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Image123: hmmm see this ungodly ones also doing pity pity face here. but really, why tolerate a goat as a family member in the name of tolerance? is it rational?

logicB, those questions.

i don't appreciate being called names or titles, only responding because you specifically asked on the other thread. My response is that i don't live my life based on creeds, confession and articles. i live by faith in the Word of God, the Bible that is.

Ihedinobi: @Image123, wow, bro. Thank God for you. I agree with your post in its entirety.

I think the thing that impedes our understanding of this matter may be a false human compassion. I don't think any of us feels bad about throwing dirt out of our living and work space. Nor do we feel particularly good about living or dealing with people who feel obliged to do so despite the fact they hate our guts.

Regardless, good posts, bro.

thanks my brother, my wish is for JeSoul to come with that pesticide i mentioned.

logicB, you did not answer my question, can't you be rational?

The scriptures state that the spirit and the soul depart from the body at death. Quickly on the spirit departing are these 3,
Act 7:59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Also on the soul's departure, we have,
Gen 35:18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Ben-oni: but his father called him Benjamin.
1Ki 17:21 And he stretched himself upon the child three times, and cried unto the LORD, and said, O LORD my God, I pray thee, let this child's soul come into him again.
1Ki 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

When these something(s) leaves the body, it goes to a place of rest. The souls of some is spoken of as resting in the book of Revelation.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
The passage talks of souls resting, which is in agreement with Jesus' views of sleeping, and His promise to give those who come unto Him rest. The afterlife is not just to sleep, but to have a good night rest. This state of rest and sleep is not the picture of running up and down, there is some restriction. Compare it with the story of the rich man and Lazarus. Lazarus is pictured in Abraham's bosom, a position of rest. He doesn't even say or do nothing in the account. But he is conscious, albeit in rest. A lot of things go on inside us when we rest/sleep. Some people have sweet dreams, the internal organs function and organise themselves better. A day is coming though, when Christ will wake up all, from their sleep. In that time, the spirit and soul will be rejoined to the body and the body will be changed.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

it's a mystery, but it will happen. The dead in Christ will rise first, then we, which are alive, will also be changed and will join them to forever be with the Lord.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

As for now, they surround us as a cloud of witnesses. Like Ihedinobi said, and whose post i totally agreed to, they are like in the cinema house as viewers.

Heb 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,
We are surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses. These are dead saints, heroes of the faith, but they are witnessing. It is not a would be, it is present. God is not a God of the dead but of the living. The saints are alive. Jesus said, " And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die." Death is not the correct representation of what happens. Some people are already dead in God's eyes, before they die. But for believers, they are ever alive. In the net testament, we are come, or have come to Mount Zion, to a lot of angels. It is not a matter of the future or for the future, we have come. To the general assembly. To the spirits of just men. To Jesus. To God. These are all in present tense, not a future hthing. We are before the spirits of just men, they are surrounding us as witnesses. This is what happens in the afterlife.

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Destruction as used in the Word of God is not as we perceive it. Same goes for Life and Death. We perceive people to be alive. Many are alive,but do not have Life, eternal Life. Adam was alive, even though he had not taken of the tree of life. The tree of life puts us, grants us access to ETERNAL life. Eternal Life is to be with God forever. Eternal damnation is to be without God. It is also for eternity, forever. It is eternal separation, that's why its called death. Death is termed as separation. When the spirit leaves the body, it is death. When a man is separated from God, it is a form of death. That something is destroyed does not mean that it will not be conscious forever, else, devil should not be conscious forever by now.

Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Jesus died to destroy the devil. Is the devil now unconscious, or destroyed in the way we all perceive 'destroy'?
Even the work of God can be destroyed,according to the Bible. But that destruction is not a end of God's work.
Rom 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offense.
That the Bible talks of sinners being destroyed, or the satan destroyed does not mean that they will not exist again. The Bible records that their damnation will be forever. It is the same thing with words like 'perish' for instance.
Luk 11:51 From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.
Zacharias was a prophet that perished in 2Chronicles 24. But as Bible students, we all know that that is not his end. I hope God gives us the grace to rightly divide his word, and give us more understanding and righteousness. So that, whatever may happen in the afterlife, we may be found worthy to stand before Him.

Found me some time at last! What can i say, it is a clearly difficult subject. Nonetheless, the OP has permitted me to share. Firstly, there is something called ETERNITY. Death is our thin line, our transit between time and eternity. Many men live in time, All men live in time. We are in time, counting centuries, decades, years, months, days, and even microseconds. Time is just a partition, a cloud, created in God's hand. Eternity surrounds time. It is before time and after time. God holds eternity, and lives in eternity. He is the Eternal God, that is why He is called the Beginning and the End. He has no beginning and has no end, and He has created us in that image. This is why it is important for every man to note where he would spend eternity. There is eternal life, and there is eternal damnation.
Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
i wish there was no eternal damnation. Well, i wish many things too. i wish nigeria was developed like america. And i wish my friend to be the president etc. If wishes were horses. Still the Word of God is Truth, and is Amen, and so shall it be. The Word of God teaches that there is eternity. Ther is a forever and ever, something everlasting, for EVERY man. Unfortunately, words alone cannot describe everything or aptly describe everything.

