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VictorRomanov:
I take this guy less seriously by the day. With each post every Sunday, his ignorance, low capacity to reason, and lack of understanding of basic English language becomes more obvious. Much more, it proves he has no single understanding of the bible.

If he does read, he would have know that the KJV is one of the most adulterated translations of the bible, with spurious texts flying in here and there. These days neither does the catholic church nor the church of England have monopoly to early bible manuscripts from which translations into various languages can be done. And the more people translate, the more they see the errors in translation in the KJV.

The OP has no interest in the truth..
Just check out the hogwash he has posted here in recent weeks.

He loves the fictitious insertion of 1john5:7,1tim3:16 & Rev 1:11(KJV) to name a few, even though he knows that these verses were falsifications not found in the Greek Septuagint or other manuscripts older than Textus receptus.


He assumes he is more informed than theologians & historians who had invested many years of pain staking scholarship to unearth solid facts about Bible manuscripts in existence today.
He loves the KJV but he no go agree to speak & use their archaic, outdated English in his daily interactions everywhere.


Make the OP dey deceive himself

johnw47:
Jesus is Abaddon and Apollyon the Destroyer


Jesus is Abaddon and Apollyon
Watchtower 12/1/1961, p. 717-720
"United Against Nations in the Valley of Decision"



"When Jesus was on earth as a man, he was a Hebrew, and now in his capacity as Jehovah's royal Executioner he is called by the Hebrew name Abad'don, which means Destruction. (Job 26:6; 28:22; 31:12; 12:23; 14:19) In the Greek in which the inspired Christian Scriptures were written his similar title is Apollyon, which means Destroyer," (Watchtower, Dec. 1, 1961, p. 719).

Comment: Abaddon is the Hebrew for the ruling angel in hell. Apollyon is the Greek equivalent. Is it Jesus? No. The New Topical Textbook lists Abaddon and Apollyon as names of Satan. The Bible Knowledge Commentary does the same.

Welcome to the world of johnw lying Pharisee.
Copy copy thief thief & plagiarist.

The Interpreter's Bible says:
"Abaddon (Hebrew equivalent of Greek Apollyon meaning 'Destroyer') , however, is an angel not of Satan but of God, performing his work of destruction at God's bidding".

Proof from the holy Bible ..

"For this purpose the son of God was made manifest to DESTROY the works of the devil" 1 John 3:8

"I saw the heaven opened & before me was a white horse whose rider is called Faithful & True... his name is the Word of God. The Armies of Heaven were following him... He threads the winepress of the wrath of God Almighty" Rev 19:11-15.

" Jesus asked him ' What is your name?' "Legion" ,he replied....
And they begged him repeatedly not to order them to go into the Abyss" Luke 8:30,31


"What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to DESTROY us ?" Luke 4:33,34.

Jesus is the one who leads " the Armies of heaven " (angels of God ) & adjudge who goes to the abyss or not.
As a result, Jesus is the arch angel who has the keys of the Abyss.
No prisoner holds the keys to the prison cell where he served his punishment.
Therefore, Satan has no keys to the Abyss where he is imprisoned.

Johnw lying Pharisee keeps doing what he knows best- peddle lies & Falsehood.

johnw47:
Jesus is now our new everlasting father, ha ha

so now we have two everlasting fathers
our old everlasting Father, and our new everlasting father Jesus, smile

so our new everlasting father Jesus sits on the throne to the right of our old everlasting father, laugh

Shut up there!
Stop being stupid

Go & borrow sense . There's no collateral attached.


Johnw lying Pharisee & plagiarist.
. 3 "Gods" pagan worship crew member,get outta here.

brocab:
{Psalm 110:1} [/color]David says, “The LORD says to my Lord: ‘Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool’”.
[color=#000099]The clause the LORD says to my Lord contains two different Hebrew words for “lord” in the original. The first word is Yahweh, the Hebrew covenant name for God. The second is Adonai, meaning “lord” or “master.” So, in {Psalm 110:1} David writes this: “Yahweh says to my Adonai. . . .” To better understand Jesus’ use of {Psalm 110:1} we’ll look at the identity of each “Lord” separately.The first “Lord” in “the LORD says to my Lord” is the eternal God of the universe, the Great I AM who revealed Himself to Moses in {Exodus 3}
This self-existent, omnipotent God speaks in {Psalm 110} to someone else who is also David’s “Lord.”
The second “Lord” in “the LORD says to my Lord” is the Messiah, or the Christ. {Psalm 110:1 describes this second “Lord” as follows:
● He sits at God’s right hand [verse 1}● He will triumph over all His enemies and rule over them

brocab:
what the JW's believe--they teach Jehovah is their everlasting Father!
So because you now see, that Jesus is Jehovah Lord and king over creation

brocab educated illiterate & lying Pharisee.

