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@OP,
Isa44:24, 45:12, 66:2,etc, the Supreme God is taking credit for His creative works., even though Jesus (Yahweh's 'firstbegotten ' son ,Heb1:6) worked under Him to create the universe (Heb1:1,2. Col1:15. 1cor11:3)

( The Boss always takes the credit since aeons of time, na the way.)

Jehovah (Yahweh) is the Almighty God (Ps83:18, Exodus 6:3)& the God of Jesus Christ. (John 20:17,30,31).

Janosky:
My points & posers are very valid .


"Jesus cried out with a loud voice: My God (Jehovah),my God (jehovah) why have you forsaken me?" (a prophecy of psalms 22:1).

More solid evidence that Jesus is not JEHOVAH,his God.


Educated illiterate confirmed!!!!!!!

Jesus is NOT Jehovah.
Open your heart to the truth & set yourself free John 8:32.

brocab:
Jesus is the Word of God..And if Jesus is the Word-then He is God's spoken Word-your voice belongs to you, God's voice is Jesus speaking into existence..

Brocab educated illiterate & lying Pharisee , according to you "if Jesus is the word of God-then he is God's spoken Word-your voice belongs to you"

Your God cried out to himself with a loud voice:
" My God my God why have you forsaken me?" Matt27:46.

brocab lying Pharisee , come & deny your lies, & reframe it as usual.

johnw47:
lying pharisee false jw jano/onej
oh duh read zec 12 again know nothing jano/onej
the chapter is about Jehovah
and rev 1:7 is concerning Jesus
Jesus is Jehovah

YAHWEH
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

but of course you don't believe God's word deceiving false jw jano/onej
and all the other verses showing that Jesus is Jehovah

Janosky:
... continuation
@ Johnw lying Pharisee,
*Zec 12:10 is a prophetic reference( to the pains of Jesus sacrificial death to redeem mankind. ) which were fulfilled in the holy scriptures (see John 19:34-37).
Jesus said " no man has seen Jehovah God at any time" John 1:18. 6:46.
Johnw lying Pharisee ,who "pierced" Jehovah? when? where? On which part of his spiritual body?
johnw sheyy u dey smoke gbana?

My points & posers are very valid .

Johnw lying Pharisee Mr Twister seeking every emergency to scram
.
"One of the soldiers pierced Jesus side with a spear.... for these things took place that the scriptures might be fulfilled.... "They shall look on him whom they have pierced"
john19:34-37.

"Jesus cried out with a loud voice: My God (Jehovah),my God (jehovah) why have you forsaken me?" (a prophecy of psalms 22:1).

More solid evidence that Jesus is not JEHOVAH,his God.

Let us apply Johnw fake analogy of Zechariah 12:10=Rev1:7 compared to Psalms 22:1= Matt 27:46,
Johnw lying Pharisee has lied that YAHWEH was crying out loud to himself ;
"Yahweh, Yahweh, why have u forsaken (abandoned) yourself?"

Johnw lying Pharisee no get sense.
Educated illiterate confirmed!!!!!!!

Get out ta here with your foolishness.
Jesus is NOT Jehovah.
Open your heart to the truth & set yourself free John 8:32.

johnw47:
lying pharisee jano/onej
ha ha, you cannot say the truth at all

but lies flow easily from your lips

Diversionary tactics no go save your "Jesus is Jehovah" lies....
The anti Trinity message of Truth is more important any moniker. Go read all JWs post here..
Our stand is uniform.
U go drink panadol for the matter very well

... continuation
@ Johnw lying Pharisee,
*Zec 12:10 is a prophetic reference( to the pains of Jesus sacrificial death to redeem mankind. ) which were fulfilled in the holy scriptures (see John 19:34-37).
Jesus said " no man has seen Jehovah God at any time" John 1:18. 6:46.
Johnw lying Pharisee ,who "pierced" Jehovah? when? where? On which part of his spiritual body?
johnw sheyy u dey smoke gbana?

johnw47:
YAHWEH
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

YAHWEH
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

YAHWEH
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 YAHWEH is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty god as false jw believe.

YAHWEH
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

YAHWEH
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

YAHWEH
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

YAHWEH was pierced
Jesus was pierced

YAHWEH
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Johnw lying Pharisee more evidence against u cometh ....

Heb1:10 quoted psalms 102:25, which Paul applied to Jesus.
*Heb1:1,2: " Jehovah has spoken to us through his son (Jesus)... whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom he made the universe"
Jehovah made Jesus lord. Acts 2:36.
johnw lying Pharisee no get sense.

