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alBHAGDADI:
So your Jesus used a fake body to appear to his disciples and even posed like it was his original body. He was showing them fake nail piercings and acting like it was the original.

That Jesus of yours is not the Jesus of the Bible

*1 Peter3:18, Acts3:12-15. Apostle Peter saw it happen and related the truth but you wey your eyes no see am ,you dey yarn rubbish! 1Cor15:43-47. Paul says the truth.
A true believer, Apostle Paul says:
"Christ appeared to more than 500 brothers at a time" after his resurrection. ,did Paul say Jesus used a fake body to appear to his disciples? Definitely not.
** I challenge you to Show proof that Christ appeared with a fake body.
You're a confirmed LIAR.

*

*

shadeyinka:
Can you see how nicely you avoided the Scripture John 2:19-21?
Only to concentrate on another set of Scripture taken out of context.


1Cor 15:38-54:
"But God gives it a body as it has pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differs from another star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. However, that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither does corruption inherit incorruption. Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."


What is this Scripture saying?
At Resurection, our Physical Bodies will not be subject to Physical limitations. The same natural body buried in corruption is RAISED not REPLACED with a different body

If you are still confused, Paul says in verses 51-52 that we shall NOT all die but shall be CHANGED at the last trump AND those who are dead [b] would be raised incorruptible!
[/b]
1Cor 15:51-52:
"Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

1. If some will not die but be transformed, what is getting transformed? Is it their Physical bodies or their spiritual bodies?

2. How is this glorified bodies different from Jesus at Resurection?




Your second Scripture:

1Pet 3:18-20:
"For Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."



Quickened in the Spirit BY WHICH he went and PREACHED to the spirits in prison (hell/where the rich man is) as far back as to the days of Noah!
The passage isn't speaking about Resurection!



My post again and the John2:19-21 you were supposed to correlate your answers with. Please not the highlights in bold!


[b]It seems to me that you will rather obey the teachings of your organisation rather than the plain Scripture. John2:19-21 is elementarily clear and simple to understand: but it goes against your Doctrine.

Your way no straight.
Jesus body was broken for you ,he paid his body as a ransom for you and he came back to life with the ransom he paid for you?
Dubious Pharisees !
** After payment of your ransom with his broken body,"put to death in the physical realm,Jesus came back to life in the spiritual realm" 1 Peter3:18.
Apostle Peter was an eye witness of Jesus resurrection and MORE CREDIBLE than Shadeyinka. Apostle Peter is stating SOLID FACTS ! Acts 3:12-15.
You're just twisting the scriptures to form man made conjectures.
Besides, only spirits can appear and disappear at any time. 1Cor15:6.

*** You quote 1 Cor15:32-54 , wear your eye glasses ,read again verses 43-47, applied to Jesus resurrection .
Between Jesus and his apostle/ disciples, who first went to heaven?
*Jesus disciples go fit enjoy anything wey Jesus never enjoy?
Not at all.
** "Christ has been raised from the dead ,the first fruit of those who have fallen asleep in death" 1Cor15:20-23.

Una be confirmed Pharisees.. LIARS indeed.

shadeyinka:
First, you don't have the right to dictate that I answer your question before you answer mine for I was the first to ask you a question. You should have first answered my question and wait for me to ignore your own question before your demand.

Not withstanding, I'll respond to your post.

Here, I quote your three Scriptures so that we can read in context, then I'll answer your question.

Heb 10:10-12:
"By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest stands daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;"

How was the body of Jesus sacrificed? Through the shedding of his blood! The shedding of the blood cannot occur without the breaking of his body.
That is why Jesus said:
1Cor 11:24:
"And when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body , which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me."


Eph 5:1-2:
"Be you therefore followers of God, as dear children; And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us, and has given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling smell."

This Scripture refer not specifically to Jesus body, so, I'll let it slide.

John 6:47-59:
"Truly, truly, I say to you, He that believes on me has everlasting life. I am that bread of life. Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead. This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? Then Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh, and drinks my blood, has eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eats my flesh, and drinks my blood, dwells in me, and I in him. As the living Father has sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eats me, even he shall live by me. This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eats of this bread shall live for ever. These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum."

Except you insinuate that believers ate the body of Christ that's why no one know where the body of Christ is.

Now to your question:

When you give offering or sow a seed
(it's a sacrifice too)in your church ,
does your church refund your sacrifice/
offering back to you?

Can't you see how dumb this question is? Does anyone Crucify offering in the church? Is an offering buried in the church?

Let me tell you where the offerings go to: they never disappear from existence.
Some is given out to church members in need for their use!
Some is used to pay the Pastor's and other church workers salary!
Some is saved in the bank?
Some is given back to church members to purchase things needed in their Fellowships?
Some is used to settle utility bills!

In other words, the money still gets spent by church members who gave the offering.

I have answered your question even though it is very dumb and not in the same class or category. It was Christ who gave Himself as an offering to God not any human being. So, the church offering thing does not werk!

Now, let me tell you what sacrificial lamb offerings are disposed in the OT
1. The Priest could burn everything by Fire
Lev 1:9: "But his inwards and his legs shall he wash in water: and the priest shall burn all on the altar, to be a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet smell to the LORD."
2. The Priest could eat the sacrifice
Lev 7:15: "And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning."
3. It could be treated as a "scapegoat"
Lev 16:10: "But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness."

Jesus body was buried, his body was buried, his spirit materialised! What happened to his body?


How was Jesus body a sacrificed? I have explained it above. It was broken for us!

1Cor 11:24:
"And when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me."

Isa 53:5:
"But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was on him; and with his stripes we are healed."