Firstly, JWs teach & believe that Jesus is "Everlasting Father" whom the Bible call's "Last Adam" (or second Adam in some Bible versions) because he restored to mankind the blessing of everlasting life which Adam lost due to of sin& disobedience.1 cor15:22,45-47 .
Rom5:12-19

Brocab explained Psalm110:1,2 that Yahweh (Jehovah) says to Jesus the Messiah "sit at my right hand" ,He (Jesus) sits at God's (Jehovah's) right hand".
He emphasized that Jehovah & Jesus are distinct, not the same.

Brocab lying Pharisee & 3 "Gods" pagan worshipper goes further to contradict himself & lied "that Jesus is Jehovah"

A sane person will not tell himself to sit at his own right hand...
The Trinity falsehood removed brocab's sense .
.The Bible confirmed brocab is a lying Pharisee.

"Now When it says that 'everything' has been put under him (Christ) ,it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ' 1cor15:27.

alBHAGDADI:
Wow! I never knew I was discussing with a JW all these while. You haven't addressed all the errors I pointed out in your so-called older manuscripts inspired translations. All you've been doing is hammering on the age of those manuscripts.

The Trinity was a word recently coined based on the concept seen in the Bible. I'll save that debate for another.

God is an office occupied by three beings: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are one but Not one being. If you can understand this, then you will understand all the verses you put up there as if to ridicule the doctrine of Trinity.

Una dey hear wetin this Pharisee dey yarn? What else would we expect from a worshipper of 3 pagan "Gods" who even contradicts himself:

"God is an office occupied by three beings... they are one but not one being. If you can understand this...."
The most vocal believers of the Trinity say their doctrine is a "mystery", their doctrine confuse them ,they no understand am,
U sef no understand am ...

U did not point out any error, except making baseless claims & conjecture with out any concrete proof.
Yet U rejected the evidences of Scholars of koine Greek & others who researched all Bible manuscripts discovered by man.

Jehovah, the Almighty & Supreme God, the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob & Jesus Christ (Acts 3:13) is an awesome spiritual entity,not a mere "office"
What an insult to the person of the ALMIGHTY , to call Him an office!!!!

alBHAGDADI:
Now, you claim a word was fraudulently inserted into 1 Timothy 3:16 of KJV. If I get you, that word is God, right? Now, look at how the KJV puts the verse.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Compare the above KJV with the NIV below to see the difference. The difference is that instead of the word God, the NIV and other Bible translations use the word HE.

NIV 1 Timothy 3:16
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory


Now, who is the HE who appeared in flesh? The NIV has no answer for that, but the kind James version does and the HE is God. The NIV and these modern Bible translations clearly attacks the Trinity, but you have failed to see that. They removed God and replaced it with HE. This means anybody can take the Antichrist as the HE. They don't want you to know that it is God who came in flesh to save mankind. The NIV and all these modern translations greatly appeal to false beliefs like that held by the Jehovah's Witnesses who say Jesus was an angel i.e angel Michael, which means it was angel Michael who came in flesh. But the king James version in its accuracy proves them wrong in 1 Timothy 3:16 by stating that it is God that came in flesh not angel Michael. The NIV and other translations only prove them right.

Be humble & admit the Gospel truth & make Satan shame.

The older manuscripts dates as far as before the 2nd century then the Trinity was never heard of or taught anywhere until about 3rd/4th century the council of Nicene brought it into being, by fire by force them begin falsify the manuscripts thereafter to suit alBHAGDADI lies.

