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Dtruthspeaker:
Who does not know that thou shalt not kill means do not kill who is innocent and righteous?

And to clear the doubt for mad people He went on Say "the innocent and righteous slay thou not:"

Meaning murderers and adulterers and witches and evil children can be kllled. If only Isreal had obeyed the world would have been very very sweet and not been dying.

You're adding to the gospel, your punishment awaits you.
You wish you can kill us abi? No worry

Dtruthspeaker:
Romans 1:16; Luke 24:47; Romans 2:9.

Everything whether good or bad starts with Hebrews first.

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Romans 2:9.
There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of mankind who does evil, for the Jew first and also for the Greek,

What has these verses got to do with non Hebrews getting set free?
Do you think we're your regular cretarded theists you meet?

Dtruthspeaker:
KJV

Right…

Here you go…

Leviticus 25:44-46
King James Version
And as for your male and female slaves whom you may have—from the nations that are around you, from them you may buy male and female slaves

LordReed make I borrow your laugh small…
Bwahahahahahahaha

Dtruthspeaker:
You are just repeating yourself. I told you charity begins at home/remove the log in my eye and

So Hebrews must first be freed before others can follow.

Where was it instructed 'others can follow'
Lol

Dtruthspeaker:
Is there anything in this world that is good that does not have its opposite evil replica?

You don't have anything to say.

So which specific versions of the Bible are Yahweh written? Can you list them, lemme check them out

Dtruthspeaker:
Says the one who has no valid thing to say.



God is A Lawyer and He knows the importance of precision in Law and Law giving, hence He knows the difference between may and shall.



And I showed you that you are using Satan's Bible. God's Bible Said "servants" so you are in a different place.

And the fact that you are repeating yourself just proves how you have nothing to say.

Ah yes, Dtruthspeaker now believes Satan wrote KJV. Bro do you know this Satanic Bible is where these translations you quoted copied from? Newer versions like Living Bible etc all got theirs from KJV which was an official Bible at point, before many versions changed many things there to appear 'modern' and 'normal'. So you're quoting from Satanic verses
Oh my days

Dtruthspeaker:
And none of these said "and take slaves" or "I command you to take slaves".

That is a commandment of yahweh and he simply means 'take as slaves'.

I have already explained all these above so, you people have no thing.

Lol, its pathetic trying to find a wiggle room in this argument. Dude is now clutching at imaginary straws. Hahahahahahaha

Dtruthspeaker:
You are the one who is an insane person else you would have seen and known that I said your analogy failed to meet the case..

Read my analogy, it fits the case. The friend did not castigate the abuser. Neither did your yahweh castigate slavery

Dtruthspeaker:
As I always say, no one will kill mama snake and leave her children. No one will find and kill father bandit and kidnapper like Kachalla Baleri (https://www.nairaland.com/7551889/bandit-leader-kachalla-baleri-flaunts#120578722) and leave his children alive.

And thou shalt not kill means "thou shalt not kill the innocent and the righteous"

Exodus 23:7
Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not:

Which is we have have The Law of death penalty.



It said "love your neighbour" enslaving your neighbour is not loving your neighbour.

It said "ye shall not afflict ...a fatherless child". slavery is an affliction.

It said, Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil:". Slavery is an evil.

So you see you people have no thing.

The commandment states Thou shalt not kill.
Full stop. Don't add or subtract anything. Remember the storybook says a curse awaits anyone adding or subtracting

Dtruthspeaker:
The part of knowing that that permanency is subject to the full will and discretion of the master. Thus, the master at anytime can bid the servant go.

But as we have even seen some masters have been so good that the servant became a part of the family and even got put in his master's will.



Shifting the burden of proof to me will not work for I have already shown you where God Said all slaves must be freed

And so the burden is on you, which is why you are replied that it was only Hebrew slaves, to which I replied your reply by saying because, charity must first begin at home (remove the log in our eye first).

So thus, all these is a change of post and deviation from post.

No Road

Exodus 21
1
"These are the laws you are to set before them:
2
"If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything.
3
From The above it says Hebrew, not everyone.

I thought lying was condemned in your storybook, and Satan is the father of liars. So you behave like your father

Dtruthspeaker:
That is your Satan's replication of a Bible. The correct Bible said "servants obey your masters..."