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Simple question: The offering or sow seed (or financial sacrifice) you put in the church box, do you go back and ask for refund?
Definitely no !
** "The life of a creature is in the blood" Leviticus 17:11,14.
Jesus Christ body,life,blood was a sacrifice he gave freely. Eph5:2

God bless you for your quote of Isa53:5.
Jesus body "was bruised " and dishonoured for your sins,"our iniquities", ("Jesus gave his life as a ransom for many",Matt20:28).

##* Yet you been shouting here up and down, that the bruised, dishonored body he has sacrificed, and gave away as a "ransom for many", he kept it & resurrected with it.
Shadeyinka is pretending and lying to himself that he does not understand the meaning of ransom and sacrifice

** For example ,you go pay ransom money to free Mr Jide and that ransom go still dey your pocket ?


In other words, you guys deny that Jesus gave his life, body and blood as ransom sacrifice from bondage of sin and death. Pronto!
Nairalanders, una dey see all these Shade, alB Pharisees exposing themselves?
Oturugbeke !!!!!!!

shadeyinka:
It's too simple a question:
Very simple: Jesus body was buried, his body was buried, his spirit materialised! What happened to his body?

Please correlate your answer with the Scripture:

John 2:19-21
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

I will respond anyway....
*** 1Cor15:44
King James Bible
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a
spiritual body. There is a natural body, and
there is a spiritual body.
Christian Standard Bible
sown a natural body, raised a spiritual body.
If there is a natural body, there is also a
spiritual body.

**Study Bible
1Cor15:43-45.
The Resurrection Body
…43 It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in
glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in
power. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is
raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural
body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it
is written: “The first man Adam became a
living being;” the last Adam a life-giving
spirit.…

### 1peter3:18
Good News Translation
For Christ died for sins once and for all, a
good man on behalf of sinners, in order to
lead you to God. He was put to death
physically, but made alive spiritually,

**Holman Christian Standard Bible
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all,
the righteous for the unrighteous, that He
might bring you to God, after being put to
death in the fleshly realm but made alive in
the spiritual realm.

## New American Standard Bible
For Christ also died for sins once for all, the
just for the unjust, so that He might bring us
to God, having been put to death in the
flesh, but made alive in the spirit.

$** King James Bible
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins,
the just for the unjust, that he might bring
us to God, being put to death in the flesh,
but quickened by the Spirit:"

###** Encyclopedias - International Standard Bible
Encyclopedia - Quick; Quicken
QUICK; QUICKEN
kwik, kwik'-'n:
Translates in the King James Version four
different words:
(1) chayah,
(2) michyah,
(3) ruach, and
(4) zao.
Of these words (1) and (4) had simply the
sense of life, and this idea was in 1611
adequately given, by the word "quick,"......
To quicken also means a reviving, a
refreshing, an increasing of life ( Psalms
71:20 ; 85:6 ; 119:37,40,88 ; Isaiah 57:10 ). It
often has reference to the resurrection from
the dead ( 1 Corinthians 15:36 ) and is so
used in many places in the King James
Version.
** The truth is clear as crystal.

shadeyinka:
It's too simple a question:
Very simple: Jesus body was buried, his body was buried, his spirit materialised! What happened to his body?

Please correlate your answer with the Scripture:

John 2:19-21
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

Janosky :
"The sacrifice /offering of the body of
Jesus Christ" Hebrew 10:10, Ephesians
5:2.
It's a gift to mankind. John 6:51.
When you give offering or sow a seed
(it's a sacrifice too)in your church ,
does your church refund your sacrifice/
offering back to you?
** Answer my question first, the one above.
And this:
Hebrew 10:10,Ephesians 5:2, do you Mr Shade,believe that Jesus body was a sacrifice /offering ?
I will respond to your questions as soon as you answer mine above..
shalom Aleichem.

alBHAGDADI:
You are daft and a false witness.

Is the symbolic always exactlyike the real deal? When the old testament used lamb sacrifice to symbolized Jesus who died for us, did that mean Jesus is actually a lamb/animal?

So what makes you think Gehena as it was known in the symbolic will be totally exactly like the Gehena Jesus spoke of?

While the dumpsite in Jerusalem only burnt the bodies of criminals, the Gehena called hell fire burnt the body and soul. It burns the soul for a reason. Perhaps, what you are saying is that if we go to Gehena in Jerusalem today, we will see the souls of men there

Jesus clearly stated that Gehena is an everlasting punishment, and that's why we should fear God. If we fear men at the expense of fearing God, it means we are unrighteous.

If we fear men because of what they do to the body, then we will suffer what God does to not only the body but the soul.

You claim Gehena is where


Mark 9:43 NWT (Jehovah's False Witnesses BIBLE)
43 “If ever your hand makes you stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter into life maimed than to go off with two hands into Ge·henʹna, into the fire that cannot be put out.

As seen above, your false bie even calls Gehena a fire that can never quench. Let me ask you, is there still Gehena in Jerusalem today? Capital no

Then how come your Bible says the fire can never be quenched?

Shouldn't it be clear to you at this juncture that the Gehena of the new testament is not that dumpsite in Jerusalem. The dumpsite in Jerusalem doesn't exist anymore, so where is Jesus warning us not to go to in Mark 9:48?

Look, I can see that your daftness is inspired by your false believe of souls not dieing. That's why you are finding it difficult to accept the obvious truth. I'll end this argument with you because your intention is to derail the thread.

alB pharisee na today Jesus made those Gehenna statements in the scriptures?

More LIES and excuses of alB Pharisee !

