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Ken4Christ:
Is that what is your identify card. The world does not recognize that reference of date.

The World does recognize it. It's unfortunate youre not making any attempt to educate yourself because you're afraid of the truth.
By the way, whats on my id is 19xx, not CE or BCE. If there is anything else on yours, show it here

Ken4Christ:
The children of Israel of old only fought those who fought them. They don't go looking for people to fight or killing people at will.

They fight in revenge.

But Jesus has changed all that. This is why Muslims are taking us for granted. They know we are peaceful.

Stop quoting baseless history. Let's focus on what is happening now.

Obviously there are many Christians that don't even know the bible and yet engage atheists. Looks like this is one of the scenarios.
A number of cases of mass killings of people, apparently at God’s behest, are recorded in the Old Testament:

1. The Flood (Genesis 6-
2. The cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis 18-19)
3. The Egyptian firstborn sons during the Passover (Exodus 11-12)
4. The Canaanites under Moses and Joshua (Numbers 21:2-3; Deuteronomy 20:17; Joshua 6:17, 21)
5. The Amalekites annihilated by Saul (1 Samuel 15)

The first three examples are similar in that there was no human agent involved – in each case it was God, or an angel of God, who carried out the mass killings directly. The mass killing of the Canaanites is the first of two cases in which the text claims that God’s people, the nation of Israel, were commanded by Him to attack other nations. Also remember the story of Jericho. Did the people of Jericho trouble or attack the Israelites? No. They were just going about their business. Next thing, yahweh ordered the Israelites to slaughter everybody, including babies. An all loving god
Focus on what is happening now? Okay.
We have christian terrorists which I pointed out to you in a link, but I can bet you didn't open that link. You're afraid of the truth.
I also told you about christians that torture and kill children, believing them to be the cause of their problems. But you ignored that.
Islam is as bloodthirsty as Christians.

Ken4Christ:
You are lying to your teeth. Oya, tell me your birthday with reference to CE.

Its unfortunate you don't know all these things. Even when I corrected you, instead of checking if I'm wrong, you started calling me a liar. Here, cure your ignorance…

https://www.britannica.com/dictionary/BCE#:~:text=Britannica%20Dictionary%20definition%20of%20BCE,550%20B.C.E.

So my birthday is 19xx CE

Mystery9:
Did we Christians tell anyone that Jesus was born on December 25th. Stop saying nonsense, go and learn.

His point is your Jesus was a fake

Ken4Christ:
What is there to learn about Islam when history is before us. How did Islam spread to Nigeria and West Africa? Was it not through jihad.

And they just resumed the jihad.

Even several verses in the Quran instructs them to kill.

If the Muslims are not in support of the killings, how many of those who have killed have been arrested and prosecuted?

Where are the killers of Deborah?

Kano state Court discharged five people who murdered a woman in the market for blasphemy.

What other evidence do you need.

And stop making reference to baseless history.

The witnesses of what is happening right before our eyes attest to the truth that they enjoy killing none Muslims at the slightest provocation.

I was in Kano when countless hundreds of Christians were murdered in 1991 just to protest that they don't want Reinhard Bonkke of blessed memories to preach.

My four years study in ABU was marred with crises virtually every year of my study.

Please say something else.

Jesus is the only hope of salvation for mankind.

If you reject him, you will be cast into hell.

And from hell to the lake of fire for the rest of your life.

The choice is yours.

Again you keep dodging talk about the Crusades, which caused killed millions. But you can gladly talk about Jihad. Aren't you seeing your hypocrisy?
The Crusaders killed millions that refused to take christianity, over 200 years. I'm sure you know this but you're hiding it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/topics/middle-ages/crusades

You also forgot your Yahweh ordered the death of heathens and unbelievers.

Luke 19:27
But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me

Psalms 106:34-43
34 They did not kill the heathen, as the Lord had commanded them to do,

Many other bible verses where he instructed heathens to be killed without even preaching to them.
So, he's equally a bloodthirsty god as Allah

Ken4Christ:
You can't state your birthday without making reference to Jesus.

When you say I was born 1990 for example, you are saying that you were born 1,990 years after the birth of Jesus.

History is either BC or AD. Jesus is Lord.

No sir. History isn't referenced according to Jesus these days. We use BCE, (Before The Common Era) and CE (Common Era).
You're like a regular theist

MaxInDHouse:
Actually there are atheists who believe in God.

Find out what Jesus called CHRIST taught then you can convince any right thinking person that there are CHRIST-ian TERRORISTS!

Good morning sir. How did the child mol@station go?

Ken4Christ:
It's the genuine Muslim who kills and terrorize people. They are indoctrinated to do so. Their founder laid the foundation.

