livingchrist: He is fooling himself, according to watch tower Jehovah can choose to know something's and choose not to know, so can we also say a part of Jehovah knows and a part does not know? They think we dont know their satanic deep secret
Genesis 22:9-12 And they came to the place which God had told him of. And Abraham built the altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar, upon the wood. 10And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.
11And the angel of Jehovah called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham. And he said, Here I am. 12And he said, Lay not thy hand upon the lad, neither do thou anything unto him. For now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son, from me"
When did Yahweh know that Abraham is God-fearing?
. According to your Bible, not Watchtower. STOP this lazy attitude to learning & addiction to spewing baseless trash..
livingchrist: Jesus is not a servant but took the form of a servant.
Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
I believe this is one of the most compelling truth about Jesus deity is Philippians 2. He made himself of no reputation, meaning he had a reputation, his reputation was not taken away but he willing veiled it. He took the form by himself he didnt has the form of a servant before taking that form When he took the form of a servant, he was made a human. Christ was took the position of a servant before he was sent.
Christ cannot be angel micheal because angel Michael is a servant, Michael cannot take the form of what he is already.
Before Jesus took the form of a servant he was not a servant For him to be a servant, less than the father he had to take that form.
Take note, he took the form of a servant before he was made in the likeness of men.
The Angels including Michael are by their form servants,
Hebrews 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Acts3:13. Revelation 3:12, John 20:17. Matthew 10:32 In heaven and earth Jesus remains the servant of his God and Father.
The YouTube video narrator is MISLEADING the public with FALSE information. The Bible says the war of Armageddon will take place here on earth, culminating in the destruction of unrepentant evildoers. Revelation 16:14-16, 2Thess 1:7-9. 1John2:15
MightySparrow: Why considering JW , the one in my family is a crank. What JW. Org made of him is a thing that I don't believe God wants In a man. I rather don't have anything to do with God than being a JW.
Bros, no be by force.
Even Jesus Christ was termed a "Cannibal" & "Bezebub", the disciples were not renowned celebrities in their community. Jesus teaching was termed "Strange",by the Jews. The wisdom of Jehovah is eccentric and foolishness to the world influenced by the spirit operating in of the sons of disobedience That you have personality clash with a family member doesn't mean that individual is wicked or bad intoto
Nicenancy: Are there Jehovah Witnesses here? In what name do you pray? Thank you
Ephesians 3:14-21, & Matthew 6:9-13, OP please read study and digest diligently. Your understanding of both Scriptures gives you better perspective of how JWs pray. Note how Paul ends the prayer & note how many times you see "Amen" in Ephesians chapter 3.
JWs don't pray like your Pastorpreneurs who shout with loud speakers & command their 3 deities
jesusjnr1: What makes me a liar. The fact that I repeated what you said?
You said this:
You also said this:
And i said this:
So if you said THE WORD was Jesus, and THE TRUTH was God's speech, and Jesus THE WORD said He's also THE TRUTH that you claimed was God's speech, shouldn't that tell you Jesus, the Word of God, was also God's speech?
So if there's any liar here between the both of us, it's the person who would say Jesus is THE WORD, but at the same time, say Jesus, THE WORD, is not THE TRUTH.
I don't even need to argue with you anymore because your own words has betrayed you and exposed your lies.
Jesusjnr dullard LYING John 17:8 "For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them."
John 17:8,17 needs no explaining.
For your mind Jesus is "words you gave me and I accepted them"
livingchrist: you have started looking for argument again, of course that is what your governing body idiots and watch tower dog teaches you. Is Jesus not Jehovah God? Next time read and digest my post else you disgrace yourself.
LYING clown According to Jesus, Matthew 6:9 "Our Father who art in heaven" & John 20:17, " Jesus answered: I am ascending to my Father and your Father,to my God and your God"
livingchrist: you are making noise, the glory that Jesus was given was what pertain to his position as the messiah not his glory as a member of the Godhead.
Mr LIENUS the Second John 17:1-24, Bros, where did Jesus tell your 3 Gods spirits shared the glory?
John 17:5 Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began."
22 “I have given them the glory you gave me" 24 "Then they can see all the glory you gave me because you loved me even before the world began!"
