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raumdeuter:
Doing this(waiting for the last minute) unsettles the shooter unlike if you just jump like a frog hoping to get lucky

I remember Cristiano also pausing doing his run up against Cech in Moscow. Cech didn’t move an inch. By the time Ronaldo kicked the ball, he had lost momentum and the shot was a bit weak, Cech smartly saved it.

Another kicker with that technique is once the goalie doesn’t do what the shooter expects from him, the shooter becomes lost or confused and he’s more likely to miss his shot. I have seen this happen more than 100 times.

TheLequte:
Yes, actually. Dive left or right. You just have to wait until he picks his spot before you dive, and Fernandes will prefer you pick a spot and wait till the last moment for you to do so before he kicks it in the other direction.

And when you’re diving, note that when he kicks it to the right the ball hardly leaves the ground and it’s a little bit in the air when in the other direction.

So, just dive left or right and you may be lucky, you just shouldn’t do it early enough.

Jorginho uses the same technique but his execution is way poorer

Jorginho has scored from 29 penalties, missed 4.
Fernandes has scored from 41 penalties, missed 3.

It’s clear as daylight that Bruno is deadlier at taking penalties.


It would be interesting to see Bruno’s hopping technique versus Donnarumma’s waiting game.

Expert17:
He can, but might miss just like Rashford.

Players are aware of the planted foot rule, so they use it sometimes to deceive goalkeepers.

True.

That is why I recommend following the note, any change of style/run-up/placement from the player might result in him missing.

The note is a guess. It’s highly unreliable.
Donnarumma has saved 13 penalties in Serie A out of 32 he has faced. He’s not saving them because of coach note. He saves them by waiting until the very last second before making his move.

If he’s relying on coach note, he would be diving way before the kick. Rashford kept his eye on him in the run up to see if he would make his move early. Donnarumma waited and waited and waited for Rashford to make his move first.

Expert17:
Illimitable,

Planted foot rule in the mud.

How so?

Planted foot
Hip swing

You can’t go wrong with those two indicators.

raumdeuter:
See what Pirlo said here

https://j.gifs.com/16WE9m.gif
and what he did to Joke Hart

https://j.gifs.com/BrNOnY.gif

So Pirlo changed his mind as he ran up to the ball? Another knife stab to GK coach note.

raumdeuter:
From those two frames Sancho planted his foot and shot to that side, Saka planted his foot and shot across the body

Saka is left footed. He ran from the right to approach the ball. His run up gave his intention away.

Expert17:
Just Saka, Sancho can still play to the other side.

He couldn’t - look at the direction of his planted foot. You can try it at home. The direction you pick would be revealed by your planted foot.

Expert17:
He did the same to Rashford but was tricked.

That was why Rashford missed. If you try to cheat nature by going the direction of the planted foot, you would lose shot power and accuracy. It’s a very difficult skill to attempt. You could even kick your own foot and slip like John Terry in 2008 CL final.

Expert17:
@bolded......E sure for you oo

Waiting and following the kick is fvcking hard.

That was what Donnarumma did to Sancho and Saka.

He waited for the planted foot before the kick and was able to see the direction of the hip/planted foot. He saved them with class.

raumdeuter:
I was actually thinking about one of our Nations cup exit on penalties and how Enyeama was missing all the kicks and guessing the wrong way, He got lucky with this and became a philosopher, I will find that video clip for you. 6 penalties Enyeama was sold for 5 of them. It was only the last one that he followed the kick.

Below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMZQpiYmnRA

Enyeama the philosopher - he couldn’t save any one of the penalties. The last kick was the funniest, Enyeama left his line and tiptoed forward and still failed to narrow the angle.

Expert17:
Guys, this is easy.

Just like you stated, nothing is certain.

We work with what we have, STATISTICS

For example: If Kane plays 50 % of his penalties to the left, 15 % to the right, and 35 % straight down the middle.

With this, we would surely dive to the left

That is the moment Kane would think I need to get my percentage of shots to the right up and sell you to Cotonou.

Karleb:
Since you asked. https://www.thecable.ng/enyeama-explains-bifouma-penalty-save/amp


'It takes a player with big balls to change the direction where he normally plays his penalty kicks, especially under pressure"



"When a player is under pressure like that, with their team a goal down, the crowd behind them and needing to score, he tends to go for his comfort zone, which is his best spot."

Hahahahahahaha - This is so untrue.

raumdeuter:
When you are trying to sell the keeper bad and leave him no chance, the chance is that you want to pick an extreme side and that opens the window of missing or hitting the post. If it enters nothing you can do

Good point with the Fernandes penalties. I also checked other players too and none has a specific way of shooting or angle, If they do, then they are fools and anyone will stop their penalty

Below is Ramos'

Expert17, so what will your GK coach note say here?

As for taking penalties, I don’t think players should be too cute or overthink it. If they pick a spot and take a fierce shot, the possibility of a goalkeeper saving it even if he dives in the right direction is very slim. The ball would have breezed into the net before he makes a dive.

Rashidi Yekini has the best technique for penalties as far as I am concerned. All those hopping techniques of Bruno Fernandes and Jorginho would soon be found out. Pickford humiliated Jorginho in that shootout and that could have cost Italy the win.