So Satan is now writing bibles?
Satan also wrote King James, NIV, Amplified etc and other major versions. Hope you know the earlier version of the Bible was KJV and it bore 'slave'. Many versions copied KJV and switched it to 'servant'
Hebrew word: ‘ebed (also transliterated as ‘eved). It is commonly translated 'slave' in English, and that is what is used in the Bible.

Lol

Dtruthspeaker:
"May have" already tells you. Not a "shall have".

And this statement also shows you that they had no boundaries in enslaving. Anyone could be enslaved.

So of course this the first step of removing slavery which is by removing the log in their own eye first, hence why I told you "of the Hebrew first".

The children of the house must be the first to be free.

And as you can see by the time of the judges, you do not see any slave in Isreal whether of Hebrew or of other nations.

Lol. This guy loves clutching at useless straws
So your problem has boiled down to modal verbs. So because Yahweh used may instead of shall, then the Israelites shouldn't obey the instructions.
@ the bolded, in trying to dig your Yahweh out, you now dig your own grave
And no slavery wasn't removed in the bible, in fact even in the New Testament, slavery was upheld as shown by the verses I posted

orisa37:
I MEAN MEDVEDEV.
PUTIN HAS THE DNA OF HIS ATHEIST FATHER.
THAT'S WHY PUTIN IS SUFFERING FROM JESUSPHOBIA(JEHOPHOBIA).

What Is Daniil Medvedev Religion?
Daniil Medvedev’s religion is Christianity. Daniil Medvedev is a Russian professional men’s tennis player.

On February 11, 1996, he was born in Moscow, Russia’s capital and largest city. On March 15, 2021, the right-handed tennis sensation achieved a career-high ranking of World No.2.

Medvedev has two older sisters, Julia and Elena, who are 12 and 8 years his senior.

His mother noticed an advertisement for group tennis lessons at the pool where he took swimming lessons when he was six years old.

Aside from sports, Daniil’s other childhood interests included harpsichord and guitar lessons.

Source https://www.zgr.net/en/wiki/what-is-daniil-medvedev-religion-details-about-his-parents-ethnicity/

And if you could read properly, you'll see in that article I posted on Putin that he said specifically he's a Russian Orthodox Church and he still wears his church pendant his mom gave him. Do you think an atheist would wear it?


Putin Personal Faith

Putin has been keen to present himself as a man of serious personal faith. This is a trend that has seemed to become more pronounced throughout his time in office. Cynics suggest that the increasingly confident assertion of faith is part of a broader trend of seeking a nationalist agenda as economic performance declined. However, even relatively early in his presidency Putin had spoken at times about his faith and had already formed an apparently close bond with certain members of the clergy in the early 2000s, when his popularity was at its peak.

In early meetings with then US President George Bush, Putin certainly made much of his personal faith, showing off the small aluminium cross that he wore round his neck and making much of his Christian commitment. Bush was by all accounts certainly impressed – relating the account of the meeting in his book Decision Points.[xiv] Bush, of course, was famous for his own evangelical faith and it is entirely possible that Putin emphasised this precisely to win a friend in the US president. However, the story of this little baptismal cross is one which Putin has highlighted on several occasions and figures prominently in a passage from the biography


Source https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comment/2022/02/16/essay-on-vladimir-putin

Once more, stop this display of ignorance. Anytime I log on to Nairaland, I'm always educating some theist on stuff that is common knowledge. Why is religion so anti-knowledge?

Dtruthspeaker:
Where did He say "and take slaves"?

Leviticus 25:44-46
New International Version
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

There are at least seven passages in the Bible where God is depicted as directly permitting or endorsing slavery. Two of these are in the Law of Moses: God permitted the Israelites to take slaves from conquered peoples permanently, and the Israelites could sell themselves into slavery temporarily to pay off debts (Exod 21:2-11; Lev 25:44-46). The other five passages are in the New Testament, where slavery as a social institution is endorsed and slaves are called to obey their masters “in everything” (Eph 6:5-9; Col 3:22-4:1; 1 Tim 6:1-2; Tit 2:9-10; 1 Pet 2:18-20).

