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being:
U haven't even mentioned the 40% tax yet..

And some will completely ignore the situation described above forgetting that having a 1-0-1 food regime in Nigeria is better than being insulted by kids...

Understand how the tax system in the UK works.

There are many people in the UK who are out of job which the government funds. Thats simply means the government had to make earning a wage desirable.

First taxation is based on thresholds. Only the part of wage above a 50k will be taxed at 40%. That is above the band most teachers are paid.

Having a good part of your pay taxed at 40% is a privilege. It's what many people aim to achieve. Many would rather be a 'higher band' tax payer in the UK (i.e pay 40% above 50k income) than earn 1.5 million monthly in Nigeria

ecolime:
£28,000 per year means a 'life of slavery' or 'lifetime rat race' What can £2,300 per month in UK do for you? The suffer no be small.

However, if you are a private school teacher in Naija, you can give it a consideration. For government teachers, you are much better off here.

How much are state and federal government teachers paid in Nigeria?

Many states pay graduate teachers much less than 50k. That is less than the cost of a bag of rice.
What can 50k do for you in Nigeria?

jeromestarks:
Is it just me or this girl is destined to cry in the years to come?


I mean,she makes too much noise.

For this reason, I hereby release
Stupid girl.

Keep shut. You are nothing

Kaycee54321:
Thanks so much. She's single, in her early 20s.

This is the best time to migrate. Also, the current post-Brexit climate is relatively favorable for African migrants.
She has no student loans, she has the time and energy to put in hours + build a career. If she takes her opportunities well, 10 yrs down the line, this move should prove hugely rewarding.

hustla:
They need to decide what they want and stop blowing hot and cold

Something long term and not all this ones they're doing. I know lots of people who are already looking at other countries as they can't stand looking for sponsor up and down and stuff

How can you be shouting that you're understaffed and still require people to 'need sponsorship". Even for the care homes and nurses, it's absurd because what then happens to companies that "don't have enough" to sponsor? Continue to be understaffed?

Its their country Sha, they'll do as it suits them

It can be tough to balance for policy makers.
On one hand, you have the voting British populace which has remained largely anti-imigration without considering the positive effect these working age folks bring to the society . Also there is the need to keep salaries competitive and attractive for local folk so that companies dont have the free hand to import foreign workers thereby increasing supply of labour which will result in pay suppression.

On the other hand, you have critical sectors who are lacking staff e.g farms, HGV drivers e.tc. This inhibits growth. Also, without immigration (i.e good supply of labour), the government would need to pay much more for health and social care (if standards were maintained) which results in increased taxes e.t.c. The UK is largely a service based economy and doesn't have the huge export to rely on.

Policy makers have access to all these info and more behind closed doors. But they have to balance decisions against the wrath of the voting public. All said, Brexit has been a good thing for Africans migrating to the UK. They have more opportunities now. The UK reaps visa fees from them they'd not have got from reg EU folk. The bad side is the UK not having free access to the European market.

Kaycee54321:
Hello all.

My kid sis is looking at an offer of 29K for a job in Leeds. It'll be her first time leaving the country. Please, is that livable income in that area of the country?

I know even God cannot change her mind about leaving Naija but I just need to know if she's going to continue to need occasional financial help...

She was on 120K in Naija.

I will not equate a £ 29k job for even a 500k job in naija (except in select fields)
From the salary range, I guess she is a nurse. If she single and willing to put in more hours, she can easily push that to above 50k with ever abundant locum shifts under her main employer.

With an approximate take home of 1900 and living in Leeds, she could easily save 1k from that (if single). In 3 years, she should be looking at a good mortgage. If she wants to invest in Nigeria, she should be able to acquire reasonable properties in good locations. Something her 120k would not give.
Caveat: If married, there are other calculations to be made. If single, she should be aware that the dating pool for her abroad is limited.

hustla:
“First is immigration. Let’s be honest with people. Our labour shortages are vast. First, we have lost hundreds of thousands of people to economic inactivity post Covid. And anyone who thinks they’ll all be back any day now – with the NHS under the pressure it is – is kidding themselves. Secondly, we don’t have enough Brits to go round for the vacancies that exist, and there’s a skills mismatch in any case. And third, believing automation can step in to do the job in most cases is unrealistic.