Yahweh gave Jesus the glory before the world began, Bros, Was Jesus a Messiah before the world began?
livingchrist: you really lack comprehension, christ did not return the kingdom he was given rather returned the kingdom that Adam lost to satan back to God.
1 Corinthians 15:24-28 , you can wear goggles and binoculars to see am well well
livingchrist: You like a drowning man holding tenaciously to a straw, Look at the verse you quoted compare it, with vv 5 and vv 24
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
@ bolded Jesus didnt say 'the glory which God had given him from the foundation of the world' rather the glory which God has given me.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
The difference is clear, Jesus had the glory with the father before the foundation of the world but in verse 24 it is the glory that he was given to him as the messiah or the messianic glory.
Hebrews 2:7-9 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him.
But now we see not yet all things put under him. But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Bros ,na your Bible you form you dey narrate not the holy scriptures @ the bolded Jesus didnt say 'the glory which God had given him from the foundation of the world' rather the glory which God has given me. The difference is clear, Jesus had the glory with the father before the foundation of the world but in verse 24 it is the glory that he was given to him as the messiah or the messianic glory" Quote Mr LIENUS the Second, LYING clown.
John 17:4-5,22-24 Jesus debunks your lies John 17:4-5,22-24. 4 I brought glory to you here on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. 5 Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began."
22 “I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one. 23 I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me. 24 Father, I want these whom you have given me to be with me where I am. Then they can see all the glory you gave me because you loved me even before the world began!
The day you will be able to differentiate between when scripture is talking about preincarnation and postincarnation of Jesus Christ is the day your delusion will be cured.
Jesus is LIFE, how can LIFE be granted LIFE is the question?
Mr LIENUS denying Jesus Christ and the holy scriptures,na today ? Mr LIENUS your dullard na overdose
Matthew 28:18 "Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth."
John 5:26, "For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in himself" Jesus Christ cemented your dullard overdose.
Truthissupreme: [s]The concept of Trinity in Christianity is a central pillar of what makes Christianity.
Some non christian have faulted this theology, in their opinion they ask christians to show explicitly where God says "I am three persons" in the Bible.
This is a naive concept to understanding the Trinity.
God is Almighty and the term Almighty means "he can do all things" however humans being believe they can subject an Almighty to express his litmitless nature with through their limited view.
If a human being for example tells an alien he is human and deals with him as human he doesn't need to tell the alien he is both a soul, body, and spirit (three persons in one) it is the course of interaction that the alien begins to understand the different composition of this human by himself.
If the Human tells him he would find it difficult to comprehend but can comprehend it himself.
Introduction
We can find the evidence of Trinity with the prophets who spent time with God himself.
Through their walk with God they must definitely leave us with the understanding of who God is himself.
Abraham was the first prophet/friend of God, then came Isaac, then came Jacob.
These were the patriarchs but God only revealed himself to Abraham as a friend and with Isaac and Jacob he revealed as the God of their fathers.
Story 1(Walk with God)
Moses was the First major prophet that God revealed his fullness to, so we would examine his walk with God.
Exodus 5:2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him "I AM THE LORD" (3) And i appeared unto Abraham unto Isaac and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty but by my name JEHOVAH was i not know to them
(Interpretation: Moses got a better revelation of God even to his personality that would be revealed constantly).
Story 2 (Evidence)
The Children of Jacob(Israel) had been saved by God of Moses from egypt enroute to the promised land where God showed them great signs at the wilderness.
God after performing all his wonders wanted the children of Israel to be witness by themselves that he was with Moses, God didn't send an angel he came by himself to Moses purposely in a pillar of cloud as evidence to the people
Exodus 19:9
And the LORD said unto Moses, lo, i come into thee in a "thick cloud" "that the people may hear when i speak with thee and believe thee for ever".......
Story 3 (The Covenant)
God made a covenant with Israel for the first time in Exodus 23 and immediately after this covenant in Exodus 23:20 he promises to send an angel (more like how Jesus said he would send a spirit)
Exodus 23:20 Behold "i send" an angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which i have prepared.
Exodus 23: 21 "Beware of Him" and obey his voice, "provoke him not for he will not pardon your transgressions" " for my name is in him".