*Isa45:23, when u start reading from vs18-23, Jehovah's speech was to Israelites, not to anyone else

*Phil2:10, the truth is in v9," Jehovah exalted Jesus & gave him inheritance (see heb1:4) to bear the name of glory. Yet, Jesus remains subject under Jehovah (1cor11:3. 1cor15:24,27)

*Rev17:14, John1:49, Titus2:14.are correct, Jesus replied johnw lying Pharisee in matt28:18& John3:16.
Jehovah gave Jesus " all authority in heaven & on earth" , Jesus can be lord of lords ,whatever..
Jesus said Jehovah approves it. Jehovah sent Jesus to redeem us..
Johnw lying Pharisee remains a carbon copy of his father ( John 8:44)

Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisee the evidence against u is overwhelming.

Heb1:1-3 says. Jesus is a spokesman for Jehovah," appointed heir" by Jehovah & permitted to sit at Jehovah's right hand.
v4 Jehovah gave Jesus an inheritance, (because johnw no get sense , this Pharisee keeps lying that "Jesus is Jehovah".
v5,6 Jehovah says Jesus his son was "begotten/first begotten" , that is created/ first created.

"begotten" means to "father or produce as offspring.
You might recognize this word from John 3:16,one of the popular & most quoted Bible verses:
'For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son ..."
https://www.vocabulary.com.dictionary/begotten

The evidence shows that Jesus is not Jehovah.

*heb1:8 quoted psalms 45:6 which originally applied to kings David & Solomon.
If that fraud ("thy throne, O God" was the correct wording, the Jews would have said& believed that kings David or Solomon was Jehovah. But they never did nor jumped to such wrong conclusion.

"God is your throne forever" ...
That is the proper expression.
Luke 1:31-33. 1chro28:5. 1chr29:23 gives solid evidence ..

Heb1:9..." Therefore God, your God" , that is Jehovah "anointed Jesus more than "thy fellows" (Jesus fellows ) or peers.

Jehovah God has no peer.
"In no way is anyone like you 'O Jehovah" Jer10:6. Ps86:8.

Jesus said he is not Jehovah.
" the Father is greater than I"
John 14:28
"And now, Jehovah, thou art our Father" Isa64:8


"thy fellows" or peers of Jesus are his fellow angels, not Jehovah or Jesus disciples.
The sons of Jehovah (Jesus the arch angel& fellow angels ) with their Father Jehovah God resides in. heaven

johnw47:
YAHWEH
Psa 102:25 Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

Jesus
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:


YAHWEH
Isa 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Jesus
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

YAHWEH
Deu 10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:

Jesus
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

Incidentally, see at Deut 17:14 YAHWEH is referred to as a mighty God, and we know that God is also referred to as Almighty God, they are not two gods, a mighty god and an almighty god as false jw believe.

YAHWEH
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Jesus
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

YAHWEH
Psa 130:7 Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
Psa 130:8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Jesus
Tit 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

YAHWEH
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Jesus
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

YAHWEH was pierced
Jesus was pierced

YAHWEH
Joe 2:32 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the LORD hath said, and in the remnant whom the LORD shall call.

Jesus
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisee the evidence against u is overwhelming.

Heb1:1-3 says. Jesus is a spokesman for Jehovah," appointed heir" by Jehovah & permitted to sit at Jehovah's right hand.
v4 Jehovah gave Jesus an inheritance, (because johnw no get sense , this Pharisee keeps lying that "Jesus is Jehovah".
v5,6 Jehovah says Jesus his son was "begotten/first begotten" , that is created/ first created.

"begotten" means to "father or produce as offspring.
You might recognize this word from John 3:16,one of the popular & most quoted Bible verses:
'For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son ..."
https://www.vocabulary.com.dictionary/begotten

The evidence shows that Jesus is not Jehovah.

*heb1:8 quoted psalms 45:6 which originally applied to kings David & Solomon.
If that fraud ("thy throne, O God" was the correct wording, the Jews would have said& believed that kings David or Solomon was Jehovah. But they never did nor jumped to such wrong conclusion.

"God is your throne forever" ...
That is the proper expression.
Luke 1:31-33. 1chro28:5. 1chr29:23 gives solid evidence ..

Heb1:9..." Therefore God, your God" , that is Jehovah "anointed Jesus more than "thy fellows" (Jesus fellows ) or peers.

Jehovah God has no peer.
"In no way is anyone like you 'O Jehovah" Jer10:6. Ps86:8.

Jesus said he is not Jehovah.
" the Father is greater than I"
John 14:28
"And now, Jehovah, thou art our Father" Isa64:8


"thy fellows" or peers of Jesus are his fellow angels, not Jehovah or Jesus disciples.
The sons of Jehovah (Jesus the arch angel& fellow angels ) with their Father Jehovah God resides in. heaven

Johnw lying Pharisee ,Mr Twister , Jesus is not YAHWEH

johnw47:
it's impossible for you pharisee false jw's to admit or say a truth, isn't it jano

i will take it then from your silence that you are in fact also OneJ
but of course pharisee deceiver jano/onej, if you are not you can say so, and then i will stop showing you to be a pharisee deceiver, just a pharisee in other ways

The word."mumu" is a common expression online, NL not an exception.
johnw lying Pharisee for ya mind na NL "onej" get exclusive license to use the word "mumu"

johnw47:
only you satans mob twist scripture to say Jesus is an angel
When Father God makes it so clear that Jesus is not a angel and is God:


Heb 1:1  God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 
Heb 1:2  Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 
Heb 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 
Heb 1:4  Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 
Heb 1:5  For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

of course Father God never said that to any angel
 
Heb 1:6  And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 
Heb 1:7  And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 
Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 
Heb 1:10  And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 
Heb 1:11  They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 
Heb 1:12  And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. 
Heb 1:13  But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

and again, Father God never said that to any angel
 
Heb 1:14  Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Johnw lying Pharisee the evidence against u is overwhelming.

