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Maybe you should. You have faith in Him yet he hasn't invited you too, abi? Infact Satan's one up on you..

ooo, i see you were jealous.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
We already meet everyday, don't know what you are referring to exactly. If you mean going to Heaven my home, that one na later, me sef neva readi go yet. But for sure, my bros talk say I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. i believe Him above you, jealous. [s]wats that stuff calloti used to say about being jealous?[/s]

So in essence, it teaches us that a dictator rules us which we all must submit to.. Hence

and essence died.

This same dictator is the one who stands by while Boko Haram bomb churches in Nigeria, watched as His son was killed... a dictator indeed...
And yet you will claim freewill.. what's freewill when we have no choice?
If we're all pawns in the hands of GOD, what's the point of evangelism? To enable GOD make better moves with his pawns?

i said pawns as it were, that is in the sense that we are directly affected by powers greater than we are. Like Job could not stop what was coming/what came on him and his. But he exercised his freewill to keep his integrity, in the stead of cursing God like some advised. You/i also have the freewill to believe God, obey Him and fear Him. But we do not choose when to be born or when to die.

'AND IN ALL THE LAND THERE WERE NO WOMEN FOUND SO FAIR' isn't a comparison?

There was no comparison made with Job's first and second set of children. You are the one making this comparison. You may need your english teacher.

Neither the disciples nor Jesus talked about Job in the new Testament.. so stop posting lies...

you do go on with your ignorance in a swagger.
Jam 5:11 Behold, we count them happy which endure. Ye have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

dude,seriously,you believe God authored the Bible?i dont mean to burst the bubble and i have tried to be a good christian for many years but the reality is the catholics authored the Bible on the orders of constantine.i really wonder why people dont take the time to read or research.the Bible was compiled almost 400years after the death of Jesus.books by selected authors especially those of paul were collated while books whose authors were considered heretics were burnt and their authors burnt at the stake.bear in mind that all this burning was done in the name of God.also bear in mind that people like martin luther king were considered heretics.
also bear in mind that the popes werent the "epitome of holiness".they waged wars,had wives and mistresses,embezzled funds,engaged in sodomy,adultery and Inbreeding.when you have people of that calibre at the head of the church and they compiled the Bible,you seriously epect me to believe it was perfectly authored by Yahweh himself?

a pathetic case on the ills of internet learning.

See this slowpoke for Jesus. I was baptized and born again. You are free to act crazy and know everything about my christian past without even knowing or seeing me.

you should post more often in the jokes section. What does it mean to be born again?

musKeeto: So you are the standard by which being born again is now measured?
How can you claim one 'NEVER' had faith?

The Bible is the standard, not me. By their fruits we know them.

logicboy01: When I talk about God or Satan, it is always hypothetical.


BTW...I had faith. A christian believes in Jesus as his or her saviour. I believed and then I stopped. Who are you to judge who is a christian or not?

You would be the 1st person to claim that Oyedepo/Okotie are christians. Hypocrite

were you ever a new creature in Christ, were you ever born again? i am very certain that you wasted the first 22years of your life if the answers are negative. You never had faith, you were only born into a religion, you are yet without faith and wasting your life still.

logicboy01: I was a catholic for 22 years. I didnt know that you were omnipotent to read my mind and know whether I had faith





Satan doesnt exist.

You were never born again, in other words, Jesus never knew you, in basic words, you never had faith. satan doesn't exist, but God conveniently exists in your follydom, so that you can talk about Him all year long on nairaland. You need a useful job.

Funny isn't it?
Was the Lord here GOD or JESUS?
And Satan joined the party?

The two of them, do you think? And of course satan yoined the phatty, you jealous?

To be honest this is one of the most unfortunate stories I've ever read in the bible and I have never gleaned anything spiritual or higher from it (aside from job describing the elements and the power of his god).