Let the Facts be EMPHASIZED
https://biblehub.com/topical/g/
gehenna.htm

Easton's Bible Dictionary
(originally Ge bene Hinnom; i.e., "the valley of
the sons of Hinnom", a deep, narrow glen to
the south of Jerusalem, where the idolatrous
Jews offered their children in sacrifice to
Molech ( 2 Chronicles 28:3 ; 33:6 ; Jeremiah
7:31 ; 19:2 -6). This valley afterwards became
the common receptacle for all the refuse of
the city. Here the dead bodies of animals and
of criminals, and all kinds of filth, were cast
and consumed by fire kept always burning. It
thus in process of time became the image of
the place of everlasting destruction. In this
sense it is used by our Lord in Matthew 5:22 ,
29, 30; 10:28 ; 18:9 ; 23:15 , 33; Mark 9:43 ,
45, 47; Luke 12:5 . In these passages, and
also in James 3:6 , the word is uniformly
rendered "hell," the Revised Version placing
"Gehenna" in the margin.

FOR EMPHASIS:

"This valley afterwards became the
common receptacle for all the refuse of
the city. Here the dead bodies of animals and
of criminals, and all kinds of filth, were cast
and consumed by fire kept always burning. It
thus in process of time became the image of
the place of everlasting destruction. In this
sense it is used by our Lord in Matthew 5:22 ,
29, 30; 10:28 ; 18:9 ; 23:15 , 33; Mark 9:43 ,
45, 47; Luke 12:5 . "

** In Jesus time Gehenna was in use , in stark reality Gehenna was the place of destruction of filth and criminals when Jesus was on earth.
Jesus explained that what happened to filth and criminals in Gehenna will happen to wicked people in future..
2Thess1:7-9 "Disobedient and wicked people will suffer the punishment of everlasting destruction" as it was in Gehenna.

** alB Pharisee, answer my 3 questions below wey you dey dodge...

alB Pharisees, Jerusalem's filth and
dead criminals dey torment in Gehenna?
Is Gehenna a place of torment?
Was anyone ever tormented in Gehenna ?

$$$ Gehenna is NOT a place of perpetual,
everlasting torment, that's what Jesus is
saying.
Jesus Christ was not even talking about
hellfire,it doesn't exist !###

Emusan:
So what happened to other HUMAN BODIES your Jesus used to deceive his disciples?

Are they for sacrifice too

What happened to human bodies that God's angel used to appear to Paul and Silas in prison? and appear to Abraham, and Gideon?
Answer am.
Spirits possess supernatural power to appear to man in any human form he choose.
Receive sense.

shadeyinka:
No one ever disputed that.
In the old testament, almost every reference to hell means the grave or the place where the dead goes(sheol) or a place of sorrow depending on the context.

In the new testament none of the reference to hell refer to the grave but a place of torment and punishment.

The problem is that JW wish to hide the fact that hell exists so they put all reference to hell to mean grave. That is very wrong.

Can you find a single new testament verse that calls or describes hell as the grave?

Mar 9:43:
"And if your hand offend you, cut it off: it is better for you to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:"

In JW dictionary, does fire burn in the grave!?

Your ignorance is bliss. just continue to deceive yourselves.

Lying Pharisee dey give more lame excuses !
The truth MUST prevail .....

https://biblehub.com/topical/g/gehenna.htm

Easton's Bible Dictionary
(originally Ge bene Hinnom; i.e., "the valley
of
the sons of Hinnom" , a deep, narrow glen to
the south of Jerusalem, where the idolatrous
Jews offered their children in sacrifice to
Molech ( 2 Chronicles 28:3 ; 33:6 ; Jeremiah
7:31 ; 19:2 -6). This valley afterwards
became the common receptacle for all the refuse of
the city. Here the dead bodies of animals
and
of criminals, and all kinds of filth, were cast
and consumed by fire kept always burning.
It thus in process of time became the
image of the place of everlasting destruction. In this
sense it is used by our Lord in Matthew
5:22 ,29, 30; 10:28 ; 18:9 ; 23:15 , 33; Mark
9:43 ,45,47; Luke 12:5 . In these passages, and also in James 3:6 , the word is uniformly
rendered "hell," the Revised Version placing
"Gehenna" in the margin.

Shadeyinka quotes Mark 9:43 KJV from a misleading translation to support a scam.
Jesus was not even talking about hellfire, it simply doesn't exist in Mark9:43.

shadeyinka:
My question to you is, What happened to Jesus's real body?

"The sacrifice /offering of the body of Jesus Christ" Hebrew 10:10, Ephesians 5:2.
It's a gift to mankind. John 6:51.

When you give offering or sow a seed (it's a sacrifice too)in your church , does your church refund your sacrifice/offering back to you?
I don't need to remind you about it's ramifications.

Emusan:
You can even mention me in this nonsensical post!

Imagine, Jesus is borrowing different bodies to deceive His disciples and this sounds rational to your fable mind.

You people will claim Angels materialised but the simple question you can't answer anytime such is being discussed is:

Were they fully human when materialised or the human nature covered their spirit nature?

When angels visited Abraham, Lot and Gideon, did they stop being spirits?
Emusan, if an angel of God visits you today, is that angel still a spirit?
Thats your JAMB question.
Answer am .

** In the past, angels use human bodies on earth to visit men of God is not to deceive, but when the resurrected life giving spirit Jesus Christ used different human bodies at different times which the scriptures confirm, his disciples couldn't recognize him, to Emusan Pharisee, that's "to deceive"...
You no like the truth, it's in your nature.

alBHAGDADI:
You just want to argue to save face after you've been exposed.

