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Bombblacks:
And this a relevant information how?

Football existed before merchandise and TV.

United fans are nobodies in the grand scheme of things. If you don’t watch, plenty of other people who don’t give a shit about United as a club would buy tickets just to watch Varane.

Bombblacks:
So who generates the rest revenue? Fans and spectators generate all the revenues. Who else generates the revenue?

You didn’t mention spectators - you said fans(United fans).

Stop moving the goalposts.

invinzible1:
Niselrooy

And he is my favorite United striker of all time.

My brain froze for few minutes.

Bombblacks:
I didn't tell you anything of true fans. I made it clear in the beginning fans(spectators) watching in the stadium and on tv plus buying the club merchandise. Without those people what is football?

There was football before TV and club merchandise.

Bombblacks:
That's not an answer. I ask again If they generate all the revenue, what's their worth in football pyramid?

“If they” - hypothetical statement.

I have just told you they don’t generate all the revenue. There’s no point projecting on what is not happening.

If my aunt had testicles, she would be my uncle.

nitrogen:
You have come o, Alabi. So, if man Utd’s Twitter account gets deleted today, the share price will drop.

Nawa o.

Perhaps the club didn’t exist at all before Twitter.

You read some takes here and you automatically facepalm at the sheer display of low level IQ.

nitrogen:
Utd is a global brand. No one cares about some stadium fans that feel entitled. The pandemic showed the world that sports can survive without fans physically present.

Moreso, if there is a boycott by Utd fans, others will watch. Don’t forget that the teams you are playing against have their fans too. The business model will quickly change to capture the impact of boycotts by utd fans.

Finally, companies signing contracts with Utd are trying to get the world to see their products. They want to be a global brand, they want football fans (in general) to know their brands.

You guys are nothing!

God bless you.

Bombblacks:
What do you think I was referring to when I said fans?

The true fans who felt super entitled and had the audacity to disrupt a PL game - that’s the people you were referring to.

Bombblacks:
They generate all the revenue. Without fans that's zero revenue. If they generate all the revenue, what's their worth?

If they generate all the revenue and they are as super important as you put it, why haven’t they been successful to remove the Glazers since 2005?

If they decide to turn Old Trafford to a viewing centre or a National museum and disband the team, there’s nothing you can do.

Bombblacks:
As long as they are watching on tv and are in the stadium they are spectators (fans). So that means they generate all the revenue. If they generate all the revenue, what are the fans worth?

If that’s your definition of football fans then I am sorry for you.

Bombblacks:
They generate all the revenue. Without fans that's zero revenue. If they generate all the revenue, what's their worth?

They don’t even generate all the revenue. You are mistaken if you think that way. 70% of the fans at Old Trafford are mere tourists. The average fan has been priced out with the increase in match tickets over the years.

This is why all the planned anti-Glazer boycotts don’t work. Arsenal fans also planned plenty WengerOut boycotts that never worked.

There’s also a section of people who come to the stadium just to watch their favorite players. If the said player moves to another club, they would dump Old Trafford and pay tickets to watch the player in another club.

patrickmuf:
This season no go easy...See men from both camps fully on ground waiting for the start of the season...

I remain a member of the Ole out brigade and I'll stand by my members to drag Ole if he continues his choke job...

Scenes when Ole is languishing in 9th position by Christmas.

Sniper4real:
Raphaël Varane is set to become the ninth player to play for both Manchester United and Real Madrid �⚪️


_Can you name the other 8?_

Ronaldo
Heinze
Di Maria
Hernandez(Chicharito)
Owen

Beckham

My brain has frozen.

Bombblacks:
You haven't provided an answer. So I ask again what is football without fans watching and buying their mechandise?

I didn’t actually say football can survive without the fans. I said the fans overrate themselves - they see themselves more important than what they are actually worth.

The bottom feeders in a food chain are also important but not as important as the levels above them. In the football pyramid, the fans are the least important. You are just consumers at the end of the day.

If you don’t go to Old Trafford, other people will. If all the Manchester United fans residing in Manchester boycott United games, neutrals from other parts of the world would attend the games and watch.

It’s a global business now. So you and your boycotts are irrelevant.