Islam spread through wars known as jihad. But Christianity spreads just through the preaching of the gospel even in the midst of persecutions.

Take away sword from Islam, it will disappear in less than 20 years.

Most of their adherents are held against their will. They have seen the truth but are afraid of converting because of persecution.

1. Typical theist. Obviously you haven't about The Crusade. This lasted from 1095 until 1291 CE. The aim was to capture the sacred places in the Holy Land from the Muslims who lived there, so it was intended as a war to right wrongs done against Christianity. The first Crusade was started by Pope Urban II in 1095.https://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/war/religious/holywar.shtml#:~:text=The%20great%20series%20of%20western,Pope%20Urban%20II%20in%201095.

2. Again its obvious you haven't interacted or read about Muslims. They claim the terrorists aren't real Muslims. Same way you claim the Christian terrorists aren't real christians. Live with it.

Ken4Christ:
No one has been able to refute those claims even the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. The fact that historical records revolves around Jesus is proof positive that the world has accepted that the claims are true.

Even you also have accepted that they are true. Each time you fill your birthday, it makes reference to Jesus and you have invariably submitted to his lordship. You have no birthday without Jesus.

Lol. Refute the claims? He who alleges must provide proof
You said Jesus rose from the dead but its only written in the Bible and no other historical books. The onus lies on you to provide evidence. Archaeologists haven't seen any empty grave of Jesus.
Please how is my birthdays remotely connected to your jesus? Have you been smoking that stuff again?

Aemmyjah:
This guy brain needs washing with hypo


1. A false website obviously setup by an apostate to malign Jehovah's Witnesses and decieve the gullible like Apeman jaephoenix... A fraud kingpin from a good home You need to visit a blacksmith to reset your Brain

2. Another fake site... We presented all the facts the ARC needed but people still distort that event till today. Well, fools are trying all they can to malign the name and reputation of the only peaceable and loving and most united organization on Earth. Not everyone likes good thing and that is why they will not say anything about other organizations


3. This guy is a fool. What has those people got to do with Jehovah's Witnesses? Three people were arrested for fraud. So? Small time, any terrorist that is arrested will be linked to us... A very bad fool is this guy... There is no link to even support his witch-hunt junkie

4. Mumu guy... Lies are for you na. Lies does to you are people of shallow understanding what bait does to fishes.... You are free to fabricate any stories you want...

So it was fake news that JW settled the victim, or what?
Or was it fake news that the JW Member committed suicide when police came to arrest him for his crimes?

MaxInDHouse:
The court case happen in your head shey?
In what state in Nigeria?
Which of the courts?
What is the name of the JW?
And what is the name of his congregation?
Ọmọ you're just playing a clown!

When last did you fake JWs mol@st a child?

MaxInDHouse:
Stop lying against the nicest people on planet earth!

Lol. I expected this. Morning, bro

Ken4Christ:
The evidence that Jesus is alive is overwhelming. He appeared to his disciples and to over 500 witnesses.

He also changed my life. What other evidence do you need?

1. Again, all the story about about your Jesus was found only in your Bible, and nowhere else. No history book bore his life and resurrection. What does that tell you?

2. Same way Zeus, Allah, Brahma etc 'changed' the lives of their believers. This scam isnt synonymous with Christianity alone but every religion

Ken4Christ:
There are no Christians who are terrorists unless those who just claim to be one. No genuinely born again Christians will terrorize anyone.

Same exact thing Muslims say. Lemme rephrase….
There are no Muslims who are terrorists unless those who just claim to be one. No genuine Muslim will terrorize anyone.

Does the above statement sound familiar?

MaxInDHouse:
Good!

So how far about the case?
What happened in court?

He was convicted. Your elders couldn't gather enough cash to bribe the victim aka settle out of court. Sorry

MaxInDHouse:
Walahi talahi you sabi pass sabinus!
So they made it a compulsion for anyone to swear in the name of the God he or she believes but then they don't believe in any.
What a contradiction!

Did you read about the part I mentioned Psychological Pressure?

This is the definition

excessive or stressful demands, imagined or real, made on an individual to think, feel, or act in particular ways

Its a way of saying 'whatever rocks your boat, but tell us the truth'

Aemmyjah:
If you go to the market and you see someone run suddenly
Another person does same
Then you run and scream, 'run oo'
You'll see people run especially the market women
They will be the ones persuading others to run cos THEY HAVE SEEN ROBBERS ROBBING PEOPLE AND USING GUNS

That's why you can't take their claims seriously especially the older women. You simply have to investigate
The Bible itself says that the naive person believes every word
You're very naive

So you think your elders that pay millions of dollars in settlement (a settlement they asked for, and not the accuser) were innocent, right?
Why didn't they tell the accusers to go ahead and continue the court case if they were innocent?

