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Zahra29:
Without immigration, nearly every country in the modern world would crumble, including Nigeria who relies on Chinese workers and companies for example

You guys are missing the valid points that have previously been made.

3 questions for you.


1. Would you rightly prefer to pay higher taxes or rather accept more brown and black people here to slave it out for you?

2. In what sustainable do you think the government should have funded the wage rise demands?

3. In a broad range, whay number of immigrants would the UK need to hit its sweet spot... i.e fund the 7% rise in addition to the NHS?

Goke7:
Honestly am shocked that a British PM could openly say they will have to fund pay rises from what legal immigrants will pay. Though to some it looks as a subtle way to reduce net migration but I see it as a final punch to the arguments the right wing extremists always have about the influx of immigrants.

Sunak just openly agreed with your conclusion here that this economy will collapse without immigration. Anybody still arguing should just go and watch that Sunak video. The man may have hurt many Brits egos with this.

I think Sunak is playing a political game here and being brutal but factual. Recently, a number of Conservative MPs had written to him itemising elaborate means of reducing legal migration without considering the antecedent effect on the economy. With this, such letters would be more guarded

This move is a response to them and challenge to the wider sentiment. Your 7% pay rise in a stagnant economy has to come from somewhere.

Spending cuts? Which among the biggest 4 of education, defence, health and social care have not been underfunded
Tax rise? A sure election looser. Even the most ardent brexiter would rather vote for more fee paying 'black and brown folks' than be responsible and tolerate a tax increase to pay for what they consume

What I find worrying is that aside increasing levies on poorly paid immigrants, there is no other plan to fund a whooping 7% public wage rise
Secondly, IHS is double taxation. Those on work visas already pay NI and income tax. Why do they have to pay a separate levy?

Next thing would be an increase in the lenght of time to ILR... they'd say it's to foster better integration.
I've been searching online and the UK mainstream media has been silent on this. Please share a link if you see one

Goke7:
Big answer to those who say immigrants contribute nothing much to the almighty Uk.

Sunak just admitted that for the govt to take care of it’s people by increasing wages, they need more money from immigrants else they can’t pay

Just stumbled on this, oddly, when I search they're not many mainstream UK media reporting it. The UK openly admits immigration fees as an essential source of revenue. Simply means that for workers to get their 6-7% wage rise, there has to be a minimum number of immigrants coming thru. The recently touted 8yr wait period for an ilr makes more sense now. I wonder what those who 'did not vote for black and brown people' think about the this. Perhaps, they would get EU citizens willing to pay so much for little in return.

Take a married 28yo who comes here for masters. They'd pay:

Initial visa fee
Initial ihs fee for 1-2 yrs
Uni school fees

Then;
PSW fee
IHS fee again for 1-2 yrs

Then;
Tier 2 visa fee
IHS fee for 5 yrs.
ILR fee
Passport fee

All these are aside income tax and NI and very importantly, the economic footprint they bring.

After giving 8-9 years of their productive life to the the UK economy, a whole lot of these people would still be lower bracket income earners. The UK adds to their life but in far less measure than what they have brought.

Reason why I asked how many Brits of similar age have contributed as much.
Without immigration, this economy would crumble under its own weight

eniola1010:
Abeg enough with emotion, facts dont care about emotion, what is 'some' compared to 'most'

If some invention were by black race, then most were by white race.

We talking of most u talking of some.
Na some we wan chop.

If we had it going why then are u killing yourself to live in their land and be a citizen of their land

Abeg call a spade a spade

Even the some u r talking about arent citizen of africa nation they are blacks whom were born there

It might look daunting when you initially come to the UK and see their seemingly straightforward process for somethings we struggle with back home.

That said, the longer you stay and rise in your profession, the more you see its same human folk around the world. What differs is just opportunity- some of which was accumulated via devious means over centuries from others.