Expert17:
This one no follow, Jorginho and Fernandes style is different.

You wait for them to play before diving.

You are just waffling at this point. No GK coach note can ascertain where a taker would put the ball.

Bukayo Saka has never taken penalty for Arsenal or England. So what did Donnarumma’s coach note say?

Football isn’t exactly science. Penalty takers put the ball left, right, middle, top bins, etc. It’s as the spirit leads.

Expert17:
10 great penalties?

Watch it again.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kC_oYKL8zg



Pickford would have saved at least 3 penalties.

Unai Simon benched the flop at EUROs



Watch where those players play their penalties when it mattered most.

So why didn’t Unai Simon save any of the penalties taken by United’s outfield players?

He didn’t read his GK’s coach note?

raumdeuter:
expert17 and illimitable

Watch these penalties again, without the guess dive Pickford will save Bernardeschi, Also most of the Jorginho penalties would be saved because with that stutter step, he cannot gather enough power in the shot like Maguire so his penalties will be weak and he has to place it at a corner to have a chance


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79pPIRbaR8A

On Rashford’s missed penalty……
In the screenshot below, taken right before impact with the ball, you can see that Rashford’s planted foot (his left foot) and his hips are pointed to the right side of the goal.

Normally the goalkeeper tries to wait for the plant foot to hit the ground before making their own move, because the striker’s planted foot and hips generally dictate the direction of the shot. This is one of the clues that can help turn the odds in the goalkeeper’s favour to make a save.

And while each player has different signs as to the direction of their kick as they approach the ball, the indications here were quite strong that Rashford would be shooting to the right side of the goal.

It wasn’t until the final moment when Rashford tried to whip his hips around to pull the ball across his body and into the bottom left corner. The difficulty level for this technique is 10 out of 10.

Donnarumma got sold completely.

raumdeuter:
I wanted to raise a point about those penalties. Most top players dont have a specific way of playing penalties. for example, Most of us have seen Ronaldo take penalties, Can you tell his favourite way?

Its always better IMO to follow the ball. Look at Martinez vs Colombia even Donnaruma it was only Rashford that sold him

If you follow the ball, Only a well taken hard shot can really be guaranteed to score, Follow the ball and you are almost guaranteed to catch any panenka, any slow shot, any shot 6ft to each side of you, Basically if you are not blasting your shot or picking extreme angle you are not scoring. Picking extreme angles can also end up like Rashfords
That type of Magure penalty where nothing you do even if you stay in that corner you wont catch it

Rashford overcooked his penalty - he was so unlucky to have missed it. What he did to Donnarumma was filthy. The hip deception was heavenly.

You are absolutely spot on with top players not having a constant method of taking their penalties. They change it cos they have a variety of options in their ammo to take one.

This is Fernandes’ shot map on penalties. What will a GK coach note say about this? Dive left or right?

Expert17:
So Villareal played 10 great PKs ?

10 excellent penalties. Go and watch them again. Even their GK’s pen is better than anything Italy offered in the final. They were hooking it in the top bins.

Expert17:
He saved 2, which would have bn enough to win the Europa League.

Different opponents, different stakes.
Pickford wouldn’t have saved any in Europa final and United would have certainly lost the 2nd leg against Roma if Pickford or Henderson was in goal.

Expert17:
Statistically, out of 5 PKs, only 1 or 2 player(s) aim at top corners.

3 left to be saved.

In other words, the GK coach note is unreliable.

Mourinho has been managing for almost 20 years now. He was telling us the only player he knows that is consistent and trains every time to pick a particular spot in penalties is Harry Kane. He said others change their minds in the run up.

And when you look at the previous shots taken by penalty takers, you see their shots scattered all over the net. There has never been a penalty taker that concentrates on one spot. Therefore, even the GK coach note is a guess at best. It’s not set in stone.

Expert17:
Pickford followed the GK coach notes and saved 2 penalties.

DDG just fvcked up

cc Illimitable

Poorly taken penalties.

Why didn’t he save all the 5 penalties then?

Which GK coach note could save Maguire’s penalty?

Stop believing in this drivel about coach notes. 90% of players change their mind in the run up before kicking the ball. It all depends on the GK’s posture and mind games.

Obere4u:
Signed for PSG already

Oh wow. I must have missed that.

Get Emi Martinez then from Villa.

I am not buying the Dean Henderson hype at all. He’s going to ruin next season for United.

Oasis007:
Manchester United have been given permission to approach Raphaël Varane and discuss personal terms. Varane would be open to the move if an agreement can be reached between the two clubs. PSG are also in talks with Varane’s camp

- Sky

Donnarumma is a free agent. You would expect a club with ambition to be all over him by now - trying to work out a deal.

Varane is probably using United to get an improved wage package. I don’t see him coming to United.

patrickmuf:
Southgate and Ole are indeed poor, Chiellini and Bonucci are not the fastest of CBs around even when they were much younger talk less of now yet he stuck with Kane up front when he should have removed Mount, for Rashford with Kane playing as the AMF where his creativity will be better utilized and Rashford up front to use his pace to work on Bonucci and Chiellini thus creating space for Kane. Another smart change would have seen Trippier replace by Sancho and not Saka...Saka is not direct, he rather wants the ball played to feet where he looks to combine with those around him compared to Sancho who will run at his marker...