Aemmyjah:
Fools plenty for NL
You just want to make this forum uncomfortable for us with your lies cos you're unable to contribute anything meaningful and Max does not want to give you that 'drop of water' as the torment was too much

Lol. What a strong defense of MadMax and his crimes. So we were 'tormenting' him with the truth, right?
Hint: Never try to join the legal organization, you suck at it

@maxindhouse and @ammyjah
Your organization is a cesspit of a potpourri of crimes. I just took my time to sieve through the evidence everywhere. From rape, pedophilia, money laundering etc.

1. Money laundering
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/108089/watchtower-way-laundering-money

Minister of State for Niger Delta Affairs, Festus Keyamo, has described suspected fraud kingpin, Jerry Ikogho, as a brother and friend from a good home. Ikogho is a known JW member.
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/108089/watchtower-way-laundering-money

2. Aiding and abetting crimes
The royal commission uncovered a vast cache of files compiled by Jehovah’s Witnesses members over more than 60 years. These files documented allegations and confessions of the abuse of more than 1,800 children by more than 1,000 alleged perpetrators in Australia.
The royal commission found no evidence the Australian branch office had ever alerted authorities about any of the alleged abuse documented in these files.

http://jwemployees.bravehost.com/NewsReports/2054.html

3. Ponzi schemes
$700,000,000.00 were seized all over Europe. The four listed defendants and others were arrested. In August 2008, reportedly, Ulrich Chmiel and his two sons were convicted on PONZI-SCHEME type fraud charges. Reportedly, Ulrich Chmiel and Oliver Braun were each sentenced to 81 months in prison. Alexander Chmiel, age 31, reportedly was sentenced to 60 months in prison, but all or part that term may have been suspended. Christian Chmiel, age 27, reportedly was sentenced to two years in prison, but he too may have received only probation. Reportedly, even after the above convictions, three employees, including a female, who continued to operate AKZENTA AK, and who continued to defraud clients were arrested and prosecuted in 2008-09.

By 2011, 15,000 clients had filed claims against the in-bankruptcy firm -- totaling nearly $150,000,000.00.

One can only wonder how many MILLIONS of dollars the schemers donated to the WatchTower Society in order to establish and maintain their "credibility" with victims and potential victims. Those donated MILLIONS should have been the target of any "claw back" actions every bit as much as the money paid back to early investors to establish and maintain the credibility of the Ponzi scheme. Both payouts served the same Ponzi scheme function.


4. Pedophilia
The four are being prosecuted by the Pennsylvania Office of Attorney General for the following charges:

Jose Serrano, 69, is alleged to have molested six young girls in 2011. He admitted to these crimes and to a life-long struggle with deviant impulses. He has been charged with aggravated indecent assault, indecent assault, and endangering the welfare of children.
Jesse Hill, 52, is alleged to have used his milling business to attract young boys from his Jehovah’s Witness congregation, with promises of alcohol, marijuana, and pornography to his property for parties in the 1990s. Hill would later expose himself to the children, grope them and force them to perform MouthAction. The investigation revealed at least 10 victims of the abuse. Hill has been charged with rape, involuntary deviant sexual intercourse, indecent assault, and corruption of minors.
Robert Ostrander, 56, is alleged to have sexually abused at least two minors. He has been charged with indecent assault, endangering welfare of children, and corruption of minors.
Eric Eleam, 61, was alleged to have sexually abused a child and used sexual molestation as a form of discipline for that child. He has been charged with rape, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, aggravated indecent assault, and endangering the welfare of a child. When agents attempted to take him into custody, police say[b] he retreated into his bathroom and killed himself.[/b]


At this point, I just decided to give it a rest. MadMax and his crew are a bunch of criminals. The last sex offender Eric Eleam even committed suicide which even confirms his culpability.
So MadMax abeg talk another lie, your talk holds no water

MaxInDHouse:
No matter what they say as long as they're unable to find such in their community they supposed to sense that something is wrong somewhere.
Throughout the world today a religion is known for terrorism and it's not just the News but what is happening here in Nigeria so they can't deny it but News from afar that you can't verify within your community whereas members of this same group are within your community without a single person caught in the act!

And in the oversea countries where we believe they have the best system these people claim JWs were caught in the act yet instead of sending them to prison they're demanding for money!

I remember when many people were accusing Michael Jackson of child molestation the man never mind and after going to court they will ask him to pay because the cases are shady and his managers will advise him to pay so as to continue his career. But the day Michael died all those people came shedding tears and confessing that everything was lies just to extort money from the kindhearted man!

