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OLAADEGBU:
Genesis 9:4; Leviticus 7:26-27; Acts 15:19-29 and the like. What God is addressing in those verses has nothing to do with blood transfusion it was about the eating of animal's blood and blood transfusion is not the same thing as eating animal blood. So you cannot use those verses as proof that God is against blood transfusion, they do not apply at all. This is what Jesus said:

"There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man" (Mark 7:15).

You need to begin to seriously study the Bible independently.

So , for your deluded mind, you dey "study the Bible independently" na you dey Nairaland they defend kumuyi junk wey the guy man pastorpreneur dey feed you !
Oturugbeke !!!! Lol

**** Lying Pharisee twisting Mark7:15, 2moro morning, go use three sachet of "Hypo" as milk for your morning tea, drink am wella, for your deluded mind, nothing go do you, indeed !!

Lying Pharisee, from your fictitious claims, screenshot Acts 15:29 where "animal blood" was written in your copy of the bible.
"Abstain from blood" is very straight forward instruction. don't get it twisted oh lying Pharisee .

Janosky:
Lying Pharisee,
Until you bring the proof where DL church "statement of faith" categorically says it's no sin for the DL church to do satellite TV broadcast, you're a liar.

OLAADEGBU :
You are entitled to your opinion. As
long as you cannot show me where DL
stated your claims in their statement
of faith or reference any book or
magazine where they said that it was a
sin to own or repair a television as far
as I am concerned you are just bearing
false witness. "


**** You dey run dey dodge ....
Bring the proof in your DL "statement of faith" that states categorically ' its no sin for your DL church to do satellite TV broadcasting'.
Until you bring that proof for all to see , you're still LYING that your DL church is not against TV watching, in the years gone by.

Emusan:
You lied that God changed the name from Jesus witness to Jehovah witness without scriptural evidence, whereas your organization didn't say God changed the name but they ADOPTED the name.

Meanwhile, the truth from the Holy scripture is that:
1. The Father Himself witnesses about His Son
2. The Holy Spirit witnesses about The Son
3. The Apostles witnessed about Christ
4. Christ Himself commanded all His followers to bear witness of Him.

Only your organization goes against the writing of the scripture by creating commandment for themselves.

Jehovah's word is sacrosanct Number 23:19, John17:17. Isaiah 43:10-13.
The words of Jesus flaws your fictitious claims. John 7:16. 17:17.
Jesus is Jehovah's servant; a Jehovah's witness.
Acts 3:13. Rev3:5,14,21. John20:17.

Jehovah decreed that his servants are Jehovah's witnesses, his servants.
Isaiah 43:10-13.

Jesus says the words of his God and Father is the truth. John17:17.
That is what Jesus taught (.John15:15) because he is in agreement with his Father, Jehovah (John 12:49,50).
If you're in agreement with Jesus, you are to witness (preach) that what Jesus taught about his Father is the truth. Acts1:8. John7:16. 15:15.
If you get sense, you should know that no messenger is superior to his Boss who sent him (John7:16. 4:34 dey your bible oh lying Pharisee... abi you done tear am ? I no trust you at all ! Lol).
No Pharisee wants to hear that, Emusan doesn't want it.

Emusan:
As usual, always attacking a straw man.



You lied that God changed the name from Jesus witness to Jehovah witness without scriptural evidence, whereas your organization didn't say God changed the name but they ADOPTED the name.

Meanwhile, the truth from the Holy scripture is that:
1. The Father Himself witnesses about His Son
2. The Holy Spirit witnesses about The Son
3. The Apostles witnessed about Christ
4. Christ Himself commanded all His followers to bear witness of Him.

Only your organization goes against the writing of the scripture by creating commandment for themselves.

The words of Jesus flaws your fictitious claims. John 7:16. 17:17.
Jesus is Jehovah's servant. Acts 3:13. Rev3:5,21. John20:17.

