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johnw47:
of course you lied yet again when you said: Father and the Word is God is a fraud
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 



you have been reduced to having nothing and repeating the same things over and over again

again truly Father and the Word is God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.




once again, the Father is Spoken of in those verses being the one true God
and in john 1:1 the Father and the Word is spoken of as being the one true God, and shows God to be two persons



Father gives message to His Son, because that is His way, and again, Father is not the Son He is the Father,

Father and the word are the one true God, john 1:1 plus
they are not two gods, a mighty god jesus and a almighty god father, as you false jw's believe in





of course Father God is a person and a Spirit, and
of course the Word is a person and the same Spirit as His Father
two persons, one God, john 1:1

Father God is a Spirit, Jesus is the begotten Son of His Father, so He has that same Spirit which is God
and God is one spirit, not two as you believe, a mighty god jesus and mighty god father, ha ha ha

lordtim001:
Define tolerate. In my own opinion, anybody that advises a JW not to seek legal action in such case should be exposed and dealt with because he is going contrary to laid down laws, both Biblical and secular

johnw47:
of course you lied yet again when you said: Father and the Word is God is a fraud
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

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janosky post * * *

Johnw lying Pharisee repeated his lies "Father and the word is God"

John 1:1" In the beginning ( of creation) ...the Word was with God & the Word WAS God"
In the past (many aeons ago) the Word was with God (two spirits naim them be).
"And the Word WAS God" because (v3 " THROUGH him all things were made .." Many aeons ago, the Word worked as the agent for Yahweh's creative works). He "WAS God " (past tense) by nature, but not God his FATHER.
(Past, Present & Future, his FATHER Jehovah is "one God" 1cor8:6).

[quote author = johnw47]**
once again, the Father is Spoken of in those verses being the one true God
and in john 1:1 the Father and the Word is spoken of as being the one true God, and shows God to be two persons
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janosky post * ***
Johnw lying Pharisee "Father" was never stated in John 1:1, you are scared to say "God and the Word is God" because it will make you look stupid & further expose your scam called Trinity.

[quote author = Johnw47]**
Father gives message to His Son, because that is His way, and again, Father is not the Son He is the Father, ha ha oh know nothing
Father and the word are the one true God, john 1:1 plus
they are not two gods, a mighty god jesus and a almighty god father, as you false jw's believe in

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Janosky post * * **
Because Yahweh is greater than Jesus, Yahweh is the Supreme Head ,Jesus must serve as Messenger for Yahweh.(
John 14:28,1cor11:3)
Proof that Jesus is NOT Jehovah
Johnw lying Pharisee is not honest
Mighty God or mighty god, it is the same thing in Greek & Hebrew. More so ,it is scripturally OK .(Isaiah 9:6& Deu7:21.Gen49:24. Ps82:1,6 KJV).



[quote author = John w47]of course Father God is a person and a Spirit, and
of course the Word is a person and the same Spirit as His Father
two persons, one God, john 1:1 plus, just ask, laugh

once again for the ?? time know nothing Janosky/OneJ
Father God is a Spirit, Jesus is the begotten Son of His Father, so He has that same Spirit which is God
and God is one spirit, not two as you believe,

janosky post * * * * *
Johnw lying Pharisee twister & spiritual fraudster.
"The Word was with God" ,that is two different spirits, or two persons.
U sabi lie for Africa.
"The word became flesh", the Word was a spirit before he became flesh.
"My God my God why have you forsaken me'
Triune God was praying to Triune God.
Johnw lying Pharisee, spiritual fraudster.

johnw47:
truly Father is God, do you want some verses on that? duh
and John 1:1 does say "the word was God", oh confused cannot stop lying false jw
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 



ha ha, truly the son is not the Father
and truly Father and the Word is God, two persons being the one true God, john 1:1
Father is not a messanger, etc. etc. etc.

brocab:
The JW's are rude and argumentative, I couldn't settle with these disrespectful JW's to enter into my home-not even for a minute.[/color]
These have no morals, I expect Christians to behave much more then these guy's do!
Every time we have shared the Trinity scam-they have tried to rip it down like there's no tomorrow, and these are the guy's who claim to be Christian!!
Our learning skills are below zero- doesn't fit in anywhere- I maybe someone who is lonely, who's sitting at home-wanting someone to like him- I'm someone who can't wear sheep clothing, and there's good reason why I can be a wolf.