Heb1:1-3 says. Jesus is a spokesman for Jehovah," appointed heir" by Jehovah & permitted to sit at Jehovah's right hand.
v4 Jehovah gave Jesus an inheritance, (because johnw no get sense , this Pharisee keeps lying that "Jesus is Jehovah".
v5,6 Jehovah says Jesus his son was "begotten/first begotten" , that is created/ first created.

"begotten" means to "father or produce as offspring.
You might recognize this word from John 3:16,one of the popular & most quoted Bible verses:
'For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son ..."
https://www.vocabulary.com.dictionary/begotten

The evidence shows that Jesus is not Jehovah.

*heb1:8 quoted psalms 45:6 which originally applied to kings David & Solomon.
If that fraud ("thy throne, O God" was the correct wording, the Jews would have said& believed that kings David or Solomon was Jehovah. But they never did nor jumped to such wrong conclusion.

"God is your throne forever" ...
That is the proper expression.
Luke 1:31-33. 1chro28:5. 1chr29:23 gives solid evidence ..

Heb1:9..." Therefore God, your God" , that is Jehovah "anointed Jesus more than "thy fellows" (Jesus fellows ) or peers.

Jehovah God has no peer.
"In no way is anyone like you 'O Jehovah" Jer10:6. Ps86:8.

Jesus said he is not Jehovah.
" the Father is greater than I"
John 14:28
"And now, Jehovah, thou art our Father" Isa64:8


"thy fellows" or peers of Jesus are his fellow angels, not Jehovah or Jesus disciples.
The sons of Jehovah (Jesus the arch angel& fellow angels ) with their Father Jehovah God resides in. heaven

Splinz:
Sorry sir, you're ASSUMING that Jesus will be ruling 'FROM' heaven simply because it's a heavenly kingdom, I.e, a kingdom that will be just like the one in heaven. The kingdom is that OF heaven but the ruler of that kingdom will not rule FROM heaven. Two different thing.

You see, not that a literal kingdom will some sort of magically appear on earth, but a representative - the head or leader of that government is what will come. And when He arrives as picture in Matthew 25:31-34 and elsewhere, that is when the kingdom of God on earth begins.

Let's look at this: "I saw in the night visions, and behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, AND A KINGDOM..." (Dan. 7:13-14). Here pictures when Jesus is officially commissioned by the Father. But here's the point not to missed, Jesus is also given "A KINGDOM". If according to YOU Jesus will be ruling 'FROM' heaven, then does it mean the Father is giving him the kingdom to rule FOR/FROM heaven since there's no government already in heaven? I say 'FOR', since Jesus can't be ruling FROM heaven without of necessity ruling IN heaven either NOW or LATER.

Here is the truth of the matter sir. Jesus wouldn't rule FROM heaven because two captain can't be in the same ship, seeing that Jesus at the moment is sitting at the Father's right hand. What it means is that it's the Father that sits on the throne in heaven ruling the entire universe. This is most true when you look at Psalm 110:1, it reads: "The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool" (Psalm 110:1). We know for a fact that this promise has not been fulfilled yet since Satan is still very much around. So, since God will have to make His enemies His Son's footstool, which hasn't happened yet, it simply means He's the One ruling, at least for now.

However, if you still insist that Jesus will be ruling FROM heaven, then honestly answer these questions:-

1. What becomes of the existing government IN heaven when Jesus supposedly start his rule of the earth from heaven?

2. Will the ruling of the Father at this time be terminated or suspended or the Father and Son will rule together?

3. Is it true that Jesus is to retire the Father or has He already retired Him?

God is not the author of confusion. The Bible have shown where the Father's throne is and that of the Son. Any claim that Jesus will be ruling from heaven or has his throne stationed in heaven is to fault the prophesy of angel Gabriel in Luke 1:32-33. In fact, Jesus himself have already shown where his throne will be, in same Matthew 25. While it is true that the coming kingdom will be that 'OF' heaven, what is not true is that it will be a kingdom or rulership 'IN' heaven. Can a Nigerian President rule Nigeria from America?

Thank you.