Jehovah decreed that his servants are Jehovah's witnesses, his servants.
Isaiah 43:10-13.
Jesus is a Jehovah's witness Rev3:14. Acts3:13.
Jesus says the words of his God and Father is the truth. John17:17.
That is what Jesus taught (.John15:15) because he is in agreement with his Father, Jehovah (John 12:49,50).
If you're in agreement with Jesus, you are to witness (preach) that what Jesus taught about his Father is the truth.
If you get sense, you should know that no messenger is superior to his Boss who sent him (John7:16. 4:34 dey your bible oh lying Pharisee... abi you done tear am ? I no trust you at all ! Lol).
No Pharisee wants to hear that, Emusan doesn't want it.

jesusjnr:
Jesus said to His disciples:

Acts 1:7-8 (KJV)

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Now Jesus in clear terms told His disciples they would be His witnesses, so how come you who call themselves "Jehovah Witnesses" instead of "Jesus Witnesses" claim to be the disciples of Jesus that Jesus gave this instruction?

You ought to come and explain this contradiction, because it seems there's something you aren't telling us by the name you chose to be called alone, for the name Jehovah Witnesses suggest that you are more Judaists(Moses disciples) than Jesus disciples.

And this reflects In your doctrines for despite that you come In the Jesus disciples clothings, your doctrine gives you away as the otherwise, for instead of emphasizing the following of Jesus and His teachings as the true disciples of Jesus should, you emphasize the following of Jehovah Witnesses and the importance of becoming a member of your group as though that determines who is saved or not saved.

But it's not far-fetched for already going by the name "Jehovah Witnesses" you are not following the instructions of Jesus to His disciples who He said would be His witnesses, and perhaps you feel that Jesus is not worthy to be witnessed.

So you have the opportunity to defend your choice of the name "Jehovah Witnesses" instead of "Jesus Witnesses", if you indeed be true disciples of Jesus.

Thank you.

FLAWED POST twisting the truth.
Jesus is Jehovah's messenger," What I teach is not mine,it comes from him who sent me" ,(John7:16).

** Jesus is Jehovah's servant (Acts3:13).
Jesus is in agreement with his Father's message(John 12:44,45,49,50). Likewise, every true disciple agrees with Jehovah's message. To witness for Jesus in Acts1:8 means to preach to people of the world that what Jesus taught about his Father is the whole truth (John 15:15. 17:17).

#### (jesusjnr is NOT in agreement with Jehovah's message, else no need for this your pointless ,flawed post .).
** Jesus is a faithful witness for his Father (Rev 3:14), Jesus a Jehovah's witness.
Jehovah decreed His servants are His witnesses, in other words, " Jehovah's witnesses". Isaiah 43:10-13.
Confirmation that Jesus is a Jehovah's witness (Acts3:13.)
If you don't believe in Jehovah's words (Isaiah 43:10-13. John17:17) ,your claims that you believe in Jesus is mere fiction (John 12:44,45).

Jesus preached the good news of God's kingdom, Mark 1:14,15.
** Jesus commands his disciples to preach the good news of his Father's kingdom (Mark 13:10, Matt 24:14).
By faith , God fearing men of old, witnessed for Jehovah. Hebrews 11:1-39. 12:1,2.
Jesus is our Master we look up to. Heb12:2.

Jesus the servant is not the owner of the message he was sent to preach. John7:16. 4:34.
Jesus is a Jehovah's witness, every disciple must be a Jehovah's witness Or you're a lying Pharisee (Matt 5:20)
That's the gospel truth.

** NB
You may come to NL and claim that JWs said stuff in the past that never came true.
Is that worse than apostle Peter who korokoro denied Jesus his Master before the crowd?

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OLAADEGBU:
You are entitled to your opinion. As long as you cannot show me where DL stated your claims in their statement of faith or reference any book or magazine where they said that it was a sin to own or repair a television as far as I am concerned you are just bearing false witness. And for those of you that believe television is the holy grail, for how long do you watch it with the constant epileptic power supply? If you are to argue let's talk about the myriads your society sends to their untimely death when you deny them blood transfusion.

Lying Pharisee, Watchtower Society have NEVER done that, you have no proof for your fictitious claims.
To serve Jehovah and keep to His righteous standard is strictly voluntary. Acts15:28,29. 5:29. 1st John5:3.

Until you bring the proof where DL church "statement of faith" categorically says it's no sin for the DL church to do satellite TV broadcast, you're a liar.