Bombblacks:
That's why I have been asking the same question and he was beating around the Bush
There is basically no revenue without fans. Tv deals, Kits and merchandise, stadium revenue etc Imagine the audacity for one to think fans don't own football and are overrated.

So the fans get nothing in return with all the money they put into football?

It’s just donation as far as they are concerned?

You people are jokers.

Bombblacks:
I didn't tell you about stadium only. I said what is football without fans watching and buying their clubs merchandise?

How did football survive for decades before 1975 when Leeds became the first club to sell football shirts in the form of replicas to their fans?

Stop overrating yourself.

Bombblacks:
You are still not answering the question. Without fans watching football ( stadium or tv) or buying merchandise what is football?

There were virtually no fans in the stadium during the pandemic and the owners still thrived.

Fans are overrated. Make Una dey calm down.

raumdeuter:
How much do you think Man utd make, and how much of these come from these section of fans. You are supporting a global team, the more they go global, have global ambitions, the local fans impact reduce

Its now a business, All the players are there because of a fat paycheck and will leave if anyone offer them more money. If you want the connection, you will be supporting FC United of Manchester who play all local youths

Alaba who grew up in Bayern academy is now wearing and kissing Madrid badge, where is the connection?

If I stop supporting Bayern today, minus the $200 jersey I buy a year what will a Billion Dollar brand miss?

Fans that are as fickle as fück. The most entitled set of people you would ever come across.

For instance look at the section of United fans that disrupted a match last season shouting “Glazers Out” - as if it’s realistic to remove the owners of a club via riots.

Ask the average fan to choose between his club doing community outreach versus his team losing, he would say fück the community, give me a trophy.

Ask the average fan to choose between having a foreign owner whose source of money is questionable but he can bring in Ronaldo, Messi, etc versus a local businessman who can only bring in a striker from Oldham Athletic and every fan would choose the corrupt foreign owner.

Bombblacks:
You didn't answer my question. What is football without the fans watching them or buying their merchandise?

There wouldn’t even be a stadium to go to if there are no club owners.

Bombblacks:
Do you have a connection to your club? What is football with people paying to watch them and buying their merchandise?

They are just consumers.

Football provides entertainment and you pay to watch the entertainment. Just like you paying to watch an opera. It’s a transactional business. This is why most club owners don’t rate football fans.

You(as a fan) do not have the rights to decide how the opera must play to your taste or complain that the soprano of one of the members of an opera isn’t strong enough. Those are some of the entitlements football fans get to enjoy.

Imagine someone as daft as QueenAlabi sitting in the stands bellowing match tips at world class athletes. “Come on KDB, cross it! Yeah yeah, make the run, drop back”.

The audacity!

Bombblacks:
That's because you have no connection to the club your support.

What silly connection?

You people overrate yourselves.

You are a mere phytoplankton of the footballing food chain.

raumdeuter:
Its similar to what Bayern Ultra did to Neuer in 2011, Koan Neuer signs all over the place and when he signed for Bayern they gave him the commandment below. It was until Ulli threatened to take out their stand and replace them with high paying corporate seats

1) Neuer must never simulate or initiate the team's megaphone chants.

2) Neuer must not kneel before the team and sing the 'Humba' song.

3) Neuer is prohibited from approaching the South Stand fence.

4) Neuer should not throw his shirt into the South Stand.

5) Neuer may not kiss the Bavarian crest

Football fans rub me the wrong way.

The average football fan is one of the most deluded and over-sentimentalised creatures in modern life. Our judgement is utterly flawed and we often overrate ourselves in the grand scheme of things.

Imagine football fans issuing Fatwa on a player that has chosen to come play for them. A whole Neuer for that matter. The audacity is hilarious. After winning virtually everything, has their stance on Neuer changed over the years? Do they see him as a hero now or they still think he’s shït?

melodyogonna:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN-8hyZxdyg
Where we go see CM wey dey knock ball like this?
Midfielders like this guy, Iniesta, Scholes, Xavi, Pirlo, etc are the kind of midfielders I love watching. Players that oozes confidence, control, and calmness. When they get the ball you immediately see they've got technique. Pogba too plays this way but you can't just shrug off this feeling that he is kind of lethargic on the ball, if he is just a tad bit faster ... and shorter, nobody can touch him in midfield.