(Interpretation: This "angel" must be very fundamental if he still needs to go with the Israelites despite God been with them, don't provoke him because he is a very important entity that has the power to punish those who sin against him. More like how Jesus said the sin against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven, Actually only God can be sinned against not man nor angel, further more this "angel" has the sacred name of God which is external).
Story 4 (The Angel)
After the promise by God to send this angel we hear for the first time in the account of Moses a conversation with God that begins with "He said".
Before now when ever God spoke to Moses it is reported as "And God said to Moses" or "And the LORD said unto Moses" e.g Exodus 19:9
Exodus 24:1 " And He said unto Moses", come up unto the LORD, thou and Aaron, Nadad and Abihu and Seventy of the elders of Israel and worship ye afar off.
(Interpretation: Who is this "He" talking to Moses to come unto the LORD, These are two distinct personalities here and Moses never received any voice other than God. This "He" is different from the God that speaks to Moses in a cloud, yet he is still God to Moses. He commands Moses to bring men to worship him afar off. This is different from the God that comes in a cloud to Moses alone to give instructions, this is the same God but different attribute that asks up to 70 persons to come up the mountain for worship instead of instructions. In fact i dare say that this was purposely done as a witness by the 70 to this new attribute of God as the first God showed his witness to all).
Story 5 (Encounter with the Holy Spirit)
Moses, Aaron and the 70 elders of Israel went up to the mountain as instructed and "they saw the God of Israel and weren't consumed"
Exodus 24:10 And they saw the God of Israel and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of the heaven in his clearness.
Exodus 24:11 And the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand, also they saw God and did eat and drink.
(Interpretation: Every one of the 70 witnesses including Moses and Aaron agreed that who they saw was the God of Israel).
Story 6 (God And the Holy Spirit).
It becomes distinctively clear that the the God Moses and the 70 elders saw was the God of Israel yet God says no man can see God and live.
Infact there are passages pointing to the incomprehensible nature of the God that comes in cloud versus the God the 70 elders meant (yet it's same God of Israel)
Exodus 33:20 And God said thou can not see my face, for there shall no man see me and live.
Exodus 19:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, go down charge the people, lest they break through unto the LORD to gaze and many of them perish.
(Interpretation: This was the God in the cloud that his presence trembled the people and they were warned could over come them to death if they saw God. But 70 people saw another distintive nature of God).
Story 7 (Moses Begs for the promised One)
Moses is begging God for the promised one, he is pleading for the one the LORD promised to send him.
Exodus 33:12 And Moses said unto the LORD, see thou sayest unto me, Bring up this people and "thou hast not let me know whom thou wilt send with me"......
(Interpretation: Moses despite all the mighty works God has done through him would be the last to doubt God wasn't with him yet he seemed to have realized God and his spirit are distinct entities but one God. He is pleading he can't go without the promised presence. It is clearly understandable why Jesus also insisted on sending this Holy Spirit when he was to leave Earth.)
Story 8 (The Angel is God's Presence)
The Angel promised by God in Exodus 23:20 is the presence of God which is another individual attribute of God himself that Moses and the 70 elders saw.
Exodus 33:14 And "He" said "my presence" shall go with thee and i will give thee rest.
(Interpretation: This "He" is the presence of God himself. Moses begged "God" in Exodus 33:12-13 and was replied by the presence himself which promised to go with him. Question is was God not going with Moses all this while, was it not God that gave him the task himself. Yes God is with Moses but his presence is a distinct God in the Godhead).
Story 9 (The Spirit And God are Two persons in One )
Moses replies the spirit of God that if he doesn't go with him he wouldn't go, the spirit assures Moses of his presence.
Exodus 33:18 And he(Moses) said show me thy glory.
Exodus 33:19 And "He" said, i will make all my goodness pass before thee, and "i will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee, and will be gracious to whom i will be gracious and would show mercy on whom i will show mercy.
(Interpretation: This "He" (Spirit of God) says it would proclaim the name of the LORD (two distinct attributes) and show mercy which only God himself can show).
Conclusion
The Holy Spirit of God is distinctively a member of the God head Trinity and he is God himself.
This revelation didn't begin in the new testament, the founding prophets of the Law and old testament have had relationship with the Holy Spirit before the New testament.