But slavery is viewed positively in Scripture well beyond these commands. Owning slaves was seen as a sign of God’s blessing (Gen 12:16; 24:35; Isa 14:1-2), and there are literally dozens of passages in the Bible that speak of slavery in passing, without comment. Slavery was simply part of life, and most people saw it as just the way things always were, even the divinely ordained order of things. And yes, in case there is any doubt, this was real slavery: “the slave is the owner’s property” (Exod 21:21). Both Old and New Testaments called for better treatment of slaves than many of the peoples around them, and the Law of Moses in particular called for better treatment of fellow Israelites as slaves. But slaves could be beaten (Exod 21:20-21; 1 Pet 2:18-20), and slaves could be taken as concubines (Gen 16:3-4; Exod 21:8-11) or even raped without serious consequence (Lev 19:20-22).

These passages are all pretty straightforward. One could even say that the Bible is clear on this: the institution of slavery is permitted by God, endorsed by God, and owning slaves can even be a sign of God’s blessing.

Dtruthspeaker:
As I always say, your imbecility does not make you see that this case does not apply.

Judah's daughter in law was in an abusive relationship and God struck down the husbands.

So, devil, you don't have any thing.

You really have problems in English language. At least I know you aren't in secondary school and any adult knows what an analogy means. Except DTruthSpeaker
SMH

orisa37:
YES.
WITH SOLOMON AND JESUS CHRIST THE RIGHTEOUS, THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE , WE ALL NEED GOD.

What do you need god for exactly?

MaxInDHouse:
You have answered the question but you only followed what was written in the Bible to give your answer just as a mathematician who gave the answer his teacher told him without knowing how to work out the solution in a practical sense!

We need God for just one thing: the PEACE that surpasses all understanding!

Paul told first century Christians in Philipi:

and the PEACE of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your mental powers by means of Christ Jesus Philippians 4:7

And through whom can anyone have this type of PEACE?

Jesus said:

I leave you peace; I give you my peace. I do not give it to you the way that the world gives it. Do not let your hearts be troubled nor let them shrink out of fear. John 14:27

Now listen to the sacred secret!

Right from the garden of Eden Satan has won the heart of majority of mankind he is their choice as ruler so it's his system of rule that majority of mankind prefer rather than God's system of rule. That's why the scriptures say Satan is the prince of the world {John 14:30} he offered Jesus a chance to rule the world with him {Luke 4:5-7} but Jesus rejected Satan's system of rule {John 6:15} that's why Paul could refer to Satan as the god of this world {2Corinthians 4:4} and John called Satan the evil one in whose hands the whole world lies! 1John 5:19

Anyone looking at politics for the solution to mankind's problems today can't have a rest of mind because disappointments will always come from all sides but whoever rely on what Jesus taught us about God's Kingdom will have a hope of a brighter future knowing fully well that Jesus has conquered {John 16:33} and that sooner he's coming to take over the kingdom (government) of this world! Daniel 2:44; Matthew 6:10

That is the only way to real PEACE, all those anticipating a better condition through politics will continue to experience grief! Luke 21:25

So if you want the real PEACE find the true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) today and let us teach you how we are always relaxed no matter what happens in the world under Satan's control! John 12:31

How many kids have you molested this year

Tboy222:


He owns your soul , your body, your life , yhe air you breathe, the food , air and water you consume, he owns your brain, and the whole universe, what exactly did you own and what exactly does God owes you.

No, Allah owns them

Penwielder:
There're so many people today that are following God only because of what they think they can get from Him. They tithe because they've been taught that that it is a money-doubling secret. They pray and fast and engage in all manner of spiritual exercises with the hope that that would make God notice them and bless them.

I hate to put cats among your pigeons, but if success as the world defines it is what you're indirectly following God for, you're doing the "wrongest" thing. It's better, much more easier to be successful in terms of gaining wealth and fame when you do it on your own than when you try to use God.

The holy scriptures tells us that after God had banished Cain from His presence for murdering his brother, he went out and built a city. Get this. He didn't just build a house or an estate; we were told he built an entire city. God cast him away, and yet he was able to accomplish such a mighty feat_he was able to birth and pioneer a city. That means there're so many things you can do without God. (Oh my God, did that shake some of your dear religious beliefs?)

Some of us don't realize the powers we have in ourselves; we don't know how much we can do if we're determined. And that's why we think we need God to be successful (please understand that the context of success here is material.) There're so many atheists, people who do not acknowledge the existence of God and who do not worship or pray to Him, who are proudly successful; they are owners of large empires, and the very people that fear and call upon the name of the Lord work under these men. So you see that serving God isn't a means of becoming successful. In fact, with God it's even more difficult, because God will make many demands of you. There're so many things He will ask you not to do, so many restrictions and limitations He will place on you.