Pogba does this every time he plays for France. At United, nobody really makes intelligent runs apart from Rashford who can also be erratic with his runs.

Martial wants ball to feet - one of the laziest forwards in the history of the game. Daniel James has no directional sense and he’s also erratic at controlling the ball.

With France, Griezmann, Mbappe and Benzema made perfect runs and Pogba was finding them with ease. He had the most through passes in the Euros despite getting kicked out in the round of 16.

Pogba is the best midfielder on the planet - he can do everything and that sometimes work against him. When Man City or United concede goals, nobody every blames KDB or Bruno but someway somehow Pogba gets blamed.

Pogba is the only midfielder expected to defend, score, assist, and basically do everything in the midfield. When he doesn’t score, KDB/Bruno is better than him. When his team concedes, he’s automatically compared to Kante. One player gets compared to AMs, CMs and CDMs at the same time.

It’s insane!

Expert17:
Pogboom Pogboom Pogbooom

PSG fans rejecting a world class player



Pogba, you should listen to your mother. She doesn't want you here, neither do we.

It’s a club rivalry thing. Pogba had made some nasty comments about PSG in the past. It’s got nothing to do with skills.

Gueye, Herrera and many other bums are playing for PSG, so why wouldn’t they want Pogba if it’s about football skill?

This is the back story…..

patrickmuf:
Lamptey will see AWB forgotten entirely although his explosive style of play leaves him open to injuries...

I like that explosive style - he reminds me of Rafael when he first arrived and everyone quickly forgot about Gary Neville.

patrickmuf:
No doubt about his signing, he is levels above Lindelof however, I hope Ole doesn't have favs as usual, all of them should battle for their place in the team...

If Lindelof steps up, then any of them that slacks should be benched...Let everyone fight to keep his place in the team.

I don’t think Lindelof can do better than what he’s offered so far. His ceiling isn’t very high. However, it’s better to have options like we do in case any of them has a long term injury.

I heard Woodward is after Trippier. I don’t understand that signing at all. If someone should be signed to improve Wan Bissaka like Telles improved Shaw, it should be that boy in Brighton(Tariq Lamptey).

patrickmuf:
Arsenal fans are using this line to comeback against Man Utd fans and other rivals on Twitter...

In the long run, we will prolly spend more or thereabout...

It’s still an excellent signing. His wages shouldn’t matter.

Varane has won 18 club competitions, he’s won more CL titles than United and Arsenal put together. I don’t have any problem at all with his signing. He’s better than Maguire/Lindelof.

Oasis007:
So Ndidi is all you seek right?!

Ndidi(first choice)

Camara(Salzburg)
Camavinga(Celta Vigo)
Doucoure(Lens)

Oasis007:
I prefer Camavinga though. He's young and more mobile than Ndidi.

His numbers are better going forward. One would be getting less than half of his amazing talents by asking him to sit in the DM position.

I want a stationary pillar in the DM. We already have two creative midfielders in Pogba and Bruno. Putting Camavinga there to join them is an overkill. Who would defend if we lose the ball?

Oasis007:
Ndidi

He’s the best and the most elite fit for this role.

Camavinga is also decent but he has more to give going forward than restricting him to the role of a water carrier.

I also like the look of Renato Tapia of Celta Vigo. The Peruvian even gets busier than Ndidi in snapping at the ankles of any intruder in his zone. He’s like prime Makelele. He misses nothing in his area.

Oasis007:


A new solid CDM.

If we couldn't get any, Matic should be managed and assisted by McTominay. Fred deputising for Pogba, while VDB/Mata deputising for Bruno.

United just need an elite DM that can intercept and loves to defend. He doesn’t even need to know how to carry the ball forward.

Tackle/intercept > Win the ball > Pass it 5-10 yards to Pogba or Bruno.

Oasis007:
Raphaël Varane will cost Manchester United £34m plus add-ons and will sign a four-year contract plus the option of an extra year.

- David Ornstein



.........Yet Arsenal pay £50m for Barry White.

Varane will be on £400k/week at United though.

Oasis007:
With Signing of Varane, OGS has no reason to play McFred again. I will be mad at Ed, if Jones is not sold or released.

Who should he play in the midfield?