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hahn:
It is popular belief that the Devil is more evil. No thanks to religious people who have blamed the devil anytime bad things happen in their lives and even consequences of their own actions.

But I have been thinking and also wondering, what exactly did the devil do to become so infamous?

In the beginning, according to the bible, the devil tempted Eve and she ate the fruit and as a result god punished mankind for eternity.

Let's go back a bit. God created the devil. God is omniscient and knew that the devil would fight against it. It also knew man would fall for the temptation, eat the fruit and it would also have to punish man for eternity.

Now, since god decided to do this, doesn't this make it responsible for every evil?

After all, everything is god's will which means that every evil, disease, poverty, death, eternal roasting in hell, sickness are also it's will. This also makes void any claim that there is freewill by the way since nothing is really by our or devil's will.

Then why do people keep blaming the devil for god's will as it manifests? Why don't people thank god when there is an accident or when a loved one dies or when they is an earthquake or tsunami or war that kills thousands and millions,

After all, it is only part of god's divine and perfect will.

What is your opinion?

This reeks of total ignorance or hypocrisy or just plain incompetence. You started off more intelligent five years ago, what happened?

hahn:
Jesus was jerking off at the time. Too bad Ezekiel didn't take a a selfie with God on the throne

**** Did Ezekiel mention that he didn't see Jesus? How exactly do you arrive at the position that he didn't see Jesus asides fallacious indoctrination?

Seun:
Yeah. Muslims claim that the Jews and Christians have corrupted their scriptures, so God sent the Prophet to deliver the uncorrupted word of God to the Arabs. Christians claim that Jews don't embrace Jesus because they don't understand the messiahnic prophecies in their own scriptures, but the truth is that every OT verse used in the new testament to support the messiahship of Jesus was quoted out of context. The idea that God has always been a Trinity but never mentioned it to any of the prophets of his chosen people, ever, is just ridiculous. Ezekiel had a vision of God's throne room and Jesus wasn't there, if I remember it correctly. Where was God's eternal, co-equal son hiding at the time??

Did Ezekiel see God? How do you come to the conclusion that Jesus wasn't there, or you expect them to be screaming Jesus Jesus over there?

Mcowubaba:
Most times I hear people say Muslims and Christians worship the same God.
Even in Nigeria, I have heard a couple of times from some dignified members of the society, opined that Christians and Muslims serve the Same God

So there shouldn't be any cause for religious violence/intolerance...

Some people have also argue that "God" is translated to "Allah" in Arabic/Hausa, so that means it is the Same God
How true is this!??

Personally, I strongly doubt this popular notion.

What's your opinion

NO, anyone that says otherwise is either a politician or a comedian or an ignorant fellow.

randomperson:
You're proving my exact point....
Real Christianity is by evangelism, yet the people that are leaving Christianity are more than those converting to it... That's in spite of evangelism.

You said christianity survives on high birthrates and indoctrination, that is untrue. Nobody is born a christian. You have to be born AGAIN to be a Christian. Real Christianity survives on evangelism. The Bible predicts mass falling away, evil men and seducers waxing worse, and the love of many waxing cold. There's no news neither do we need any statistical analysis or science journal to tell us what we know. It's like knowing your name or your best food. Leaving or coming to Christianity doesn't change anything or disturb the veracity of the Bible and the fact that the Judge of the whole earth is coming.

randomperson:
Christianity among other religions is projected to increase significantly in population in the next decade and beyond. But this increase is mainly down to the high birthrates of the countries which are religious rather than the conversion of "unbelievers".
In fact, by 2050, Christianity is forecasted to have the biggest exodus of all religions, losing 106 million believers while gaining just 40 million converts.
This shows that on it's merits, more people are leaving Christianity than are joining. And the only way Christianity maintains it's population is by it's high birthrate and intense indoctrination...
Ref: http://www.livescience.com/50370-worlds-religious-population-will-grow.html

Duh, real Christianity is by evangelism not by the assumption above.

