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johnw47:
truly Jesus is God the Word,
Jesus is both man in the flesh and God in the Spirit
Jesus is Immanuel(God with us) of course

Isa 7:14  Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

mary isn't the mother of God,

Jesus Spirit-the Word of God is God, john 1:1, and truly mary didn't give birth to the Word of God(Spirit)
who created everything that exists, long before mary herself was born

johnw74:
Jesus is God in the flesh, God in human form (see John 1:1, 14). God came to earth to teach us, heal us, correct us, forgive us—and die for us! Jesus Christ is God, the Creator.

*"Jesus is God in the flesh,God in human form. (See John 1:1,14)"
*"God came to earth.... and die for us"

* "Mary gave birth to Jesus, his name is Immanuel (God with us)"

According to the Johnw lying Pharisee, Mary gave birth to " Jesus God in the flesh,God in human form"
"Mary isn't the mother of God",
Foolish johnw lying Pharisee is a crooked twister of the holy scriptures.
Johnw lying Pharisee is the unofficial recipient of the Nobel Prize for Stupidity.
Him mouth speaks deception from both sides. Trinity is a scam & satanic doctrine perfected by modern day con men & Pharisees better known as Christendom.

johnw47:
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Foolish johnw lying Pharisee, crooked twister of the holy scriptures, Isaiah 7:14, Jehovah's prophetic word says "the virgin (Mary )will give birth to a son, ("the son of God " Luke 1:31,32) but u lied that the virgin gave birth to God.
If Catholics say Mary is ' Mother of God', you will raise up arms against them & condemn it, but it's the same lie u claim to hate that U, Johnw lying Pharisee is parading here.
Shameless hypocrite & liar.
"God is with Joshua(Jos1:9), God is with Israel(Isaiah 41:8-13) "God is with us" (Rom8:31) isn't meaning
I am Almighty God or that you are God.

Janosky:
Brocab lying Pharisee is an unrepentant LIAR.
Go & quarrel with got questions.org , your fellow Pharisee triune god worshipper, they said your satanic doctrine is "difficult to understand & explain",no be me talk am.
Why e dey pain you?
.* It is even worse that you have come to a public forum & peddle a 419 ,lie lie verse wey the whole world know say your fellow Pharisees added to the holy Bible (1John5:7kjv).

*"The source material of the king James version, the Textus Receptus, adds a reference to
"The Father, the Word and the holy ghost".
This phrase is NOT found in any of the earliest manuscripts, and wasn't even in the earliest produced copies of the Textus Receptus...."

https://www.bibleref.com/
1-John/5/1-John-5-7.html

The evidence dey too much.
Go check other Bibles apart from kJV & the few ones based on Textus Receptus,that fraud is not 1Jn 5:7.
Everything about Trinity is dubious, that is why your fellow Pharisees confessed they are confused by the lie .

Brocab lying Pharisee can not refute the genuine ,solid proof that 1John5:7(KJV) is a FRAUD.
Shame on you for posting TRASH to slander Jehovah's name.
1John5:7kjv is a FRAUD.
Gbagam !!!!!!

brocab:
It doesn't take rocket science to work out-when Jesus said: I and the Father are one-this gives us enough evidence to prove who Jesus is to His Father, how about when His disciples recognises who Jesus is, the miracle becomes more greater to believe. [/color]
Thomas's statement in {John 20:28} where he said "My Lord and My God" to Jesus when he saw him.
Did Jesus rebuke Thomas "No" did Jesus say to Thomas don't say that because I am not God? "No"..Is Jesus a lair-because He never corrected Thomas, "No" but does this make you out to be a lair denying the truth, "Yes" "Jesus blessed the testimony of Thomas and therefore acknowledging that Thomas was right in calling him God.

*Deu6:4"Our God is one Jehovah' & 1 Cor8:6"one God the Father who is the Source of all things" & John17:3" Jehovah "the only true God", NULLIFIED your fake & twisted "I and the Father are one" claims.
*1st Jamb Question :
I challenge you to provide proof that Jesus bestowed authority/title/ name on Jehovah his Father and God.
brocab lying Pharisee Answers:
Thomas said " my lord and my God" to Jesus when he saw him"
Score: Zero ,for obvious reasons
(Iti bolibo.. that's what Trinity has done to brocab .., he lied to defend a lie.)

* Jesus knows Jehovah face to face& told his disciples (including Thomas):
"I am ascending to my Father and your Father,and to my God and your GOD" John 20:17,18.

Jehovah, the Father &God of Jesus is also the God of Thomas, O brocab !!!
U rejected Master Jesus's decree and hang on to the outburst of his disciple,Thomas.

Shame on you brocab lying Pharisee.

Hairyrapunzel:
Still no bible passage on what you stated. Be lying on top bible head. Liar.

Gubernatorial Candidate for Uselu/Yaba Kolo State ,you have no brain to reason and understand anything.
I found out that Nairalanders ( for instance, 'eyinjuege' & many others) have attested to that....
Get out ta here,boy.

Hairyrapunzel:
See somebody that is calling another a liar. You that cannot use bible to prove your doctrines. You must use encyclopedia or history gotten from secular sources. Lol.

Gubernatorial Candidate for Uselu/Yaba Kolo State, go &look after your constituency.
I no get your time...

johnw47:
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Fraudulent Johnw lying Pharisee ,that statement in Phil 2:10 began from v9..
"Therefore (Jehovah) God has highly exalted him and has freely bestowed on (Jesus) the name that is above every name..."