I ask, what's the difference between what God can do and what man can do, if they both can kill and dump in Gehena? According to you, Gehena only means that refuse dumpsite in Jerusalem. You even foolishly stated that criminals were burnt there. Isn't that the same act you say God does? So clearly, you've equated man's ability to God's ability.

Let me make it clear for you.

1.) God kills and dumps in Gehena (Refuse dumpsite in Jerusalem according to you).

2. ) Man killed criminals and dumps them in the same Gehena (Refuse dumpsite in Jerusalem according to you).

So tell me, what's the difference in what both can do? No difference at all. According to you, man can also dump in Gehena which means Jesus lied when he said only God can dump in Gehena.

The key here is that the Gehena man can kill and dump in is the dumpsite in Jerusalem. But the Gehena God dumps in is hell fire which man can't do.

So Gehena in Jerusalem was symbolic of what will happen to the wicked in hell fire.

alB Pharisee no dey talk like who get sense.

Crooked Pharisees, Jerusalem's filth and dead criminals dey torment in Gehenna?
Is Gehenna a place of torment?
Was anyone ever tormented in Gehenna ?

Gehenna is NOT a place of perpetual, everlasting torment, that's what Jesus is saying.
Jesus Christ was not even talking about hellfire,it doesn't exist !
Gehenna is a symbol of destruction.
Your hellfire is NOT Gehenna.
Hellfire is a man made scam .

alBHAGDADI:
Your foolish self couldn't even see in the link you gave that the Bible gave gehena as the abode of punishment for the wicked. That's it's new testament meaning which was symbolized by its old testament meaning.

In the old testament, it was the valley where different things got burnt. In the new testament, Jesus used it as a representation of what will happen to the wicked i.e they will burn in hell like this things got burnt in Gehena.

If you foolishly mistake the symbolic for the actual, then what you've said is that God will kill and dump the body in Gehena as symbolized in the old. Can you now tell me that that is something common men can't do too?

But clearly, common men can kill and dump in the symbolic Gehena which might still exist in Jerusalem today. But only God can kill and dump in hell fire which was symbolically represented by Gehena.

false doctrine of alBAaGDADI exposed!
Lying Pharisee dey give more lame excuses !
https://biblehub.com/topical/g/
gehenna.htm
Easton's Bible Dictionary
(originally Ge bene Hinnom; i.e., "the valley of
the sons of Hinnom", a deep, narrow glen to
the south of Jerusalem, where the idolatrous
Jews offered their children in sacrifice to
Molech ( 2 Chronicles 28:3 ; 33:6 ; Jeremiah
7:31 ; 19:2 -6). This valley afterwards became
the common receptacle for all the refuse of
the city. Here the dead bodies of animals and
of criminals, and all kinds of filth, were cast
and consumed by fire kept always burning. It
thus in process of time became the image of
the place of everlasting destruction. In this
sense it is used by our Lord in Matthew 5:22 ,
29, 30; 10:28 ; 18:9 ; 23:15 , 33; Mark 9:43 ,
45, 47; Luke 12:5 . In these passages, and
also in James 3:6 , the word is uniformly
rendered "hell," the Revised Version placing
"Gehenna" in the margin.



##### alBAGDADI, it seems you can read but you don't understand what you have read.

Gehenna was a place of destruction of filth and dead criminals, they are burnt to ashes. They seize to exist.
Jesus said Gehenna conveys an image of the destruction of the wicked.
alB Pharisee, you come here dey lie.
Your hellfire is a place of perpetual torment of immortal souls.

** There is a big disconnect between your Hellfire and the words of Jesus.

alBHAGDADI:
This one has been defeated. He's now clutching at straws so he won't sink.

Was biblehub.com inspired by God or men? You are now depending on men to explain the Bible for you, same way you depend on watchtower for everything bible. Well, that is what happens to people without the holy spirit.

Mind you, nothing you said defeated me. Even reading your post shows you got totally defeated, that's why you couldn't come up with any sensible defence. You now had to refer me to biblehub which is more like referring me to JW.org.

Go and sleep. The world can see your false doctrine clearly exposed.

Make una come and see lying Pharisee dey give lame excuses !

https://biblehub.com/topical/g/
gehenna.htm
**Also, "19 bible verses about
Gehenna.",this is a little helpful but not
comprehensive.
https://bible.knowing-Jesus.com/
topics/Gehenna.
Greek Gehenna is the Hebrew
"Gehinnom" or the "valley of the sons
of hinnom".
Go and liberate yourself or you're lost
forever. The choice is yours.
That's the truth you're running away from but it's still chasing you and expose your mumu and junky lies.

shadeyinka:
You and the Moslems are one in this regard. If Jesus resurrected with his spiritual body, what happened to his physical body? You don't know the answer!

If it was the spirit of Jesus that materialized, you must know what happened to His body!

Moreover the bible explicitly said that Jesus rose from the dead and not that Jesus body materialized from his spirit.

Acts 10:41:
"Not to all the people, but to witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead."
Jesus rose from the dead just like Lazarus rose from the dead.

Resurrection of the dead is not a spiritual Resurection bod a Physical Resurection. Hence Jesus resurrection was physically
1Cor 15:12-13:
"Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead , how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:"

Note: Jesus rose from the dead: it's English rose, rise, stood up

Jesus died in the physical realm and rose up in the spiritual realm, Mr shade.
1pet3:18
***** Contemporary English Version
Christ died once for our sins. An innocent
person died for those who are guilty. Christ
did this to bring you to God, when his body
was put to death and his spirit was made
alive.