Thanks for your comments....
pls ,my response will come later.
Peace,Bro

[quote author=johnw47 post=74929646]Johnw lying Pharisee psalms 45:7 was a messianic prophecy applied to king David initially (1 samuel 16:7-13)& later to king Solomon/ lineage of David (1 chro29:23. 2chro13:5. Luke 1:31-33) "your God (his God YAHWEH) anointed him more than his fellows".
Later, Paul quoted psalms 45:7 (in heb 1:9) & applied it to Jesus whom angel Gabriel said would sit on the throne of David (Luke1:31-33. Luke 3:23,31-38).

Heb1:4-6,9 says Jesus received an inheritance & anointing "more than thy fellows ", other angels.
Jesus & other angels are sons of YAHWEH.

johnw lying Pharisee misquotes scriptures. all the time to cover his lies.
U & your pagan triune god worshippers corrupted heb1:8 (KJV), a quote of ps45:6.) & falsified it.
Psalms 45:6 is not saying king David or Solomon is God, YAHWEH. ( No Israelite or Jew ever believed that king David or Solomon is YAHWEH ).

Therefore , "God is your throne forever and ever" is the correct, valid & proper texts for heb1:8 & Ps45:6.
( NWT got it spot on !).
1chro29:5,23 is undisputed proof that heb1:8 KJV,ASV etc) is a fraud.
Get out ta here , Johnw lying Pharisee.

Hairyrapunzel:
I was never with your jehovah. Why should I return to a place where I never was in the first place?

Pls, TATIME , can u repost that link where this guy hairy liar said he was disfellowshipped from JW .
I'm sure I have read it a long time ago...

TATIME:
GARBAGE! But you can't give any reasonable EXPLAINATION to the so called "garbage" than to continue quoting John 8:44 which is actually referring to you!

Johnw lying Pharisee has no scriptural proof in defense of his lies on NL.
His usual solace is name calling & John 8:44 , which exposes him.
Hallelujah > Praise Jehovah , johnw has no place to hide his falsehood.

Janosky:
Johnw lying Pharisee is a carbon copy of his lying father (John 8:44).
Johnw lying Pharisee, "thy fellows" or Jesus fellows were not his disciples.
" To which of the angels did God (YAHWEH) ever say:
"Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet"? Heb1:4,13.

YAHWEH never anointed himself to sit at his right hand.
He anointed Jesus his son & whom he created alongside his other angelic sons. He anointed Jesus & gave him an inheritance above other angels.
Heb1:1-14, the narrative has no reference to Jesus disciples

Mumu lying Pharisee, only an inferior being (the son, Jesus).receives inheritance from his Superior,his Father & God, YAHWEH.
That is the due process in heaven & here on earth .
Your lies have found u out johnw lying Pharisee.

johnw47:
it's an inheritance above the angels, not an inheritance above other angels

Heb 1:4  Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

Johnw lying Pharisee, why did Jesus whom u lied is Yahweh receive an inheritance?

Your "jesus Yahweh"(a misnomer & appendage u gave your triune pagan god) received an inheritance from himself, because u are very foolish and a confirmed lying Pharisee, the carbon copy of your lying father (John 8:44) .

Of a truth, Jesus fellows were other angels, not his disciples. Only Yahweh alone gives inheritance to his subordinates,that is why Yahweh gives inheritance to Jesus which he did not give other angels.
Solid evidence that Jesus is not Yahweh, but created by Yahweh.
Heb1:1-14.

Is Jesus an angel? Yes. He said so himself times with out number.
"Jesus answered, 'what I teach is not mine. It comes from him who SENT ME" John 7:16 .

"I am a representative from him, and THAT ONE SENT ME" John 7:29,

" the FATHER WHO SENT ME has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak"
John 12:49,50 .
Angel (Greek Aggelos, Angelos) meaning "the one who is sent, an envoy ,messenger.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/aggelos.html
*Angelos
"One who is sent ,an angel, a messenger from God"
Johnw lying Pharisee wan see title "Angel" attached to Jesus name, because his lies are senseless , he no get sense.

johnw47:
know nothing jano
of course you don't believe God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

would you like me to post again other bible verses showing that Jesus is God?




so you keep lying



two diffrent spirits are not one spirit, duh
two diffrent spirit beings are the one Spirit that is God
look back for the scriptures i gave



oh duh, ha ha, Father and the Word is God, Jesus is the Word not the Father, both is God




Jesus is Lord, of course he is
Father made Jesus Lord and Christ, yes good
Father is Jesus God, yes He is

Jesus fellows is referring to His apostles-disciples, you didn't even know that, funny
Father anointed Jesus above them

and where does any of that show that Jesus is not God

Johnw lying Pharisee is a carbon copy of his lying father (John 8:44).
Johnw lying Pharisee, "thy fellows" or Jesus fellows were not his disciples.
" To which of the angels did God (YAHWEH) ever say:
"Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet"? Heb1:4,13.