johnw47:
Jesus was a messanger for His Father, a representive, Jesus is Fathers only begotten Son
Father is the Father of Jesus oh duh false jw yes he is, Father is Jesus God, so true

and Father called Jesus God, and Father and the Word is God, heb 1:8 and john 1:1

johnw47:
the truty is isaiah called Jesus Jehovah and then called Him God in the same verse, oh lying false jw:

Isaiah 40:3 NWT Bible-Listen! Someone is calling out in the wilderness: “Clear up the way of Jehovah(referring to Jesus),YOU people! MAKE the highway for our God(referring to Jesus) through the desert plain straight.





if you believed God you would only be half as evil as you are
devils believe God but not false jw's

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God.

of a truth your explanations are so stupidity brain confused
and you repeat the same things over and over again that have been explained to you with scripture backing
which of course you don't believe, read back through my posts and see the answers, oh truly duh know nothing

johnw47:
lying pharisee deceiver Johnw47 you have been reduced to having nothing at all

johnw47:
confused false jw Janosky you are shown wrong every post, ha ha
here we go over and over again with the same things because you have no understanding
you play with words and grammar and know nothing of the Spirit of God's word, of course
yes Mighty God is a title for Jesus at isa 9:6
and mighty God is also a title for Jehovah at deu 7:21 and elsewhere
Deu_7:21  Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the LORD thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible.


(Janosky post 1)
**** After fighting against the truth & making your false claims, you have finally admitted that the scriptural points I have been making are valid.



Mighty God and the Mighty God is the one true God,
and truly again, there are not two mighty gods like you believe, Mighty God Jesus and the Mighty God Father, laughing
Mighty God and Almighty God are names for the one true God,.



(Janosky post 2)
****Gen49:24 "mighty God of Jakob", is that a name for Jehovah? pls receive sense.
Why revert back to your lies after you admitted here that "Mighty God" is a title.
You are a crook,very dubious, mighty god (s ),Mighty God have similar meaning in Hebrew & Greek, go check it out your self.



Jehovah God is not called a Son,
Father and the word is Jehovah God, the word became flesh, the Son of God
God in the Spirit, Son of God in the flesh,



(Janosky post 3)
*** Mr Liar ,Jesus says he is a spirit son of God in heaven.
"The beginning of the creation by God,... I conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne" Rev3:14,21.




why would Jesus Christ have to give authority to His Father God
and why would Jesus Christ want to give another title or name to His Father,



(Janosky post4)
***"The Father is greater than I" John 14:28,Jesus has no power to give name/ title to his Head, his Father & God (John20:17,30,31.1 cor11:3) proof he is not a triune god. U lied.

johnw47:
lying pharisee deceiver Johnw
you posted the exact same post twice on this page just like you repeat everything over and over again
the reasons are various:
1. you have nothig else
2. you are confused
3. you are duh
4. you have been blinded
5. you are of your father the devil

brocab:
-it doesn't matter how Jesus address His God from other scriptures-we are focused on Isaiah, Malachi, Mark, Matthew, {John 5:43, John 7:16}[/color] I have come in my Father's name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.
{Isaiah 40:3, Mark 1:3, Matthew 3:3, Malachi 3:1} is pretty obvious who this verse is talking about, The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the Lord:
The last book of the Old Testament-Malachi was written at least 400 years before the New testament, "Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord {adonai},whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming," says the Lord [YHWH] of hosts.
Notice that according to the quotes above, John the Baptist was sent to prepare the way for Jehovah. {Isaiah 40:3} says that John is to clear the way for YHWH {Jehovah} John the baptist is the messenger!
In Malachi it is God who says that "he will clear the way before Me." Yet we see that the fulfillment of these verses is found in the arrival of Jesus.

johnw47:
of course Jesus came in His Fathers name, how could He do otherwise, Father and the Word is Jehovah God,

Isaiah 40:3 NWT Bible-Listen! Someone is calling out in the wilderness: “Clear up the way of Jehovah,YOU people! MAKE the highway for our God through the desert plain straight.

referring to Jesus, john the baptist said "Clear up the way of Jehovah"

some bibles say: "Prepare ye the way of the LORD"
with the word LORD being used for YHWH-Jehovah

referring to Jesus again, the bible says: "MAKE the highway for our God through the desert plain straight

brocab:
I don't need another chance-a Child could see this-but you can't? Two verses from different bibles lining up with each other, both bibles claiming John the baptist is sent to make way for Jehovah or Jesus to arrive, "Both names are equal with each other..
You demanded if Jehovah has a Father-these both verses from different bibles, had proven "Yes" to your question" you had always said: Jesus can't be Jehovah at the same time; so if this isn't the case-then who is John preparing the way for, If not Jehovah-Jesus?
{Isaiah 40:3} NWT Bible-Listen! Someone is calling out* in the wilderness:+ “Clear up the way* of Jehovah,+ YOU people! MAKE the highway for our God through* the desert plain straight.*:
{Isaiah 40:3} The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the Lord; Make straight in the desert
A highway for our God.
We are clearly told that John was sent to 'prepare the way' for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ {Mark 1:2-3}The voice crying in the wilderness is John the baptist-preparing the way for Jesus, in your bible Jehovah..

