM . . . This is my name for ever" (Exodus 3:14-15). Later, Moses, in his song of deliverance said: "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name" (Exodus 15:3). The name Lord (Hebrew Jehovah or Yahweh) means, essentially, "I am, the self-existent one."

As far as His Son's name is concerned, it is revealed in Scripture in many ways. In the Old Testament prophecy, "His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6). How remarkable that a "Son is given" who is also named the mighty God and everlasting Father!

In His incarnation, the angel commanded Joseph, "Thou shalt call his name JESUS" ("Jehovah saves" ), but he also said, "They shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us" (Matthew 1:21, 23).

There are many other titles by which the Son of God is identified, but perhaps the most significant are noted in connection with His final return in triumph. "His name is called The Word of God" (Revelation 19:13), identifying Him as both eternal Creator and incarnate Saviour (John 1:1-3, 14). As our eternal King, "he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS" (Revelation 19:16). HMM

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Ptolomeus: But ... dear friend ...
God has been thousands of years trying to beat plunger elements, unable to get that ... Believe me ... I wish fervently God's triumph over evil, but right now Satan is winning.
Satanic Pastors have won the House of God ... tithe, lie, and do so in the name of God ...

Ptolomeus: Dear friend:
This shows clearly that churches and pastors are constantly lying to a single purpose: profit.
They change the biblical messages, they are taken out of context. Nothing ... not even care about the sacred word of God ...
Faced with so many lies, it's time to seriously ask if they panoply of God or Satan.
I personally think that the churches are run by demons and slaves of Satan ... and Satan is winning the war.

Area_boy: How do you know that?.. Psalms 90: 4 "For a thousand yeeres in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past: and as a watch in the night."

2 Peter 3:8 , "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

How do either of these verse give you a definitive proof that 1day for god = 1000years for us? Na wa oh! these church ppl no go kill me


You are right though, the end must come but I'm pretty sure it wont be like anything the bible tells us.

Cogent: Are you sure? Why does your bible say nothing about those that are not in their senses instead of leaving you to guess?
And as for the bolded part; Oh please. I can bring verses out of the bible that puts that your statement into question.
For instance in 2Samuel 12:11 to 14, the bible says that God punished David by causing his wives to be raped in public by his neighbours because he/David coveted another mans wife.
Another verse in Exodus talks about how God will visit the iniquity of the fathers upon their unborn children uptill the fourth generation. Can you beat that? Punishing unborn generations for something the father did.
There is also the eternal punishment in hell you fellas usually predict for non-Christians. How can a person who lived for instance, 80 or 90 years, be punished for eternity simply for failing to be a Christian? How is that justice? If your God can do these things then what makes you think he cannot punish insane people for their crimes?

tomakint: I throw it open so that people can air their views. Its a hotly debated topic and I believe someone out there can shed more light already you know where I stand on this, what is your own take. Christ referenced and respected GOD as his father, God is the creator He achieved this through Christ as explained in John 1: 1-2, Colosians 2. I mean let's learn not an argumentative thing

Logicbwoy: Email or yahoo chat?

Logicbwoy: lol......but God doesnt exist.


Ijawkid, should I make a thread where you and I can discuss yor belief in God?

Cogent: Where did you ask that question before?
If you didn't know what depression is you should have checked instead of asking me for lessons.
Both depression and madness are psychiatric disorders/mental illnesses. What next?

Logicbwoy: Then why do you claim the end is near? God could end the world in year 5012.


Just shut up

tomakint: I don't seems to get it why this doctrine has generated so much confusion even in Christendom! My take has always been God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are three distinct (separate) Supernatural Beings United in Agreement of purpose, vision, spirit and the likes and not what I hear around that they are actually three entity in one unified body all in the name of - its a MYSTERY! when the BIBLE clearly states the supremacy of God the Father over and above all as attested to by our LORD JESUS CHRIST! Please what is your take on this?

Logicbwoy: Who is talking about the film? I am talking about you and your fellow christians' failed doomsday theories

toba: ignorance is not an excuse. IF i resigned my appointment cos im having issues with my boss or cos a misunderstanding at work, then i should take responsibility for being overzealous. A case of an insane person is different from that of a frustrated fellow

Cogent: I didn't say he was depressed. I said it is possible he suffered from it. And please avail yourself of the internet to know updates about the case. Sorry, but I can't come back to do that.

Logicbwoy: Lmao.......you have nothing to say.

Logicbwoy: People like you would be sectioned in developed societies. We have been hearing that the end is near for over 2000 years from your type. Shut up.

When the stock markets crashed in the 80's, azzholes like you claimed that the end of the world is near

When the millenium (2000) was approaching, people like you were claiming the end of the world in 98 and 99.

Iraq war came after and we were hearing imminent world war and end of the world.


Then the movie 2012 came and everybody said that the world will end in 12/12/12!



Shut the feck up.

buzugee: BABYLONIAN
PERSIA AND MEDES
GREEK
ROMAN
ROMAN OFFSHOOT ALSO KNOWN AS AMERICA
CHRIST KINGDOM ( DANIEL 2 VS 44 ) ( DANIEL 7 VS 18 )





6 KINGDOMS WILL BE ON EARTH. WE ARE IN THE FIFTH KINGDOM. THE SIXTH KINGDOM IS CHRISTS KINGDOM ON EARTH. ARE YOU READY TO BE A HOST OF CHRISTS KINGDOM ?

buzugee: their is no such thing as THE END OF TIMES. it is metaphorical. the world is never ending. the world is here to stay forever. ( ecclesiastes 1 vs 4 ). when scripture says end of times, it simply means, end of the gentile era on earth. the earth has been given to the wicked gentiles ( job 9 vs 24 ) for a certain period of time so that they would plunge it into darkness and hell ( revelation 6 vs 4 ). a refining chamber, if you will. the purpose of this is to refine men and get them ready for the lords kingdom on earth that will come after this gentile era ( daniel 2 vs 44 ). the end of this torture chamber is the end of times. not the end of the world as we know it. the world aint ending. it is here to stay forever.

buzugee: ea7 dont need repentance. he needs an exorcism

Logicbwoy: The woman called the atheist the devil.


Jeez, you're even becoming more s.tupid.