OLAADEGBU:
Do you see how your witnesses are contradicting themselves? You said one claimed DL said TV was evil and the one above said they never said television was evil. Make up your mind and let us know what exactly you are accusing DL about.

Even if it was true that DL prevented people from watching television I don't see how that will be a life or death matter as it is the case in your society where they prevent their members from taking blood transfusion and people losing their lives both physically and eternally.

"They (Deeper life church) were against it (television)....and believed it was better to abstain from television" , you no see am !!!

** Make you quote everything that poster said! Don't cherry pick ...
Perhaps you're better educated by virtue of dwelling in the land of the English Queen, Mr Olaadegbu, you already know the exact import& full meaning of that entire statement by the poster .
Your baseless argument changes NOTHING!
Thank you

johnw47:
from a christian website





Zechariah 12:10 (NASB), "And I [God] will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son."

NWT: “I will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the spirit of favor and supplication, and they will look to the one whom they pierced, and they will wail over him as they would wail over an only son; and they will grieve bitterly over him as they would grieve over a firstborn son
.
The Jehovah's Witnesses change the word "me" to "the one" so that it says in their Bible, "...they will look upon the one whom they have pierced..." Since the Jehovah's Witnesses deny that Jesus is God in flesh, then Zech. 12:10 would present obvious problems, so they changed it.




John 1:1 (NASB), "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

NWT: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."
The Watchtower mistranslate the verse as "a god."

Again, because the Jehovah's Witnesses deny God in flesh for the Scriptures (John 1:1, 14; Col. 2:9), they must change the Bible to make it agree with their theology. The Jehovah's Witness version in the New World Translation says, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god."
Notice that "a god" is there so-called translation. But this is problematic since it would imply polytheism. I asked Jehovah's Witnesses if they believe Jesus was a god.

Lying Pharisee dey quote Pharisee lying website.
What is theos ?
https://biblehub.com/greek/2310.htm
theos:God ,a god.
Definition: God,a god.
Is NWT correct to say "the word is a god" ? YES !!!!
Jesus is the son of God John10:36.
In heaven ,Jesus is son of God. Rev3:5,21, gods in heaven (1 Cor8:5) includes Jesus.
Sons of God are gods John 10:34-36.
It's crystal clear.

Corrupt Johnw lying Pharisee, Zech12:10, . ..
"and they will look " (Strong's Hebrew 5027 meaning - to scan, look intently..)

*" On me" (Strong's Hebrew413 meaning 'To, Near, with, among).

** the One (Strong's Hebrew 834 meaning who, which, what ,that, where)

https://biblehub.zechariah/12-10.htm

Johnw lying Pharisee ,"On me" in Hebrew language means "to, near, among" .
You dey twist Hebrew meaning into English language, you lying Pharisee.


*** When you quote Zechariah12:10 & LIE that God is Jesus whom the Jews pierced ,(John5:37 the Jews never saw God) likewise in Acts 9:4,5 you have to LIE that Christ's
disciples is the Jesus whom Saul persecuted (after all, Saul never saw Jesus face to face)

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OLAADEGBU:
Posting what a disgruntled member said does not count as evidence or reference. All of you that got their education through the television should learn how to back up a claim by adequate referencing.

You are a liar. I have neighbors and childhood friends in deeper life church who told me their parents don't watch TV because it is against deeper life church beliefs.
People wey their TV set dey off whenever I dey their home, naim u dey lie to me.
Your denial is hogwash!.

Life Which He Latter Abandoned
by INTERMAN : 10:59pm On Feb 17 , 2018
Thank God the man of God is still standing
for holiness and righteousness. But here are
some old beliefs of WF kumuyi in which he
latter sent into oblivion.
1) TELEVISION- In the early days of Deeper
life church. Television and anything that
relates to it was seen as a taboo. The
gadget was tagged "the box of the devil"
and members of the church were strictly
warned against Tv, video cameras in
wedding and so on.Repairing of TV was
also abomination. But today, the church
itself, I.e Deeper life Bible Church now have
over Ten thousands television in their
various church for live transmissions.