So our service of God shouldn't be because we want Him to help us become successful according to the standards of men. Our service of God should be based on the fact that it is mandatory. That's the whole essence of our existence; that's why we were created. So serving God is all about fulfilling the purpose for which we have been created and not about using God to give us what we think we need.

I beseech you therefore to search your hearts and set your priorities right. Your need for God shouldn't be tied to what you can get from Him. Your need for Him should be founded on the ground that you were made for this sole purpose: to do His bidding. If you won't serve God genuinely, it'll be much better you go solo because you have more chances of succeeding that way. But be rest assured that all you can achieve outside and without God will only amount to nothing, and peace and fulfilment will elude you. You can indeed be successful without God, but you need God to find that peace that comes only by fulfilling purpose.

Rooting for you.
J. Ebute (Penwielder)

So what's the use of 'god'?

orisa37:
ATHEISTS DON'T KNOW NOTHING.

What do theists know?

orisa37:
RIGHT.
I LIKE PUTIN BEFORE BUT WHAT HE IS DOING NOW IN UKRAINE IS SLAVERY BEYOND FORGIVENESS.
PUTIN AND MEDEVEVEL ARE ATHEISTS.

I wish y'all theists would be a lil bit knowledgeable and smart, and stop displaying ignorance . Putin is a Christian, so was Hitler. I dont know what or who Medevevel is. Maybe it was an error on your part.

This is an excerpt from Putin's biography

Putin is Russian Orthodox. His mother was a devoted Christian believer who attended the Russian Orthodox Church, while his father was an atheist.Though his mother kept no icons at home, she attended church regularly, despite government persecution of her religion at that time. His mother secretly baptized him as a baby, and she regularly took him to services.

According to Putin, his religious awakening began after a serious car crash involving his wife in 1993, and a life-threatening fire that burned down their dacha in August 1996. Shortly before an official visit to Israel, Putin's mother gave him his baptismal cross, telling him to get it blessed. Putin states, "I did as she said and then put the cross around my neck. I have never taken it off since."

When asked in 2007 whether he believes in God, he responded: "There are things I believe, which should not in my position, at least, be shared with the public at large for everybody's consumption because that would look like self-advertising or a political striptease." Putin's rumoured confessor is Russian Orthodox Bishop Tikhon Shevkunov.

Dtruthspeaker:
There is no greater description of evil persons like you and your company than the-evil, hence d'evil and no greater description of a dustbin worthy person like you, than a bastard. Bastard devil.

Why don't use terms like Demons, Belzebub, Bephomet etc to describe atheists. You bore us with devil, Evil, Satan etc. I'll soon stop chatting with you if you keep boring me, bro

elated177:
Agents of Satan claiming atheists.

Yet to see any lightning bro

I'm sure I increased your haloperidol dose. Did you swallow the pills and open your mouth, to prove you took it? I'll have a word with Nurse Rosemary. We may have to put you on a straitjacket, or use electroconvulsive therapy

Dtruthspeaker:
I will give you 7.

1) Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shall not steal (whether persons or things. Exodus 20:15/17 expanded its scope) neither deal falsely".

It is dealing falsely to take a houseboy/girl for service which is what you told their lawful Masters (parents) only for you to turn them to slaves in your house and beating and evil treating them.

2) Leviticus 25:17 "Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy God:"

3) Exodus 23:9 "Thou shalt not oppress a stranger:

4) Exodus 20:21 "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger nor oppress him:

5) Exodus 20:22 "ye shall not afflict ...a fatherless child".

6) Exodus 23:2 "Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil:"

7) Exodus 23:6 "Thou shalt not wrest the judgement of thy poor in his cause"

It's just like a girl who has an abusive boyfriend. After r@ping and beating the shit outta her, the guys friend (yhwh) would tell the guy, "after 7 years you can release her", what happened to blasting the guy, telling him off that he's wrong, harassing him about his wrongdoing, even reporting to the police if possible. And then the friend turns to the abused girl and says"Please suck his dick properly, don't be disobedient. When he says jump outta the window, do it quickly head first etc"


Here are your fairytale verses about slavery

Leviticus 25:44-46
44 “ ‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves

Exodus 21:20-21
20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result,
21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property

Titus 2:9-10
9 Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them

5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ

22 Slaves, obey your earthly masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to curry their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord.