YAHWEH never anointed himself to sit at his right hand.
He anointed Jesus his son & whom he created alongside his other angelic sons. He anointed Jesus & gave him an inheritance above other angels.
Heb1:1-14, the narrative has no reference to Jesus disciples

Mumu lying Pharisee, only an inferior being (the son, Jesus).receives inheritance from his Superior,his Father & God, YAHWEH.
That is the due process in heaven & here on earth .
Your lies have found u out johnw lying Pharisee.

johnw47:
i'm not speaking for aio of course, but for me

Jesus is God to thomas, true

Father is God of Jesus, true

thomas and Jesus do have the same Father God, yes

of course YAHWEH has no God, true, YAHWEH is God

YAHWEH God is God and the Word, john 1:1, plus all the very many other scriptures that i have posted showing that Jesus is God

Your lies dey speak for u nau...
Johnw lying Pharisee & educated illiterate keeps reinventing his lie,
"of course YAHWEH has no God....
YAHWEH God is God and the Word"

johnw pls stop making yourself look foolish.
When will this lying Pharisee receive sense?
Only Yahweh knows.

@Deadlytruth,
"I don't like" does not mean "hate", U really know say no be the same thing.
Why eee dey pain u say the OP see something wey "impressed" him about JW?

Deadlytruth:
Seminars and conferences are held by professional bodies to review and update human fallible knowledge towards aligning it with most recent findings about reality. But there is no need for the review and updating of the scriptures since they are authoured by an infallible and omniscient God. In fact God's words dictate reality.
For example, far before Ferdinand Magellan undertook the circumnavigation voyage, the scriptures had described the earth as geoid in shape. So the scriptures rule reality hence it is absurd to try upgrading or updating the scriptures to align with the latest human findings which could still be invalidated by more future findings. Therefore any organization that is always reviewing her doctrines to be in concordance with existing secular laws is definitely not being guided by the mind of God the author of the scriptures who say the world and all within it shall pass away but that not a jot of His words shall pass away.
The bolded is what all other Christian groups have been trying to make your organization understand all this while but you refused and continued insisting on the contrary that it is a matter of dos and don'ts. They told you that all scripture is simply and essentially about following one's conscience to loving one's neighbours as one's self rather than laws or ordinances, but you refused and cooked up different rules of dos and don'ts as standards and propagated them in publications for ages. You condemned other groups' simple message of love for one's neighbours as intellectual laziness and aversion to searching the scriptures in pursuit of their apostate leanings. Now, without first acknowledging you were initially wrong, you are trying to turn round and embrace the fact that it is not about dos and don'ts?

Of a truth, the word of God is infallible but imperfect man is fallible.

JWs did not "update" or review the scriptures, every serious Bible student knows that he can read one particular verse a thousand times, yet he receives fresh insight & understanding as if he just read that verse for the first time.
Jehovah is a God of justice ,it's one of His cardinal quality & justice is a principle spelt out in the Bible (Job34:11,12 . Gal 6:7. Luk18:7,8.)
The more u pray & study God's word, (God's word is our work tools, as workmen we must keep improving & refining our skills & our steps to align with Jehovah's standard, (2Tim 2:15) to do that is humility. )
. Peter denied Jesus &made his mistakes, did Jesus throw him out?
Yet Jesus kept teaching his disciples continuously to refine them.
They were humble & improved, so do JWs as long as no scriptural principle is violated.


If u find fault with that,it's your problem.
Your prejudice no go let u see road well well..

johnw47:
Father is the God of Jesus, doesn't say Jesus is not God
it shows that Father and Jesus are two persons,
and john 1:1 shows those two persons is God

Father and the Word is God, john 1:1, and as many other scriptures show

Father Himself right after He showed that Jesus is not an angel, showed that Jesus is God:

Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

"Two persons is God", u be pagan ni. dey show your true colour.


The popular john 1:1 is a fraud !
Two different spirits can not be one spirit.
Except u no get sense.....

U have agreed on this thread that Jesus is NOT the Father , therefore, Jesus is not the one God whom the Father is. 1cor8:6.
Jesus is lord & Christ,(Anointed him).
His Father & his God ,jehovah made Jesus Lord. Acts2 :36.

U dey quote heb1:9 wey dig holes for your lies.
"Therefore God, your God", that is Jehovah the God of Jesus , anointed Jesus with oil above his fellows .

Johnw lying Pharisee, who are Jesus fellows or "thy fellows " of Jesus? oya answer am.

PastorAIO:
So was Thomas wrong when he called Jesus 'The God of Me'? Is that what you. Mean?

And by the way, I don't have a horse in this race. Whether we prove that jesus is god or not doesn't bother me.

I've also argued extensively that John chapter 1 does not say ' and the word was god. My concern is with what the bible says in certain parts and what that means.

Oga Pastor, the scriptures can not be broken.
According to Thomas, Jesus is God of me,i.e Jesus is God to him (Thomas).