So who's lying na?

akintom:
buy-bull don't enlighten, rather it plunges folks in fatal idiocy.

kindly speak English, you're not communicating.

JackBizzle:
This guy.
You still dey?

i dey oh, you know say i get eternal life na.

Lennycool:
What?

Called you to witness one of yours yapping about superior morality.

akintom:
buy-bull knowledge is for the bull headed.

That hypnotic rom 2:4, is one of the psychedelic substance in religious junkyism.

Do you speak English? Have you ever read the parable of the rich fool as told by Jesus the Christ? The rich fool had more 'testimonies' than you'd ever have, get enlightened.

HardMirror:
When I say christians are the most heartless people, many thing I am speaking out of proportion.

cc: lennycool

adoyi8:
I still remember the first time I said in my mind that there may be no god. Fear griped me, I was expecting the ground to open and swallow me like the story of korah in the bible. That was six years ago.

As a result of my indoctrination into Christianity, I used to have this fear of not involving god in everything I do; I pray before I sleep because I fear that if I don’t pray before sleeping, I will have nightmares or may not even wake up. When sick, I pray before taking drugs because I feared that the drugs may not work without prayers. I pray before eating to remove poison (Nigerian movies actually caused this fear) and because I feared that if I don’t thank god for this meal he may get angry and deny me my next meal. I pray before travelling, taking exams etc.

To be honest, since I became an atheist, some unfortunate things have happened to me but it is very easy to look beside me and see a devoted Christian suffering worse.

Bad things have happened to me as an atheist yet good things also happened some of which are; I wrote JAMB and passed without prayers, I got admitted into the university without prayers, I have been travelling to and fro school and been arriving safely without prayers, I have graduated from the University with flying colors having taking all my exams without prayers

The highlight of my testimony is that I won a scholarship in 2014 (NNPC/Chevron JV scholarship) and was paid 100,000 naira thrice for the scholarship.

The manner in which I won the scholarship fits exactly into what a Christian might call a miracle. One of which was the fact that I was devastated after taking the test because I didn’t finish answering the test questions before I was forcefully logged out.

To make the story even more interesting, I applied for the scholarship with six of my other course mates some of them knew my stance on religion and I was the only one that got the scholarship.

The message I want to pass is that as a human being, you can get lucky sometimes and be unlucky other times (most accident victims prayed before their journey). You don’t get favored because you are a Christian, Muslim or an atheist. In fact if there is a god, he doesn’t care about your prayers.

I am an atheist graduate waiting to be mobilized for NYSC and I hope to share more testimonies with you.



seun
hardmirror
hopefullandlord
eyehategod
jonbellion
frank317
obinna58
hahn
akintom
jackBizzle
lennycool
realmindz

Duh, complete balderdash and lack of Bible knowledge. Ever read Psalm 73? Or are you new on earth?
Romans 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

Seun:
Written and performed by Dan Barker, a former Christian music minister:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTm65oBBWBQ

1) You can't win with original sin.

2) Beware of dogma.

3) Nothing fails like prayer, my favourite, which is separately recorded below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPZPGlBgXUY

Do you like these songs?

Lol, so atheists eye praise and worship too. i wonder when they'd start communion.

No significance, no scriptural base, plain gullibility.

This is like what churches like Deeper Life get the sticks for. If churches are so blind and filled with dis'grace it takes higher institutions to tell young people to dress decent. Shame.

Lennycool:
I see you've ignored the part o said about Hitler and German christians helping out in the extermination.
The churches compiled birth records of Jewish people to give to the military, aiding in the mass genocide, and all you can talk about is one atheist, is atheism a religion? The only thing we have in common is unbelief everyman has his own doctrine. Just like the only thing a christian and a pagan worshiper has is belief.
Stop being willfully ignorant

You misunderstood me, that's why i never bothered. i wasn't referring to Mengele in the first instance, i referred to the moniker leofab as yet another atheist. You folks keep bringing up morality issues and being better in behavior than christians. Remember this next time such comes up.