brocab:
I don't need another chance-a Child could see this-but you can't? Two verses from different bibles lining up with each other, both bibles claiming John the baptist is sent to make way for Jehovah or Jesus to arrive, "Both names are equal with each other..
You demanded if Jehovah has a Father-these both verses from different bibles, had proven "Yes" to your question" you had always said: Jesus can't be Jehovah at the same time; so if this isn't the case-then who is John preparing the way for, If not Jehovah-Jesus?
{Isaiah 40:3} NWT Bible-Listen! Someone is calling out* in the wilderness:+ “Clear up the way* of Jehovah,+ YOU people! MAKE the highway for our God through* the desert plain straight.*:
{Isaiah 40:3} The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the Lord; Make straight in the desert
A highway for our God.
We are clearly told that John was sent to 'prepare the way' for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ {Mark 1:2-3}The voice crying in the wilderness is John the baptist-preparing the way for Jesus, in your bible Jehovah..

johnw47:
lying pharisee deceiver janosky
yes mighty God is a name-title
what is your confusion, ha ha



ha ha, once again, Father and the Word are the one God, two persons in the one God,



pharisee Janosky/OneJ
you cannot stop lying ofcourse, john 1:1 is not about the nature of God but about Father and the Word being God



ha ha, no the word is not the Father, but He and the Father is Almighty God Jehovah, john 1 plus




Proverbs 19:9 A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will perish.
Proverbs 14:5 A faithful witness does not lie, but a false witness [b]breathes out lies

Janosky:
Foolish crooked twister, johnw lying Pharisee "mighty God is a name- title..."

" I appeared to Abraham to Isaac and to Jakob as God Almighty but by name Jehovah (YHWH) I did not make myself known to them"
Exodus 6:3

"That men may know that you whose name is JEHOVAH, you ALONE are the Most High "
Psalms 83:18.

"You ALONE are the Most High" means Only One God, not father and the word", but u johnw lying Pharisee keeps twisting John1:1 because your dead brain doesn't understand the Bible.

In John 1:1, The word is of the nature of God his Father, (of course every Son has his father's nature, attributes) but he is NOT the Father,Almighty God, Jehovah.
** We are partakers of the divine nature, just like Jesus but none of us is God ALMIGHTY Jehovah.
2Pet1:4.

johnw47:
i am the one showing with scripture that Mighty God and Almighty God are names for the one true God.

Janosky:
It's crystal clear that you are in fact brain dead & you reason from your anus.

After you read in your own Bible that man is a "Mighty God ( Ps82:1,6) ; Jehovah is called Mighty God @ Deut7:21 & Jesus is too @Isa9:6, you keep recycling your stupidity here.
Guy eee done tayy u lost your sense

johnw47:
truly Mighty God is a name-title for the one true God
there is not a mighty god jesus and the mighty god father,

brocab:
How many times do we need to show you 'blind man, Jehovah is Jesus according to the NWT-KJ's version!
So if these both scriptures are right-then we still have God to be the Father of Jehovah Jesus!
{Isaiah 40:3} NWT Bible-Listen! Someone is calling out* in the wilderness:+ “Clear up the way* of Jehovah,+ YOU people! MAKE the highway for our God through* the desert plain straight.*:
{Isaiah 40:3} The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the Lord; Make straight in the desert
A highway for our God.

johnw47:
i am the one showing with scripture that Mighty God and Almighty God are names for the one true God
you polytheist Janosky/OneJ on the other hand in your great confusion keep saying Jesus and Father are two mighty gods, jesus "a" mighty god and father "the" mighty god,


a, mary is not the mother of God
the Word Jesus created all that is created long before mary existed

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johnw47:
NWT Isaiah 40:3 A voice of one calling out in the wilderness:
Clear up the way of Jehovah!
Make a straight highway through the desert for our God.