Jesus already clarified that Yahweh is "God of me ,Jesus and God of you ",Thomas.

Oga Pastor, why is it hard for u to accept & admit that Jesus & Thomas had the same Father & the same God?

The so called "Pastor" can not admit that Yahweh has no God.
Lol

johnw47:
once again, the sons of the LORD in Heaven psalm 89:6 is referring to the angels

and the fact that bible verses do compare Jesus to the LORD
shows that psalm 89:6 does not refer to Jesus


oh duh
but of course you false jw jozz know nothing


and of course Father and the Word is the LORD, john 1:1
that the angels in heaven cannot be compared to




Psa 89:6 For who in the heaven can be compared unto the LORD? who among the sons of the mighty can be likened unto the LORD?

Heb_1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 

there are many bible verses showing that Jesus is God - Jehovah - LORD, if you want me to post them again

Stop being foolish!!!!

Johnw lying Pharisee & educated illiterate, why U no get sense ?

"And expressed image of his person" is another way of saying
1) Jesus is the spitting image of his Father .
2) Jesus is 'almost exactly like his Father.'
3).Jesus na carbon copy of his Father.

If your sense no fit reset, at least don't forget say carbon copy no be original.

Jesus is NOT Jehovah.
"Jesus sat down on the right hand of the Supreme Majesty, Jehovah God.

Jehovah did not sit down at the right hand of himself (except u be gubernatorial candidate for Yaba/Uselu State)...

The Word was with God, that is one spirit being & another spirit being, two persons.

(* With > "in the company or presence of somebody"
Sourced from Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary of Current English, Sixth Edition).
*Fact: The popular John 1:1 is a fraud.
Your three faced pagan triune god is an "office of three gods!"
Na one of their Trinity crew member wey popular for NL talk am.
Idol worshippers dey form Christian.

Your lie fits those who whose thinking faculty is corrupted by virus.

We can see through your lies, conjectures & outright falsification of scriptural texts to make your dogma look nice..

PastorAIO:
You seem to have missed the part where I drew your attention to the definite article 'Ho' in Greek.

Thomas said, The Lord of me, and The God of me.

Not a God. But The God.

Oga Pastor, u can not twist this one at all !! Your excuse are invalid.

In the Greek interlinear @ John 20:17, Jesus said
"The Father of me & Father of you"
"God of me and God of you"

Thomas & Jesus other disciples perfectly understood what Jesus said (with or with out definite article).

That is, the Father of Jesus is the same Father of Thomas.
Like wise, the God of Jesus is also the God of Thomas
The Oga of JESUS na the Oga of Thomas.
Shikena !

Deadlytruth:
If your position on child abuse are scripturally guided, then how come you keep reviewing and updating them? Do the scriptures change in meaning with time and government laws? So the world governments you so much demonize are essentially the compass that guides the review of your doctrines? Wow! What an interesting Irony!
If a three decade old Watchtower publication doesn't represent your doctrine anymore, then it follows that the current adjustments and reviews you've made to them are still not reliable as they too will become invalid in another three decades from now. How does that really represent God's laws which never change with time?
Isn't it clear to you that you are under the manipulation of 8 men in far away New York?

U are an educated ,career person, I suppose, in a specific profession.

How come u go for seminars, & conferences hosted by your professional body?

If a child alleged that u abused him, and U met the body of elders, where some one (1 witness) confirmed U spent 2 hours alone with that child but u denied having any sexual contact with that child.
Then , the child's parents had their child undergo medical tests that confirmed that something sinister took place with firm evidence to back up such claims.
Thereafter, being a suspect, u are called in for interrogation by the Police & charged to court, after thorough investigation.
In spite of your denial in court of law, the medical/forensic evidence proves that u committed the crime (that's 2nd witness against u) & therefore convicted of the crime, has justice been served?

What law ( s) in the bible was broken in order to fulfill the course of justice?

Mr prejudiced fellow, God's word goes beyond do's & don'ts, many scriptural principles are very relevant for our present day.
Your prejudice & bigotry dey shine pass Sonny king.....

Deadlytruth:
The Watchtower 1995 Nov 1 pp.28-9 gave the following advice regarding accusations of child abuse.

"What Can Elders Do?

If the elders are approached by a member of the congregation who is experiencing flashbacks or repressed memories of child abuse, two of them are usually assigned to help. These elders should kindly encourage the afflicted one to focus for the time being on coping with the emotional distress. The names of any remembered abusers should be kept in strict confidence.

The elders primary task is to act as shepherds. (Isaiah 32:1,2; 1Peter 5:2,3) They should be especially careful to clothe [themselves] with the tender affections of compassion, kindness, lowliness of mind, mildness, and long-suffering. (Colossians 3:12) Let them listen in a kindly way and then apply healing words from the Scriptures. (Proverbs 12:18) Some who are afflicted with painful memories have expressed appreciation for elders who make regular visits or even telephone calls to check to see how they are doing. Such contacts need not take a lot of time, but they show that Jehovah's organization cares. When the afflicted one realizes that his Christian brothers truly love him, he may be helped to recover a considerable degree of emotional balance.