Southgate is as useless as Ole but he is likable and the media love him.

He was rewarded for failing at the last World Cup. He would probably be knighted by the Queen tomorrow for his shambolic in-game management in the final.

patrickmuf:
England have been lucky, I am happy they didn't win if not, an Ole fanboy who also supports Southgate would have been here calling out people for dropping their opinion of Southgate...

Immobile isn't fast, why play Walker as part of a back 3?

Walker and Shaw are more than good enough to handle Insigne and Chiesa, they're not poor defensively to warrant such a shake up. If they layed against France with Mbappe in attack, I'd understand...

You only have to watch Italy vs Spain to see how much that poor Spain team dominated the Italian midfield that looks so good against England tonight to know how much these English players are overrated. Imagine if they squared up against the Spaniards...

Ole and Southgate are twins separated at birth.

The same idiötic tactics Ole deployed in the Europa final was what Southgate did. Southgate waited too long to unleash his subs at normal time to wrestle the game away from Italy.

He waited until the last minute of the extra time phase to bring on Rashford and Sancho(saved them for the shootout). If he had unleashed the duo on the Italian defence that was tiring and carrying few yellow cards, England could have won in normal time.

odizeey:
Why Una just hate people progress in life?

Your own player o. God abeg.

Maguire should win the PL like Rio, Vidic, Evra, Neville Brothers, Da Silva Twins, Evra, O’Shea, etc have done.

I don’t give a shït about England. I support United and the club I support pay the wages of Maguire and Shaw.

Their loyalty and dedication should be Man Utd first and foremost before England. Shaw has been bragging about town that Mourinho bullied him and held him down.

Let him prove Mourinho wrong by winning trophies under a manager(Ole) that isn’t bullying him or shackling his talents.

It’s been 3 years under Ole now and Shaw has nothing to show for it. He won 3 trophies under the bully but he’s won a grand total of 0 trophies under the progressive, ultra attacking manager.

I am waiting.

Expert17:
@bolded..... monsters away from home is an understatement.

I want Maguire, Sancho, Shaw and Rashford to win

Let them win it at Man Utd. I hate when players cut corners to glory. If Maguire/Shaw had won the Euros, they would have been difficult to replace or sell.

Each time Maguire touch the ball in the PL, they would always attach European champion to his name. Who has time for such crap?

This is the best outcome for every football fan in the world.

odizeey:
If England loses, e no go funny.
E go be bad weak for me.

Our player needs trophy na. Abeg na God.

I want them to lose.

England fans have turned my entire community into Kandahar.

They are a bunch of unruly idiöts. This is why no country prays England qualifies for any international competition. Their fans are animals at home and monsters away from home.

nani667:
#OleOUT
#EndOLE
#OleMustGo
#EndOLECluelessness
#SackTheFraud
#KillTheBasterd
#KillTheBasterd
#KillTheBasterd
#KillTheBasterd

Thanks for keeping this agenda going.

elampiro:
I no get time to go check. But I know main man was away and we were winning

What did you win?

United’s last meaningful victory was Europa final in 2017 and Pogba scored in that game.

I don’t understand how you people can say you are winning without a trophy in 4 years.

The standards are on the floor.

Expert17:
Illimitable how far?

Enrique made the right call to bench Degea

Nope!

Match would have been won at normal time with De Gea.

De Gea would have saved the Shaqiri shot.

Expert17:
Lloris and Mbappe for??

Mbappe for missing his penalty and Lloris for not saving Switzerland spot-kicks I guess.

But but you defended Degea despite missing his spot-kick and failing to save 1 out of 10 played.

United shouldn’t be relying on De Gea’s spot kick to win a competition against Villarreal.

Mbappe is a striker - one of the hottest assets in the world whose main craft is shooting into the net.

De Gea is a goalkeeper. I don’t understand these comparisons.

If United have to rely on their goalkeeper’s kick to beat the 7th best team in Europe they don’t deserve to win the trophy.

It’s what it is.

elampiro:
But some of our best times have been without Pogba.

And when was that?

I mean which year.

Expert17:
How far with Iyarane and Kigbegbe?

I don’t blame you, I blame Mbappe and Lloris(soft mitts).

BARAJ92:
Really, France best player that shows while France was unable to progress. Pogba slow down game with in unnecessary holding on to the ball.

Unnecessary holding on to the ball? Where? How?

Pundits are applauding his passing range throughout the tournament but you blame Pogba for doing what he was supposed to be doing.

France couldn’t progress because Mbappe had a shit tournament. One of you guys alluded that Mbappe is 500 miles ahead of Haaland.

Pogba is too good to be playing for Man Utd. Some of the line breaking passes Pogba attempted in this tournament were as good as anything I have seen from Xavi or Iniesta. He was cutting defences apart with laser guided passes.

96forever:
Pogba is our only top player that starts for both club and country.

World Class.

He was France’s best player by a mile.