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obadiah777: BROTHER IJAWKID WETIN YOU CHOP REMAIN SIRE ? YOU ARE AS SCARCE AS A TWO DOLLAR NOTE. WHATS GOOD ?

obadiah777: I FIGURED HIM OUT FROM THE START. WENT THROUGH HIS POST. I THINK HE IS A MOSLEM. HE WORSHIPPING THAT BLACK METEORITE ROCK IN MECCA

benalvino: You didn't answer anything. Not a single thing.

benalvino: And I never said he is not. What am saying is firstborn means different thing in different context or scenario. Just like how the bible have different meaning for flesh

Itsfacts: Abeg try answer the ones on your table first

benalvino: Frosbel... You showing so much ignorance here. If Mary born Jesus and that makes him the first born as a result of that... Which time machine you borrow am make him use travel go back in time vo create everything for heaven and earth? Jesus was a man... The bible says God manifest in flesh... By your logic you are saying a man created everything in heaven and earth? Guy think before you post. You cannot understand God as the bible says... I know you are trying

Itsfacts: Gbam. Yes was God created? So your question has been flushed in the toilet

benalvino: Ijawtubo :p I would say yes he is above God if you are the one that created god. unfortunately God is not created... The bible simple said firstborn of all creation. You got no case just answer the question.

benalvino: Psalms 89:27

And I will appoint him to be my firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth. You are the one who have to answer. All the question we asked you all you did was ask other question to run from it go back and answer why is Israel God firstborn David and few others. Try answer all those questions pls do not reply with questions reply with answers

Itsfacts: Dude your questions has been answered many times over and over but you failed to address the points he made how many firstborn does God have? Did God created David before he created the earth? The Jesus create him self? If he is created how can he create all things? Why is other in your bible? Why did they forget to add other in John 1:3 there are so many question but answer this ones and you will understand what firstborn means in that context.

benalvino: I have already told you stop acting like I haven't. You need to tell me how many firstborn God have. You dont have to sit back I have told you and you can't sit back and wash. You should tell me why other added to your bible.

Itsfacts: No what we want to know is how many firstborn does God have? If you answer that you might know the meaning of the term. Once again alvino is right

Itsfacts: From what alvino is saying firstborn have different meaning like flesh in bible. Context is the key. Jesus cannot be born twice.

benalvino: She meant her firstborn and that is simple.

benalvino: David was not pierced am saying some of the people who Pearce him dont have son and since it wasn't God morning what is your point like mentioned earlier it is a description. And firstborn means pre-eminent.

benalvino: your point to itsfacts is not valid... David was the last born in his family yet he was called the firstborn so are you saying you will link the mourn thing to David too?

Itsfacts: So what is your point. Am saying it is a description on how they will mourn how can you not grasp that simple thing? If I mourn for my last born like the way one will mourn for his firstborn does it make him my first born? Remove the tin foil hat dude

Itsfacts: Then am asking you is Jesus their first born? How do you know if some of them have children? And how do you link that statement to firstborn in terms of first born of all creation. The bible say they meaning the people and it didn't say Yahweh. You just they do olivertwist here. I go call you dbanj

Debroslink: I believe you know English very well. John was simply reporting what he read in the Scriptures. Do u expect him to use "ME" instead of "HIM" that is Jesus.
God said "they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced.
Pls, stop quoting all these 20th century versions. They are contaminated. Any bible versions that can't quote 1John 5:7 in full, is from the pit of hell.

Itsfacts: So what you are saying is Jesus is their first born? Or it is a description of how they show mourn• I don't understand how you guys understand stuff. If I say he she talks like a man doesn't mean she is a man am describing simple.

benalvino: I know you never understood that verse ok let me make another explanation for you.

although the Bible documents that Mary became the mother of Jesus and clearly teaches that Jesus is God, it never states, or even implies, that Mary was (or is) the “Mother of God.” For a theological syllogism to explain correctly the relationship between Mary and God, it must be based on biblical truth. We can propose correctly that Jesus is God (1) God became flesh (John 1:1,14); (2) therefore, Mary is the mother of Jesus according to the flesh (Romans 9:5), i.e., Jesus’ physical body. Jesus as a man fully depend on his father and he had the holy spirit behind him... Also he has the curse which is the flesh so yes he was a man.

