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kingxsamz:
Funny guy... I believe in facts not theories.
If a certain claim made by science is backed up with facts and concrete evidence then I'm okay with it.
That's what differentiates me with the so called creationists...
Science doesn't claim to know all, that's why research is being conducted in all aspects of life. While some group of people would sit down and read a 2000 year old book and conclude they know it all.
No point quoting me if you don't understand my point.

Anyone who claims to know it all would be omniscient, wouldn't he?

kingxsamz:
Ex Christian.
I don't practice any religion.

You were never a Christian, try to remember well.

HedwigesMaduro:
So, Lazarus was alive in the tomb when Jesus called him out too? Sorry, continue with your listening to your motivational speakers. Ain't my problem. I don't generally like discussing with kids.

Errrrrrm, how does Lazarus enter this one again rabbi? Don't tell me you deal with banned substance at times?

redsun:
Without them, you won't have this platform to agitate violence and physical abuse of a young woman by a father who is not as reasonable as a common ant.

Speak coherently. i cannot make sense of this.

Kosiso12:
Akpabio: "Most Of The Contracts In NDDC Are Awarded To National Assembly Members" – Sen. Akpabio

Chairman Of The Probe Committee : "Is ok Hon. Minister, Is ok, Is ok, Is ok Hon. Minister, Is ok, Don't talk again, off your mic"

Hahahahaha, he doesn't want Akpabio to rope all of them.

Chai, i cannot stop laughing. See as that chairman is shouting is okay is okay.

Akpabio want to koba everybody

redsun:
They are better because most of them don't need beating, the Quran or the bible to be rational and morally upright. They are better because they effortlessly adapt and fit into the shoes and agendas of the preceding generations. They are structured to carry the baton by being reasonable and tactical and not by being irrational and violent to vulnerable people

There is nothing macho or corrective about beating defenceless people, it is sheer foolishness and the height of mental instability.

They are no better. We have senseless, irresponsible and unreasonable people all over the world. It is not lack of spanking that makes one reasonable.

MuttleyLaff:
Confused dot com and in royal regalia. From reading the post above, it must be in vogue

i think so.

redsun:
Violence begets violence. There are better ways of correcting children that beating them. One may probably be gotten away with that ten or fifteen years ago, not now that those children are well connected to the world from the comfort or discomfort of their bedrooms and they are beginning to truly understand what makes the world tick.


They are 5G children for Bleep sake, even though Nigeria as a society has not gone past stone or bronze G mentally, and there is nothing anybody can do about it. Their way of thinking is complex and expressive beating and harassment can only hinder their mental development.

You've not proferred a better solution. The so called 5G children in 100G countries who have never been spanked are no better.

kingxsamz:
He was a theist.
Go and sulk somewhere else.

Ohhh, dear me. For a moment i thought you might be the one. When it talks about how humans evolved, the theory sounds as foolish as what an atheist would say.

kingxsamz:
Guess who came about the evolution theory.

My guess is you?

redsun:
That is why the country is full of mad and unreasonable people. They teach children from birth that violence is the best way of resolving issues and expect them to be rational when they are adults.

Even wild chimps don't beat their young ones to teach them lessons. Very few cannibalistic creatures do, including a foolish man.

There are mad and unreasonable people in every part of the planet. It is not the cane that made them all so. i know many mad, unreasonable and spoilt children who have been pampered all their lives. So that does not necessarily work too.

HedwigesMaduro:
So, what courageous action did he take before God intervened? And your rant just showed your lack of a backbone. Thought this sub was for adults.

i'm guessing that you just read that word "rant" on nairaland, you could not wait to use it. Ask God your question, He called Gideon a man of valour, not me. If you want to learn from me, go back to reread the long post i made. Maybe this time, something will enter.

kingxsamz:
Great discovery.
Science keeps making new discoveries.

I have noticed something on science related threads.
There are usually these set of unintelligent religious folks who have refused to grasp knowledge and tend to make silly, childish remarks. Why? Simply because the information contradicts their religious beliefs. So they refuse facts based on research and rely on books written by men who never knew how the world worked.
If this research had mentioned "50 million years", here are the kind of ignorant comments one would expect.
"How old is the world again"?
"How did they know this"?
"were they there? so how did they arrive at the age"?
"Science and lies".
"What is the benefit of this research"?
"These liars are always trying to discredit the bible".