#### Good News Translation
For Christ died for sins once and for all, a
good man on behalf of sinners, in order to
lead you to God. He was put to death
physically, but made alive spiritually,


$$$ * Holman Christian Standard Bible
For Christ also suffered for sins once for all,
the righteous for the unrighteous, that He
might bring you to God, after being put to
death in the fleshly realm but made alive in
the spiritual realm.

*** 1Cor15:12-13 is a concrete assurance of the resurrection hope. But the verses never said HOW resurrection will take place, pls don't twist it.

*** 1Cor15:32-50 reveals the HOW of resurection ,how it will take place.
Specifically to Jesus, vs42-47...
* * Jesus the last Adam was resurrected as a spirit, a life giving spirit by his ransom, sacrificial offering of his perfect body/blood/life (Heb9:28. Lev17:14)

alBHAGDADI:
Let's see whose post is idotic.

Let's assume the word HELL as seen in the King James verse below is a refuse dumpsite in Jerusalem as you claim.


Luke 12:4-5 KJV
4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.


Jesus said we shouldn't be afraid of those who can only kill the body but can't do further. He went ahead to warn us to fear God who can kill and cast the dead in hell.

But according to you, the word is wrongly translated hell instead of a refuse dumpsite in Jerusalem. That means God has the power to kill and dump the dead in the refuse dumpsite in Jerusalem.

Now, tell me, is that not also something humans can do too? Can't a Jerusalem man kill someone and dump the dead body in the refuse dumpsite in Jerusalem?

Youve clearly stated that there's nothing special about what Jesus said. You've also equated man with God by saying man can also kill and dump in a refuse dumpsite in Jerusalem.

However, the true translation is hell which is hell fire. Man can kill but can't dump the dead in hell. Only God can kill and dump the dead in hell.

Can you see how idiotic your post is?

The King James Version just defeated you.

By the way, address the OP, cos this thread isn't a iut Bible versions.

How long will alBAGDADI continue with his idiotic post and junk?
Eee done tayy wey sense comot from you.... Seriously, you just have to look for the place to buy it to replace what you have lost.
Aside the info about Gehenna on the Jw.org, the biblehub.com gives comprehensive info on Gehenna.
albagdadi go ahead, study and liberate yourself from mumu, satanic junk.John8:32.

https://biblehub.com/topical/g/gehenna.htm

**Also, "19 bible verses about Gehenna.",this is a little helpful but not comprehensive.
https://bible.knowing-Jesus.com/topics/Gehenna.

Greek Gehenna is the Hebrew "Gehinnom" or the "valley of the sons of hinnom".

Go and liberate yourself or you're lost forever. The choice is yours.

alBHAGDADI:
You are a pile load of contradictions. Now you want to go back to the Greek word as if you were born Greek. Funny enough, you have run to another Bible version to validate your lies. I have a thread below which shows clearly that all other Bible version s except the King James Version are Satan's work.

https://www.nairaland.com/4957299/bible-sword-butter-knife-why

Here you are saying Jesus resurrected in a spiritual body which can't be touched and is ot physical. How come he was seen of so many disciples and even touched? He even said he is not a spirit but flesh and bones, and he also beckoned on Thomas to touch him.

Yet you say he wasn't physical but spiritual. You are a joke

Very idiotic post.
Greek is the original source for new testament (NT), the true meaning of any word in NT is in Greek meaning, not the fake stuff in English KJV. For instance, Luke12:5 &"Matt10:28, Greek Gehenna (refuse dump site in Jerusalem), KJV change it to "hell/hellfire". That's wrong and misleading.

You have some things to hide, that is why you dey fear Greek language like pikin wey him Mama catch am dey thief meat inside soup pot.

*** Why are you so daft?
Spirits such as angels and even demons possess supernatural powers to materialise (they change and appear to man in human bodies) in any form or shape they want.
For instance, Lot hosted two angels who appeared in human bodies (Gen19:1,2).
Gideon had an angelic visitation (Judges 6:11,12). How come?
All these angels simply materialised (appeared ) in human body!
Does that mean these angels were not spirits? alBAGDADI et al answer that question!

** John20:14,why did Mary Magdalene not recognize Jesus after his resurrection?
**%% Luke24:13-16 why did his disciples not recognize Jesus on their trip to Emmaus?
And again, Luke24:36,37 why no recognition of Jesus when he appeared to them in the house ?
No wounds, no nail marks on Jesus at all!

** Thomas had doubts(John20:25), and to erase his doubts, Jesus obliged him "put your finger here" ,he appears in a body with wounds and nail marks.(vs26,27).

** Uncomfortable truth to alBAGDADI, jnr Pharisee, emusan ,shadeyinka et al:
On these separate occasions, Jesus Christ NEVER appeared to his disciples in the body with which he died and was buried.
Shikena !!!!

Barristter07:
You can have your way, I know that's too complicated for you to answer .



The more I discuss with you, the more I realize how much you have been brainwashed, when KJV was busy calling holy spirit " it " , its all right , what else can I expect from someone who doesn't know if his god the holy spirit knows the day or not.

Shadeyinka,jnr Pharisee,emusan and their crew will always wallow in their blissful half baked theories until they can distinguish the different shades of meaning of the Greek words for "spirit",the source of their confusion on this thread.
Once they find out, they won't be on NL to argue blindly .

titigenius:
also the lack of faith by those who desire miracles and sometimes those who wish to minister miracles
i witnessed a case where a minister desired a miracle for a young dumb girl but from his words and expressions i could tell he was floating with his faith, long story short for a moment a few words out but the miracle was not sustained not because our creator is handicapped but the floating faith displeased him

So, you wey get the faith couldn't step in and assist your comrade to do it.
When una choreographed theatrics fall yakata ,you begin to give dumb excuses....