"(Jehovah) God has raised this Jesus to life ,and of that we all (his disciples) are witnesses" Acts2:32
( 419 johnw ,Jesus never raised himself)
*" Exalted (Jesus) to the right hand of God,he has received from the Father the promised holy spirit.."
Acts2:33.

*" Now they know and understand that all YOU ( Jehovah) have given me (Jesus) belongs to YOU"
John 17:7
Your " triune god Jesus" is forever inferior to Jehovah, the Supreme & only true God (John 17:3,that is why Jesus always received (power/ authority/ titles/ holy spirit etc) from Jehovah God,
johnw lying Pharisee,
I challenge you to name from your Bible one title/name/ position that Jesus bestowed on Jehovah his Father & God.

brocab:
]I wasn't expecting you to know the Trinity Word, it means a group of three things or people: in Christianity, the existence of one God in three forms, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit


"God in Three Persons--The Trinity Explained" explaining the God head {Genesis 1:1-2, 1 Corinthians 8:6, 2 Corinthians 3:17, 13:14, Colossians 1:15-17, 2:9, Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 44:6, John 1:14, John 10:30, 36, Luke 1:35, Matthew 28:19, Matthew 3:16-17, John 14:16-17, Romans 14:17-18, Luke 3:21-22, 1 Peter 1:1-2, 2 Corinthians 1:21- 22, 1 Corinthians 12:4-6, Ephesians 4:4-6, John 14:9-11, Philippians 2:5-8}

Brocab lying Pharisee misquoted scriptures...
I dey come ....
1Cor8:6 points out the wayo u dey quote with Gen1:1-2...

* " For us (Jesus disciples) there is one God (Jehovah),the Father (minus son and holy spirit), Who is the Source of all things..." ,
Jesus is "one lord"
1Cor8:6

* Who made Jesus "one lord" ?
"God (Jehovah) made Jesus lord and Christ" Acts2:36.

* Gen1:26
"God ( Jehovah) said,'Let us make man in our image ..."
* Jehovah whom Paul called "the one God, the Father originated the thought/idea ("Let us make man.." for creation.
"Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" (minus Jesus and holy spirit)
Deut 6:4.

* Isa44:6 is specific reference to JEHOVAH ( Deu6:4 & 1cor8:6 circumvented any dubious ploy to link it to Jesus in Rev1:17 and further disproved trinitarian misinterpreted John 10:30).


*Rev1:17 is specific reference to Jesus. why? v13 says he is son of man (Daniel 7:13,14 revealed it's Jesus). v18 says he died & came back to life.
But Jehovah is immortal. Nobody can change that. (Ps90:2. 1tim1:17)

* The evidence is too overwhelming. Jesus is NOT Jehovah.

* Other scriptures mentioned by brocab lying Pharisee are actually misquoted portions of the scriptures. (I will respond to them later...)
This guy who used a fake, corrupted 1John5:7(KJV) for his satanic doctrine will forge more lies & claim it's from the Bible.

Janosky:
Brocab lying Pharisee is deceiving himself.
"There is no way to perfectly and completely understand it.
Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand ,let alone explain"
https://gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html

Your fellow Pharisees confessed that satanic doctrine/ concept of a triune god is "the most difficult thing" to "completely understand" ,
because you don't have the holy spirit at all !!
Your fellow lying Pharisee, Johnw
confessed same that it's hard for him to explain/ understand how the holy spirit is Godkind.

*Jesus said the helper, the holy spirit, will teach his followers all things and they would understand the truth John 14:26. 1joh2:27, whereas your satanic doctrine has confused all of you because your triune god is not the only true God
Jehovah.

brocab:
We are not all teaching various versions of just the Trinity-we are preaching everything from the Bible..
This is the trinity you refuse to understand: {1 John 5:7} For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
One Father, One Son and the Holy Spirit-are three persons in One-this is the Word of God-we preach to you, nothing more-we have explained it to you' in our ways of understanding the scriptures-we have spent hours a day searching the scriptures-everything we have given you is written in the bible.
And still you have refused it' even after you have read the very same verses, "from your bibles.
[color=#000099]So it's not directly our teachings to you, it's bible teachings we share with you. It's these teaching's we Christians believe, the bible isn't only written for the natural 'but in Spirit-In the natural you know-In the Spirit you don't know

Brocab lying Pharisee is an unrepentant LIAR.
Go & quarrel with got questions.org , your fellow Pharisee triune god worshipper, they said your satanic doctrine is "difficult to understand & explain",no be me talk am.
Why e dey pain you?
.* It is even worse that you have come to a public forum & peddle a 419 ,lie lie verse wey the whole world know say your fellow Pharisees added to the holy Bible (1John5:7kjv).

*"The source material of the king James version, the Textus Receptus, adds a reference to
"The Father, the Word and the holy ghost".
This phrase is NOT found in any of the earliest manuscripts, and wasn't even in the earliest produced copies of the Textus Receptus...."

https://www.bibleref.com/
1-John/5/1-John-5-7.html

The evidence dey too much.
Go check other Bibles apart from kJV & the few ones based on Textus Receptus,that fraud is not 1Jn 5:7.
Everything about Trinity is dubious, that is why your fellow Pharisees confessed they are confused by the lie .

johnw47:
confusion is your middle name

Olaadegbu Jnr is not the person of OTUNBA OLAADEGBU, Olaadegbu Jnr and OTUNBA OLAADEGBU are human
the same as
Jesus is not the person of His Father, Jesus and His Father are God, john 1 plus

Shut up there.
U have said here that "Father and the word is two person in one spirit which is God", (U done confuse u dey forget your "Father and I are one" mantra).
In other words, the son is the God the father is.