It's for your benefit that you slowly break yourself from the mental shackles of neo-colonialism. People would see it thru you and you'd just be another timid immigrant who believes their life worth is dependent on being in the UK. Such mentality would sure limit your attainment here

Chreze:
For clarity sake,

Is there any condition that stops one from :

Getting provisional license
Writing theory test
Doing practical test
Then start to drive alone without supervision in one month or two?

Aside from maybe booking time, slot, ability to learn UK pattern faster and all that. Is there like a certain rule that says all this can’t happen in a month or two?

If there are no rules, please can anyone share reason why it may not be possible.

Not aware of a way to excape this (outside the first year) for someone coming from Nigeria.

The UK driving test is mainly for ones protection as it helps ypu understand the roads and rules of driving avoiding harm to yourself and others.

It is an extremely straightforward exam. One which thousands pass every year. There is no catch to it. All thats expected is to repeat what your driving instructor showed you typically on thesame roads you practiced on.

Osilama1:
is it seun that said many Igbos should defend mmesoma rubbish here

You are still going down that rat hole of bigotry. Seems bigotry cant allow you comprehend my point. I specifically did not mention any group
Like I said, it's @Seun that has allowed this fora thrive on such.

Go on reddit, and other social media that folks around the world use. How much of ethnic slurring runs there?

If all you have to say is 'us vs them', dont bother responding to my message.

Osilama1:
but many of u use such nuances to defend mmesoma when she spoke... That she's intelligent

Who are the 'many of you'
I would not be joined into a ethnic 'us vs them' issue that Seun has allowed to thrive on nairaland.
Point is, speaking English is not a test of brilliance.

tiger28:
Innoson himself is a total illiterate......have heard him speak? You will laugh.

So I don't expect much from him.

Speaking English is not a test of knowledge. It's just another language of shich there are thousands around the globe.

Shave off your neo-colonial mindset

Peerielass:
Some of the Brits I know started working and paying taxes at 16. Majority of them retire at 55 because they have built up a huge pension pot by then. I also don’t know any 28 year old Brit who is not in an established career and already settled both job wise and family wise, irrespective of whether it’s blue collar or professional jobs.

We should be careful when we are making generalisations here.

Again, the question is simple: how much exactly has the average 28 year old Brit + parents contributed in comparison to $45 trillion India alone contributed and millions of their kin that had to die to support the British economy. Moreso in addition to the many who still support the NHS?

There are no generalisations there.

Regarding your second point, the average pension pot at retirement is public knowledge. The number of people who are off work for long-term sickness is public knowledge. Alot of people here deal with benefit claims e.t.c. you need to look around. It's not ghosts on the council housing list.

koonbey:
The PSW visa is very affordable for any graduate, if they truly had access to the money they had proven that they have to support their living expenses for the duration of their studies, while applying for the visa.

The fees for the visa are easily covered by just two or three months of that 20-hour week limit, especially if you factor in the unrestricted vacation work periods.

And IHS? FHS it’s 600 odd pounds per year for unlimited mostly free access to a world-class healthcare system. In that same US some people are hailing a ‘simple’ ambulance trip to the hospital and treatment for a day for heat exhaustion cost a friend of mine over $3,000 recently. There people are often afraid to call ambulances even when they clearly need urgent medical help.

The ‘average Brit’ you people are slandering here has been paying into the funds that made up that system all their life via direct and indirect taxes, and their parents and ancestors for hundreds of years paid into it as well. And they are still paying the same taxes and NI contributions and whatnot as you are today, but 600 pounds per year is exorbitant?

2-3 months of 20hr limit fir visa fee.. hehe

From India alone, its estimated the UK took $45 trillion dollars in 170 years. Thats aside the over 5 million indians who had to die to support the UK economy. Let's then look at Nigeria and other countries. Not only historically, even today, the UK has continued to drain top resources (brains) from these countries. How much exactly has the average 28 year old Brit + parents contributed?