“So, let’s be practical. Let’s have economic migration in areas where we aren’t going to get the people and skills at home anytime soon. In return, let’s make those visas fixed term. At the same time, let’s double down on incentives for technology and automation. And let’s agree a skills policy that works to fill these roles from the UK in the medium term. A shortage occupation list that not only goes to the Minister for Immigration. It also goes to the Secretary of State for Education. And a business sector who take on the mantel alongside them in our training budgets.


Overwise

Reasonable take. Definitely against the fixed term stuff.

The care visa route post- brexit was intentional. Most care homes were staffed by Eastern Europeans. This workforce quickly dried up. More worrying was that the pay for care jobs was similar to working in the likes of Tesco e.t.c.
Without migration, most care home would have either collapsed or be forced to more than double their pay- something the government is unwilling to fund

habhidhemhii:
Backmarket.com

Good one. Any idea how it compares to cex.com in terms reliability?

Does anyone know where one can source good and reasonably priced used compact PCs?

Ekehwinz:
I appreciate your response and would love to get your help in getting a response from someone in the care industry for me.

Would be worth asking on this thread. There'd be a few people in working in the industry

OmichaelO:
hahaha, sorry it was a typo.

I meant to type I got it 350 pounds lesser.

It was 900

Hehe... I for don say...

Have you come across techinthebasket?

Used them before and their prices are difficult to beat. They get their products abroad so there might be regional differences and also less warranty coverage. Not that you'd likely need the warranty.

Ekehwinz:
Jedisco good morning

Please can I get a care job in the UK as a foreign social worker?

Morning.
Basic rules apply. Any organisation looking to employ would have to sponsor your visa as you're not in the UK and also pay above a certain treshold.

There are serious staff shortages moreso following Brexit as most of the Eastern European workforce that formed the backbone of care homes isn’tcoming thru as much. Also, care jobs don't pay as well hence care homes do go the extra mile to recruit/retain staff. Folks can earn more stacking shelves in Tesco than doing some care jobs.

That said, I don't work in the care industry. If you're keen, worth speaking to someone who does

OmichaelO:
thank you so much guys.

Concerning my phone dilemma last month, I later settled for s22 ultra, sorry I didn’t update you guys since. Been busy with my courses and daily hustle.

I was able to get dual sim version / 256gb for about 350 pounds ish, considering Samsung and other mine stores sell for 1250 and that’s single sim version.

New or fairly used?

Amarathripple0:
To be honest, we really need to unlearn a lot of this Naija mindset. That’s why a lot of people get bullied because they do not understand the rights that they have. You are a foreigner no mean say you be slave. Funny enough, I had an amazing employer back in Nigeria with a really good company culture, my line manager and HR were the absolute best, small headache, they’ll be begging you to go home and rest, small sadness, they’ll ask you to take time off work Lol. I cannot now move to the UK and then expect or accept less all in the name of ILR. Human not Robot.

Seems like this is the main issue. It's not like her employer has refused rather she is scared to even tell them.

Know folks who almost got into issues cos they came to work when they were ill.

Amarathripple0:
Honestly, I would also be worried. But to be honest, from the gist I’ve seen on this platform, I believe these care homes do not give a hoot. Not sure if OP works for a care home but if that’s the case, it’s to just pray that her employer at least has a heart.

I've heard some care home can be stiffnecked due to staffing shortage.
But then I doubt it'd be an issue there too. Care homes jobs are close to minimum wage and because of the shortage, they literally bend over to retain staff. Some malls even pay higher wage than care jobs
Some agencies do provide taxi transport to and fro for newly arrived care staff.

Gemma11:
Noted.