Poor dear. The account of Job is one of hope amidst many sundry lessons
Job 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
It also teaches that you can always try again, and start again whatever you may have lost.
It teaches that a man's life does not consist in the abundance of the things he possesses. Job had great character, and he was able to rise above his storm. He was able to maintain his integrity and righteousness in the midst of adversity.
It teaches us not to hold on to the things of this world too much. Many would have lost sanity if a tenth of what happened to Job happened to them, many will be down for life, many more would commit suicide. But if you hold on to God, nothing can really really shake you, as it were.
It teaches us that we are been observed and scored, both by God and the devil. And that not everything that happens just happened. There MAY be some other reason we can always check up.
It humbles us and reminds/instructs us that there are forces and powers greater than us, to whom we answer.

It made me wonder if we are mere pawns in an egotistical battle between god and his adversary...their contention was so that it interfered with and affected the life of another and in extension his family, employees, livestock and charities for the duration of their bet. So in essence it was not only the life of one man that was interfered with and I doubt those that were rendered as collateral damage were directly compensated for during the period of their own loss.

yes, we are mere pawns as it were. Realise that for your own good. man is often tempted to think highly of himself more than he ought to think. We are local champions, and we need God than we need oxygen.
Isa 40:17 All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Job's calamities only affected him and his. And in the broader perspective, he'll still get to meet his children in paradise, as he often sacrificed and prayed for them. The book of Job is the first book of the Bible chronologically BTW

Job 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.

2Sa 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

And the most absurd part of the story is that in the end Job had another batch of 10 children who were said to be even more beautiful than the last set. Would it even matter if they were not attractive or even less attractive than the last 10?...a child is irreplaceable talkless of ten...that loss cannot be glossed over with beauty.

Job 42:15 And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren.
There was no comparison made with Job's first and second set of children. You are the one making this comparison.

Albeit I understand that trials may exist to make one stronger or refine their character but the manner in which this was allowed to occur - to prove Job to the devil who was already said to be "perfect" - was pretty callous in my opinion of course.

your opinion remains irrelevant in the face of the opinion of the likes of apostle James and other precious brethren who have gleaned strength, faith and hope from the book of Job. Job didn't lose out in the broad view. He had his wife, his friends, his relatives, more possessions than he ever had before the test, and above a hundred more years to boot, with the finest in the land. He was the greatest man in the whole East, this man was the greatest of all the men of the east. A faith champion.'
Job 42:16 After this lived Job a hundred and forty years, and saw his sons, and his sons' sons, even four generations.
Job 42:17 So Job died, being old and full of days.

i wonder if the author of job was actually in heaven to record the conversation between God and Satan.

Sure, don't you remember? God authored the Bible.

Many people always tell me about the story of Job to strengthen my faith but I think it is a wrong story for faith.

liar liar, you never had faith to begin with.

Story of Job
-Job is a wealthy man with a family
-Satan sees this and wants God to test his faith
-God allows Satan to destroy Jobs family
-Job is also given disease
-Job remains faithful despite suffering
-The devil is angry and God is pleased.


Any non-christian that is not blinded by faith can see the obvious problems in this story

1) Satan tempts God. God agrees. This is contrary to what Jesus told Satan in the wilderness. Contradiction

Even kids know that Job was the one been tested here, not God. God knew the answers already, He's omnitoomuch, remember?

2) God/Satan murders a man's family (children) just to test his faith. For all the christians who agree with this, may the same thing happen to you. "do unto others...". How can this be? Taking innocent lives just because you want to test someone's faith. How would you like it if your children were just killed because someone wants to test your faith?

1Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

3) God replaces Job's wealth and family at the end. This is what is wrong with the bible. It sees women and children as properties you can replace. Can someone replace your mother? Can someone else take the place of your children? God allows Satan to murder Job's children and later "blesses" him with other children. Can someone shout allelujah? God is here with replacement children.

Job 42:13 He had also seven sons and three daughters.
Sentiments, this is not a REPLACEMENT in the sense of substitute, exchange or supplant. but a blessing. Guess you would have preferred that Job had no more children in the end to show us that his children are irreplaceable.