Why u dey deceive yourself dey shift 'goal post?'
Johnw lying Pharisee,coman explain how your 'holy ghost' fits into your Godkind?
Lol

brocab:
-you don't understand the Trinity word-because you don't have the Spirit of the Lord in you to understand it's meaning! [/color]

Brocab lying Pharisee is deceiving himself.
"There is no way to perfectly and completely understand it.
Trinity is a concept that is impossible for any human being to fully understand ,let alone explain"
https://gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html

Your fellow Pharisees confessed that satanic doctrine/ concept of a triune god is "the most difficult thing" to "completely understand" ,
because you don't have the holy spirit at all !!
Your fellow lying Pharisee, Johnw
confessed same that it's hard for him to explain/ understand how the holy spirit is Godkind.

*Jesus said the helper, the holy spirit, will teach his followers all things and they would understand the truth John 14:26. 1joh2:27, whereas your satanic doctrine has confused all of you because your triune god is not the only true God
Jehovah.

Kingosytex:
most churches are business enterprises and as such strive to make ends meet inorder not to run on a net loss. the politicians pay more than other members of the church, that is why the front seats and rows are always reserved for them. in summary, they apply "the-more-you-pay-the-closer-to-the-front-principle"

Gbam.
Enter any kingdom hall of Jehovah's Witnesses & sit down anywhere that pleases you & enjoy the spiritually nourishment of God's word.
No passing around of boxes for offering or public announcement/praise of high net worth donors/ individuals(Matt6:1-4. Luke 21:1-4. 2cor9:7).
* Quietly go the contribution box at the extreme end , after the last row of seats & make voluntary contributions(if u wish).

[quote author=OLAADEGBU post=57176297][/quote]"Birth and creation are not equivalent terms.... Other Bible scholars have demonstrated that the word "born" does not mean to be created..."
Olaadegbu lying Pharisee deceiving himself.

"Before the mountains were born or you (Jehovah) brought forth the earth and the world....." Ps90:2

How did Jehovah BORN the mountains?
"Synonyms For Create"
*Conceive...
*Generate
*Beget (Begotten)
* Give birth to
*etc
https://www.thesaurus.com


"What is another word for birth?"
*Nativity
* CREATION
*Producing etc
*NOUN Synonyms
*Beginning
*Genesis
*Formation etc
.https://www.wordhippo.com

*Born Synonyms
* Birth
*Nativity
* Begot
*Begotten
https://www.powerthesaurus.org

OLAADEGBU lying Pharisee & his lying Pharisee Bible scholars,
Get out ta here with your satanic doctrine .

OLAADEGBU:
Was Jesus created?

This is another half truth and lie that the Watchtower magazine uses in deceiving folks that Jesus Christ was created and not begotten. Let's study the bible text below to arrive at the truth.

"Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers:  all things were created by him, and for him. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.."  (Colossians 1:12-17).

Now let's focus on Colossians 1:15:

Does Colossians 1:15 highligted above teach that Jesus was created?

You will see here that Jesus is called the "first-born" of all creation.   The term "first-born" here does not imply "first-created" those two words mean two different things.   

You can see from the following points that Paul was not teaching that Jesus was created and he was definitely not saying that He was the firstborn of all creation: 

Birth and creation are not equivalent terms.  For example, the Bible teaches that Jesus was born of a virgin, but this does not mean that Jesus was created the day He was born of Virgin Mary and since birth and creation happen at different times, they cannot mean the same thing.

There are two different Greek words for "first-born" and "first-created" and Paul used the word which means "first-born" not "first-created"

Paul was not teaching that Jesus Christ is a created being because he further taught that Jesus Christ was really the Creator of all things.  If all things were created by Christ, He  cannot be created, otherwise there is something that Christ did not create and this verse would be in error when it states that Christ created all things.

Hebrews 1:10 and John 1:3 confirms that:

The Lord Jesus Christ is the Creator of everything that has been created and thus He must not be created, but God.

What does the title "first-born" mean?

Read what reputable Bible scholars say:

"This title refers to Christ's preeminent position and sovereignty over creation, not that He Himself is a part of creation.  In the Old Testament, the first-born had certain rights and a certain status, such as preeminence, a double share of the inheritance, the right of the priesthood, and supremacy.  And it can be distinctly seen from Genesis 49:3 that the meaning "priority of birth" or in "in time" has been overshadowed and even sometimes lost to the implication of the term meaning "supremacy" or "preeminence."  In other words, one does not have to have been "born first" to be called "first-born" because the term's primary meaning came to be "preeminence" and "supremacy," sometimes with nothing to do about birth."

When Paul calls Jesus the first-born, He is saying that Jesus has all the rights of the first-born and that He has the first-born status of supremacy and preeminence.  When Paul adds that He is the first-born of all creation, He is merely specifying what Christ's preeminence (i.e., His first-born status) applies to -- namely, all creation.