If you can understand the analysis of how the spirit of God and God himself functioned in distintively in harmony and heirarchy with working with Moses then you won't have a problem understanding how Jesus Christ completes a perfect role in the Trinity.
Nowhere in this relationship between God and the Holy Spirit did Moses encounter rancor or confusion, he worshipped one God not two (infact he begged for the fullness of God exemplified by his presence).
Jesus Christ wasn't in any of this encounter with Moses because it wasn't his role, he had a greater role to come play physically in flesh.
Even though other prophets might have had their revelations with him which i would also reveal to you.
My main objective is to make you understand the trinity existed in the old testament with the prophets themselves who didn't have any problem understanding it nor did it contradict their relationship with God [/s]
Fraud na Fraud. No Hebrew or Jew accepts the jargon the Original Poster typed there.
livingchrist: Jesus is the created all things and without him not a single created thing can exist
#objection# But God created Jesus first and then used him to create all other things as stated in proverb 8:22
Proverbs 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
*answer* proverb 8 is a poetic language describing the superiority of wisdom abover every other thing. Let's look at the hebrew interpretation of that verse,
Lexicon The LORD יְֽהוָ֗ה (Yah·weh) Noun - proper - masculine singular Strong's Hebrew 3068: LORD -- the proper name of the God of Israel
possessed me קָ֭נָנִי (qā·nā·nî) Verb - Qal - Perfect - third person masculine singular | first person common singular Strong's Hebrew 7069: To erect, create, to procure, by purchase, to own
at the beginning רֵאשִׁ֣ית (rê·šîṯ) Noun - feminine singular construct Strong's Hebrew 7225: The first, in place, time, order, rank
of His work, דַּרְכּ֑וֹ (dar·kōw) Noun - common singular construct | third person masculine singular Strong's Hebrew 1870: A road, a course of life, mode of action
before קֶ֖דֶם (qe·ḏem) Noun - masculine singular construct Strong's Hebrew 6924: The front, of place, time
His deeds מִפְעָלָ֣יו (mip̄·‘ā·lāw) Noun - masculine plural construct | third person masculine singular Strong's Hebrew 4659: A work, something made
of old. מֵאָֽז׃ (mê·’āz) Preposition-m | Adverb Strong's Hebrew 227: At that time, place, therefore
The word qanani has a host of meaning, the meaning of a particular word is determined not just by its dictionary meaning but also by the context or place in which it is used, in other words we must consider the combined words and its purpose to expolate its meaning. While the word qanani can mean, create, possess, to erect, etc the whole of this poetry do not suggest God literally creating wisdom but putting wisdom as the prime quality in all his doings.
The word translated as works is darker which means a course of life, or the way a person lives.
Can you take it to mean wisdom was created before God's principles or God's way of life, that means before wisdom was created God did not have any principle, meaning Jehovah was not God before wisdom was created, certainly not so there must be another interpretation, Which is Jehovah set wisdom as his first principle before others.
So wisdom was never created and if wisdom was never created Jesus who is the wisdom of God was also never created.
Feel free to drop your question in a civil way to avoid ignominy and derailment.
Digest this first I will be bringing out more
Is "Word" a person? Not at all. In John 1:1, "the Word" is a personification of a Being, in the same manner, @ Proverbs 8:22-30, "Wisdom" is personification of a Being.
Source: Biblehub/Biblestudytools a. [b]of God as originating, creating, קֹנֵה שָׁמַיִם וָאָרֶץ Genesis 14:19,22; Deuteronomy 32:6 (Israel), Psalm 139:13 (כִּלְֹיתָ֑י); Proverbs 8:22 ( חכמה q. v.)
Biblehub/ Biblestudytools says your claim is FALSE. Genesis 14:19,22 how did Yahweh possess heaven and earth?
Drug 32:6,18 how did Yahweh possess Israel? Psalm 139:13, how did Yahweh possess David in his mother's womb?
Proverbs 8:22-30, How did Yahweh possess the Craftsman called Wisdom?
1 Corinthians 1:24, is Wisdom revealed as a person?
Job 38:7, Did Yahweh tell you his sons were present & rejoiced when Yahweh created the Universe? Proverbs 8:30-31 did the Craftsman "Wisdom" rejoice after Creation?