You see, these comments come from people who are unintelligent, and have refused to do little research, simply because they don't want to feel the earth dates back to billions of years, which will prove that their beliefs are false.
They're always quick to discredit scientific discoveries like this because it doesn't suit their beliefs.
They'd rather lie to themselves than admit the truth.
If you're ignorant about how scientists come up with the age of an object, or how they arrive at certain conclusions, just a simple Google search would do. Information is power. Widen your horizon.

Just so you know: If you don't believe research which is based on evidence and facts, but believes that a virgin gave birth to a boy who walked on water and turned it into wine, only to die and resurrect three days later to ascend into the sky, then you're a compound fool .

You keep looking for ways to bring up your religion of atheism in everything. Nothing surprising to discover that the so-called Dr/photographer and the BBC interviewer that put this on the web may be religious people. Religious people are in every nook and cranny, every university, every research center, every hospital, every office. Your teachers, your bosses, your parents, your clients are all religious people. So stop fooling around, deceiving yourself that intelligence is mutually exclusive to religion.

How does the information given contradict any religious beliefs? What is the big deal about using a camera and a microscope that makes you think it somehow disproves the existence of God? What is the OP saying and what are you saying? You better don't end up your frustration with suicide. Just an advice with love.

HedwigesMaduro:
You keep confusing yourself. Does the last bit in Judges 6:27 show you someone mighty with valour. It should show you that God made him that, cos despite the fact that God asked him to do that he was still scared.

Just one more thing to say to you and your likes, i don't have time for rubbish.
Courage is not the absence of fear, if you have any idea what courage is asides watching film. Courage is taking needed action despite the feeling fear or no fear. God saw a man of courage and called him so, you are here wasting our time with zobo telling us you know better.

How can God be a Christian? A Christian is a follower of Christ. How can God be a follower of Christ?

God in three Persons, Blessed Trinity.

So OP, you don't know that fine song ba? You are just learning work oh.

HedwigesMaduro:
Judges 6:11 And there came an angel of the LORD, and sat under an oak which was in Ophrah, that pertained unto Joash the Abiezrite: and his son Gideon threshed wheat by the winepress, to hide it from the Midianites.

Did the above happen before or after the angel called him mighty man of valour? Does the last part of that verse show any valour?
Check Gideon's reply to that message for further clarification.

Kobojunkie:
yes it does. Read the story to learn how.

The two of you have said that the Bible is lying or unserious. Here is what the Bible clearly said.
Jdg 6:12 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valour.

Jdg 11:1 Now Jephthah the Gileadite was a mighty man of valour, and he was the son of an harlot: and Gilead begat Jephthah.

But you are telling us by some unknown esoteric knowledge that the Bible is saying
Jdg 6:12 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD is with thee, thou will be a mighty man of valour.

Jdg 11:1 Now Jephthah the Gileadite was to later become a mighty man of valour, and he was the son of an harlot: and Gilead begat Jephthah.

What you have done is to disbelieve the Word of God and worse still ADDED to the Word of God. i want to believe you are both aware of what the Bible says will happen to those that add or subtract from the Word of God. May God have mercy on you to repent, if your aim is not to win an aimless argument.

JEPHTHAH.
Jephthah was clearly a mighty man of valor, even the people around him knew it and called on him for help despite being a bastard. The Bible was very clear and straight to the point. Here it is again.

Jdg 11:1 Now Jephthah the Gileadite was a mighty man of valour, and he was the son of an harlot: and Gilead begat Jephthah.

Here are other versions, though i know that you are already blind and happy in it.