1 All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God’s name and our teaching may not be slandered

18 Slaves, in reverent fear of God submit yourselves to your masters, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh

Oh what a loving god cheesy

Dtruthspeaker:
I will give you 7.

1) Leviticus 19:18 "Thou shall not steal (whether persons or things. Exodus 20:15/17 expanded its scope) neither deal falsely".

It is dealing falsely to take a houseboy/girl for service which is what you told their lawful Masters (parents) only for you to turn them to slaves in your house and beating and evil treating them.

2) Leviticus 25:17 "Ye shall not therefore oppress one another; but thou shalt fear thy God:"

3) Exodus 23:9 "Thou shalt not oppress a stranger:

4) Exodus 20:21 "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger nor oppress him:

5) Exodus 20:22 "ye shall not afflict ...a fatherless child".

6) Exodus 23:2 "Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil:"

7) Exodus 23:6 "Thou shalt not wrest the judgement of thy poor in his cause"

What does 'do not oppress others' relate to slavery?
Your god actually told Israelites to specifically kill people and take slaves. He couldn't have spoken against it, unless he's a double dealing fraud

LordReed:
Respect bros. Surviving the bullshit and prejudice has to count for something.

It was gradual, the de-conversion. Back then in my med school while in the teaching hospital clinical wards , I used to wonder why there's so many prayer warriors in the wards but the patients eventually die. Lots of them. Plus I never saw an amputee limb regrow. I started thinking. All the questions I asked my fellow students were referred to their pastors, and of course, the pastors were patronizing but still couldn't answer the questions. My mom didn't help matters. Eventually I got my answers, and it was unsavory. Eventually the pain ebbed away, and a new me was born. That's why I got my moniker. Jae and Phoenix. Jae is a corruption of my first name while Phoenix is a mythical bird that rose from its ashes. I was reborn as an atheist

HISSCRIBE1995:
No!
In the body of christ we don't kill, we died in christ, came alive in God so that our death could work life in them that are held captive by head.
As it is written 2 Corinthians 4:11-12
[11]For we who live are always delivered to death for Jesus’ sake, that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh.
[12]So then death is working in us, but life in you.
We are imitators of our Lord who died that men might have life including you #1Sharon#vh.
It's because we love them that hates us that why you are still alive to post this, if your family were Muslims, and then find out that you have become an atheist, what do you think would happen to you?
You know the result would be death, but because as your name "Sharon" implies that you were formerly a christian or from a christian home, that is why you were still alive till today.
So you should know that you are living because of the grace found in christ jesus even though you don't believe in him.

His arms are still open, waiting for you to embrace him, knocking at the door of your, and saying" if you will let me in again my daughter, I will mend your broken heart, heal your life of the pains, and restore back the years that the cankerworms had eaten, and also make you see the one whom I destined for you. "

Open your heart to him my dear please! Please!

Have you heard of The Inquisitions, The Witch Trials, The Crusades, The Hugenot Wars etc? What about Christian Terrorist groups? Obviously you don't know, your ignorance is palpable.
When you read about them, come back here and remove this post.
I can't even say I'm atheist in my workplace. All those toxic people would turn around and hound me. My former hospital said there's no place for atheists there. So don't come and preach to me

1Sharon:
Einstein was a Jew. If you know about anything about them, they hate Christians and your new testament.

Dude is as ignorant as a brick wall

LordReed:
Someone that can strike you with lightning, don't try him o! Bwahahahahaha!

I was quivering in my boots the minute he said it.

BirtherOfKings:
Yes dear, now in Lagos..it's time to take advantage of changing your mindset..
Start by attending the church that trains you to be independent,strong In the Lord and put the devil under your feet..Winners chapel, living faith church is your plug
Three ways to attend:
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2. Come to oshodi bustop near army market waving your white handkerchief (5am-8am)

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Congratulations, your transformation will stun the world this year [right][/right]

So is the devil now under your feet?

LordReed:
I have been an atheist for going to 5 years now this year, if your god is swift, brutal and precise why am I still here? LMFAO!

I have been for close to 20 years. I need Yhwh's lightning to brighten my day