1 tim3:16, the word "God" does not occur " in the Septuagint or any other older manuscripts except the 16th century TR.
In the oldest manuscripts,it reads thus: "He who was manifest ..."
https://biblehub.com/1_timothy/3-16.htm

God in heaven spoke &called himself "son" Matt 3:16,17

"God". prayed to himself Matt 26:39
"God" cried out 'why he had forsaken himself', Matt 27:46

Then, "God" died Matt27:50

whereas the ALMIGHTY God Jehovah is immortal, never dies . Psalm90:1,2. 1tim 1:17

alBHAGDADI:
Other bible translations call Joseph the father of Jesus which is wrong. The King James Version carefully ensures such mistake doesn't happen.

Luke 2:33 King James Bible
And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him.


But look at how other Bible translations rendered the verse.

New International Version
The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him.

New Living Translation
Jesus' parents were amazed at what was being said about him.

English Standard Version
And his father and his mother marveled at what was said about him.

Berean Study Bible
The Child’s father and mother were amazed at what was spoken about Him.

Berean Literal Bible
And His father and mother were marveling at the things having been spoken concerning Him.

New American Standard Bible
And His father and mother were amazed at the things which were being said about Him.

New World Translation
And its father and mother continued wondering at the things being spoken about it.



God Almighty is the father of Jesus Christ as seen in the verse below.

Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Now, if other bible translations say Joseph is the father of Jesus as shown in how they render Luke 2:33, then it means they are calling Joseph Blessed as seen in Ephesians 1:3 above. This is similar to how Catholics call Mary Blessed and mother of God.

Ee be like say u dey like iwuruwuru well well...

in all the older manuscript, "Joseph" was never mentioned in Luke 2:33, except in the KJV,
rather "father ' was stated there.

It's not necessary to over flog this issue since abundant evidence exist that Jehovah recognized Joseph as Jesus' adoptive father on earth
Matt1:18-25. 2:13-15.

U consciously admit that "God Almighty is " the God & Father of our lord Jesus Christ"(Eph1:3) but subconsciously kick against that gospel truth by your false doctrine of Trinity.

How can the son be Jehovah God he calls "my Father & my God?"

why u dey vex when Catholics call Mary "mother of God"?

It is hypocrisy for u to fault them. They are bold to admit what u deny. Belief in Trinity implies that your "triune god" has a mother.

alBHAGDADI:
Funny you.

You say the new translations also get revised to conform to modern English, which means you all did it so that people can understand the Bible easily. That is wrong because it is Not everybody that is suppose to understand the Bible. The only people who are to understand the Bible are people with the spirit of God because those without that spirit cannot understand the word of God which is spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them , because they are spiritually discerned.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The Bible also says that the holy spirit will teach us all things. This means that if you don't have the holy spirit, you can't know all things which Jesus said in his word which is the Bible.

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

So, anybody trying to bring in a new translation in English other than the KJV is clearly on the wrong. They say they are revising into modern English so that people can understand, whereas the Bible clearly shows that you can understand unless you have the spirit of God. This means that the KJV which is in Archaic English of Shakespeare will still be understood by someone with the holy spirit in him. We have seen clearly from my previous posts on this thread how this modern translations omitted verses and removed words. They did so because of an agenda.

The words of a coded Pharisee who promotes man made fallacies & false doctrines- once saved always saved; Trinity etc.

God does not desire that any should perish(2 pet 3:9) , by granting everyone the chance to gain "eternal life" by knowing the only true God & know Jesus whom God sent (John 17:3) but alBHAGDADI says "that is wrong because it is not everybody that is supposed to understand the Bible".

" How are people to call upon him whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear with out a preacher?" Rom10:14

This guy implies that holy spirit fell on Philip & he instantly received
understanding of the word....
Pharisee dey form Christian.
Lol

The real agenda here is your baseless claims that Matt 18:11& other verses were "removed"
Why U no mention one older manuscript wey no get those blank verses wey 15th century copyists go put for TR manuscript?
U come here dey deceive yourself

@alBHAGDADI

Sahidic Coptic Bible was translated from the Greek Septuagint. in the. 2nd century & still older than both the KJV & it's source text- TR manuscript.

There's no iota of truth or foolproof evidence anywhere to support your claim that verses were omitted or removed to distort the holy scriptures.