(BBE)  Now Jephthah the Gileadite was a great man of war; he was the son of a loose woman, and Gilead was his father.
(CEV)  The leaders of the Gilead clan decided to ask a brave warrior named Jephthah son of Gilead to lead the attack against the Ammonites. Even though Jephthah belonged to the Gilead clan, he had earlier been forced to leave the region where they had lived. Jephthah was the son of a prostitute, but his half-brothers were the sons of his father's wife. One day his half-brothers told him, "You don't really belong to our family, so you can't have any of the family property." Then they forced Jephthah to leave home. Jephthah went to the country of Tob, where he was joined by a number of men who would do anything for money. So the leaders of Gilead went to Jephthah and said,
(Darby)  Now Jephthah the Gileadite was a mighty man of valour, and he was the son of a harlot; and Gilead had begotten Jephthah.
(ERV)  Jephthah was from the tribe of Gilead. He was a strong soldier. But Jephthah was the son of a prostitute. His father was a man named Gilead.
(ESV)  Now Jephthah the Gileadite was a mighty warrior, but he was the son of a prostitute. Gilead was the father of Jephthah.
(ESV+)  Now Jephthah the Gileadite was a mighty warrior, but he was the son of a prostitute. Gilead was the father of Jephthah.
(GNB)  Jephthah, a brave soldier from Gilead, was the son of a prostitute. His father Gilead
(GW)  Jephthah was a soldier from the region of Gilead. Jephthah's father was named Gilead. His mother was a prostitute.
(ISV)  Now Jephthah the Gileadite was a valiant soldier, but he was also the son of a prostitute and Jephthah's father Gilead.
(RV)  Now Jephthah the Gileadite was a mighty man of valour, and he was the son of an harlot: and Gilead begat Jephthah.

i am yet to see any Bible version that says "Later on, Jephthah became a mighty man of valor. They all say NOW, Jephthah WAS a mighty man of valor. How to arrived at your wuruwuru explanation is known to you and maybe satan. Anyone who reads the account would see that Jephthah WAS indeed a mighty man of valor, responsible and capable. He had family and could take care of men, ALL before God "used" him (which is our point in this thread.

Jdg 11:3  Then Jephthah fled from his brethren, and dwelt in the land of Tob: and there were gathered vain men to Jephthah, and went out with him.
Jdg 11:5  And it was so, that when the children of Ammon made war against Israel, the elders of Gilead went to fetch Jephthah out of the land of Tob: 
Jdg 11:6  And they said unto Jephthah, Come, and be our captain, that we may fight with the children of Ammon.

This was clearly a man of valor and deliverer. They were even prepared to make him their head which they eventually did.

GIDEON.
Jdg 6:11  And there came an angel of the LORD, and sat under an oak which was in Ophrah, that pertained unto Joash the Abiezrite: and his son Gideon threshed wheat by the winepress, to hide it from the Midianites. 
Jdg 6:12  And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valour.

Again, the angel was not at a loss of words or shy. He clearly told Gideon The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valour. He did not say The LORD will be with thee, thou will later become a mighty man of valour. The angel knew and saw Gideon as a mighty man of valor. He was not going to need more time or training or accomplishment to become a mighty man of valor, he was already a mighty man of valor. Little wonder the angel told him to go in his might. He was very clear with His tenses. The present and the future.

Jdg 6:14  And the LORD looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel from the hand of the Midianites: have not I sent thee?
Jdg 6:16  And the LORD said unto him, Surely I will be with thee, and thou shalt smite the Midianites as one man. 

He could have said thou shalt be a mighty man of valor, he did not say that. Instead He said Thou mighty man of valor, Go in this thy might. The future "thou shalt smite" is clear for any english reader. Nothing esoteric or needing deep special study here like you have both advised.

Back to the OP matter. Clearly, Gideon was ready for the work. He did not need any extra training or years. He even had more than 10 servants to boot. This was someone who could raise an altar. i wonder if the said drop out can raise a hut or has more than 10 servants he is controlling that you are insulting Gideon by comparison.

Jdg 6:27  Then Gideon took ten men of his servants, and did as the LORD had said unto him: and so it was, because he feared his father's household, and the men of the city, that he could not do it by day, that he did it by night.

Lol, look at this so called Christian educated man oh.

kingxsamz:
We should also thank him for the children dying from malaria daily.

Of course, in everything we thank God.

HedwigesMaduro:
He wasn't until God made him one. He didn't show any valour before God stepped in. Except if cowardice is your idea of valour.

Jdg 6:12 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valour. 

Jdg 11:1 Now Jephthah the Gileadite was a mighty man of valour, and he was the son of an harlot: and Gilead begat Jephthah.