Hebrew Qanah means [b]Creating/Originating @ Proverbs 8:22, Psalms 139:13 , Genesis 14:19,22, Deuteronomy 32:6,18 , Bros, don't shift the goal post Bros, Use your brain,if it still exists .[/b][/b]
livingchrist: Jesus is Omniscience, He knows all things,
John 16:30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.
Only Jehovah knows all things
#objection# why didnt Jesua know the time of his coming?
*answer*
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Jesus took on flesh and became a human, he was a little lower than the angels hence limited as a human but not as God. Jesus could at limit himself to his humanity only.
Jesus is the created all things and without him not a single created thing can exist
# Feel free to drop your question in a civil way to avoid ignominy and derailment.
Digest this first I will be bringing out more
CRAP !
You claim Jesus "limit himself to his humanity only", therefore this question is begging for answer: According to your claim at John 16:30, How can he know all things since his humanity limits him? Your claim made mockery of limitations of his humanity Your claim Very incoherent.
Your quote of John 16:30 Dubious.. directly contradictory to Matthew 24:36 Vs 16-18, the disciples expressed their lacking understanding of Jesus teaching John 16:19, Jesus knew the disciples wanted to ask him questions but they never put any questions to him Vs25-30, the disciples confirmed Jesus knew "all things in their thoughts" "and you do not need to have anyone question you" & they believe in Jesus..
The disciples never said anything about omniscience. The disciples words fall short of ascribing omniscience to Jesus Christ- Biblehub
Biblehub, your fellow Trinity devotees debunks your claim
Emusan: Jesus is Human in heaven....you can die now.
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Isaiah 54:17 "No weapon that is prepared against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that riseth against thee in judgment, thou shalt condemn. This is the inheritance of the servants of Jehovah; and their righteousness is of me, saith Jehovah"
Matthew 12:34 "Brood of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks."
Philippians 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Christ striped himself of all his privileges as God by taking on the form of man, so God giving him back his glory does not mean he does not own them, he only temporarily put them aside.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Jesus did not say the father should glorify him with [b]the glory that the father gave to him but rather the glory he had with the father. [/b]
Mr LIENUS the Second . Is John 17:24 in your Bible?
John 17:24. "My glory you have given me before the founding of the world"
John 17:24 ..Jesus Christ crushing your Fraud of human body glorified in heaven.
John 17:1-5, the glory Jesus had in the spiritual realm , he was begging God his Father to give him again after his earthly ministry. Father and son in the spiritual realm, Bros RECEIVE SENSE
Neimar: Leipzig go open man u warehouse of palliatives
West Ham should have opened the Varchester United palliative warehouse last weekend but the referees gave Pogba awoof goal freebie to help them get back into the match and claim 3points.
Ball wey done pass touchline Referees and VAR refused to signal throw in for West Ham... Match fixers everywhere.
Emusan: I've always told you people to stop using this line of argument, it's pure ignorance and fact lies.
No LANDLORD who is not an Engineer will ever CLAIM "I built MY HOUSE ALL BY MYSELF"
It's a shared ignorance and intellectual dishonesty to see a clear statement like that of "ALONE and ALL BY MYSELF"
NLV: The Lord, Who makes you, bought you and saves you, and the One Who put you together before you were born, says, “I am the Lord, Who made all things. I alone spread out the heavens, and I alone spread out the earth.
If God says "I ALONE...."
And went further to explain what He did by "SPREAD OUT THE HEAVENS"
Even Prov 8 supported this because the speaker clearly stated that it is God who was actually doing the work of creation and not THE SPEAKER.
To claim other being helped God in creation is to give God's glory to a mere creatures.
Hebrews1:2.. God created the Universe THROUGH His Son Jesus Christ, the first born of every creature .
Job38:7, all the Sons of God rejoiced at the marvelous works of their Creator. .
livingchrist: owning a house, having your name written on the document instructing people on how to build it, does not translate to building your house by yourself.
Note the whole creation was created for Jesus also and for a fact Jesus is also the owner of all things.
Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:.
For you to do something yourself mean you actually participated in the action.
Job 9:8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.
Job record that God alone created the heavens, no other being was with him doing the work. Both Isaiah and Job corroborated with each other. God alone actually created things by himself with no other being with him.