NWT Matthew 3:1 In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Ju·deʹa,
2 saying: “Repent, for the Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near."
3 This, in fact, is the one spoken of through Isaiah the prophet in these words: “A voice of one calling out in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of Jehovah! Make his roads straight.’




in the old testament the hebrew for "the LORD" is the tetragrammaton "YHWH"
in the new testament the greek for "the Lord"-Jehovah according to NWT is "kurios" as in matthew 3:3 above

Jesus is referred to as "the Lord-kurios" many times,
just one example:
Luk_2:11  For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ "the Lord"-

Christ, "the Lord-kurios",
Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us

johnw47:
NWT Isaiah 40:3 A voice of one calling out in the wilderness:
Clear up the way of Jehovah!
Make a straight highway through the desert for our God.







NWT Matthew 3:1 In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Ju·deʹa,
2 saying: “Repent, for the Kingdom of the heavens has drawn near."
3 This, in fact, is the one spoken of through Isaiah the prophet in these words: “A voice of one calling out in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of Jehovah! Make his roads straight.’




in the old testament the hebrew for "the LORD" is the tetragrammaton "YHWH"
in the new testament the greek for "the Lord"-Jehovah according to NWT is "kurios" as in matthew 3:3 above

Jesus is referred to as "the Lord-kurios" many times,
just one example:
Luk_2:11  For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ "the Lord"-

Christ, "the Lord-kurios",
Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us

Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisee brain dead stupidity is beyond redemption.
"Father and the Word ,(Jesus )is Jehovah" yet Jesus is JEHOVAH'S son.

Keep rehashing your stale outdated falsehood & twisting of the holy Bible...

**** FOR THE RECORDS.

El Gibbor "mighty God" is a title for Jesus at Isaiah 9:6, a title for Jehovah God in Deu7:21.

Johnw lying Pharisee economizes the truth .

"God stands in the congregation of the mighty;He judges among the gods"
"I said you are gods. You are all sons of the Most High"
Psalms 82:1,6

Mighty God (in Hebrew & Greek, god, God meaning the same thing) is also a title for men.

Yahweh judges among mighty gods.

Johnw lying Pharisee & him wayo na 5& 6 , your false claims amounts to fiction.

TATIME:
Abraham spoke to Jehovah. Genesis 18:3-5
Moses spoke to Jehovah FACE TO FACE. Deuteronomy 34:10, Exodus 33:11, Numbers 12:8
Yet Jehovah said "no man can see my face and keep living!" Exodus 34:20
Well if you agree that the Bible doesn't contradict itself,try to explain what is happening here.
But before you attempt solving the riddle, permit me to tell you what JWs thought me when i was studying the Bible with them{before i became one of Jehovah's Witnesses} about the above riddle!
Jehovah has never left HIS heavenly throne for once.But each time HE sends an angel to speak and act in HIS place before humans! Exodus 23:20,21
So whatever this angel speaks would be like Jehovah is speaking from HIS heavenly throne while the angel is the one visible to humans "uttering Jehovah's word". John 1:1
Therefore wherever such angel goes it is God that's going there! That's why when Jacob struggled with Jehovah's angel, it was recorded "Jacob fought GOD and won!" Genesis 32:28
So Jehovah sent John the baptist{HIS prophet} ahead of Jesus {who is coming in Jehovah's name}! Matthew 21:9 Just as HE sent Moses who stood before his contemporaries as a representative of Jehovah,that's why those Israelites decided to make "another God" that will lead them when they can't find Moses! Exodus 32:1 compared to Exodus 7:1
Jesus came to REPRESENT Jehovah so whatever He does is exactly what Jehovah would have done if HE is here on earth! Israelites rejected Samuel{Jehovah's representative} and Jehovah told Samuel "It is i that they've rejected as KING" 1Samuel 8:7
So if anyone wants to convince one of Jehovah's Witnesses that Jehovah is Jesus,then such a person should be prepared to explain all of these. NOT just holding a text that shows the reader is yet to grasp the overall message and expecting a "fully competent and completely equipped" ordained minister of God {who has given so much time to meditating on the scriptures~Psalm 1:2}{2Timothy 3:16,17} to accept INCOMPLETE knowledge! Roman 10:1-3

johnw47:
yes Mighty God is a title for Jesus at isa 9:6
and mighty God is also a title for Jehovah at deu 7:21 and elsewhere
Deu_7:21  Thou shalt not be affrighted at them: for the LORD thy God is among you, a mighty God and terrible.
and of course Father and the word is Jehovah God, john 1:1 and many others = Father and the word is Almighty God


also again, Mighty God and the Mighty God is the one true God,
and truly again, there are not two mighty gods like you believe, Mighty God Jesus and the Mighty God Father, laughing
Mighty God and Almighty God are names for the one true God.