Lennycool:
So?
How e take concern me?
Don't forget he was given permission to do what he did by a christian turned deist Adolph Hitler, not to mention the christian soldiers and populace that had no problem with what the Nazis did and aided them.

i referred to the fellow with the moniker leofab. That's yet another example of an atheist with no value for human life who would kill millions if given the chance. It concerns you because i usually tell you that atheists have no basis to talk about morals or about being good people, or to judge Bible characters. They'd clearly do worse if chanced.

Elxandre:
I'm ashamed of you?
You mean you've learnt nothing in Christianity to be this judgemental?
I asked a simple question and you reply with a pile of hateful bile.

You are so insecure that everything seems like criticism to you.

You said that she's always unhappy, isn't that criticism? You that is always happy, kindly go and achieve 1% of what she's done. simple. No pile, no judgement.

Hmmmm, pastor Chris ehn. This episode get as e be. But why did he go on to say that the event which he described as the glory was God was unimportant compared to Benny Hinn's good morning Holy Spirit book. That's needless, except i misunderstood him sha. Then Benny should go and gum that letter 'H' falling from the wall of the house.

leofab:
lan rat was a result of another experiement... few people dying to save thousands more isn't a bad idea

i hear you, I'm not surprised at all. cc:lennycool

He's feeding on the gullibility of many who drop their God given brains once they hear "God told me" and also prepping things to make any clamp down or arrest look political or anti-opposition.

Elxandre:
She's always unhappy because she nearly died from illness?

So she should be smiling sheepishly or looking frivolous before you consider her as happy? She's not alive for you sorry, find how to accomplish 1% of what she's done in her short christian life instead of criticism.

leofab:
yes and if am opportuned like him, I will kill some couple more thousand for experiement...it's for the sake humankind.. now when you recieve this therapy and drugs gotten asa result of his conquest, you don't know how it came by...

Yet another atheist with no value for human life cc:lennycool
i guess this one has never heard of simulation and lab rats. Oh, no need to guess, it's inherent in every atheist.

HardMirror:
You are the only christian making sense here. It's a shame many profess to be christians but are worse than infidels.
I am not a christian anymore because of issues like this. There is simply no sincerity in the church. The bible is just a book of contradictions. When I was a christian, I knew Jesus could not be pleased with soldiers who kill. It does not just add up. See christians here defending killings, they do so out of their selfish nature. They profess God but don't trust him to protect them.

That's why you eternally fail to understand the actions of soldiers in the old Testament. Soldier or Judge work is not personal grievances or vendetta. It is established law and order approved and ordained by God.

HardMirror:
He was only trying to seize the opportunity to do all ethics won't allow medical researchers do.

See this fellow oh, he was ONLY? A mass murderer was only. Anyway, it's the way with atheists, they'd do worse if empowered, children of satan.

pressplay411:
It's good to know what works for you.
Have you actually tried, not praying?
Once you realise it's normal and do not panic, you ease out of it and wake up.
The fear of dying usually makes one panic that's when you remember all the names of Jehovah that are not even in the bible. But no, it's not a spiritual attack. Apparently no one has died from it @least that I know of.

And how would you know if someone died from it, they'd tell you? I've never again had sleep paralysis despite
2. Not getting much sleep (insomnia)
3. Little or no night rest to relax the brain, the brain is
responsible for your dreams.
4. Jetlag or irregular sleep pattern
5. Sleeping at inappropriate time, which might be induced by
drugs, weed, narcolepsy, night job.

When i had it then, i prayed. If you adjust and take it normal, well some people take unclothedness, illiteracy, molestation and physical abuse as normal for them.

Azil:
The one time it happened to me, I remained calm and let it run it's course as I had read once about it.

I told my Dad about it and the prayers he 'fired' afterwards, I couldn't stop laughing.

Is it coincidental that it didn't happen to you again after the prayers? Is that scientific?