Maximus69:
You're welcome to our thread Mr solite3,
These are the rules guiding each participant.
So if you're interested in participating, please

¤Present your religious beliefs.
¤The practical applications thereof. And
¤The benefits for those adhering to your beliefs.

Once again you're welcome, i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses. Can you also tell us the name of your religious group?

God bless you Sir!

Solite3 na one of dem falsehood crew of shadeyinka, johnw,nutarious etc.
Na dem dem....

solite3:
JESUS' CLAIMS ABOUT HIMSELF

*John 5:18 – The Jews understood Jesus made himself equal with God.
*John 10:28-33 – The Jews said "You make yourself God."
*John 10:36 – "I am God's Son" is a claim to a unique relationship with God. Jews considered it blasphemy because Jesus was claiming to be God by saying this. They wanted to stone him. There are five reasons for stoning:

John5:18 Jesus"calling God his Father",or "I am God's son" in John10:36, NEVER equates with "making himself equal with God".
Jesus expression in John 14:28 proved that these wicked Jews had LIED. .
Even this solite3 LIAR has come here to repeat the same falsehood that the Pharisees laid against Jesus Christ.
Shame on you solite3 ogidigan of Lies.

alBHAGDADI:
*1
Psalm 16:10 (KJV)
10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

As seen above, two resurrections took place: Jesus soul resurrected from hell and his body resurrected from the ground and both returned back to their former state but with a slight difference.


*2
1 Corinthians 15:50
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

1 Corinthians 15:44
it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.



What they don't know is that, yes flesh and blood won't inherit the kingdom of God, but Flesh will.

*3
Luke 24:39 (KJV)
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

As seen above, Jesus said he has flesh and bones which spirits don't have. Clearly, we see that Jesus resurrected in his body which was buried. But you say "didn't you just quote that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God?".

Yes, flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, but FLESH and BONES will. So definitely, flesh will go to heaven but the one with blood will not. The body Jesus Christ resurrected in a spiritual body which has flesh and bones but no blood.

*4
1 Corinthians 15:44
it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

The above verse shows there is a natural body and a spiritual body. The difference is that one has blood while the other doesn't. The similarities is that they both have flesh and bones. The natural body has blood because the Bible says:

*5
Leviticus 17:11 (KJV)
11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

The Spiritual body doesn't have the blood and that's why the resurrected body of Jesus was just flesh and bones. It didn't have the blood because Jesus had given it for the remission of our sins.

Matthew 26:28 (KJV)
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Remember we just saw in Leviticus that the life of the flesh is in the blood. Below is Jesus talking about giving his life/blood for we his sheep.

John 10:11 (KJV)
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.


To call yourself a Christian, you will have to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. It means you believe that Jesus died, his body was buried and that body which was buried was resurrected.


[Thanks you.

alBHAGDADI the confused lying Pharisee bearing the name of a terrorist as his moniker, the ogidigan of falsehood.
*1 : " Two resurrections took place" for Jesus. In other words,this Pharisee says Jesus resurrected twice.
Shadeyinka and mightysparrow,una dey see the junk wey una dey clap for?
Oturugbeke !

*2 , the OP quoted 1Cor15:50, flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of God in heaven, the OP lied that "flesh will". the gospel of Satan.

**3" OP said "Jesus resurrected in the body in which has buried but this confused liar still said Jesus "resurrected in a spiritual body of flesh and bones " to contradict himself.
If Jesus resurrected in the spiritual body with which he was buried, by implication, you're confused.
Did Jesus tell you he went back to heaven in flesh and bones?

*4 how come a spiritual bodies have flesh when you've said Jesus resurrected with physical body he was born with as a child?
Or you mean that Mary gave birth to a spirit?

*5. Leviticus17:11, "the life of the flesh is in the blood", proof Jesus gave his flesh (body), his life,his blood (he gave everything) as a ransom sacrifice, offering for mankind (Heb 9:28. John6:51. Matt20:28).
Definite PROOF he never resurrected with the same body/flesh/blood sacrifice ,offering, ransom that he paid for our redemption.
John6:51, none of these Pharisees go give offering for church dey collect their offering back,but una no gree say Jesus body na Offering.
Una dey sow seed(that's a sacrifice) & go collect am back?
If you go back to demand for a refund, does your offering still exist or have any value?

Satan comot una sense sottay una dey lie say Jesus dey collect him sacrifice, offering for our redemption.
Jesus sacrifice his body, blood, life for us. If he resurrected with that same perfect body he sacrificed for our ransom, of what value is it?
Answer it, all you lying Pharisees with out sense !

[color=#006600][/color]Emusan :


we must first address the illogical reasoning of JWs about the person sent by God.
This is what I'm still trying to get from
them since.
They claim, the person sent doesn't
have anything divine in him just pure
human like you and I.



Also, since Jesus is pure human like
everyone else in the world, and
NOTHING exists in human after death
according to them.[/quote]*** Emusan, what did Jehovah say would exist in Adam after he died ?

** ** Present the proof here to back your false claim JWs said "the person sent doesn't have anything divine in him"
You LIED as usual, where is your proof that JWs told you so...?

111sunshine:
This guy is more respected in Italy than in England... Congratulations

For the first time Abramovich & Chelsea were snubbed by a Coach working for the club.
This Sarri ball get mind,no be small....

obafemee80:
https://e9r8e7v9.stackpathcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/IMG_20190620_194247_649-600x308.jpg

Collections of multi-million dollars Supercars and Hypercars, previously owned by the son of the president Equatorial Guinea, Teodoro Nguema Obiang Mangue, will be sold off during a Bonhams auction scheduled for September 29 near Geneva.