As someone who came staight into the UK as a higher income earner, I was shocked when the deputy head of my governing body told us during our exams that the 'UK needs us more than we need it'. I did not fully grasp what she meant then but everyday it becomes obvious that every work visa is crafted in a way that for everyone issued, that person + nation has to contribute much more than they receive.

Two things are clear:
1. We are not here because we are wanted, we are here because we are needed
2. We are not being done a favour.

justwise:
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Absolutely! Remember that they left the EU so as to control the border get £350m back into NHS? Has any of that happened?

Lol... and how Europeans were freeloaders clogging the system.
Similar arguments being made today.

The UK economy has always fed off other nations for over 300 years. I see no indication of it changing today...

Zahra29:
I agree with this.
Brexit is now being exposed as a failed experiment and it won't be long before the UK seeks out some sort of agreement with the EU to allow labour to come in (more) freely. The average Brexit voter certainly did not vote for increased immigration from black and brown countries (which doesn't even plug the full spectrum of labour shortages) which is why they are now considering ways to address this.

Being in the EU was so much better. Most sectors had a steady and sustainable supply of labour. Construction, agriculture, cleaning, nursing etc ...not just the care sector. And most EU workers were very hard working.

Hopefully the gov is beginning (or soon will) to have closed door discussions on how to plug back into the EU labour market.

Its called knee-jerk for a reason.

The same way folks blame immigrants for NHS waiting times forgetting that the NHS both in primary and secondary care as far back as the 70's had always relied on immigration to keep going.

We have visa schemes targeted for care workers, teachers, seasonal farm staff and drivers.

With the balooning list of folks who are on benefits for being on longterm sick leave, very soon, we'd have schemes for builders, mall staff and maybe even one for the police

hustla:
Each one of these countries have policies set in stone and most times, they even relax these rules for the better, but UK own is to b*tch about every single thing. Canada has recently introduced new routes and a lot more people get student visas now (I know cos i write SOPs for a couple of students heading to Canada). Australia has changed laws for their post study and actually increased. AU and Canada recently changed rules to allow students to work more hours probably due to the inflation and or effects of covid

Apart from post study and dependent stuff which didn't even last up to 3 yrs, UK has not introduced any reasonable rules to help students. Even sponsorship na war and battle (hence the reason why skilled people take up care worker jobs)

All they do is tighten and tighten the noose and then collect some more money , then moan and complain and complain

I no blame them sha, na make person do another japa inside japa because this japa isn't 'japaing'

It's the senseless back and forth that gives folks who otherwise would have kept shut room to make noise.

I remember telling a Brit post-brexit that though it'd favour me as a Nigerian, it would not result in the economic boom he was sold.

Folks arriving should endeavour to upgrade their qualifications, earn more rise to the top of the ladder or even japa from the UK.

The faces whenever an immigrant mentions they're waiting for their British passport and getting a buy to let before they migrate to Australia/Canada is always bliss. All of a sudden, they feel they want you to remain. That is 'interesting' some would say. Lol...

Fact is, Brexit was classic self-harm. Sadly, it's same herd mentality driving alot here.

Good thing this is happening under a Conservative government, I wonder if the public will trust a Labour government with culling immigration

justwise:
Give it 2-3 years they will go back to their vomit as they always do.

Just 2yrs ago they were begging foreign workers to come to the UK to work through health care visa, they reintroduced PSW so as to attract foreign students, a year later they start moaning about the same people they begged to come here.

The UK is a service economy that depends heavily on immigration to function, so this extreme immigration policy is just for next generation elections (which they are going to lose anyway) , next government comes in and go on their begging knees for foreign workers and students.

I’m not encouraging uncontrollable immigration policies, I’m basically saying that it should be sensible.

Classic knee-jerk.

Just like before Brexit, it was clear the care sector was heavily reliant on eastern Europeans who left after the vote.
There were only 3 options- the government facilitating a wage rise of at least 40% to make it more attractive, a collapse of the sector or lastly, the government facilitating folks from other nations to come take up those jobs.

We know what the government chose.