How come that among thousands of older manuscript that exists ,there's no one ,not even the Septuagint supports your claims or contains those verses that U alleged were "removed" ?

Whereas hard evidence exist that lends credence to the fact other verses were interpolated into all blank verses in KJV & TR manuscript.

How come u no see anything wrong with the fraud inserted into 1tim 3:16 & 1John5:7,8,(kjv) but u dey fabricate "removed " put for Acts 8;36-38, Matt 18:11 etc?

alBHAGDADI:
You say earlier manuscripts?

The king James version was translated from the textus receptus which was the manuscript many had at that time. The KJV was what the world was using and believed to be the accurate word of God. Later on, archeologist discovered some manuscripts which they found out to be older than the Textus Receptus. It is from those manuscripts all these modern Bibles got translated from. That is why they all lack those verse which their manuscripts lack. Have you not wondered why those verses which are key verses are missing in them? The fact that they are older manuscripts doesn't mean they are truly original and what the apostles passed down to us. For them to be missing those key verses shows that they are the design of Satan who has been corrupting the word of God from the Garden of Eden. Paul spoke of people corrupting the word of God during his days.

2 Corinthians 2:17
For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

Don't you think those so-called earlier manuscripts could be as a result of the work of those corrupting the word of God in Paul's days? If such people existed then, what makes you think they don't today, or has Satan stopped trying to change Gods word?

Who told u that "the KJV was what the world was using & believed to be accurate word of God"?
Crappy trash !
Many other versions of holy Bible existed before the KJV, for instance the sahidic Coptic Bible which dates back to the 2nd century. Textus receptus na infant baby where sahidic Coptic Bible dey.

The hard evidence has no room to accommodate your conjecture & misleading assumptions.

Where did textus receptus get the parts to fill in those blank verses ?
The words of another verse (Luke 19:10 ) was interpolated into Matt 18:11, the same process was evident in other verses which had the same issue of blank verses.

There's no vital dissimilarity between the message of Luke 19:10 & Matt18:11 .
To suggest or conclude that some truths were removed ,hidden or tampered with, that's gross distortion of the truth.
A spurious piece of crap.

johnw47:
false jw jano, you have run away from your exposed lies yet once again:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

@underline, false jw jano, when you speak lies you are just speaking naturally, like your god the devil

https://www.nairaland.com/newpost?post=74397056

("How can one witness to a Jehovah's witness?"(17)

" ...Faith with out works is dead means that once saved we do good works, we do not do good works to be saved, we do good works because we are saved....
" saved Christians have a living faith,doing good works whether much or little"

Johnw lying Pharisee possesses this special talent for Falsehood that would make the Devil envious.[/quote]

johnw47:
then you will post a quote or a link to where i taught
"once saved always saved"

you come back now you hear, no running away again, you hear

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Shame on u ,johnw lying Pharisee for lying against your own post
on this thread & on NL.

The word of God,the Bible keeps bursting your bubbles.
Pls keep on quoting John 8:44 which describes johnw in graphic detail.
Let's introduce to NL online community, the Senior Special Assistant (SSA) to the Devil on Falsehood, johnw lying Pharisee.

johnw47:
ha ha, the cartoon depicts you perfectly poor tormented false jw jano
throwing all your bleep bleeps at us
i laught at you, laugh

and God laughs too:

psa 37:12  The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth. 
Psa 37:13  The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.

Johnw lying Pharisee keeps lying &.deceiving yourself

OLAADEGBU:
Which one is 'atheist cartoon?' Have you seen this one?

That's your atheist cartoon making mockery of the Bible's account of creation. Olaadegbu & johnw lying Pharisee have denge pose with this atheist cartoon

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zodiakzax:
... but unto us there's but One God and One Lord...my friend it is clear.. Yahweh said i alone I'm God there's none to before me or after me..


I am the Lord , and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord , and there is none else.
Isaiah 45:5‭-‬6 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/isa.45.5-6.KJV


My friend stop being stupid if you believe there are many gods and Yahweh is the greatest then you are a pagan And a polytheist.. it is clear that unto us THERES BUT ONE GOD AND ONE LORD..SO STOP SOUNDING FOOLISH...PAGAN

he said there are many gods in heaven.. then Yahweh is stupid for saying he alone is God, he didnt say he alone is Almighty, He said " I alone I'm God" ....stupid pagan

zodiakzax educated illiterate & lying Pharisee.
Your Bible says "there are many gods in heaven,(Jesus is a god) & all of them inferior to the Father , the One & only Supreme,Almighty God ,Jehovah.(John 17:3. Exodus 6:3).
The 3 "Gods" pagan worshipper, zodiakzax ,stop being foolish .