Furthermore, this passage clearly teaches Christ's deity.  Since the Uncreated Creator alone created all things (Isaiah 44:24; Hebrews 3:4), and Colossians tells us that Christ is the Creator, we can then conclude that Jesus is the Uncreated Creator.

Other Bible scholars have demonstrated that the word "born" does not mean to be "created" when we look at it from Jesus' title "Son of God."  Don't misconstrue this to mean that Jesus Christ must have come into existence at some point and that He is less than God, thinking that He is the Son of God, and not God, in just the same way that a human son comes into existence after their human father.  This might sound plausible at first, but upon proper observation it becomes clear that this cannot be the case. The Bible is very clear in defining the title Son of God" to mean that Jesus is of the same nature as God, just like a child is of the same nature as their parent.  And if Jesus Christ has God's nature, then He is, by definition, God, and therefore without a beginning.

Rubbish for the incinerator.

* OLAADEGBU & his fellow Pharisees are liars.
* Because his son, Olaadegbu Jnr has the nature of his father, OTUNBA OLAADEGBU, therefore, the son is definitely OTUNBA OLAADEGBU, may your sons never have this wacky thought IJNA.

QnVee:
Deut 4:2 KJV You shall not add to the word which I am commanding you nor take away from it that you may keep the commandments of the Lord.

2John 1:10 If there come any unto you and bring not this doctrine receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed. For he that bidders him God speed is a partaker of his evil deeds.

Don't be brainwashed. All we need is scripture and no other publication to explain scripture to us. Wisdom and understanding is an annointing from God through reading the scriptures. If you have an annointing from God you don't need any man to teach you. The same annointing teaches you all things. Study to show thyself approved by precept upon precept.
Believing any other doctrine makes one a whoremonger and prostitute to false beliefs and false prophets. It's spiritual adultery and fornication. In that day it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah than these false prophets and their followers.
A JW told me if I didn't call Him by the name Jehovah my prayers would not be heard because that's his real name. The letter J is only 400 years old and can't be found in kjv 1611. Scripture was originally written in Hebrew and Aramaic. Jehovah is Latin language. He is God, Elohim, El, Jah, El Shaddai, Yahweh, Yahuah, and many other names to different people.
If anyone thinks religion or denomination is going to matter in that day is being deceived. We must serve him in spirit (NOT FLESH) and in truth. [color=#770077][/color]

Qwantiinu to deceive yourself.

QnVee:
You spend more time talking about what you are against, not what you are for.
Pharisee love to spend their time convincing others. If they had to list the actions and issues they are against, the pencil would run out of lead. But turn around and ask them to list what they are for? The pencil would not have to be re-sharpened.

Pharisees believe their job is to defend God and legislate morality. So they are against drinking, smoking, cursing, short skirts, talking back to parents, holding hands before marriage, and so on. And all of these things come before the gospel. Or maybe they are the gospel. Modern-day Pharisees can’t tell the difference.

You believe God actually needs you.
Modern-day Pharisees believe God needs them on His team. They believe God is dependent upon them.

Let me be real with the modern-day Pharisees. If God needs a human being for His church to survive, He is not a God worth serving. Or worshipping. Or following.
You think your salvation is based on your works, not on Jesus.
Modern-day Pharisees believe in their works. That’s why they love James 2:14-26. But they skirt around passages about grace. Oh, yeah. They believe Jesus died on the cross for their sins. But they turn around and mock the cross by trying to earn their salvation.

QnVee, why e dey pain u nau?
Pls don't "defend God", u can legislate immorality, get drunk, invent offensive/ taboo words, put on suggestive dressing/grooming, smoke coke, increase your body count b4/after marriage,insult your elders & so on....
Don't worry, u will make heaven.
Jesus prepared a mansion for u,next door to his.
Where he is, you will always be.


"you think your salvation is based on your works..."
Ananias & Saphira were greedy & deceitful, but they were punished & went to heaven.
Shebi u see am?

God gave u grace to be a gifted person....

Pls don't border to study for your next semesters exams ("Grace cover nau) or don't read/study anything related to the exam subjects.
Just fast & pray until the D-Day,U must make top spot above your peers.
Grace cover you nau....
Lol

QnVee:
You read the Scriptures to substantiate your convictions, not to be shaped into God’s image.
During the time of Jesus, no one knew more Scripture than the Pharisees. They studied the Scriptures relentlessly.

Modern-day Pharisees do the same. But they turn around and use the knowledge to convince others why they are wrong. The Bible is their personal weapon. Modern-day Pharisees use it to throw rocks at all the misguided, evil sinners in the world.

To modern-day Pharisees, the Scriptures are not a means to grow into the image of God. It is a means to convince the world of fallacies and misguided theology.

That's what to expect from a gullible follower of "My Pastor said" fables.
The satanic doctrines & "motivational fairytale" of your pastorpreneurs are more important to you than the sacred words of the holy scriptures.
Lol.


Man was "created in God's image" (irrevocable & sacrosanct) but u wan "grow into the image of God", (or rather,'image of your triune pagan gods.')
Follower of my pastor said fables.
U just dey do all this write up here to console yourself,because your pastorpreneurs' satanic doctrines were laid bare for all to see....
Do,do,do,do......

QnVee:
All Members of your Congregation act just like You. No one is allowed to be different.
Pharisees are exclusive. They pick and choose who enters the group. But Jesus never valued exclusivity. Just look at his chosen twelve. A tax collector (Matthew). A doctor (Luke). Fishermen (Peter and Andrew). A Zealot (Simon). That’s a conglomerate of guys from many different backgrounds.