: 5 Old Beliefs Of Pastor Kumuyi Of
Deeper Life Which He Latter Abandoned
by chronique( m ): 10:33am On Feb 18 , 2018
I attended that
church in my childhood and formative years.
I attended that church in the 80s and 90s.
They never said television was evil but they
were against it cos they felt it could corrupt
the mind(depending on what you watch),and
believed it was better to abstain from
watching TV..."

** Deeper life church "were against watching TV" back in the day ,oh lying Pharisee.

shadeyinka:
You know what you are doing?
Burying falsehood under loads of information!

I have only re-echoed

Gal 1:8:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed."

As

"But though ECWA or any Church Organisation, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed."


The apostles have said that your lives shouldn't be defined by them or any other person or personality but by the GOSPEL of CHRIST.

Paul is saying if/peradventure himself or any of the Apostles should somehow deviate from the Gospel of Christ, they become accursed! Not to be followed!

But in arrogance, you equate the JW Watchtower organisation as infallible, that which even the apostles didn't claim. Make the Scriptures your Standard NOT a human Organisation!

Lying Pharisees, your false gospel of trinity is NOT the Gospel of Jesus which apostles Peter preached (Acts 3:12,13) or Paul preached Acts 9:17-20., Eph 1:3. Rom 15:5,6. Galatians 1:8, John 10:34-36. 7:16. 5:37. 6:46. It's crystal clear what the gospel of Jesus is. special emphasis on Acts 9 verse20.
JWs stick to the scriptures and the apostolic example of the first century Christians. Acts15:1-31.
Acts 9:4-31 is another case study of how well organized the first century Christians were , under Christ's leadership .
That's an Organization in practice .

shadeyinka:
You are right and correct as the God you serve is also shared by the following organisations

1. The Mormons (The Church of the Latter days Saints)
2. Olumba Olumba (The Church of the Brotherhood of the Cross and Star)
3. The Moonies

Lying Pharisee Shadeyinka,you have no proof that 1,2,3 are serving our Most High God, Jehovah (Psalms 83:18), the God and Father of our lord Jesus Christ (John 20:17, Rev 3:5,21. Acts 3:13. Eph1:3. 3:14,15).

johnw47:
jw's who utter and utter and utter and never stop uttering lies, true

Janosky :
Jesus said he is the son of God, the
sons of God are gods. John 10:34-36.
Jesus is a god in heaven, Jesus said
he is a son of God in heaven
(Rev3:5,21. 1Cor8:4,5) ,on earth Jesus
is still the son of God. That is what his
disciples believed and preached
(John1:18,49.
20:17,30,31.Matt16:13-17
Acts9:20).
No disciple preached satanic doctrine
of Trinity.
Janosky :
Corrupt Pharisee , go and tear 1 Cor
15:24-27 ,Rev3:5,12-14,21.
Matt16:13-17.
OLAADEGBU "Jesus is Jehovah"
delusion, so Almighty God has a Father
in heaven? Rev 3:5,21.
Ndia ara iberibe.....

Johnw lying Pharisee says these Bible verses are lies because he hates the truth embedded in them.
These guys are so 'wise' they can't twist Rev 3:5,21, John20:17 and 1Cor15:24-27 to blend with their "Jesus is Jehovah" delusion.

OLAADEGBU:
All you can do is to say someone somewhere said they had no TVs. Where is the quote supposedly said by the GS banning members from watching TVs? What is the evidence that not watching TVs prevents you from being educated? And you that has watched TV is this the level of enlightenment you've got?

https://dailypost.ng/2014/11/03/left-deeper-life-church-called-tv-set-devils-box-tunde-bakare/
One day, while I was ministering and a
brother was interpreting, I was giving
example of the “faith cometh by hearing and
hearing the word of God” and I said,
‘Supposing you go to a supermarket to buy
soap, you might not know what soap to buy
but because you watched the advertisement
of Joy soap on television, then you would
look for Joy soap because you have been
hearing about it.’ And my interpreter said:
“If you have been watching the devil’s box…”
I told him I didn’t say devil’s box but
television, and he repeated, saying the
devil’s box and Brother Kumuyi was behind
us. I said I didn’t say devil’s box and that
the normal interpretation was amu ohun mu
aworan, (the box that captures both the
voice and the visuals). Anyway, he still said
what he said. The following Sunday, Brother
Kumuyi came up with what he called
“Sunday Exaltation”; he said that even if you
repair television, you are a child of the devil.
Then I took my Bible and left. I went home
and said I would serve my God, but was not
interested any more in church. “ he
revealed."