2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
Many times, God uses pictures that we are familiar with to explain untold realities. So we should many times learn not to overdwell on the words or letter, but on the essence and the spirit of God's Word. Jesus perceived death in a different way to how we perceive it. He knows all things. He is an authority, knowing what happens in the after life. Jesus looked at death as SLEEP.
Joh 11:11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.
Joh 11:13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
Mat 9:24 He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn.
Mar 5:39 And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.
Luk 8:52 And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but sleepeth.

From the passages above, it is evident that Jesus had a different view to death than we have as humans. he saw death as a sleep phase. Some other scriptures also term death as sleep. Consider the below.
Act 13:36 For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell on sleep, and was laid unto his fathers, and saw corruption:
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Act 7:60 And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

These passages show us that when we die, we are actually sleeping. This is truth irrespective of our past experience and knowledge, for the Word of God is Truth. And i dare say, that if one can have a good and enjoyed sleep(night rest as we know it), or a bad and troubled sleep(night rest as we know it). On the same premise, all men may have a good sleep or a troubled sleep in the afterlife.

In the scriptures, right from the old testament, there was always the picture and the idea that there was a consciousness in the afterlife.
Gen 15:15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
Here is God, telling Abraham, that when he died, He would go to his fathers. The expression is frequently used in the old testament. They had the idea of going to join some people when they died.

Gen 25:8 Then Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years; and was gathered to his people.
It is either Abraham was gathered to his people, or he was not. God had told him that he would go, and chapter 25says he went when he died. this is the afterlife(or is it afterdeath). Similar expressions are severally used in the OT.

Gen 35:29 And Isaac gave up the ghost, and died, and was gathered unto his people, being old and full of days: and his sons Esau and Jacob buried him.

Gen 25:17 And these are the years of the life of Ishmael, a hundred and thirty and seven years: and he gave up the ghost and died; and was gathered unto his people.
Gen 49:33 And when Jacob had made an end of commanding his sons, he gathered up his feet into the bed, and yielded up the ghost, and was gathered unto his people.
Deu 32:50 And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:
It is good that you move with the right people, because you will be gathered unto your people when you die. So folks, know your people, because you may have to spend the afterlife with them.
Gen 49:10 The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Bible students know this passage to be referring to the Lord's Christ,and it is to him that the people will gather. When we die, that is, when believers die, they are gathered in Christ. Other scriptures also say this.
-1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
-1Co 15:18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
-Phi 1:23 For I am in a strait between two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
-2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

In the afterlife, something(s) definitely leaves the body, as seen in the last passage above "absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord". Some people argue that the body goes down to the grave and suffers corruption, therefore no feeling after death. But we have skipped the part that something(s) leaves the body in the afterlife. that thing(s) is what sleeps. In the afterlife, you either have a good sleep or a terrible sleep. Everybody sleeping will be awakened later on either for the first resurrection or for the white throne judgement.

hmmm see this ungodly ones also doing pity pity face here. but really, why tolerate a goat as a family member in the name of tolerance? is it rational?

Ubenedictus: thanks for the insult. My bible say he wu stands shuld take care lest he fall, i hope that is in ur bible.

class

Meklex: 6th to comment. God u aRe so wondaful

priceless.
Thank God for your life ba?

hmmn just saw this, hope to contribute later oh. please buy pesticide oh.

whose business, and how does this help the current fuel price hike in Ibadan?

eyenC
The sacrifice is not in harmony with God's Word, don't do it. Have some faith in the God you serve, He will take care of you. leave the gods to be angry, they'll just be angry for nothing. They can't touch you.

others are also reading who may have honest doubts. The posts are for their sakes, and for a witness.

eyenCalabar: Yes sir, but answer my question.

what is your question?

isn't it cute, the way the two posts i wrote last were largely ignored? Devil's so smart.

frosbel: My brother, these guys will never get it or maybe they will one day.

They are creating more atheists than the devil daily by preaching these falsehoods and refusing to unlearn their dogmatic tradition and learn the simple truths of scripture.

tell me more! The Revelation of Jesus is falsehood, while your malunderstanding of Ezekiel is truth and light. fill up the measure of your fathers.