So let them continue crying up and down as long as they're saying there's no evidence of God's existence simply because they can't see him then their cries over what people say about God's organization is unjustified if they can't see a JW in their neighbourhood caught in such act!

At the bolded, stop lying, bro. Its you guys that go behind to seek for settlement. Lawyers who have battled the Jehovah’s Witnesses in the US and UK have said the JW organisation has a global problem with both child abuse and the way it responds to victims. The organisation drags cases out until the last possible moment, then settles to avoid a courtroom examination of its practices. If they were innocent, they would have allowed the case to go to court. But because of the excess crime, your heads secretly settle and ask to pay money.

sonmvayina:
I think we have derailed this thread....

The op set out to postulate that the other virgin birth prior to Christianity where the work of Satan. He did not deny the fact that such ideas has existed prior.
Well his argument that Satan was to blame does not hold water. One of the church fathers is on record to have said.

"And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter. "
This was attributed to Justin martyer, an early church father..

So he never said anything about Satan stealing the idea from God....

He actually gladly derailed the thread himself. He said the thread is about JW strength

oteneaaron:
Lol.

I admire your strength.

It is not easy going round and round in circles with you know who.

To even imagine that he as a grandfather, is defending rapists - the horror!

When they go to the court of law and win a case, they gladly say that it is Jehovah who gave them the victory.

When they lose a case in the same court of law, they call the same Lawyers - Liars and conclude they are working for Satan.

Do you see the double standard?

Well, it is good that the internet never forgets and everybody can see his true nature - a man who defends Child Sexual Abusers.

He's actually a sex offender, along with Aemmyjah. He has confessed before and said everyone does it (child mol@station) so why pick on JWs. The horror!

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ if you're banking on what the court says then you supposed to believe in the existence of God/Gods because in all those courts you're quoting they do ask anyone coming to say anything to take an oath in the name of the God they believe which means the courts has confirmed that Gods exist.
So why are you lying against nice people?
If truly you agree with whatever the court does then you should believe in God/Gods!

You're denser than density.
Courts ask convicts to swear not just by the Bible but any holy book(which may be bible, quoran, gita etc) which they (convicts) believe in, so such convicts would be under psychological pressure to say the truth. This psychological pressure would try to weigh on such person's mind as s/he testifies. It doesn't mean the courts, judge, jurors etc believe in any god.
This is the kinda lies they brainwash y'all theists with

MaxInDHouse:
Have you found one member of this godly group in your own locality caught doing this?
NO!
So stop lying against nice people!

Yes

orisa37:
That JESUS IS THE RIGHTEOUS.

Oh here he comes again. How are you sire? Have you seen any evidence that corroborates your claim?

MaxInDHouse:
Just as you choose to believe the stories of people in the news without being an eyewitness i also chose to believe the stories found in the Bible without being an eyewitness!

Do you know what this term 'evidence' means?
You can use the dictionary if you want

MaxInDHouse:
Do you believe in the existence of Gods?

Because there are records of eyewitnesses in virtually all the religions across the globe!

What is the definition of Eye Witness, kind sire?

Ken4Christ:
At the slightest provocation, you see adherents of the other region killing people. If Christians act that way, nobody will be alive.

1. Actually there are Christian terrorists, and they do kill many people.
https://www.salon.com/2015/04/07/6_modern_day_christian_terrorist_groups_our_media_conveniently_ignores_partner/

2. Christianity was built on blood and tears. From the Crusaders, to Huguenot wars, to Salem Witch Trials etc. All depicted murders backed by the church.
3. Christians themselves even kill with little pretexts. I'm sure you have heard of children who are deemed witches and tortured or killed.
So please always research before making some state. Thank You

Ken4Christ:
Which archeologist discovered his body?

Which other evidence do you need? His grave is empty. Hallelujah.

Is it every body that is discovered by archaeologists? Did archaeologists discover any of your ancestors?
Lol
Theist logic

Ken4Christ:
If not for Jesus, you won't be able to stay in this world.

Who are the people causing problems all over the world and even in Nigeria. If Christians behave the same way, do you think we will still have Nigeria as a country?

His teachings has immensely contributed to the relative peace we are enjoying.

Care to explain the bolded?

Ken4Christ:
You too will stand before Jesus. You can't escape him. The only one who conquered death which history cannot deny. But he wants you to be saved. If however you reject the free gift of salvation, you will face the wrath of God. And Jesus will be the judge.

Which history book captured his resurrection?

MaxInDHouse:
YES! It's all lies!
As long as there's no eyewitnesses, both the lawyers, jury and everyone in the court never saw it happen just as you never saw any God then it's all lies against JWs!

There are many eye witnesses. In fact some confessed and some Kingdom halls had to pay money