Of a truth, half baked knowledge is more dangerous to man than ignorance .
Pls, don't let the prejudices, obvious bias & misrepresentation of facts by the OP mislead U.
Google "Matt 18:11 biblehub", apply the same format to check every verse that the OP claimed was "removed".

For instance, Matt 18:11
"For the son of man came to save that which was lost"

'For the son of man is come'
The words are wanting in many of the best MSS (manuscripts)"

"this verse is omitted by the Sinaitic & Vatican manuscripts... it is supposed to be an interpolation from Luke 19:10 ..."
https://biblehub.com/Matthew/18-11.htm

Matt 18:11 does not exist in the earliest manuscripts but excerpts from the words in Luke 19:10 was copied into Matt 18:11 in KJV.
The same process was repeated in other verses which the OP falsely claimed were "removed".
A 16th century manuscript, Textus Receptus was the Source text for translation of KJV.
Any Bible versions where some verses were omitted did not use textus receptus but was translated from far older & more accurate manuscripts such as the Sinatic manuscript etc
pls check here for further details:
https://biblehub.com/commentaries/acts/28-29.htm

johnw47:
ha ha, posting twice as you often do won't make your lies come true
you cannot comprehend- understand anything, of course

Shut up there ! johnw lying Pharisee diversionary tactics
U lied that u never at anytime mentioned that once saved always saved .. johnw lying Pharisee

Splinz:
Thank you so much for these passages, all pointing to the coming kingdom of God on earth.

Revelation 20: 4 pictures Christ and the saints on "THRONES", ready to judge - conduct the affairs of the world from that time till a thousand years had passed. The thrones here includes that of Christ, the twelve apostles own (Matt. 19:28) and those whom God had so chosen to sit on thrones.

This first resurrection is truly unique. Those who are resurrected and those worthy of the kingdom of God, death hath no power over them again in the second resurrection, since "...we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is" (1 John 3:2). Then truly shall this saying come to pass: "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory"? (1 Corinthians 15:55).

Revelation 21 pictures a new heaven and a new earth. Jerusalem, where king David sits in the past and where Christ will also sit when he returns, will some sort of be rebranded - rebuilt to reflect the capital of the world, where God Himself sits - where "...the tabernacle of God is with men...".

Daniel 2:44 pictures the setting up of God's kingdom on earth. A kingdom that abides forever, headed by Christ and the saints - spirit beings. While this government will be for the people - for man's ultimate good, it will not be a "government of the people" but 'FOR' the people. Indeed, "And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom UNDER THE WHOLE HEAVEN, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him" (Dan. 7:27).

And then Matthew 6:9-10. We may ask: 'How is it that everyone is able to pray what is known as the "Lord's prayer" everyday, and yet not know what they're praying for? Verse 10 is just too obvious. Why pray for the kingdom of God to come and His will be done on earth as it is in heaven, when your aim is to go to heaven? Who is this kingdom coming for?

And lastly, 2 Peter 3:13. Indeed, the saints are looking forward for new heavens and a new earth - a new universe that will be given to the saints of the most High to care for. Where there'll be no more war, famine, diseases, death, sorrow nor tears. A utopian!

Thank you.

The kingdom of God led by Jesus Christ the king would rule over the earth from his heavenly throne . "Thy kingdom come" from where? From heaven of course.
That's the point that stands out in those verses.
thank you

Ihedinobi3:
It's another frivolous thread, I think.

For atheists, of which you may be one, there is no such thing as the spiritual. But for believers, the spiritual is just as real as the physical. And it was believers who wrote the Bible as they were inspired by God. So, you are making a straw man.

Man is a spirit who lives in a body (Genesis 2:7). As such, physical death only affects the body, not the spirit which is the real person.

So, that part of the Psalms does not contradict the doctrine of an afterlife in the Bible.