Debroslink: I base my quotation on the King James Version, not all these 20th century Bible versions. The scriptures simply said "they shall look upon ME whom they have pierced". My question still remains... who is this PIERCED Lord God?
If God is Yahweh, and Jesus is God, then Jesus is Yahweh.

Debroslink: The Lord God says "Look unto me and be saved oh Israel"... "and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced..." Zechariah 12: 10

My question to you is, who is this PIERCED Lord GOD?

Itsfacts: Dude I have seen how you react to presented facts of citation to backup claims you just find and excuse question and ask. You know our discussion on my post and how you run away from it. Now they make Romans fit the trinity lol why didn't they put the word trinity in the bible then? As matter of fact it is the new world translation that tries to twist the bible to fit watchtower doctrine like benalvino earlier mentioned!!!

benalvino: Where is your proof that it was mistranslated? When you see clear fact you assume it was mistranslated. I can compare all bible and new world translation and ask you to decide which one is engineered to suit doctrines... I gave a comprehensive explaination I know your stance is final I can't convince you and that is not why am discussing am just doing it cause I like discussing things and also express what I believe. If U can explain Micah for me am will be glad... The question is did Jesus ever call Mary mother? If U call your mother woman how will she feel? Mary is not eternal she existed just yesterday how can she be a mother of a God who created her... Even if you understand my explanation you will most likely act like you dont. Bible teach The Father created everything it teach Jesus created everything it teach the holy spirit created everything... It teach Jesus raise him self up from dead teach the father did teach the holy spirit did. There cannot be 2 alpha and omega... Jesus is our eternal father ERTERNAL FATHER

benalvino: you guys can't seem to grasp anything... Jesus exist before Mary he created her he is eternal he is alpha and omega... And at the right time he became flesh he was God before the incarnation... So how can Mary be the mother of God?

Ok I start in another way The Son’s existence did not begin with His conception in Mary’s womb. He was alive in eternity (cf. Micah 5:2), and, at the right time in history, He became flesh (John 1:1,14). Paul put it this way: “But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law” (Galatians 4:4). On the other hand, Mary came into a time-bound world long after the creation of the Universe. She, like all human beings, was not eternal. She was not divine, not “from everlasting to everlasting” (Micah 5:2). She could not have provided an eternal nature to her Son. He is Deity. He is the “eternally blessed God” (Romans 9:5) how can U born a God that existed not only exist but created all things? Now U know why Jesus never even called her mother!!

benalvino: in addition to my earlier reply... Consider how Jesus explained His divine nature. When addressing the Pharisees, He asked them: “‘What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?’ They said to Him, ‘The son of David.’ He said to them, ‘How then does David in the Spirit call Him ‘Lord’.... If David then calls Him ‘Lord,’ how is He his Son?’” (Matthew 22:42-45). The Pharisees failed to answer the question correctly because they were thinking about the physical nature of the Messiah. While Christ was a physical descendant of David (cf. Luke 1:32; Matthew 1:1), according to His divine nature He did not have a physical father, since He Himself is before all (John 8:58). In the same way that David could not be the father of the divine Messiah since he called Him “Lord,” Mary cannot be the “Mother of God” since she calls Him “Lord” in Luke 1:38,46-47. The truth is, as Paul explains, “according to the flesh, Christ came” through the patriarchs, David, and, yes, Mary, but according to His deity, He is the “eternally blessed God” who is over all (Romans 9:5).

Bidam: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.1 Corinthians 2:11.

very clear from scriptures spirit of God is the same as God is Spirit with a BIG "S"

spirit of man is the same as man is a spirit with a small "s".