What if the sufferer decides that he wants to make an accusation? Then the two elders can advise him that, in line with the principle at Matthew 18:15, he should personally approach the accused about the matter. If the accuser is not emotionally able to do this face-to-face, it can be done by telephone or perhaps by writing a letter. In this way the one accused is given the opportunity to go on record before Jehovah with his answer to the accusation. He may even be able to present evidence that he could not have committed the abuse. Or perhaps the one accused will confess, and a reconciliation may be achieved. What a blessing that would be! If there is a confession, the two elders can handle matters further in accordance with Scriptural principles.

If the accusation is denied, the elders should explain to the accuser that nothing more can be done in a judicial way . And the congregation will continue to view the one accused as an innocent person. The Bible says that there must be two or three witnesses before judicial action can be taken. (2 Corinthians 13:1; 1 Timothy 5:19) Even if more than one person remembers abuse by the same individual, the nature of these recalls is just too uncertain to base judicial decisions on them without other supporting evidence. This does not mean that such memories are viewed as false (or that they are viewed as true). But Bible principles must be followed in establishing a matter judicially.

What if the one accused though denying the wrong doing is really guilty? Does he get away with it, as it were? Certainly not! The question of his guilt or innocence can be safely left in Jehovah's hands. The sins of some men are publicly manifest, leading directly to judgment, but as for other men their sins also become manifest later. (1Timothy 5:24; Romans 12:19; 14:12) The book of Proverbs says: The expectation of the righteous ones is a rejoicing, but the very hope of the wicked ones will perish. When a wicked man dies, his hope perishes. (Proverbs 10:28; 11:7) Ultimately, Jehovah God and Christ Jesus render everlasting judgment in justice. 1 Corinthians 4:5."

The " Jehovah's witnesses scripturally Based Position on Child Protection" is our working document ,not that almost three decades old watchtower article which U probably copied from a questionable source & quoted out of context.

These days,anti child abuse laws
are being updated by governments & JWs have done the same in order to comply with the law .

U no dey current with facts of this matter, that is why u dey copy & share outdated expired stuff for here

editorAA:
Are you sure you remain the happiest people on earth truly? have you bothered to check if this decision is wise enough without pressing charges? Maybe i should pray one of your biological child would expereince such so that you can know better how an accused is viewed as innocent while he had injured the psychological well being of your child. Again, your child sees him everyday during meetings and the Post traumatic stress disorder comes up through sight of him. You guys dont know what it means for an authorized person to handle a case instead of an elder who knows nothing about the psychology behind abuse. Australia Royal Commission exposed the JW 1007 cases of unreported abuse cases and you stand there saying you guys are the most happiest people on earth. Your religion is built around FEAR. Fear to hear the truth against your faith, fear not to be disfellowshipped because shunning policy follows. They will lose their loved ones once they go against organizational rules.

The Australia Royal Commission is not about JW , but rather about the malaise of child abuse in their society -schools,public &private institutions, Churches & sports clubs were involved.

Child abuse is a very sensitive issue ,in fact JWs have a well documented zero tolerance mode towards such despicable acts.

That your fictional fabrication is very far from reality.
In the 1960's/80's ,the appropriate laws were not in place as at that period to deal with such issues & sexual repression/ stigma were the norm. child abuse/Rape are often under reported everywhere.

If any adult who said he was molested as a child ,now comes out &lays the blame on JWs ,that individual is economizing the truth to win public sympathy while looking out for a large paycheck...

Moses shunned the rebellious gang of korah, Jesus & his disciples did hug Judas or Ananias/ Saphira & that man who had illicit sex with his father's wife.
Num 16:1-3,25-27. 1Cor5:1-13.

Abeg carry your fiction comot for here jare

PastorAIO:
Who removed YHWH from the bible? It wasn't any christian cult. Rather it was the Jews themselves when they wrote the LXX, the greek translation of the hebrew scriptures. This was done around 3rd century BC.
Jesus himself used the LXX and quoted from it so it cannot be as bad as you are making it out to be. That would mean that Jesus himself substituted Kyrios (lord) for YHWH.

For more detail see here:
https://www.nairaland.com/1224167/contra-bibliolatreia-ii-septuagint

The Jews removed the divine name YHWH because they claimed that Jehovah's name was too holy to be called by mere sinful men.

Jesus used the divine name & made the name known to his followers.