Spirit wey get flesh & blood , na which kain spirit be that?
Fafafa foul !!!!

brocab:
{1 Corinthians 8:5-6} For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords)[color=#990000]
--"If" there were so called gods, "Not" there "Is" so called god's in heaven or on earth!

The truth is-you deny is the Word of God,.... the begotten..

Brocab educated illiterate.... dey twist 1 Cor 8:5,6 dey wound himself. Lol
What's the definition of "begotten"?
brocab lying Pharisee

johnw47:
ha ha false jw jano you cannot stop lying post after post day after day
i have never taught once saved always saved, whether it be true or false?
i haven't studied the subject

he who stands firm in what?
he who stands firm in his faith to the end, will be saved

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https://www.nairaland.com/newpost?post=74397056

("How can one witness to a Jehovah's witness?"(17)

" ...Faith with out works is dead means that once saved we do good works, we do not do good works to be saved, we do good works because we are saved....
" saved Christians have a living faith,doing good works whether much or little"

Johnw lying Pharisee possesses this special talent for Falsehood that would make the Devil envious.

Janosky:
That's Johnw Pharisee speaking about himself & his fellow Pharisees who mislead gullible people that "once saved, always saved" whereas Jesus taught that "He who stands firm to the end will be saved" Matt 24:13.
Jesus would "SPIT OUT" all Pharisees & your "once saved always saved satanic doctrine.
Rev 3:14-16. Matt 5:20

johnw47:
ha ha false jw jano you cannot stop lying post after post day after day
i have never taught once saved always saved, whether it be true or false?
i haven't studied the subject

he who stands firm in what?
he who stands firm in his faith to the end, will be saved

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https://www.nairaland.com/newpost?post=74397056

("How can one witness to a Jehovah's witness?"(17)

" ...Faith with out works is dead means that once saved we do good works, we do not do good works to be saved, we do good works because we are saved....
" saved Christians have a living faith,doing good works whether much or little"

Johnw lying Pharisee possesses this special talent for Falsehood that would make the Devil envious.

@ omokoladejames: Your write up was nice until u made spurious, baseless claims about NWT. Prejudice has distorted your objectivity

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johnw47:
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

you just love being part of satans mob, having them tell you what to believe

johnw47:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/8440575_5621995523838314505371444281075n_jpeg91088257eb46c4050680c4b4d34c1e4e

johnw lying Pharisee continues doing what he knows best. Spreading falsehood & plagiarism.

zodiakzax:
..see how stupid you are.. 1cor 8:5 is what you quote, maybe you should have seeked advice form your pagan friends here before commenting... Let's look at the whole verse..

For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and Lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
1 Corinthians 8:5‭-‬6 KJV

..stupid pagan.... unto us there's but One God and One Lord...... nowhere says that unto us there are two gods or two Lords.... there's no Lord and God besides Yahweh, all other so called lords and gods are fake..... so stop being stupid... there were smarter ones than you here who had to poo on themselves .... so again you are a stupid pagan who believes that we have two gods, one Almighty and the other mighty... both deserve worship anyways since they are both gods..... pagan.... ... John 1:1 is blasphemy in the NWT... stupid pagans...

Your Bible in 1 Cor 8:5,6 says "gods exist in heaven", Jesus is a god , he is one of the many gods in heaven.

"There is none like you among the gods ,O Jehovah" Psalms 86:8

"To whom can you people liken me so that I should be made his equal?' says the. Holy One" (Jehovah). Isaiah 40:25

The Almighty God,the Father is Supreme, above all of the gods in heaven.

zodiakzax can U, pls stop being stupid?

OLAADEGBU:
It is only your words here that are complicated, not the Words of Jesus.



This is where you confuse yourself when you say "My own translation of the Bible." The moment you start reading the Bible without the lenses of your organisation is the time you will be able to understand what message the Lord is passing. It is not rocket science.



Why would Jesus say "I'm making the promise today"? Why not tomorrow?



You missed it yet again. That verse is not talking about Water baptism, was the thief of Christ's right hand side baptised in water? No, it is a figure of speech for the Word and the Holy Spirit. He simply meant that one needs to be regenerated by the Holy Spirit before he/she can get/see the kingdom of God.