4) Biological warfare. Job's case is one of the many cases the Almighty uses disease to inflict suffering on others. When a militant religious group uses disease to kill others, do not be surprised....oh wait

Even the less deceived of your ilk know from the reading, who inflicted suffering and why. It's unfortunate your lord satan has chosen to have you in total delusion.

as usual, logickid showing his illogical frustrations and lack of maturity.

Ptolomeus: Ok. Ok.
So let me ask you something.
If I one day, I forget the moral and ethics, theft with impunity and killed several people regretting ... I, like David, Solomon, Noah ... surely go to heaven ...

(Where in the Bible says that David, Solomon and Noah repented of being adulterers?)

Not just to forget, you have to REPENT and then ask God for forgiveness in the name of Jesus, believing in Jesus as your sacrifice for sins. Before, it was goats and lambs for sacrifice, but now it's simply Jesus.
David for one was recorded to have repented of his adultery.

2Sa 12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

Psa 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Psa 51:6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
Psa 51:7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Psa 51:8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
Psa 51:9 Hide thy face from my sins, and[b] blot out all mine iniquities[/b].
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Psa 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

Ptolomeus: Ok. Ok.
So let me ask you something.
If I one day, I forget the moral and ethics, theft with impunity and killed several people regretting ... I, like David, Solomon, Noah ... surely go to heaven ...

(Where in the Bible says that David, Solomon and Noah repented of being adulterers?)

Not just to forget, you have to REPENT and then ask God for forgiveness in the name of Jesus, believing in Jesus as your sacrifice for sins. Before, it was goats and lambs for sacrifice, but now it's simply Jesus.
David for one was recorded to have repented of his adultery.

2Sa 12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

Psa 51:4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Psa 51:6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
Psa 51:7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Psa 51:8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
Psa 51:9 Hide thy face from my sins, and[b] blot out all mine iniquities[/b].
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Psa 51:11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
Psa 51:12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

Ptolomeus: Let's see:
It is assumed that the trial is conducted according to clear rules.
If to God, judging is a complex issue ... what can we expect?
When it comes to the complexity of the trial, you referred to (eg) David, Noah, Solomon, etc.. were adulterers and God did not punish them for that?
That kind of thing you mean when you say that the trial is complex?

i said frosbel makes it complex. it's simple and basic from God as it were. David and his friends acknowledged their sins and REPENTED, that is why God did not punish them.

i seriously doubt the christianity of the self proclaimed witch, and of the lawyer. As for the bishop, his case na for another thread and day.

manmustwac: Can anybody name a country that has progressed on prayers alone?Prayer is part of the reason why nigeria will never progress.

God didn't ask us to progress on prayers alone, the Word of God is complete and commands us to take responsibility.

frosbel: Repent or Perish is the gospel mate.

Repent = everlasting life

Perish = Reject everlasting life

QED


Don't make a small issue complex with church tradition.

God's judgement is not exactly what i would call a small issue. you make it complex with your brainwork, i am just stating what was said in the Word.

tidytim: I think that God has provided 2 choices, life or death

the wicked souls must be destroyed in the eternal lake of fire, otherwise the whole World would became some kind of an eternal hell.

But if as some say God will send people to hell for ever, what is the purpose , is punishment and subsequent death not enough ?

Any other opinions ?

how about 'is forgiving everybody and they lived happily ever after' not enough, if you can catch the drift. God's righteous judgement is settled in Heaven. Repent and believe the gospel.

God is not a man, when will men understand that?

we should pray about everything, and commit our ways to God so that our thoughts can be Established. We should cast ALL our cares on God, trusting that He cares for us. its a romance, fellowship, communion. But we shouldn't abuse that into negligence and irresponsible lifestyles as common in nigeria.

there are similar threads to yours, you should read them iguess. cain married his sister anyway, Abraham also married his sister. As at then, they were allowed to, there is time for everything as it were.

smooth tpia smooth.

same folks that would criticise and insult fashola freely, even though they do not live in lagos and are not from lagos, are here talking about who has right to talk.

frosbel: No , sinners will not be tortured forever, it's not in the bible.