So, look around at your group? Is it essentially a collection of men and women cut from the same mold?
For modern-day Pharisees, Christian living is not so much about transforming into the image of God. It is more about living up to the standard of God. And no one can live up to God’s standard. Except Jesus.

This is a Pharisee trademark. Before non-Christians can be considered “part of the group,” they must conform to a certain lifestyle. Stop all of the cursing and drinking. And stop doing all the stuff “bad people” do.

Once potential followers “fix their lives,” modern-day Pharisees gladly welcome these people into their family. Just don’t revert back to “sinning” again. Membership in the group is always conditional.

Instead of meeting people where they are, modern-day Pharisees force people to come up to their level. And until these people live up to the standard, they will be on the outside looking in.

Fallacies with many loopholes.
That's what to expect from a gullible sheepie led by pastorpreneurs & all the gods of men 'oleys' of this world.


* "All Members of your Congregation act just like you"
Fallacy of generalization coming from a bigot.

"They pick & choose who enters the group"
* Jesus himself picked & choose
who became his disciples , it wasn't an all comers affair.

* "Before non Christians can be considered 'part of the group' to must conform to a certain lifestyle" shioor !
Jesus disapproved the rich young man who refused to conform to Jesus approved life style.

*Your pastorpreneurs & gods of men con men rubber stamped your anything goes life style ("no one can live up to God's standard " fallacy) as long as u pay your tithes religiously (from your premier bet money spinning lottery & shady biz , your 'u will make heaven' mantra is guaranteed), who cares?

*"Membership of the group is always conditional"
Jehovah no get righteous Standard? So , his servants/people no go get righteous standard?
(Membership of NBA, NMA ,NUJ, NSE/ COREN etc is always conditional. Stop deluding yourself).

For the same reason of Jesus disapproval of the rich young man.

johnw47:
1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

however you jano/onej do deny the Father and the Son in saying God's son is "a god", "a angel"
you are antichrist jano/onej



Jesus is the Son of God:
Joh_5:25  Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Father and the Word come Jesus Christ is God:
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 




Father and the Word is God, john 1:1 plus many others =
Father and the Word is Almighty-Mighty God, ask and i will post the scriptures again

Jesus is Jehovah, ask and i will post those scriptures again also

Jesus is the Christ and the Son of the Father

The Father is greater than the Son

My comments & criticism of your satanic doctrine has put the pressure on you to admit that Jesus is the son of God.
Still, you have towed the path of lies & stupidity -" Jesus is Jehovah", that's the same thing as saying that your son, Johnw junior is the Father, Johnw lying Pharisee.
Pls tell your son he is you,his father.
That's how stupid you have become. Lol

johnw47:
"do you understand the trinity"


you certinally don't false jw tatime
lets see how many lies you have there against Father and Son


1.Father didn't ask Himself to go to earth to save man
He asked the Word

2.the Word didn't agree with Himself
He agreed with Father

3.the word didn't volunteer Himself to Himself
He volunteered Himself to Father

4.Jesus didn't pray to himself
Jesus prayed to His Father

5.Jesus didn't glorify Himself repeatedly
He glorified His Father repeatedly

6.Jesus didn't strenghten Himself
but Father strenghened Him

7.Jesus never talked to Himself
but talked to His Father

8.Father never forsook Himself
Jesus disciples forsook Jesus and fled

9.Jesus never sacrificed Himself to prove His loyalty to Himself
Jesus was sacrificed for the sins of the world


Jesus did resurrect Himself, that one was obviously gotten right by mistake


10.Jesus didn't exalt Himself above Himself
Father exlted Jesus

11.Jesus didn't sit down at His own right hand
but sat at Fathers right hand

12.Father would not turn everything over to Himself
but would turn everything over to Jesus

13.not all things would become everything to Father
but all things would become everything to Jesus



false jw tatime you don't know that Father and the word is God
but you sure do love to mock Him


1Jn 2:22  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

an antichrist doesn't just deny the Son, he denies Father and Son
mockingly saying things like: "God prayed to himself and glorified himself repeatedly"


Father and Son are of course two persons in God

Johnw lying Pharisee& your fellow Pharisee who liked your post are crooks like your father the Devil.

* 1John2:22 speaks against u
Johnw lying Pharisee.
.
Your satanic doctrine denies Jesus is the son of Jehovah God by lying that "Jesus is God'
Again, your lie denies the Father's Supremacy as Almighty God by lying that Jesus is Jehovah, (1Cor11:3, Ps83:18).
But,whereas, JWs have consistently provided strong scriptural evidence that Jesus is the Christ & the son of Jehovah who is inferior to his Father.(John 14:28" the Father is greater than I".

Janosky:
The facts speaks for itself. Let's see...

*"Begotten is the past participle of the verb 'beget' which means to Father or produce as offspring.

You might recognize this word (begotten) from John 3:16,one of the most popular and most often quoted Bible verses
"For GOD so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son...." .
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/begotten

Jehovah PRODUCED Jesus Christ as his offspring (son).

Synonyms, Produced > Beget, Generated, CREATED, bring/brought forth, begotten,born etc

Go and quarrel with your Thesaurus/ Dictionary for further
exposure of your stupidity and falsehood called Trinity.