If that visa route is stopped (quite likely), it's only a matter of 2-4 years before those who came in migrate into other sectors with thesame labour shortage arising again. Just like with the PSW, they'd chase their tail once more while the public wallows in ignorance.

LondyC:
@steadymoving22
@Elff

ChatGPT is an artificial intelligence software that helps you with answers to whatever you need. It’s like your personal assistant. You type in what u need answers to and it provides you with the answer. With job applications, Applicant tracking systems(ATS) would usually screen out your application if you don’t have enough keywords as in the job advert. So to do this without wasting your whole day on one application, just use ChatGPT.

....

I hope this helps

Good stuff. Uses it recently to draft a cover letter and it saved me lots of stress. I first asked it to draft one using the person specification from the job post I copied in.
Next I copied the experience section of my CV and asked it to ammend the earlier cover letter to suit.
Next I asked it to summarise in less than Bleep words. I copied this and put somewhere
Next I asked it to regenerate it all again... which I also copied.

I then manually read thru both, made a few changes and submitted.

AI is shocking.

@op this was a picture I took of people who were slaughtered in their own place in the hundreds and their bodies transported in trucks.

The government initially denied the killing and later said just 3 died.
Till today, no single arrest has been made.

Question: is Nigeria safe for Nigerians?

N.B this is not excusing racially motivated crimes in any part of the world. They should be roundly condemed and fair cout process take place.

We like celebrating ineffective moves.

Would this be enough to service 0.1 % of Borno state farmers?
What happens to the remaining 99% the bus would not get to

Siberia01:
Long time we heard from you Boss
Thanks for keeping in touch
What alts are you looking at?

My brother... I'm focused on bitc0in for the time being. Just slowly edging into eth.
There are bright spots here and there but e no dey hard for them to reverse. When the time comes, it'd be clear. Typically, eth will rally first

sharone21:
1st question: Google UK's popular Nurse job sites to see specialties and demand for them.

2nd question: The advantage lies in the number of agencies u would get especially USA agencies. But some agencies don't bother, so you need to sieve those that insist on BSN and those that don't bother....Also, it saves u time that u would use to progress academically vs making money eg BSN holder can kickstart straight with NP( Nurse Practitioner) in USA, though an RN can do Masters too

Good to know. More interested in the licensing criteria for the UK. Looking to get some input from someone familiar with the process what I found online is quite vague.

Know someone who is insisting on BSc nursing (which has been difficult to secure) rather than SON. Her plan is to emigrate to the UK once done. She has the means but I wonder if SON is a more prudent route

Finally, for ltc..

Anyone who's traded it long enough knows it's an eternal disappointment.

Against usd, its held structure well in the run up to its halving next month.

Against eith and bitc0in, looks mediocre.

Since its halving is just 4 weeks away, I'd bid a small bit at 100 with aim for 150-200.
Its not a bag I hope to hold

Finally,,, theres been some chatter about bch and ltc...

Worth pulling up the bch/betc chart for reference

It's been a monotonous selloff and likely doomed to remain that way.

The last time bch was valued this high against betece was over 2 yrs ago..

I wouldn't be surprised if the whole pump against betece is reversed in the coming weeks-months in search for new lows.

I have a small bag which I've held for sometime. Yet to sell, I'm hoping for the 0.015 level to dispose... however, once I wouldn't hesitate to dump if I notice weakness. Have no plans to hold a bag of beans.

Eth looks good on the monthly.

Against usd, last months finish was a powerful hammer candle sitting nicely aboelve support. Usually that should bring a good bounce.

Against bitc0in, it's a mixed bag. Doesn't look as strong. It's been allover for a while and yet to resolve It's proper direction

Still, I just recently bought some eith at 1.9k ish for the first time in a while.

jedisco:
4 charts I'm monitoring now with areas of interest arrowed or dotted

3. Bitc0in dominance- seems to have confirmed a breakout about a significant level. Not good news for alts.

3. Bitc0in dominance... ultimately seems destined to head higher over coming months (bad news for alts)

In the interim, its at a monthly and weekly resistance... a pullback to retest the 48% level looks likely. This would give our alyt bags a breather.