Sinners will be destroyed in the lake of fire, which is why it is called SECOND death and not eternal torture.

Please read , when or if you have time, my article on the immortal soul and you will understand.




Any sinner who truly repents of their sins , loves Jesus and lives a Holy life is worthy of eternal life, another term is immortality, or we can say corruptible ( the mortal soul ) will be swallowed up by that which is incorruptible ( a new body ) to live forever, amen.

you didn't answer my first question at all frosbel. i asked if sinners would be tortured AT ALL in God's judgement, not if they will be tortured forever. And for how long will the torture last or how long would you consider godly torture.
on the second question, are you saying it is justice for anyone to live for billions of years in God's kingdom after living godly for just one month on earth, yet injustice for anyone to be punished for a billions of years after living in earth ungodly for about 40years? isn't that double standards?

go and meet them and believe in their God, that way you'll understand Him and know why he wanted or didn't want a plane to crash. i see you're left with no normal questions again, quite straight forward of you.

Why you dey shine teeth ehn Gosh, you dey advert close up? lol. If you have anything edifying to say go ahead, dem talk say ghost user, sorry sorry silent reader plenti for nl.

the foolish man behaves like the fool for a while, but the fool is the fool.

kpokute: You now judge who's righteous and who's not. God's vedict and chice of the righteous will certainly not be premised on Nigeria's dirty political developments, so Pulse, Ponder and Deviate from this path!

is the president a righteous man?

ifihearam: @image
Na becos of GEJ prayers make u write this plenty notes ni??
Na wa oo who get the time to read na

naija problem don complexcate na. one sentence no go do.

Just to comment on some wide and wild misconceptions on prayers and the promises of God, seeing the likes of cyrexx's post on prayers.

What would happen if we get down on our knees and pray to God in this way:

Dear God, almighty, all-powerful, all-loving creator of the universe, we pray to you to remove poverty in Nigeria and stop the suffering of innocent women and children. We pray in faith, knowing you will bless us as you describe in Matthew 7:7, Matthew 17:20, Matthew 21:21, Mark 11:24, John 14:12-14, Matthew 18:19 and James 5:15-16. In Jesus' name we pray, Amen.


We pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways.
Will anything happen? No. Of course not.

Jesus is supposed to be God. God is supposed to be perfect.
When Jesus speaks, he should speak the truth.
Yet when we look at what Jesus says about prayer,
he is clearly lying.
If you would like additional proof, gather a million faithful believers together into a giant prayer circle. Have them all pray together in Jesus' name that God ends poverty in Nigeria and stop the pain and suffering of the innocents . Pray sincerely, knowing that when God answers this completely heartfelt, unselfish, non-materialistic prayer, it will glorify God and help millions of people in remarkable ways. Now, we certainly have two or more people gathered together, and they have asked in Jesus' name, and we have not one but a million faithful believers who, by definition, have faith and believe. We have fulfilled every one of Jesus' requirements.

Will Jesus answer the prayer now? Of course not. Your prayer will go unanswered, in direct defiance to Jesus' promises in the Bible. In fact, if you pray for anything that is impossible, your prayer will always go unanswered.

If you are an intelligent, rational human being, all of the examples mentioned above show you that the God of the Bible is imaginary. The Bible clearly promises that God answers prayers. Yet when we pray, nothing happens What Jesus says about prayer in the Bible clearly is not true.

Please, get this into your brains, GOD IS NOT A MAGICIAN. God's acts are not acts of magic. In magic, you just play a particular tune or say the famous magic word, and magic happens, like a door opens or something appears/disappears, or some tricks. In magic anybody is entitled, all you need is to know the magic word or process. What to rub, where, when, how many times etc. Prayers is not just to say some set of words and bingo, there you have it. The promises of God are conditional and MUST be in line with God's Word(the Bible) and Will. If everybody will unconditional receive what he prays for, that would be utmost chaos. Then i would ask to be the president, and you would ask, and the other would ask, and God must grant all our requests. If i ask for your family to die, and you ask for me to die, and i ask that my house be moved to Canada, and you say God i don't want to see this third mainland bride again, this is chaos. The promises and the Word of God is CONDITIONAL. i can show a hundred instances.

Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Job 22:23 If thou return to the Almighty, thou shalt be built up, thou shalt put away iniquity far from thy tabernacles.
Job 22:24 Then shalt thou lay up gold as dust, and the gold of Ophir as the stones of the brooks.


Isa 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:

Clearly the scriptures should not be cherry-picked for our convenience. There is responsibility. If someone comes or some people come and say we pray to you to remove poverty in Nigeria and stop the suffering of innocent women and children. We pray in faith. Such a person should realise that faith without works is a dead faith. Besides God has given us the resources that we need, the brain, the time, the intelligence, and all else to get solutions to most of our problems. It's almost like asking your dad to help you wash your clothes, or tie your shoe laces. We have reached an advanced stage where such request may not be granted.
Requests are granted to those in true repentance and faith, a working faith, not a lazy faith. You cannot be asking God to take away all the poverty in your country while you fold your arms and don't obey the basic rules that God has laid down for prosperity. Those who obey God's rules for prosperity prosper, whether you are born again or born against, atheist, muslin, nigerian, arabian, american, swede, wherever and whatever.
Wisdom and education is key and central to prosperity. If anyone neglects wisdom, he cannot prosper in the sense of removing poverty from nigeria. Those nations that value education, we can see what they are doing. Hear what God's word says on wisdom

Proverbs 3:13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

Pro 4:7 Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and with all thy getting get understanding.
Pro 8:11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.

Pro 19:2 Also, that the soul be without knowledge, it is not good; and he that hasteth with his feet sinneth.
You can't be asking God to remove poverty and you do not have regards for acquiring wisdom. No regards for the improvement of the educational sector, all the political leaders are praying and are chopping all the money that should be directed towards training, research, scholarship, building of good schools and excellent learning centers, higher institutions are dilapidated, we are busy chasing rubies and storing up forex in our bank accounts.

We are praying God to take away poverty, stop the pain and suffering, but we ourselves have little or no regard for lives and property. We disdain hardwork and diligence and are more interested in the national cake share. It is diligence and hardwork that would fight your suffering and poverty. Look again at the Proverbs.

Pro 6:4 Give not sleep to thine eyes, nor slumber to thine eyelids.
Pro 6:6 Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise:
Pro 6:7 Which having no guide, overseer, or ruler,
Pro 6:8 Provideth her meat in the summer, and gathereth her food in the harvest.
Pro 6:9 How long wilt thou sleep, O sluggard? when wilt thou arise out of thy sleep?
Pro 6:10 Yet a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to sleep:
Pro 6:11 So shall thy poverty come as one that traveleth, and thy want as an armed man.
We love sleep in this country no doubt. You would see people who are sleeping till 11am under whatever guise. How won't the nation be poor. The whole system is slow to do things, and in a slumber. Even the NASS are sleeping on duty, and full of procrastinations and allowances for every shifted meeting, and you want God to come and help you remove poverty?