Olaadegbu lying Pharisee "even if you repair television ,you are a child of the devil".
You no get shame dey lie lie for this forum .
Lol ..

Go visit any campus congregation in all the nooks and crannies of this country, what you're going to observe there, DESTROYS your "only God knows how many careers" fallacy and the fictional claims of Johnw lying Pharisee which he forged from God knows where.

Janosky:
Corrupt Pharisee , go and tear 1 Cor 15:24-27 ,Rev3:5,12-14,21. Matt16:13-17.
OLAADEGBU "Jesus is Jehovah" delusion, so Almighty God has a Father in heaven? Rev 3:5,21.
Ndia ara iberibe.....

Janosky:
Jesus said he is the son of God, the sons of God are gods. John 10:34-36. Jesus is a god in heaven, Jesus said he is a son of God in heaven (Rev3:5,21. 1Cor8:4,5) ,on earth Jesus is still the son of God. That is what his disciples believed and preached (John1:18,49. 20:17,30,31.Matt16:13-17
Acts9:20).
No disciple preached satanic doctrine of Trinity.

Janosky:
Corrupt Pharisee , go and tear 1 Cor 15:24-27 ,Rev3:5,12-14,21. Matt16:13-17.
OLAADEGBU "Jesus is Jehovah" delusion, so Almighty God has a Father in heaven? Rev 3:5,21.
Ndia ara iberibe.....

Your satanic scam doctrine can not ,will never twist the truth in the scriptures quoted above.... oh johnw ,olaadegbu lying Pharisees.
Case closed.

OLAADEGBU:
We do not serve the same Jesus to start with. I agree that your secular career cannot give you eternal life neither does your "Awake" or "Watchtower" magazines.

If you cannot give us the evidence where a law of not watching television was decreed or people losing their lives as a result of not watching television then you should forever hold your peace.

ifeoluwatomi( m): 10:58am On
Feb 18, 2018
...
FYI... My mom once worked for
the Kumuyis .. They had no TVs.
https://www.nairaland.com/4354093/5-old-beliefs-pastor-kumuyi

Your lies been exposed.

OLAADEGBU:
Who is the true God?

Who is the "one true God"? That's the key question for you to answer.
Oya , nau.

shadeyinka:
Maximus69
Janosky
TATIME

So many human beings are unknowingly living in LIES and Deliberate Fabricated DECEPTIONS. Unfortunately, these same people unfortunately convince themselves of the same lies even when the truth is painfully obvious and plain. Muslims till tomorrow believe vehemently that Mohammed is the last Prophet many are even willing to bomb themselves up for the sale of aljanna, so are the Mormons etc

Usually, every lie is based on the truth: no lie exist out of the blues but from the foundation of truth. However, a lie is NOT the truth because its aim is to MISREPRESENT the TRUTH as something it isn't.

Let's look just at one:
According to Jehovah's Witness Doctrine, Jesus was created first AND Jesus created ALL OTHER Things.

Col1:15-17 NWT
15 He is the image of the invisible God,m the firstborn of all creation;n 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible,o whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through himp and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist,

Not minding the all other things as put in the NWT edition.

When you compare with Gen 1:1
Gen 1:1:
"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

The JWs says that God was acting like a CEO who says "I built this company from the ground up!" even though, we all know that the CEO used other agents like his lawyers, accountants, foremen, clerks etc.

On the surface, it looks like a very solid argument: God is the creator who employed the service of Jesus to create every other things (including the angels which include satan. Abi?)

Unfortunately, this argument break down when you read the same Genesis creation account. I will quote just a few accounts just to show that the above argument fail miserably.


Gen 1:3:
"And God said , Let there be light: and there was light."

Gen 1:6:
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the middle of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."