Jesus said "I have made your name known to the men whom you gave me out of the world" John 17:6,26.
Matt 6:9
How would Jesus himself have made the divine name known if he had substituted YHWH in favour of "Lord"?

brocab:
You should study that dusty old bible of yours sometime-you great abuser from the south-or even better accept Jesus into your heart and receive the Holy Spirit to teach you all things to know about the Word of God!
It will be a lot easier for you to understand!
Every time I read your page-your anger raises over nothing-if I was to give it a score from a 100% deafeningly your score is a 100%.
All we are doing is defending the Word of God-we defend it from that very same bible you claim to use the KJ's, hypocrite!
We never come to you, you came to us-if you expect us to listen to you, then you need to come up with a better way to get our attention, your anger is abusive, someone claiming to be a Christian, and acts like you, really it's people like you, who put Christians down..
We don't follow the Watchtower why? because it has to many faults within, you use the KJ's 'why? because the NWT bible has faults!
You use the KJ's to a point-why? because the NWT and the KJ's bibles have scriptures your Watchtower literature refuses to teach.
It isn't worth your wild getting yourselves all worked up over nothing, read the scriptures, and if they are hard to understand them, study the scriptures, learn it from the KJ's and believe these are God's Word given to His People to learn by.
It's pointless trying to cut our throats over the Word of God! You say you use the KJ'S version, we also use the KJ's version! And what we see and study we write it down..

The hogwash & trash of brocab lying Pharisee.

I dey vex for who?
Lol .

I'm not angry at anyone whatsoever. Anger no dey my mind.Na your conscience dey judge U.


What has your pointless post got to do with these issues raised in my previous post?
U dodged them & resorted to post nonsense ...
A) Removal of God's (Jehovah) name, YHWH from almost all Bible versions except NWT & a few others.
YHWH substituted with "Lord" @ Deut6:4.

("In regard to the divine name, YHWH, commonly referred to as the Tetragramaton, the translators adopted the device used in most English versions of rendering that name as. " LORD" in capital letters.
'Preface' in "Women of Faith Study Bible", New International Version).


(B) where in John 4:1-34 did Jesus say "the Father and the word are two persons having one spirit"? according to your fellow Pharisee .

The "mystery" that confused u na "holy ghost" demon dey teach u...
Dey there dey deceive yourself

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johnw47:
YHWH is a name for God, so
"Jehovah our God is one Jehovah", is correct, and
"the Lord our God is one Lord", is correct,


of course God is one God:
Deu_6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

ha ha, and of course Father and the Word are two persons

duh, of course they have one Spirit,

Johnw lying Pharisee keeps peddling junk.

John 4:1-34, nowhere did Jesus say "Father and the Word have "one spirit".

The preface in different Bible versions says that the name of God (YHWH- Yahweh ,Jehovah) was removed & substituted with the title "LORD"

Deut 6:4 is NOT correct, in as much as Johnw lying Pharisee would never agree to the removal of his name from any book he wrote..

Yet he see's nothing with removal of Jehovah's name from His word the Bible
crooked Johnw lying Pharisee

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johnw47:
you false jw jozzy cannot even quote his name which is right in front of you

johnw47:
ha ha, oh duh false jw joz, Father was with the Word
God is a Spirit, Father and the Word are two persons having that one Spirit
Joh_4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

, even kindergarten kids know that God is one,
talking of Father and the Word singularly as separate persons, you can say: God the Father and God the Word, but
talking of Father and the Word jointly as God,



Deu_6:4  Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

laugh, false accuser joz

Crooked Johnw lying Pharisee.
Why your complaints?
U dey call "Tat" ,"Jano", joz", which u know were not their respective
NL moniker.

Comot that fraud u call Deut6:4.

The correct Hebrew version of
Deut 6:4 "Hear O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah (Yahweh).
The Tetragrammatton (YHWH) appeared twice in verse 4,in the correct version.


Johnw lying Pharisee, in john 4:24, did Jesus say he is a spirit?
LIAR.

A kindergarten kid knows that "Yahweh (Jehovah) our God is one Jehovah( Yahweh)".
That kid will have more sense than johnw lying Pharisee who lied that "Father and the word are two persons having one spirit" .

johnw47:
one of the things a christian does when saved is to do away with lying

Johnw lying Pharisee keeps going against God's word the holy Bible.

"If you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall"
1 cor 10:12
"But he who stands firm to the end will be saved", says Jesus Christ Matt 24:13.

Judas,Ananias &Saphira were not saved because they never stood firm to the end of each of their lives.

"It is not over until the final whistle"
Each servant of Jehovah is a work in progress until the final whistle.

Jesus said a Christian is not saved until he "stands firm to the end" but johnw lying Pharisee keeps peddling junk gospel alien to Christ & true Christianity.

PastorAIO:
No answer to this one?

John20:28 , Thomas called Jesus my "my Lord & my God", that is Jesus na Thomas Oga.

Jesus said, I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God" John 20:17,30,31

Jesus say he get his own Papa& Oga ,wey still be the Oga & Papa of Thomas.

Jesus big pass Thomas, but Papa God Almighty big pass Jesus & Thomas.

The scriptures can not be broken, ' I am God's son', says Jesus (John 10:34-36.