Pro 3:28 Say not unto thy neighbor, Go, and come again, and tomorrow I will give; when thou hast it by thee.
There is unnecessary procrastination everywhere. Bills that ought to be passed, judgements that ought to be made, decisions that ought to be taken, iron that need to be formed while hot, papers that need to be signed. Look at thee way lecturers and NASU are messing with people's lives and results, and you expect God to magically roll away all the problems of your country.
Time would fail me to speak at length on our corruption
Pro 11:1 A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.
Everybody is corrupt, even to the kids. There is no repentance, but you want a gathering to pray together and if nothing happens, it shows that God exists or doesn't. There is dishonesty and sharp practices everywhere in business. Thieves are been celebrated nationally and on the dailies, crimanals are vying for prestigious position and are winning elections. The next man wants to play the fast one on the other man, everybody wants to be sharp guy, very smart. Is that how it is been done in countries that you call developed? You know, God is not a partial God, anyone who obeys His basic laws would get rewarded. You reap what you sow, you don't sow trouble and corruption and come to pray for blessing and abundance. You don't sow nothing, and be asking God according to His riches in glory by Jesus Christ. Check up any 'developed'/prospering nation, they have followed these basic laws. they have been diligent, they have sought after wisdom, they are not majorly fraudulent, dishonest, corrupt people.
Pro 22:29 Seest thou a man diligent in his business? he shall stand before kings; he shall not stand before mean men.
Pro 20:13 Love not sleep, lest thou come to poverty; open thine eyes, and thou shalt be satisfied with bread.
Pro 21:20 There is treasure to be desired and oil in the dwelling of the wise; but a foolish man spendeth it up.
Do you see our leaders spending as if there is no tomorrow? DO you see people behaving without regard for the future and the coming generation, and you think all that would solve it is to prove if God exist, let Him remove nigeria's poverty and suffering? Unbelievers are even more deluded than many deluded 'believers'


Pro 22:28 Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.
Are we not a country that has lost all its virtues and values? Where is the honesty, hardwork, respect for authority, wisdom, and contentment that our fathers had? The ancient landmarks that even without the discovery of oil, without dollars, our progenitors were hardworking, honest and content. Were they into politics with do or die? Where are the words of wisdom, the parables, wise sayings and stories, where is the market where you could leave your wares and someone would still come to buy and you would meet your money. That generation is not far far far away, some of them are still alive. Just some years ago, if you had a post, you got it from the post office easily and intact. If you gained admission into school, they brought your admission letter before you even see it on some notice board. Today, we have to push for everything, you have to know somebody. Know somebody for your admission, know somebody to get letter of admission, know somebody for it to be sent, know somebody at the post office so that you will not get your letter after the second session/year of school, know somebody at common entrance board, nysc, know somebody to get anything. You have to push them to help you quickly in the bank, the hospital, governmant house, know your way(whatever that means) to pass your exams. All these is happening and you think God should remove poverty from nigeria at your request and agreement? ithink not. Please get your queries and perspective right, and read the Word of God in its full context, thanks.

thehomer: Sure there are. But can your God give you such information?
Your ability to present this information confirms several things at once e.g that there is some God who has all this information that you can call upon and he will respond to you. If you really communicated with your God the way you claim, it would be a "gift of the spirit".

na wa o. when even deepS and mk start to complain, i should say i don't try for you o. so you know of people who can give you such irrelevant info.go and meet them na so that you can understand and believe God. gift of the sprit indeed.

Two questions based on your premise for belief, frosbel
1. Will sinners be tortured at all in the lake of fire, if yes, for how long do you consider a torture of sinners as fair?
2. Does any believer deserve eternal life, is it just ,of God for me to live as a child of God for six months, die and then live for billions of years eternally in God's kingdom?

logicboy01: Epic fail.


What I think about people who believe in God;

-They have faith when there is no evidence and they believe what has been told to them concerning religion by people or books. I dont call them fools. I used to believe in God. They are wrong but not fools

you're a liar like the devil. Anything that any man has is given him by God. its not the birds making that they have sharper vision,neither is it man's making that he's more brilliant than other living things. What we are responsible for is to fear God and keep His commandments. Anyone who fails this single task is a failure irrespective of whatever else he may do. To not acknowledge the task at all is what makes you a fool, not your JAMB score.

thehomer: To be sure that you're not just deceiving yourself.
What does God sound like? If you asked him how old I was, will he tell you?

not interested in such info. there are many a folk though who can tell you your phone number, address, age, name and future. at the end of the day, such display isn't very important to your knowing or understanding God. you sound quite hungry to see some magic.

just wondering on your thoughts on prophet Jonah, and his likes.

you think people who believe there is a God, any god, are deluded. it's no strawman but a parallel, why do you eat their food, go to their schools, allow them to be your Teachers, why do you have such for parents?