* No2
According to your comrade & fellow lying Pharisee, Johnw47:

"God is a spirit, one spirit" entity.

" Father and the Word is two person in one spirit which is God" entity.

Get outta here with your satanic doctrine & stupidity.

johnw47:
poor tormented lying pharisee deceiver jano/onej

you know you are copycatting and talking about yourself there:

Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Johnw lying Pharisee and Mr twister of the holy scriptures, deludes himself.
I repeat, go and quarrel with your Thesaurus/ Dictionary for exposure of your deceit & delusion.
Stupidity unleashed !

"My people talk say na "small breeze wey blow dey open fowl yan*h "

johnw47:
i agree
billions of people (plural) are human kind (singular)
just as Father and the Word (plural) are God kind (singular)


lions are anmal kind
daisy's are plant kind
angels are spirit kind, as God is, but angels of course are not God kind

only God and the Word is God kind, and the Holy Spirit, but that's more difficult to explain

Stupidity unleashed.

Emusan:
I believe you don't take the meaning of begotten here to mean as a mother given birth to a child.

The fact is Jesus was not CREATED


Where have you heard anyone saying The Father and Son are the same ENTITY?

The facts speaks for itself. Let's see...

*"Begotten is the past participle of the verb 'beget' which means to Father or produce as offspring.

You might recognize this word (begotten) from John 3:16,one of the most popular and most often quoted Bible verses
"For GOD so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son...." .
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/begotten

Jehovah PRODUCED Jesus Christ as his offspring (son).

Synonyms, Produced > Beget, Generated, CREATED, bring/brought forth, begotten,born etc

Go and quarrel with your Thesaurus/ Dictionary for further
exposure of your stupidity and falsehood called Trinity.

* No2
According to your comrade & fellow lying Pharisee, Johnw47:

"God is a spirit, one spirit" entity.

" Father and the Word is two person in one spirit which is God" entity.

Get outta here with your satanic doctrine & stupidity.

Emusan:
I can see how you stylishly boycotted your first lies which I exposed your ignorance about.

Now you resorted to another lie and begin to jump around

Look at the two bolden parts, it shows you're totally lost in the subject matter and you're diving into what you don't know. Instead of you to ask someone to tutor you, you keep exposing your ignorance.

Virtually, most JWs lack comprehensive understanding of TRINITY yet they fail to ask question.

Let me enlighten you so that you won't repeat the same mistake on public forum again.

Firstly, the word 'God' is a generic word like Human that differentiate the person of supreme Being from others i.e Angels, human, animals e.t.c

Secondly, to differentiate human from Animals the generic word 'human' can be use as ONE to refer to the entire people on earth.

Lastly, when we are talking about God we're simply saying the attributes that differentiate this entity from human or others. This is what happened to our early forefathers that made them to ascribed the word 'GOD' to different entities.

But what is the scriptural truth?
The truth is the ONLY TRUE GOD of the universe was not created, everlasting and uphold the universe with His own Power.

Yet all these are also true about Jesus Christ.

But what did you people say?
You agree that there's ONE TRUE God but also agreed that Jesus is also A god.

Yet you can't boldly answer if Jesus is a false god...

To solve the confusion you people are into, since Bible has already established that 'The Word' which became human and known as Jesus is uncreated, everlasting and uphold the universe with His own power yet different from the person who we know as Father. Then, He is God!

So just as billions of people living in the world today are ONE HUMAN (meaning we are of the same NATURE/ESSENCE) to other entities so the three PERSONS identified in the scripture as uncreated and everlasting are ONE TRUE God.

U are the liar here.
"Father and the word is two person in one spirit which is God" fallacy& your fake "nature/essence" meaning "everlasting & uncreated" fallacy was debunked.
U now lied that "entity" validated your fake doctrine.
The actual meaning of "entity" (Father exists separately, Jesus exists separately,with separate identity ,not your "one spirit which is God" fallacy) has exposed your lie, u resorted to name calling.
"One human " is now your faulty analogy which does not equate with ONE TRUE God.

Jehovah called his sons gods , Jesus himself said the sons of God are gods.
Jesus said " I am God's son", therefore Jesus is a god.
There are gods in heaven and on earth,Jesus is one of the gods.
The ONLY true God is Jehovah (the Father).

John 10:34-36. Ps82:6. 1cor8:4-6.

** Jehovah never called his sons 'false gods", u Pharisees cooked up that lie. (U have no proof for that lie.).
Questions for u:
*Mr man, "ONLY" ,'Most High' refers to how many person ( s) ?
* "Jehovah our God is one Jehovah" Deut6:4, how many person ( s) is 'one Jehovah'?
*Why was Jesus begotten & Jehovah was never begotten?

* Jesus called Jehovah "my Father and your Father & my God and your God, who is the Father and God of Jehovah?

*If Jesus is God,who is his head or has authority over Jesus?

Emusan:
I believe you don't take the meaning of begotten here to mean as a mother given birth to a child.

The fact is Jesus was not CREATED



Just so unfortunate that you can still cherry pick from your own link, anyway it's not new as JWs read but only pick any part that suits them and ignore the rest. just as they do to Bible.