Sirniyeh: do you know what you are saying? Pls stop foolishness here because its a serious matter. Why saying not her fault? 7months courtship and she cant confide in her fiancee. Is a 36 year old lady a kid to have lived unconscious of three month pregnancy? Such lady is calous and i support divorce. Well, expect update asap

it's only reason that you don't expect your own brother to sleep with you. The pregnancy is not a result of careless visitation or partying. I didn't say she's unconscious. i think she was too scared to talk. You know, somethings happen that you'll hope to wish it away, or turn back the hands of time. She may have felt that confiding in her spouse will endanger the relationship and wedding. How she managed to escape her church notice is my surprise. If your friend loves her, he can forgive her and continue the marriage. On the other hand, he may leave her. Na you ask for advice, why you come abuse me na?

eyenCalabar: Really sorry pls. That's why am here ofcourse -to learn

learn quickly then, Caesar is dead.

ifeness: Nothing usualy happens

then maybe your god is deaf or you were impatient. my friends and I usually pray until things happen.

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Image123: have you read Matthew 23 recently? Jesus has nothing but encouragement for tithes, i will follow Jesus anywhere.

that's no Caesar, Caesar is dead.

the girl was scared, abi na the woman was scared. she's 36 you said! he can forgive her, i don't think its her fault or that she's promiscuous. he may also leave her unfortunately.

breathtaking achievements,

ask for them to provide a part or demarcation for nursing mothers to avoid distraction then.

op
Prrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaayy Until Something Happens. infact, pray hard.

have you read Matthew 23 recently? Jesus has nothing but encouragement for tithes, i will follow Jesus anywhere.

this boy, you're just throwing loose assumptions around. The Samaritan is not an atheist. Secondly, you called the Samaritan good, not me. What is your criteria? Also, you just quoted me without answering the question in the quote?

zikky,
Of all the parables of Jesus, is there anyone that cannot happen literally. If yes, which, and why?

Are you now becoming phariseeish? Christ said woe unto them. Though your advice is good but dodging weightier matters.

Do violence to no man! let me ask you again this way.
Can Christian US soldiers involved in war kill their fellow man?

A soldier can kill under lawful authority. He can't go home can kill his wife or neighbour, or go out and start shooting others. But as a law enforcement agent, if the sentence is death and proven so, he can kill. The law told the Israelites not to kill and the understood it in its proper context. Little David killed Goliath, the enemy of God's people. God helped him in the wars also.

Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Rom 13:6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Rom 13:7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.

No one is to take law into his hands but to submit them to divinely approved authority. That's why people report things to the judges and the police and other law ENFORCEMENT agents.

My major aim is to show from scriptures that man is made up of spirit, soul and body. The Bible shows us that man has a spirit. Man also has a soul. And of course a body. Man was made to work seamlessly but unfortunately fell from Adam, literally. Today, we have man fighting with himself.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Gala 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
Gala 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Man's spirit ought to be in communion with God. It still has that inkling, but it receives stiff opposition from the flesh, and even from the soul. So much that man is regarded as 'flesh', even by God, not as a LIVING soul.
Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins
The heart/spirit of the natural man is blind. It needs to be re-born, and the soul renewed continually. The heart, in scriptures, is not reference to the blood pumping physical organ. The spirit and the soul are not physical organs, though it is not wrong to tend to refer to the spirit as the heart, and the soul as the brain. It's almost the sponteneous thing to do, though not exactly true.
Man's spirit is the place of communion. It's function is to fellowship. It can commune with the spiritual world. It can communicate with spirits, even an unbeliever's spirit. Man in general has all these functions though more alive/pronounced in some than others. Just like some people naturally have long nose, or fast legs, or sharp vision. Some of these physical qualities can be improved/developed by training, time, exercise etc. But the FACT is that some come naturally gifted. Some people are ambidextrous, some are left handed, some have very distinct taste buds. there is of course the geneal seeing, tasting, using the hand etc but some come naturlly gifted. In man's spirit's also, some people are naturally gifted. They can easily 'enter the spirit'. They can sense things, they can almost know that something is going to happen, they can dream of something while others will never have a single dream all year. Man's spirit communes with the spirit world. It was built to commune primarily with God. It was made to worship.

Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Luk 1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior.

1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

Our spirit connects us to God. True worship is done or achieved by our spirit, in fellowship with the Lord.


Rom 1:9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

The spirit also functions as the not too popular conscience. Your conscience is not from knowledge. It is not a rational thing. The conscience just knows for no obvious reason that something is good, or bad. The conscience of course can be silenced or deadened or hardened or neglect.
Act 17:16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was stirred in him, when he saw the city wholly given to idolatry.
here is Paul's spirit functioning as conscience.

Psa 34:18 The LORD is nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
Deu 2:30 But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand, as appeareth this day.

Everyman needs a good conscience, a repentant, broken, contrite, soft conscience. The above passages show us that softness or hardness of conscience is done in the spirit of the man, not in the body or soul.