The 25 collections of supercars, which includes an Aston Martin One-77, Bugatti Veyron, Ferrari LaFerrari, Koenigsegg One:1, Lamborghini Veneno Roadster, Bentley, Rolls-Royce, Ferrari and McLaren P1, were seized by Swiss authorities in 2016 as part of a wider investigation by French authorities over his alleged misappropriation of state funds.

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Proceeds from the auction will be donated to social programs in Equatorial Guinea. Presently, about 76% of Equatorial Guinea's 1.2m population live in abject poverty.

A different collections of Hypercars that included two Bugatti Veyrons, a Ferrari Enzo and a Porsche Carrera GT, were also seized by French authorities in 2011 and sold in 2013 for $4 million.

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The 50 year old son of the president of Equatorial Guinea, who is also the vice-president of the West African country, is no stranger to controversy. Last year, authorities in Brazil, which limits people from entering the country with more than $2,400 in cash, seized more than $16m (₦5.8 billion) worth of cash and luxury watches from a 11-man entourage that accompanied him to the South American country.

African Leaders And Embezzlement! What Do You Think? 

https://autojosh.com/swiss-to-auction-off-25-collections-of-hypercars-son-of-equatorial-guinea-president/

"In the words of Femi Anikulapo Kuti, "Sorry ,sorry oooo...... sorry for Africa , sorry sorry oooo".

GoTV:
In life you can't have it all. Life itself is full of up and down moments. As great as Ronaldo Delima who won many trophies with Brazil including World Cup, he couldn't win the Champions League which players like Daniel sturridge won recently despite playing for almighty Madrid filled with super stars. Jay Jay okocha as good as he was never won the African footballer of the year award which fringe players like Adebayor and El-hadji diouf won.


Many of you trolling messi's predicament with Argentina are doing so due to high expectations and unimaginable standards he sets for himself. He's a victim of his brilliance no doubt but never forget winning trophies is not exclusive to a player effort. Football is a team sport but i wonder why you all blame messi when he has been unfortunate to be with paper weight team mates. An injured Ronaldo won the Euro cup due to the fighting spirit of the Portuguese players (credit to Eder) after Ronaldo led them to finals with his goals. Same as the recent nations league which guedes delivered and Bernardo silva emerged best player.


Ronaldo is the arrow head of the Portuguese team no doubt but his team mates deliver when he's not in charge, unlike messi whose team mates are big names on paper but play terribly despite his efforts to inspire them to glory. Higuain missed 3 decisive one on one chances against Germany in 2014 finals before gotze scored, chances fringe players like guedes and Eder converted to win Ronaldo the international trophies you all troll about. Everything in Argentine football must not be delivered by messi. It's a games of 11 players so why place the burden on only messi as if Portugal fields only Ronaldo against other teams? When Elder and guedes scored to win the trophy when it mattered most, you guys ignore their efforts and give all praises to Ronaldo. When Argentina team plays badly even if defenders scored own goal all blame goes to messi. Haba guys, what level of hypocrisy?


This is not to defend or absorb messi of his involvement in the failure of the Argentine's team to win a major afterall he missed a penalty against chile in previous Copa finals, but i think we are too harsh on him with unreasonable criticisms.

I hope Majority of you guys criticizing him have achieved all you desire in life? I hope there is nothing again you which to achieve or conquer? Can you have it all in life? No. Even Atiku with all his billions stills dreams of being a president. You can't have it all. Ronaldo is fortunate to be in a team with winning mentality, unlike messi. Despite all Cristiano Ronaldo has won in his career, he would also wish to have a world cup medal which players like Giroud won without scoring a goal. There is always something left to chase and achieve. Despite all this challenges It doesn't dispute the fact that messi is indeed amongst the greatest players to play the game.


Had he naturalized to spain like diego Costa during their golden era of winning euros and world cup, this debate of who the greatest is would have been buried. Even if Argentina wins this year's copa America, you Ronaldo fans will still troll messi to win another international trophy to match Ronaldo's two. Nothing messi does will ever satisfy you people.


He's a victim of his brillance. Simple

Messi himself is part of the problem in the Argentine team. Most of their quality players are never invited because they're not in Messi's good books.
Leaving out Mauro Icardi was a colossal mistake (simply because Messi doesn't like his face.) Icardi could have been Argentina's Paulo Rossi.
Even their coach ,Lionel Scaloni ,na correct kpalasa

Mrcomedimatic:
Breaking! FIFA to take total control of soccer in Africa on the eve of 2019 AFCON over alleged corruption in CAF .

The world football governing body, FIFA has made plans to take over the running of the Confederation of African Football in the wake of corruption scandals surrounding the controlling body for African association football. .
.

The announcement is expected to be made in a press conference in Egypt on Thursday, the eve of the 2019 Africa Cup of Nations (AFCON ) before the hosts, Egypt takes on Zimbabwe on Friday afternoon. .


The New York Times reported that the decision was made due to corruption scandal of CAF president Ahmad Ahmad who was briefly arrested for questioning a fortnight ago in France before being released without charge. .

There are also a torrent of allegations of wrongdoing, ranging from financial mismanagement to sexual harassment against  Ahmad, who has continued to deny the allegations against him and has claimed to be the victim of a smear campaign“.

The rule of the temporary FIFA High Commissioner for Africa would be to conduct a root-and-branch review of governance of the confederation, oversee operational management of the organization, and recommend where needed a series of reform efforts, to be agreed with CAF member associations and with FIFA in order to put CAF itself on a modern and sound footing, improve its image and reputation and thus ensure that CAF is better equipped to face future challenges and to grasp future opportunities, ”

FIFA said in setting up the arrangement, according to an internal document seen by The New York Times.