Does this your explanation apply in the two verses?

Kobojunkie:
No, Gideon was at the time God called him, not the image of a mighty man od valour that God made him become much later.
You should read the story for yourself to learn the truth though. He was more of a coward in the beginning who had sort of settled into life as it was during his day.
After God called him, the transformation from cowardly man to mighty man of valour began. Not saying his story ended well by the way.

Jdg 6:12 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valour. 

Jdg 11:1 Now Jephthah the Gileadite was a mighty man of valour, and he was the son of an harlot: and Gilead begat Jephthah.

Does this your explanation apply in the two cases?

HedwigesMaduro:
Read your Bible more and stop listening to motivational speakers in the guise of pastors. It will really help you.

You didn't answer the question. Was Gideon a mighty man of valour or not?

TheSourcerer:
why poking the lion here , calling him Delusional because he doesn't worship your idea of a good?
If the tables were turned now , you all start screaming christain persecution , the victim card of the christain

His ideas of God and of the Bible are delusional. This is a clear fact that even you should tell him as a good friend.

HedwigesMaduro:
So, God who used a donkey will not be able to use anyone except the person has "tenacity", hardwork or whatever you are referring to up there? What happens to "it's not he that willeth or he that runneth..." Some people just build God around their experience and limit Him by what they've been taught. What happens to "God uses the foolish things to confound the wise"?

I'm guessing Paul, Moses, Daniel and of course our greatest example Jesus Christ were used to confound the wise?

HedwigesMaduro:
A mighty man of valour hiding so that he wouldn't be bullied by the Philistines and his harvest stolen, right? You sure know God can create something out of nothing? Or you never read your Bible where God calls things that are not as if they were? Now, relate that to God calling Gideon a man of valour. And the reply given by Gideon also shows he wasn't. But God called him that because He had decided to make him that.

So he was not a mighty man of valour?

CAPSLOCKED:
NOTHING. IN THIS WORLD SUFFERING CANNOT BE ENDED.

Lol, suffering cannot be ended. You have been useless to the suffering around you for the past 15 selfish years of your life. But you are very angry with a non-existent God for not ending suffering. Atheism is not just folly but mad folly.

CAPSLOCKED:
IF YOU NEED RELIGION TO STOP YOU FROM KILLING YOUR NEIGHBOR THEN SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH YOU.
REMEMBER, ALL MAJOR RELIGIONS WERE IN SUPPORT OF SLAVERY AND THINGS LIKE MISOGYNY UNTIL HUMANS STARTED TO END THEM. MORALITY AND IMMORALITY IS IN ALL OF US. DO YOU SEE ANIMALS PRACTICE RELIGION? BUT MANY OF THEM HAVE MORE MORALS THAN SOME HUMANS THAT DO.

Always lying to yourself. Support of slavery and misogyny indeed. Animals have morals in your delusion.

Polygamy never ends well. Someone for selfish reasons would satisfy himself and put many in problem. Those who grow in it have bitter stories to tell.

Martinez39s:
My problem is if he comes to see the light later in life, many years after dropping out, he might be suicidal or greatly depressed at least.

This is not far from what usually happens. Then they will blame God. God that never told them to drop out. They would not remember that they actually dropped out because their father died.

CAPSLOCKED:
IMAGINE ALLOWING A PATIENT DIE ON HIS TABLE BECAUSE HE WAS COMMUNICATING WITH GOD AT A TIME HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE CARRYING OUT AN OPERATION?
HE HAS MADE A WISE CHOICE, MARTINEZ39S. SO MANY IDĮOTS IN APRONS NEED TO FOLLOW THIS GUY OUT OF OUR HOSPITALS.

Is that the way your parents and relatives used to do it? They just zoom into trances without control like Mr. Bean in Rat race? Is it the way your professors, teachers, colleagues and bosses used to do?

Nephilim:
by now God should have called Mark Zuckerberg and Bill gate lolz.

When the Bible says that he justified those he calls
Also say's He use the foolish things of the world to confound the wise
Apostle paul says we are fool for christ.

All I can say is God calls those that have genuine love in their heart for Him.

In the real sense, God calls everybody. So many millions have several missed calls of God on their life.