From the link you provided, this was boldly written there: essence;
1. something that is, or exists; entity
2. that which makes something what it is; intrinsic, fundamental nature or most important quality (of something); essential being
3. a. a substance that keeps, in concentrated form, the flavor, fragrance, or other properties of the plant, drug, food, etc. from which it is extracted; essential oil
b. a solution of such a substance or oil in alcohol
c. a perfume
4. PHILOS.
a. the inward nature of anything, underlying its manifestations; true substance
b. the indispensable conceptual characteristics and relations of anything

But take a look at 1&2 and see how it falsified your point.



They are, stop displaying your ignorance here...from above point and the one here...

Nature: The basic or inherent features, character, or qualities of something. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/nature



So we can then say YOU and Jehovah have the same NATURE/ESSENCE as well since you possess those characteristics. isn't it?

Then why the need for John 1:1 if you as a human can have the same nature/essence as Jehovah.

From here, it's evident that it's either you're lost or ignorant of you're saying.



Where have you heard anyone saying The Father and Son are the same ENTITY?

johnw47:
God is a Spirit, one Spirit, not two

Father and the Word is two persons having the same one Spirit which is God

Father and the Word is two persons in God:

God is a Spirit:

two persons, one God-one Spirit

Mr man , your statement/question means that U condemned your comrade, Johnw comments & in the same breadth condemned your Trinity doctrine.

*Entity - "Some thing that exists separately from other things and has it's own identity"
(Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary).
Mr lying Pharisee and educated illiterate, if u grasp what 'ENTITY' means, your brain will tell U that the only true God ,Jehovah (Jn17:3) is not Jesus.
And Jehovah God is NOT your false 3 in 1 entities of Father, Son, holy spirit.
U have condemned your satanic doctrine from all angles.
Go look for another lie to blow here

Emusan:
He is everlasting and uncreated...

What nature/essence were you referring to when you said Jesus and His Father has the same nature/essence?

reply asap

Jesus was begotten, who beget Jehovah?

* "Essence is defined as the core nature or the most qualities of a person"
https://www.yourdictionary.com/essence

* NATURE
" The fundamental qualities of a person or thing"
https://www.collinsdictionary.com


* Nature & Essence meaning the same thing. But pagans who worship triune gods have weaved fictitious meanings into both words.

U dey see am?
"He is everlasting and uncreated" are not the qualities (essence/ nature) of the only true God, Jehovah, the Father & God of Jesus Christ.

A child has the nature/essence of his father when he displays sterling qualities his Father is well known for, such as kindness, meekness, humility, honesty etc .
(Jesus says he speaks what Jehovah taught him (Jesus), John8:24-28,38. 7:16,28,29, that's how Jesus learned & copied his Father Jehovah's nature/ essence.
He did what his Father did & approved.)
It does not in anyway mean that that Father (Jehovah) & child (Jesus) are one single entity (God) or encased/operate in singular spirit body.

Mr man, your Trinity scam is a satanic invention.

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OLAADEGBU:
Add your list of biblical references to the ones highlighted in this thread-->https://www.nairaland.com/4942319/satans-attack-bible

Have u run out of excuses & lies to give your gullible sheepies?
Diversionary tactics no go help your lost cause.

Pls lets stick to this topic & do nothing to derail it.

Emusan:
Now that you agreed that the Word (Later became Jesus) has the same nature/essence with His Father.


Do you also know that, it was this same NATURE/ESSENCE that made the Father God?

What is the essence/ nature of Jesus Father ,Jehovah?
Make you reply ,I beg.

OLAADEGBU:
If you are an observant reader you will note that the absence of the definite article does not refer to someone other than the true God.

Your fellow Pharisees who peddle your satanic doctrine says that all of u are liars who speak from both sides of the mouth& disprove your satanic doctrine.

No1
* "The same Greek word is used in both occurrences of the word "God" in John 1:1. THIS SAME WORD (God) IS USED IN MANY CONTEXTS, WHETHER IT REFERS TO THE ONLY TRUE GOD" OR NOT.

No 2

They further wrote:
However,since it (that is John1:1c) does not have the definite article, it does indicate that this 'Word' was not the same 'person' as the Father" (Jehovah) but has the same essence and nature"
(ntgreek.org)

Jesus ("the Logos is divine" in some bible translations, that is , " the word is a god" ,he has the nature or essence of the Only true God Jehovah his God & Father but he (Jesus) is NOT Jehovah.

Olaadegbu has the nature/essence of his father but he is not his father, that is what John1:1 is saying.

Janosky:
@OLAADEGBU

U dey post gabage dey deceive yourself & people wey no know their right from their left.

* "In a beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the God, and a god was the Word'
Emphatic Diaglott (1864)
Benjamin Wilson.

*NWT, u know that one..

Assignment for u.. .
Go see this Bibles & coman tell us what u found in John 1:1..

* The New Testament In Greek & English ( 1822)
A .Kneeland.

. *The New Testament in an Improved Version (1808)
Thomas Belsham

*The New Testament of Our Lord& Saviour Jesus Anointed (1958),
J.L. Tomanec

*The Coptic Version of the New Testament..... (1911)
George William Horner

Contrary to the lie u believe, KJV is not the first English language Bible.

I shall be back...

OLAADEGBU:
"I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am He, ye shall die in your sins" (John 8:24).

You shall die in your sins if you do not accept Jesus as your personal Saviour and Lord.

U dey run from assignment?
Why u no post wetin dey John 1:1 in Emphatic Diaglott Bible ,Coptic Bible & other ones I referred to u ? Your lie has found u out.