Gen 1:9:
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together to one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so."

Gen 1:11:
"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth: and it was so."

Gen 1:14:
"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"

Gen 1:20:
"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that has life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."

Gen 1:24:
"And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so."

Gen 1:26:
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

For every time God SPOKE, Creation OCCURRED of the "so called OTHER THINGs"


As usual, you will have arguments and excuses: the implication is that God's WORD is powerless to create.

That is why God Created Everything BY HIS SPOKEN WORD:

John 1:1-3:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

If you really study your Bible well, the Father Jehovah to whom "every Family in heaven and earth owes it's name" Eph3:14,15 is the source of creation.
Jehovah is the brain behind it..."Let us make man" etc.
John1:3 "Through 'Greek dia autou'>the channel for it.
Heb1:2 says "Through" Jesus , God made the universe.
Based on heb1:2, "through him" is best rendition for John1:3 .
Therefore heb1:2 emphasized and validates "other things" in Col1:15,16 as authentic.
Prov 8:22-30 is a validation of Heb1:2.
NWT is correct.
Pls check John 1:3 lexicon and text analysis in biblehub.com

OLAADEGBU:
What they have is strange fire living in them. And they better wake up and smell the coffee before it is too late. Let's hope that they would see that Jesus is Jehovah.

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Corrupt Pharisee , go and tear 1 Cor 15:24-27 ,Rev3:5,12-14,21. Matt16:13-17.
OLAADEGBU "Jesus is Jehovah" delusion, so Almighty God has a Father in heaven? Rev 3:5,21.
Ndia ara iberibe.....

johnw47:
those john 10 verses are not saying that Jesus is "a god" as you lie and claim

Joh 10:34  Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? 
Joh 10:35  If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 
Joh 10:36  Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? 


Jesus in the flesh said in those hebrew verses: "I am the Son of God"
oh cannot stop twisting the word of God

Jesus said he is the son of God, the sons of God are gods. John 10:34-36. Jesus is a god in heaven, Jesus said he is a son of God in heaven (Rev3:5,21. 1Cor8:4,5) ,on earth Jesus is still the son of God. That is what his disciples believed and preached (John1:18,49. 20:17,30,31.Matt16:13-17
Acts9:20).
No disciple preached satanic doctrine of Trinity.

johnw47:
ha ha, you girls are so queer
if you said Jesus is satan, max and tat would give you likes, surely

Joh 3:16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh 7:16  Jesus answered them, and said, [color=#990000]My doctrine is not mine, but his that
sent me"

you say: Jesus doctrine is Fathers doctrine, and Father sent Jesus means: Jesus is not God,

my father sent me to the shop, my shopping list is my fathers shopping list, so i'm not human,



Father and the Word Jesus Christ certainly is Jehovah God,



jw, you say Jesus is a angel, that would mean that his Father God who beget Him is a angel also

What's your proof of sanity if these men "Max" ,"Tatime" and "Janosky " are 'girls' in your eyes?

The Father sent you to the shop doesn't transform you to the Father oh dumb Pharisee johnw.
Also, Lion the Father begat a Lion, the son of Lion is a Lion.
Like wise the son of God is a god in heaven and earth Rev 3:5,21. John10:34-36.

Johnw lying Pharisee Jesus is a son of whom? Jehovah's son of course. John 1:18,49.
Angels are sons of whom? Jehovah's sons of course! Job1:6. 2:1.

Jehovah is a son to whom? Jehovah's NOT an angel

OLAADEGBU:
Only God knows how many people's career didn't take off because of the heresy used to deceive myriads of unsuspecting people through that 'Awake' magazine then.

Lying Pharisee,so chasing a career is worth more than your Jesus?
No JW has ever come to your door to beg for daily bread. Each one of us is gainfully employed in a vocation that pays our bills , where we have ample time to care for our family and preach the good news.
We are not interested in using the world to the full (1cor7:31.Matt 6:24-34),no career can give you eternal life ,to chase a career is not the primary goal of any serious JW, neither do we desire prominence in a world that will pass away. 1Jn2:15-17.