The moment you start firing blank bullets is the moment I know that you've lost the plot.

"Christian" dey promote atheist cartoon on NL
Oturugbeke!!!!
Another Pharisee confirmed.

Splinz:
Yes, you read that right - how what every nominal Christian think of as their ultimate aim - to make heaven - is actually a sin.

For a better understanding of what sin is - what exactly is it that you're doing wrong - it is appropriate to define it. Here's the bible definition: "Whosoever commit sin trangresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4). Simply put, sin is the breaking of the law.

Now, here's how you sin when you desire to go to heaven:-

In Psalm 115:16 we read: "The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's: but the EARTH had He GIVEN to the children of men". In addition, in Isaiah 66:1 and Psalm 11:4, we see heaven as God's "throne" while the earth is man's estate. Don't get it wrong, both heaven and earth belongs to God (Psalm 24:1), but the fact is that God had GIVEN the earth to man as a possession forever.

But instead of being grateful and content with what God had given him on a platter, those lusting after heaven are busy COVETING that which belongs to another - God! In so doing, they trangresses the tenth commandment (Ex. 20:17). Also technically speaking, the second commandment is violated since coveteousness is the same as idolatry (Col. 3:5).

Furthermore, desiring to go to heaven (which we've now seen to be coveteousness and idolatry) is vain - fruitless worship since it is a doctrine based on the TRADITION of men (Mark 7:7). Yes, this doctrine has no place in the Bible, and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise.

In fact, dealing the biggest blow to those who claimed to be 'heaven-bound' is Jesus own words: "For no MAN had ascended into heaven, but the Son of man who came down from heaven" (John 3:13). Peter also taught the same thing when speaking of David (Acts 2:34). Of course, man has no business in heaven, or what is he going there to do?

Instead of inheriting heaven (which is impossible), man is to INHERIT the EARTH (Matt. 5:5, Psalm 37) and REIGN as KINGS & PRIESTS (Rev. 5:10).

So, while I await whoever that will take up the challenge, here is the BIG question: 'ARE YOU STILL DESIROUS OF GOING TO HEAVEN'? Be the judge.

True & unpopular but.....
OP, your post will ruffle lots of feathers.
Just get ready for the "mob".

Splinz:
Thank you for your response.

However, Rev. 14:1-5 is in no way saying that Christ and the saints will be ruling 'FROM' heaven. On the contrary, like I've already shown our brother up there, Matthew 25:31-34 has shown where the seat of government will be.

Please feel free to share more.

Rev 20:4-6, 21:1-5, Dan2:44. Matt6:9,10. 2pet 3:13, what's your take?

johnw47:
false jw jano, all you have in reply to truth is your bad mouth:














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God's word is speaking against johnw lying Pharisee.

Every true Christian believes in the Bible's account of creation, but johnw lying Pharisee has copied & pasted pro atheist cartoon that rejected the Bible's account of God's creation.
Johnw lying Pharisee is a fake Christian.
Confirmed !!

johnw47:
Joh_8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

That's Johnw Pharisee speaking about himself & his fellow Pharisees who mislead gullible people that "once saved, always saved" whereas Jesus taught that "He who stands firm to the end will be saved" Matt 24:13.
Jesus would "SPIT OUT" all Pharisees & your "once saved always saved satanic doctrine.
Rev 3:14-16. Matt 5:20

brocab:
{Revelation 3:15-16} Jesus said: I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.[/color]

Jesus says he would "SPIT OUT" brocab Pharisee plus his fellow Pharisees that are misleading gullible people with their "once saved , always saved" satanic theory.

zodiakzax:
...stupid pagan, so.you believe Jesus is another god beside God Almighty.. idiot... ..pagan man

"For even if there are so called gods whether in heaven or on earth"
1Cor 8:5

Educated illiterate zodiakzax, your bible says "gods exist in heaven", Jesus is a god in heaven, "who is at the Father's (Jehovah's) side" .

"But not everyone knows this"
1cor 8:7.
If u get mind, go comot am from your Bible na !
Educated illiterate zodiakzax & johnw Pharisee (plus their 3 "Gods" pagan worship crew) stubbornly refused to know it.
Confused bunch of triune gods Pharisees.