of course Jehovah God is not called a Son,
Father and the word is Jehovah God, the word became flesh, the Son of God
God in the Spirit, Son of God in the flesh,




why would Jesus Christ have to give authority to His Father God

brocab:
{John 5:20} [/color] The Watchtowers quote: And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. {This is the true God and life everlasting} This is actually telling us Jesus and His Father are One..

brocab:
It's understandable when the truth is revealed, the JW's have removed {1 John 5:7} For there are three witness bearers: NWT bible..
The truth of the matter is--{V 10} The person putting his faith in the Son of God has the witness within himself.
The person not having faith in God has made him a liar, because he has not put his faith in the witness given by God concerning his Son.
{V 11} And this is the witness, that God gave us everlasting life, and this life is in his Son. The one who has the Son has this life; the one who does not have the Son of God does not have this life.
I write you these things so that you may know that you have life everlasting, you who put your faith in the name of the Son of God.
NWT {V 20} But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight* so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true.
And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. {This is the true God and life everlasting}
I find the Watchtower body is divided-the toes is not connected to the foot, the head is separated from the rest of the body-if you JW's knew what your bible had written in the first place we wouldn't be having this pointless argument.
As we can see someone in the Watchtower had made a terrible mistake, or maybe, someone didn't make a mistake, everything the Watchtower had printed on their presses, were proven to be true and correct-copy right by the Watchtower..
So Janosky are you lying once more-allow me to rewrite it again-the Watchtower had written Jesus is one with His Father the Almighty God! They said: and they believed "Jesus is the true God..
And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. {This is the true God and life everlasting}

Janosky:
Brocab lying Pharisee can not refute the genuine ,solid proof that 1John5:7(KJV) is a FRAUD.
Shame on you for posting TRASH to slander Jehovah's name.
1John5:7kjv is a FRAUD.
Gbagam !!!!!!

brocab:
"Jesus is the true God..

Ken4Christ:
I am really shocked this thread is still on. Don't waste your megabytes for Jehovah witnesses. They have made up their mind to argue to support their opinions even when evidences proves otherwise. The carnal mind cannot receive the things of the Spirit of God. So, it is impossible for them to understand whatever you are trying to explain. What they need first is salvation. They have to be born again. Otherwise, every argument will be fruitless. Dishonesty is part of the nature of the the flesh. So, it has to show in their arguments.

Janosky:
*Deu6:4"Our God is one Jehovah' & 1 Cor8:6"one God the Father who is the Source of all things" & John17:3" Jehovah "the only true God", NULLIFIED your fake & twisted "I and the Father are one" claims.
*1st Jamb Question :
I challenge you to provide proof that Jesus bestowed authority/title/ name on Jehovah his Father and God.
brocab lying Pharisee Answers:
Thomas said " my lord and my God" to Jesus when he saw him"
Score: Zero ,for obvious reasons
(Iti bolibo.. that's what Trinity has done to brocab .., he lied to defend a lie.)


Shame on you brocab lying Pharisee.

brocab:
Your knowledge of the bible is very poor-how do any of you sleep at nights..
I remember sometime ago, I was a driver-and I was asked the drive a man casual dressed to his destination, while we were travelling-I found he was a talkative man, he witnessed to me about Jehovah-"A god he never knew"-while speaking-I asked one question, was he a true believer of Jehovah-He said: "No" I asked him why does he witness: he said his parents are JW's, this man reminds me of you Janosky-he spoke of a god he never knew..
Some time later-I was asked to pick someone up at a brothel-it was the same man, he looked at me and said: do I know you?
I said: not really-he remembered while he put his head down in shame.
God see's everything-we can't hide from God-this man's hidden agenda wasn't hidden from the Lord-nor is your's Janosky, your mouth is also a brothel...

johnw47:
truly Mighty God and Almighty God are names referring to the one true God
not names referring to two gods as you believe in, mighty god jesus
and almighty god jehovah, ha ha such polytheist nonsense

johnw47:
lying pharisee deceiver jano/OneJ
oh duh confused false jw of no understanding
once again, mary gave birth to Jesus flesh-the son of God, and not to His Spirit-the Word of God
who is eternal and created everything that was created,
by the way mary didn't exist then, oh duh know nothing jw, laughing




lying pharisee deceiver jano/OneJ
you are the great false accuser, after your daddy of course, you reject all truth and call it lies
but then you jano/OneJ have nothing other than the things of your father:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

johnw47:
truly there is only one God, He is called Mighty God, He is called Almighty God
He is not two god's almighty god the father and mighty god the son