John 8:24 is not the answer to the assignment u dey run from.
John 8:24 & surrounding verses nack hammer for your fictitious doctrine.
v25 "Then they said to him: who are you ?' just what I have been saying to you from the beginning..."
*v26".... But He who SENT ME (Jesus) is true and I speak to the world those things I heard from Him"
*v27"They did not understand that he spoke to them of (about) the Father.."
*v28 ".... Then you will know that I am he (the Messenger), and that I do nothing of myself, but as my Father (Jehovah) taught me, I speak these things"

*Jesus told lying Pharisees ,like OLAADEGBU that he (Jesus) was the one sent (envoy, a Messenger) to "speak to the world those things I heard from the Father", Jehovah, the God of Jesus Christ.(John 20:17,30,31 . Psalms 83:18).

"Jesus said, :if you abide in my word, you are my disciples indeed.
And you shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free"
( John 8:31,32)


* OLAADEGBU lying Pharisee disagreed with Jesus, Pharisees are not abiding by Jesus words.
Jesus says he is JEHOVAH'S messenger to the world", but
yO LIES DEY BOKU lied that Jesus is Jehovah.
Trinity is a satanic doctrine.
Don't be deceived by the Trinity scam .

ifyakanu:
God came to us in the flesh, Jesus. let's understand better from Gospel of John first chapter, "In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God, and the WORD was GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him, and without him was anything made that was made" "And the WORD was made flesh and dwelled among us" (vs 1-3, 12)
some had asked, where have Jesus ever claim to be God. let's go to the gospel of John again "Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.” (John 8:58 )
This may seem like a confusing answer, but the Jews knew exactly what He was claiming. By using the term “I am,” He was making Himself out to be Yahweh (God) of the Old Testament. We know that the Jews understood His claim, since verse 59 tells us that they wanted to stone Him. He was claiming to have existed not only before Abraham, but eternally. We find the name “I AM” first used when God called Moses to lead the Israelites out of bondage in Egypt. Not being crazy about the whole idea, Moses started making excuses. If he told the “sons of Israel” that the God of their fathers had sent him to them, what should he say if they asked, “What is His name?”
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
Here, God, in giving this name, gives the essential meaning of Yahweh— I am the One who is. By referring to Himself with the same name, Jesus is unmistakably claiming to be God. Anyone who argues that Jesus never made such a claim simply hasn’t bothered to search the Scriptures for themselves.
The mystery of understanding the teaching of One Being three personality is revealed only by the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 2: 6Yet when I am among mature believers, I do speak with words of wisdom, but not the kind of wisdom that belongs to this world or to the rulers of this world, who are soon forgotten.
7 No, the wisdom we speak of is the mystery of God —his plan that was previously hidden, even though he made it for our ultimate glory before the world began. 8 But the rulers of this world have not understood it; if they had, they would not have crucified our glorious Lord. 9 That is what the Scriptures mean when they say,
“No eye has seen, no ear has heard,
and no mind has imagined
what God has prepared
for those who love him.”
10 But it was to us that God revealed these things by his Spirit. For his Spirit searches out everything and shows us God’s deep secrets. 11 No one can know a person’s thoughts except that person’s own spirit, and no one can know God’s thoughts except God’s own Spirit. 12 And we have received God’s Spirit (not the world’s spirit), so we can know the wonderful things God has freely given us.
13 When we tell you these things, we do not use words that come from human wisdom. Instead, we speak words given to us by the Spirit, using the Spirit’s words to explain spiritual truths. 14 But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.
15 Those who are spiritual can evaluate all things, but they themselves cannot be evaluated by others. 16 For,
“Who can know the LORD’s thoughts?
Who knows enough to teach him?”
But we understand these things, for we have the mind of Christ.

Janosky:
* My God Jehovah (YAHWEH) is immortal & can never die.(1tim1:17. Ps83:18. 90:2).
Your triune gods is a fake & powerless one.

. * The earth is Jehovah's footstool & heaven is His throne ( Isa66:1, Psalms 115:16), the name of Jesus can only save sinful men on earth,not in heaven.
Jehovah sent Jesus to save men who believe in his son Jesus Christ. John 3:16,36.
Jesus the messenger is not Jehovah who sent him (John 7:16).

* U agreed that the Word is not the Father whom Jesus called " the only true God" ( John17:3), therefore, Jesus is not the God whom his Father is.
"the Word is with the God" Almighty, Jehovah, his Father & God (John 20:17,30,31).

.

My points above are still valid.

* Pls know that 1cor2:16.quoted Isa40:13 , therefore, the correct expression is
"Who can know Jehovah's thoughts? who knows enough to teach him?... But we have the mind of Christ" (Pls study John 7:16, Matt24:36, Acts 3:13)& u will get sense of 1cor2:16), the sense there is that nobody taught Jehovah, the only Supreme & true God.
But Jehovah taught Jesus & sent Jesus as a Messenger of our prospect for salvation. (John 3:16).
It's totally impossible for Jesus the Messenger to be the Supreme Boss (Jehovah) .


*John8:58, Geek " I am" meaning " I exist", or "I have been" is totally different from Hebrew, " I am" is not a Hebrew word. (do your research, bro & know the truth).
Exodus 3:14 says "I will be what I will be" , that's the original Hebrew word.
https://churchlaundry./13/03/08/theres-no-i-am-in-hebrew/

Pls use your brain Jehovah God gave u & set free yourself from satanic doctrine of Trinity