It is even hypocritical for you to raise this issue.... only God knows how many Deeper Life members lost their lives having missed life saving information or those who missed life changing job opportunities as a result of William Kumuyi's " thou shalt not watch television" heresy.

You no know say your hypocrisy go
wound you?

johnw47:
^
Truth of Truths


but here are just a few of your false jw Blasphemy of Blasphemies

"a god" created all that is created

"a god" is the Lord and Saviour of the world

"a god" sits on the throne of God


God the Word Jesus Christ created all that is created:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 
Joh 1:2  The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3  All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus Christ is the Lord and Saviour of the world:
Isa_43:11  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

2Pe 3:18  But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

^^ also showing that Jesus is Jehovah


God sits on the throne of God:

Rev_22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

John 7:16 ,Jesus confirmed your lying Pharisee status.
The messenger Jesus is not Jehovah , his God and Father who sent him .John 3:16.

shadeyinka:
If the apostles can say

Gal 1:8-9:
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed."s far as you are concerned, the Light is the JW organisation!

Then your organisation is an imposture!

Each Christian is a light NOT an organisation! Check your bible!
Interestingly there are proofs to show that your organisation isn't 100% the light of Christ because they have made failed and false prophecies before.

You're a Pharisee to quarrel with the word "Organization".
** Matt 9:36
When Jesus saw the crowds he had compassion on them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep with out a shepherd".

The people of Jesus day were disorganized and helpless with out direction, their yan*h no dey stay one place. Dem no get leadership.

** But Jesus is the Shepherd who provides solid leadership for his sheep.
" I am the good shepherd I know my sheep and my sheep knows me"
"My sheep listens to my voice ;I know them, and they follow me"
John 10:14,27.
That's Organization in practice, under the leadership of Jesus Christ.
** Jesus followers were
an organized group, therefore, an Organization.
Acts 15:1-30, 2:42-47 should teach you sense.

You're a Pharisee, you seek solace in any church where your belle face, any church with diverse, conflicting doctrines, as long as them pretend to call Jesus....
omo ,you're lost , like the crowds in Jesus day.

Emusan:
I already knew he's lying that's why I didn't give that part much attention.

shadeyinka:
Please ask him to show you
where I said that highlighted
in RED!
He is a liar like his father.

According to shadeyinka, " But like i said (ECWA) church doctrines don't define me"
, na Arabic u dey write for there?
Max is correct , oh lying Pharisees. The internet never forgets.

solite3:
did they tell you they were enslaved by Jesus?

Solite3 Pharisee, educated illiterate
. If you're NOT enslaved by Jesus, so to speak, the only other option is a Pharisee. Matt10:32-39. 5:20.
That's solite3 Pharisee who argues against the words of his so called 'Master'

johnw47:
Joh 20:17  Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.



Rev 3:5  He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 





and there is only one true God, He is Almighty Jehovah God, Father and the Word, Father is Almighty God, Jesus is Almighty God, they are two


, Father is not Jesus throne, Jesus does not sit on his Father, laughing
Jesus sits on the throne of God at the right hand of the Father,


Rev_3:21  To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

hence your nwt "your throne is God"
is a lie, of course

** For instance, the phrase " your strength is God " meaning God is the source of your strength likewise "Your throne is God" meaning God is the source/ owner of your throne, Luke 1:31-33,1 chr28:5.
Psalms 45:6 "Your throne is God" is very accurate. NWT,RSV, JB were correct.
Lying Pharisee twisting simple phrase to suit his scam.

*** Johnw lying Pharisee lying against his own satanic doctrine, "Father is Almighty God,Jesus is Almighty God, they are two", this Pharisee done throway him "holy ghost God" for dustbin.
Falsehood dey twist Johnw brain.

** Jesus speech we heard from the proverbial horse's mouth in Rev3:5,21 and John 20:17 pin points your Pharisee status and confirms your brain's corrosion with mumu virus.
This crook Pharisee says Almighty God has a Father in heaven.
Oh Blasphemy of Blasphemies

nutarious:
Robot quoting scripts that suits him/her.


Is This also applicable to your Robotic Organisation?

Acts 13:1-2 Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them.