2Co 2:13 I had no rest in my spirit, because I found not Titus my brother: but taking my leave of them, I went from thence into Macedonia.
Here is Paul again, being pric.ked in the spirit/heart. the spirit functions as conscience. Your conscience is proof that you have a spirit in you. Your communion with the spirit realm is proof that you have a spirit within you. Please not that i'm not sanctioning, condemning or approving anything here. I'm trying to show the funtions of the man and his constituents. Being able to commune or having conscience is not a proof of being close to God. Its simply proof that you have a spirit, and it is still performing some basic functions. Like in the physical, some are deficient, with poor vision, or slow, etc. it may be so in the spirit too.

Over to the soul, the YOU. We all have a soul, My soul magnify the Lord etc. The soul functions in three main things; Will, Mind, and Emotion
having a will, or a mind, or emotion shows that you have a soul. The soul functions as the WILL. The Will is the place of volition and decision. Man has a free volition, a free will. Every man has ability to choose. this choosing is basically a function of the soul.
Job 7:15 So that my soul chooseth strangling, and death rather than my life.

Psa 41:2 The LORD will preserve him, and keep him alive; and he shall be blessed upon the earth: and thou wilt not deliver him unto the will of his enemies.
The word translated as WILL in the later passage is actually 'soul' in the original. The soul is the will. Some people are strong willed.
(MKJV) Jehovah will watch over him and keep him alive; and he shall be blessed on the earth; and You will not deliver him to the soul of his enemies.

Also, the soul functions as the mind. The mind is where you think, your intellect. It is where you exercise rationalism and brilliance. it is the place and seat of knowledge.
Pro 19:2 Also, that the soul be without knowledge, it is not good; and he that hasteth with his feet sinneth.
Pro 24:14 So shall the knowledge of wisdom be unto thy soul: when thou hast found it, then there shall be a reward, and thy expectation shall not be cut off.
The soul functions as the mind. It knows, it thinks. Qute unlike the spirit or conscience. little wonder, God has little love for our thinkings and rationalizings and logics. Faith is of the spirit, the heart. With the heart, man believes. Without faith, you cannot please God, you cannot connect to God. Many try to connect with their thinking, that's a very hard thing to do. God fellowships with the spirit, not with the soul. Conscience hardly has a reason, it simply knows. But in the intellect, there is an exact reason to do anything.

Psa 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvelous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
The soul knows. it is the place of the mind. It is the place of self also. You discover yourself through the mind. You 'discover' God through the spirit.

Lam 3:20 My soul hath them still in remembrance, and is humbled in me.

It is the soul that remembers. It is the storehouse of knowledge.

The third function i want to write on is the emotion. The soul is the centre and function of emotions. It is the soul that likes and hates. It is the soul that is happy, sad, love, grieved, angry, elated, anxious etc. We all have emotions. This is all performed by the soul. God gave us the spirit, soul and body. It should all be used to glorify God, not self or the devil.

Note the bolded in the passages below to observe the 'emotion' function of the soul.
Son 1:7 Tell me, O thou whom my soul loveth, where thou feedest, where thou makest thyflock to rest at noon: for why should I be as one that turneth aside by the flocks of thy companions?
2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds);
Psa 86:4 Rejoice the soul of thy servant: for unto thee, O Lord, do I lift up my soul.

Isa 26:9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
2Sa 5:8a And David said on that day, Whosoever getteth up to the gutter, and smiteth the Jebusites, and the lame and the blind, that are hated of David's soul, he shall be chief and captain.
Joh 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.


i've tried to extract and show that man is made up of the spirit, the soul and the body. It's all yours, all things are yours as it were. i've also tried to outline the basic functions. Man was made to work seemlessly, so its not rare or wrong to say "i did this", whether it is the spirit or soul or body that did it. They are not supposed to compete with or try to contradict one another. If i love you, my soul loves you, but my spirit and my bidy also loves you. No big deal. i'm not trying to alienate them oh(i understand what i'm saying better in a way). It's like in the Godhead, if the Father does something, the Son or the Holy Ghost can also be said to have done it. Hope you understand, cause i can imagine people who will only try to look for loopholes or phrases to rebut instead of learning and gaining something. i'll appreciate honest questions, and try to answer posts generally if i'm privileged to.

Is the question hard to answer?

Christians should not join the army. That would be my advice to Christians before, during and after a war.

So tell us your own.

Wanted to know your view, so that you are not sitting on the fence where you can fall and break a bone. My advice to christian US soldiers in war.

Luk 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages.
They should not collect or extort money or goods from anyone by force, they should not torture people or FALSELY accuse anybody. These are traits of the soldiers and police in all time, and in places where they are not restrained or cautioned. The christian soldier should not be like his worldly counterparts or colleagues as they involve themselves in drunkeness, drugs, r.ape, debaucheries and partyings. That's my advice to them, and also that they do all things in the fear of the Lord and in expectation of the coming King Jesus.