NatureBoy91:
This thread is meant to highlight few mistakes most Christians make or do. They are as follows:
1. THE FIRE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT: Many Christians has been using the Holy Ghost' fire to bind, cast, destroy things, demons, evil. Well, the only purpose of the Fire of the Holy Spirit is for "Anointing," the Bible only states that it is for anointing, there is no place in the Bible where the Holy Ghost' fire is used to bind, cast or destroy like some of the churches do. Rather, you bind or cast such things in the Name or Power of Christ not with the Holy Ghost' fire. Please, if you are among such, desist from such practices.

i generally agree with your points about abuse and misuse. But we do not exactly have to throw out the babies with the bath water but rather put to right use. Briefly.
Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Mat 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

From the above, the idea is that the fire of the Holy Spirit burns up unwanted things(chaff) in the life of a child of God.

2. THE BLOOD OF CHRIST: Many Christians has formed the habit of using the Blood of Christ to cover themselves, their toilets, their food, even their vehicles. Imagine if you cover your food with blood, what will you then eat? Blood? Or if you cover your car with blood, where can you view to drive? The Bible only tells us that the Blood of Christ (Blood of Jesus Christ) is meant for "Cleansing of Sin," The Blood cleanse our sins and that's why Christ shed His Blood for us just to cleanse the sins of the world. There is no place where the Holy Bible tells us that the Blood of Christ is used for covering of things. These are practices of the Heathens. Rather you cover yourself under the shekinah, power or Name of the Most High, or Christ the Son of The Most High.

Not exactly heathen practice but an application of something found in the Old Testament passover. The blood of the lamb was sprinkled on door posts to keep away destruction. In the same vein, some Christians believe that Jesus is their passover and that the blood of this Lamb is of more powerful effect. Basically, it is unto you according to your faith.

3. PRAYING IN A HARSH MODE: These harsh mode while praying is the order of the day in some churches. God is a God of Silence, if you have to pray, Pray in silence. Christ did so in Gethsemane, Moshe/Moses went up Mount Sinai for days silence where he met God. Many references in the Bible where saints prayed in silence. Praying making noise that you want to take the kingdom by force, mind you God's ear is not short to hear you. When you talk to your earthly father, do you talk to him in a harsh mode? Do the same to your Heavenly Father. Those who teaches you to destroy the devil and his angels, are false persons. Who are you to destroy the devil and his angels, you have no such power to do so. If the heavenly angels had the power, they won't hesitate to do so. The power to destroy lies in the hands of the Most High, and not you "Mortal Man." Rather you bind or cast the devil and his angels, quote where you needed them to stay till the day of Judgment.
Hope, I have cleared some of your doubts, let no one deceive you. You can only perish by lack of knowledge and understanding.

Every human is created differently. While shouting at God should be discouraged, fervency is encouraged in prayers. Not everyone has the same temperament as you do so it is not compulsory to force others into your mould. The important things in prayers are faith, the will/Word of God, not modes or forms or length.

Funny.

An apostle whose standard is not Jesus Christ but El Rufai needs serious help. He's wrong.

doctokwus:
The issue is that as bad as d PMB govt has turned out to be,there is no candidate out there who is not utterly corrupt and whose ability to take us out of this economic nightmare is guaranteed.
Rather than vote in any member of d killer party,PDP,or face d grim prospects of another PMB term,if God keeps him,I feel Osinbajo,divinely enthrolled by circumstances and allowed a full 4yr term from 2019,is d safest option.
He may or maynot take us of d woods,but d nightmare of anyone of Saraki,Atiku,Lamido,Kwankwaso etc being president of this country,is a sure recipee of taking us back to the era of free looting,besides not aving any hope of having an economic plan to end d severe hardship in d land.

Osinbajo is in charge of the economy already. He's playing the role NOI played. Evidently, they are overwhelmed and need divine intervention. All his law experience and promises are yet to be put to best use. He's also acted as President longer than any vice already.