You go say you get SENSE Job 38:7, who are the sons of God who rejoiced at the marvelous works of creation? So for your mind, the sons of God were never there seeing the marvelous works of creation. Bros, Hebrews1:2, Job 38:7, Proverbs 8:22-30
johnw47: i called upon God to cure my illness, i prayed to God to cure my illness
there is no diiffrence there oh most unintelligent mumu fraud janosky
and once again post the quotes of all my twisting and lying that you falsely accuse oh son of your father and god the devil:
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Greek EPIKALEO Stephen never spoke the divine name @ Acts7:59. Continue DECEIVING yourself.
Emusan: To call upon is to get the attention of that person. Apostle Paul appeals the Roman Emperors for their attention.
*1 Stephen APPEALED to JESUS Christ to receive his spirit, which is what ONLY GOD can do.
So what was Stephen doing?
The Father!
And the same Barnes said:
*2 They stoned Stephen, invoking, or calling upon, and saying, Lord Jesus," etc. That is, he was engaged "in prayer" to the Lord Jesus. The word is used to express "prayer" in the following, among other places: 2 Corinthians 1:23, "I call God to witness"; 1 Peter 1:17, "And if ye call on the Father," etc.; Acts 2:21, "whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord," etc.; Acts 9:14; Acts 22:16; Romans 10:12-14. This was, therefore, an act of worship; a solemn invocation of the Lord Jesus, in the most interesting circumstances in which a man can be placed - in his dying moments." ----ALBERT BARNES NOTE
Mr Janosense hasn't proved that the word wasn't used as prayer in 2 Corinthians 1:23, 1 Peter 1:17, Acts 2:21 e.t.c
*@1 John 17:1-3. John 5:21,25 Jesus confession,he received authority to give life to the dead.
"Your 'God' can do NOTHING by himself ",Mr LIENUS. Stephen was NOT praying at Acts 7:59, Mr LIENUS. Stephen never spoke the divine name, Yahweh/Jehovah.
*@2 2 Corinthians 1:23, Paul says "God is his witness", not a prayer oo !.
1 Peter 1:17, Acts 2:21, 9:14, 22:16, Romans 10:12 (quote of Joel 2:32 "who calls on the name of Jehovah'" address to God the Father of Jesus. NOT prayer to Jesus ooo !
Mr LIENUS, RECEIVE SENSE .
The Bible hub Screenshot Greek 1941, No5.... Mr LIENUS roger that
5. Hebraistically (like יְהוָה בְּשֵׁם קָרָא to call upon by pronouncing the name of Jehovah, Genesis 4:26; Genesis 12:8; 2 Kings 5:11, etc.; cf. Gesenius, Thesaurus, p. 1231{b} (or his Hebrew Lexicon, under the word קָרָא); an expression finding its explanation in the fact that prayers addressed to God ordinarily began with an invocation of the divine name: Psalm 3:2; Psalm 6:2; Psalm 7:2, etc.) ἐπικαλοῦμαι τό ὄνομα τοῦ κυρίου, I call upon (on my behalf) the name of the Lord, i. e. to invoke, adore, worship, the Lord,: Acts 2:21 (from Joel 2:32 ()); ; Romans 10:13; 1 Corinthians 1:2; τόν κύριον, Romans 10:12;
Barristter07: Coming from a shameless Liar who said Jesus belong to himself . @ bold .
on the basis of the Fact that ALL Things are for the Father because Jesus through whom he created everything belong to him. . exist through his very own agency . On that basis everything else that come from Jesus can be rightly said as FOR the Father and through the Father.
The only way out here is to deny Jesus belong to the Father as the shameless Liar you are
1 Corinthians 3:23 , the nail on his spurious claims. Emusan Mr LIENUS
*2 Jesus is the LIFE itself, so how can someone who is life be giving life?
*3. ALL THINGS came through the Father. The same ALL THINGS came through the Son
*4. Only a deluded and lying liar will still find something OUTSIDE the ALL THINGS.
1. LYING LIENUS Ephesians 3:14-15 (Compare Ephesians 4:6). "I bend my knees to the Father to whom every family in heaven and earth owes it's name"
Mr LIENUS, do Jesus owe his name to His Maker? Who is one God and Father of ALL? Why is your Author/Source of life praising the Lord of Heaven and earth?