For xrp, was rejected at resistance

jedisco:
4 charts I'm monitoring now with areas of interest arrowed or dotted

1. Bitc0in weekly- still holding but only just. . Next 2-4 weeks should be edgy

2. Bitc0in monthly- didn't close above support last month. 1st concern. Nothing confirmed yet as it could still close this month abv. If it keeps pushing down, 23.3k is the first region of interest.

3. Bitc0in dominance- seems to have confirmed a breakout about a significant level. Not good news for alts.

4. XRP- the only alt I'm watching. Has formed a cup n handle on the weekly but breakout currently at resistance. Key point is 0.52... A lot of regulatory uncertainty with the court case finalising on this soon..

All said, with the binaz and coinbaz news, I'm suprised a deeper crash hasn't occured. If that didn't crash the market, the next thing that could would be if either of them pauses withdrawals

update...

1. Bitc0in weekly... nice bounce. So far the weekly support has been a good area to fill ones bags.
The Monthly (second chart) is looking good too. A retest of 28k ish looks plausible

sharone21:
Yes, in UK....

Good stuff
What would a School of nursing registered nurse need to practice as a burse in the UK.

Also, does degree nursing have an advantage over SON for someone looking to migrate to UK/US?

As usual with Nairaland, watch sanctimonious folks who have no experience to share come and berate others, abuse a gender + derail the thread

Hebraeem:
With building on it or just land? Can you share what company you purchase them through?

Also, does anyone know about Gtmortgage please?

The unregulated nature of property purchase in Nigeria moreso with lack of access to credit facilities makes it a mine field.
Real estate is almost always bought in cash hence creating a drag on property growth. Except in highbrow areas, you can’t guarantee that those who have cash are willing to buy. Reason why most stick with undeveloped land as it's easier to dispose off. Being a landlord is another wahala.

The devaluation of the naira hasn't helped.

Real estate investment in the west provides a more measured, safe and dependable approach. Regulations are strong. There are huge opportunities in Nigeria, but at the very least, a relatively stable naira is needed

Olachase:
lol like you don't really knows what's going on go and check Dangote refinery Indians hold the top position same as BUA

I kW what I am saying the heart of Olachase is full of weakness

There are loads of Nigeria managers with Dangote.
We have Innoson and Air Peace as few among hundreds of black owned and run businesses.

Don't generalise your weak attributes

dreamxhaser:
But he didnt lie na


Look if i have a business, i will rather employ a white man

What you said reeks of inferiority complex. Same 'white man' that drained and enslaved your forefathers.
A successful business is one that emplys a qualified and suitable candidate and not one that thinks a white man should be employed simply cos of the colour of his skin.
Africans need to understand that the only Africans can develop Africa

Olachase:
Put a black man at the top of ur company and see everything run down, we all have to be objectives here, black man heart is full of evil, Nigeria brewery almost fold up one time cus one black one headed the top position, they have to sack the man and install white man before everything started working fine,

There is one multinational company around oshodi isolo where candidate with only OND in Engineering is earing 300k due to na Oga bring ham, while those with HND/Bsc earn 100k plus

It's also happing in your company buh you may not kw

Self hate is not the answer. You must really look down on yourself.

There are loads of black owned and run businesses which are successful. If a balck man is not fit to lead a company, then he shouldn't work in it either.

twosquare:
Do you have any idea where we can follow up on the case...coz I will wish to know the court dates so as to prepare ahead. Often, news trickle too late...any idea?

Details are regularly reported on news sites. After going on this long, most dont keep track if it. I wonder how you want to prepare ahead

Prizee1:
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Looked on Rightmove and Spareroom.
It'd take good luck to stumble upon a Nigerian on nairaland who knows a 2 bed flat up for rent in Exeter.