Source: https://ngg.ng/2019/06/20/fifa-takes-over-afcon-2019-over-alleged-corruption-in-caf/

North African clubs/teams are major beneficiaries of football politics on the continent.
Likely Egypt's Pharaohs will be the first casualty- no AFCON trophy this time like they did against ( Super Eagles,Drogba's offside goal knocked out Nigeria in the S/final & Cote D'Ivoire in the 2006 AFCON final on home soil.

nutarious:
FATHERHOOD has deep meaning and Jehovah been my Father will be Hard for you to comprehend



We found Holy Spirit as the Father of Jesus. If Jesus said Father, his reality and my are different naturally.



When I call God my Father and when Jesus call his Father we must not relate the two because its not same thing.



Now how come his Father speaking to His Son called him Lord.

Since Jehovah his Father made him (Jesus ) Lord and Christ,(Acts2:36) did Jesus the son of the Most High , ever said he is the Most High?

** Blasphemer, holy spirit is not the Father of Jesus, since you lie that Jesus the son of God is God, the next lie you will cook up is that Jesus is holy spirit .

Nutarious notorious LIAR, Fatherhood is not rocket science..

" I bend my knees to the Father to whom every family in heaven and on the earth derives it's name" Ephesians 3:14,15.

***"### Pls answer 2 questions below before we can proceed further....

The reason why Jesus (& everyone in heaven) calls Jehovah his Father is the same reason why you and I (& everyone on earth) call Jehovah our Father.
Nutarious, pls reply yes ,if you agree.
Reply no,if you disagree..

U dodged my previous question :
A woman wey no fit senior you at all, her level no fit pass your level, would you adopt that woman as your "mother" or call her "my Mama"?

OLAADEGBU:
Where is the proof? If somebody like Sunday Adelaja, who claimed that he got converted by watching Pastor Kumuyi preach on the television before he travelled to Russia (and this must be in the 80's), how did that happen if he was against the use of television?

Haters Kumuyi Live On TV by PastorKun
( m ): 9:44pm On Sep 22 , 2013
Image123:
They are showing face oh, as usual,
your post borders on hearsay and
falsehood. We are not surprised.
Hear say I am not surprised as I have known
you to be a notorious bare faced liar on this
forum. Several deeper life members have
testified about DL ban on TV even on this
forum. I also remember very clearly in the
eighties at the height of spreading this
poison, several DL members I know threw
away their TVs based on this false doctrine.


by Candour
( m ): 10:31am On Sep 23 , 2013

Actually image, I was in DLBC from 1986 to
1999(my dad is still there) and my father
was asked to remove the TV from our house
if he wanted the house fellowship to
continue in his house and still remain a
worker in church. He complied in 1990.
In fact even Coke was anathema to deeper
life initially because of the caffeine content
before it was relaxed. Get hold of the book
with title 'The extraordinary growth of the
Deeper life bible Church' . A story of deeper
life written by an American church historian
in 1988. I think Kumuyi made reference to
these issues and concluded by saying 'when
I was a child, I thought like a child'


**** Lying OLAADEGBU Pharisee and Kumuyi worshipper extraordinaire, SHAME ON YOU !!!!

nutarious:
. Been a JW will not afford you the sight of the Secret of Fatherhood as Jehovah is called, But lemme still tell you, When Jesus call Father and You call Father as a reference to Jehovah you are referring to the Same Deity but the problem comes in your own reality.

If I adopt a Son and the adopted son called me Mother and my natural son calls me Mother, definitely I am a mother and they are both Right. But, in their reality of existence, one comes directly from my Dna and one came by adoption.

The Two Children have different genetic make up.


It's deeper than this but I can take time to explain but Logos won't explain anything to you.

Read Bible from now till Tommorow, what you will have is Head Knowledge, until the One that inspired the writings dwell with you, you will arque blindly.


So, to your question when Jesus called Father and Disciples called Father theirs is a reality of Oneness, but don't compare their Reality with each other. Kagani ko?

Oturugbeke !!!! Shuuooo !!!!!!!

Question for Nutarious:
Any woman wey no fit senior you in any way at all, & her level no pass your own levels. You go adopt am as your mother, dey call am " my Mama"?

nutarious:
You avoided many things, I will make you see them.

Can you explain Heb 1 vs 10? How come Jehovah called his creation Lord?

Then who said the Jews Lied, you or your scripture?

Nutarious, when you "Call God your own Father", do you mean you are "making yourself equal with God"?

*** For once, be honest to yourself & answer the question above...***

I have AVOIDED nothing, but you still resort to bring up Heb 1:10.
As usual the holy Scriptures will speak for itself....
**"* Heb1:10 is a repetition /quote of Psalms 102:25-27.
Let's begin from v24...
" So I said: do not take me ,away oh my God, in the midst of my days,your years go on through all generations.
v25 " In the beginning you laid the foundation of the earth and the heavens are the works of your hand......"
The Psalms 102:25-27 & Heb 1:10-13 is a reference to Jehovah, the God of David and Father of Jesus.
In Matt 11:25 Jesus calls his Father "Lord of heaven and earth", further proof that Heb 1:10-13 refers to 'Jehovah.

*** Proverbs 8:22,27,29
" Lord Jehovah created me at the beginning of creation..."vs22

vs27 "I was there when He set the heavens in place..."

**vs29 " ...and when He marked out the foundation of the earth"

Jesus, the wisdom of God (1Cor1:24. Rev3:14) has revealed the truth.

Nutarious, you are either for the truth or against the truth.
Just make your choice.
Shalom.