*2. LYING LIENUS . Ephesians 3:14-15, 4:6, your Bible has exposed you. .
In the words of Jesus, John 5:26, who gives life to the Father? Who grants life to Jesus his son?
*3. Romans 11:35-36, John 5:26, Eph3:14-15, according to your Bible, did the son come through the Father?
*4. Mr LIENUS, did the Father come through his son, Jesus ? Do you now accept that God spoke "the Word", into existence, into Life?
How did Adam belong to God? How did Christ Jesus belong to God?
livingchrist: this is incoherent, moses asked God what to do and God told him. The Israelites never told moses to save them unlike Stephen that prayed to Jesus to recieve his spirit.
Artful dodger Exodus 3:7-10, Yahweh who commanded Moses, is the same Yahweh giving his Son authority to resurrect the dead ( John 17:1-3. John 5:21,25), including Stephen.
Greek 1941 , EPIKALEO is NOT prayer to Jesus. Mathew6:9, Jesus Commands, "'pray to our Father" . Colossians 1:3. "We always thank God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you"
Enemies of the gospel, Nobody ever prayed to Jesus. No dey DECEIVE yourself
HigherEd: I wish Bishop Adjeman had returned the Ghanaian church without letting things get to that point.
Nothing wrong in splitting away from a church organization. However, there is common ministry consensus that when you do this you don't go with your current church resources or structure.
Business partners put asunder. Issa business after all. Which Church did Paul or Peter quit to form his own?
Emusan: They stoned Stephen, invoking, or calling upon, and saying, Lord Jesus," etc. That is, he was engaged "in prayer" to the Lord Jesus. The word is used to express "prayer" in the following, among other places: 2 Corinthians 1:23, "I call God to witness"; 1 Peter 1:17, "And if ye call on the Father," etc.; Acts 2:21, "whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord," etc.; Acts 9:14; Acts 22:16; Romans 10:12-14. This was, therefore, an act of worship; a solemn invocation of the Lord Jesus, in the most interesting circumstances in which a man can be placed - in his dying moments." ----ALBERT BARNES NOTE .
According to Mr LIENUS & Mr Barnes, Jesus is God the Father they pray to. @ Matthew 6:9, the injunction for praying ; "Our Father who art in heaven" No dey Mr LIENUS Bible Mr LIENUS & Barnes FALSELY claim @ Acts 7:59 means that @Acts25:11,12,25 ,Paul was praying to Roman emperors. Greek 1941 EPIKALEO is the same meaning. Not prayer to Jesus.
Who was your Almighty God Jesus praying to?
Emusan: @color See the hypocrisy I'm talking about, the same Barnes you called his authority for fraudulent insertion is the same you called FALSEHOOD in the same breath.
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Mr LIENUS in sifia pains.. The word "God" is NOT in Acts7:59, cry me a river. Mr Barnes said so. When Messi play ball go over the bar , make we lie say him score goal? Mr LIENUS, slave to eye service ..[/quote]
livingchrist: you are actually correct there are actually two persons not one. *1 The theory that Jesus is the father, and the spirit is false, it makes a mockery of the scripture and makes Jesus a liar.
The ancient of days that Daniel saw on the throne represent the father and the son of man is Jesus in heaven after his resurrection.
The father and the spirit testify of the son and the son also testify of the spirit. *2 If the father, the word and the spirit are one person then it would have made Jesus testimony a lie, since the testimony of one is not acceptable as truth in the law he hence Jesus needed the father to bear witness for him [/b]to fulfill the whole law. This was my first sign to know the father, the word and the Spirit are different conscious person not dimensions, aspects or personalities.
*1 [b]You have RUBBISH the FALSE posts of Bingbagbo, your fellow 3 pagan spirits devotees worshippers. Confused pagans
*2 Bros says the Father, the Word and holy spirit are 3 spirits/persons. The Bros worship 3 spirit deities, 3 Gods. John 20:17, John 17:3 says you're Confirmed pagans.
Christianity Etc › Re: Proof To Jehovah Witnesses That Jesus Is Jehovah. by Janosky: 7:08pm On Dec 10, 2020
address to God the Father of Jesus.