** Acts 13:1,2 is a true description of Jehovah's witnesses

According to "nutarious":
# "Same line, same thought no
personal study, no personal
opinion etc
A Robot is a coded
machine............ Same is
Jehovah Witness."

Nutarious, why you dey disgrace yourself with your LIES on NL?

You quoted Acts13:1,2 where
Barnabas, Lucius,Manaen, Simeon and Saul had "same line,same thought" to following the direction from the holy spirit.

*-** Nutarious, I challenge you to name one disciple in Acts 13:1,2 who had personal opinions independent of the holy spirit?

Every honest hearted person can now see that , according to Nutarious, Jesus disciples were "robots" like Jehovah's witnesses and rightly qualified to be called children of God.

Nutarious is a notorious Pharisee notable for falsehood and lie lie.

**** JWs bear witness to the truth like Jesus Christ and his disciples.
John 18:37. John17:17.

nutarious:
Have followed this conversations from page 1 to page 38 and have carefully observed the Two defendants here.


Same line, same thought no personal study, no personal opinion etc

A Robot is a coded machine............ Same is Jehovah Witness.


Apostle Paul was like that robot till the day he had that encounter, 3and half years did it take him to digest Truth.

Acts15:1-12,18-31 the first century Christians were robots, they looked up to the body of apostles and Elders in Jerusalem to make decisions for everyone of them.
They ALL had "same line, same thought ,no personal opinions".
***
1 Cor1:10
" Now I urge you brothers through the name of our lord Jesus Christ that you should ALL speak in agreement..... that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought"

*Phil 2:2
" Make my joy full by being of the same mind and having the same love being completely united, having the one thought in mind"

Apostle Paul confirmed you're a LIAR and Pharisee , you're just dey form say you be Christian.
But ,You're NOT !

asalimpo:
Jw religion dont believe in war. Their members dont enlist in the military or engage in military duty.
They use this to market themselves as peaceful nd anti-belligerent. Are they? What makes this stinkingly hypocritical?
Let's just say for example that a jw purchased a brand new posh car. Very expensive. Then a thief tried to steal it? Let's say the thief is a boy and un-armed nd the jw is a big strong man. Would the jw just meekly hand over the keys to d lex? No way,9 out of 10 ,he'd put on a fight for what is his?

The anti-war stance is unbiblical nd impractical.
Unbiblical;
- Jesus talks about a man keeping watch,if he knew a thief would raid his house at night.
So Jesus doesnt condemn violence to protect your property.

The hypocrisy in the whole thing is, jws live in countries. Under human governmnts they dont respect or recognise (dont salute flags or sing anthems). Yet they expect these governmnts to treat them with the same level of regard they give patroitic citizens? They want these govts they dishonour to squander non-jw soldiers blood to maintain the peace in the country in event of war or any kind of agitation?
Jws want to enjoy working democracies- but wont put in the effort make it happen by their prayers,votes nd lives (as soldiers nd military). This is hypocritical.
They expct these govts to take care of them via good stable pensions when retired. Good jobs when of working age. Good legal system that dispenses fair nd speedy justice. Good infrastructure-roads,bridges etc. Yet they dont take an active role in governance,fight to topple evil governmnts. Give their support to good ones nd further the cause of their country by laying down their lives for it.

How do you combat terrorism? Al qaeda,isis,boko haram?
Would a jw wish his/her daughter to a victim of this terrorist menaces? A girl child raped nd beaten in an unknown location in sambisa forest?
One of the office workers who died in the twin tower 911 bombings?
One of the beheaded victims of isis?
In an evil world how would a jw-led governmnt react to these events? By burying their heads in the sand, citing a non-war creed to the enemy instead of preparing for the possibility of an attack nd keeping gaurd.
Again,this is hypocrisy. Stinking hypocritical garbage hawked in the name of religion.

Come and see painment.
Jesus you pretending to follow, na wetin be him rank for Roman army?
What of Apostles Paul and Peter, name which battalion did they command?
Hypocritical Pharisees bigot

budaatum:
I never told you I was saved nor that being saved would stop me from kicking a stupid ignorant pig like you.

Try removing the forest from your eyes before you concern yourself with my tits!

Asalimpo, ntoor !
Receive sense IJNA.