Speaking from experience, in my old company it was unheard of for someone to go on annual leave during their probationary period. Even if it was the employee's right to do so, it wasn't a good look.

You are on probation - which means one should be doing everything they can to impress their employer in terms of attendence, output and meeting all objectives

Does excercising your right take annual leave during probation actually give the employer the impression that you are actually committed to the job?

In the probabtionary period you don't have the same employee rights as other long term employees they don't need an excuse to let you go as well so even if they felt obligated to allow annual leave.

That is why I always say "Read the room". They will smile in your face and say it is ok but are they really? Or are you just giving them amunition to use against you later in an underhanded way.

If I was an employer, that a staff is scared to take time off (if needed) in times of bereavement would worry me.
If it gets out in her office that the only reason she didn't attend the burial of a relative (if truly she wanted to) was because of work, it'd shine quite badly on her.

Except we're talking of a super competitive high profile job. Even at that, most employers would easily oblige.

It's reasonable to expect similar figures in a free election

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2022/11/19/kuda-expands-enters-uk-market/amp/

Good one from Kuda. Hoping they maintain stability and growth with appropriate oversight.

It'd be good to know how their balance sheet and valuation now compares with traditional Nigerian banks.

£3 Billion heading to Nigeria yearly does loads to support the Nigerian economy. What the UK gets from school and immigration fees off Nigeria is much less. The added productivity Nigerans bring to the UK is well over that sum. So much for Nigerians abroad being poor.

Good to see Kuda coming to the UK. It would be worth knowing what license they hold. i.e money transfer, banking, money processing e.t.c

Does anyone here know what their prevailing rates are?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2022/11/19/kuda-expands-enters-uk-market/amp/

Sukkyy2010:
I dey tell you bro, this also applied to me when almost all my accomplice in circle my begin to japa, they want me to join the movement by quitting my business that already fetching 350k monthly net income as a young guy(single) I have less pressure which open me to an advantage to save enough. They all want to instill in me the interest of japa but personally I hate job, the fact that I'll have to quit my business( disorganise my life) and start my life afresh to live from paycheck to pay check in a strange land( over my dead body) I'm doing well in Nigeria now presently building an asset for passive income stream, how disorganized my life would have been by now if had join them.

I use to say it and ill say it again and again that Nigeria is still a better place to live if only we can discovered our path in life then the journey will be smooth and all those thing we crave will surely fall in place.

To each his own.. there's no almighty formula in life.

But if you're single, bright with good skills, a legal means of migration can open your horizon much larger than you imagine now.
Except your business is likely to grow rapidly, 10-15 years, proper migration abroad might just be the pedestal you need to drive your dreams back home.
350k is good money in naija but after migrating, you'd look at it differently. I was earning more than that before leaving. Looking back, migrating is almost the best decision I made in my life. My monthly savings (after bills) abroad quickly superceded my annual savings in naija. When I wanted to invest back home, things I thought as big before became conquerable.

Ask the noisemaking lout above where he got £400 from... he begins to scurry, digging himself further into a hole.

The thread where I delivered basic education to him (wouldn't surprise if he goes on an editing spree). Not everyone would end up a deportee stuck in the mud

https://www.nairaland.com/7141606/should-leave-job-japa-uk/13

sukkot:
experience talking here. but you wouldnt know. you google everything

if the average is that low according to the statistics then imagine that the rich ones are the ones taking it to that level so that tells you many earn way below what you posted. but you are not smart enough to know that

I remember schooling you on another thread where you were spreading bogus claims. At the end of the day, you gave me good gratitude.

I ask, where did you get your £400 average weekly pay from?

sukkot:
freedom, peace of mind, not being heavily taxed to death, you are beside the food you love to eat, no second class citizeshipp based on your skin color, not too many bills, not feeling like an out of place alien, not feeling like a unwanted visitor etc etc. thats what we mean by sweetness

Freedom, peace of mind? Lol.... even Buhari will laugh at you.

Taxes- western societies are structured in a way that the government needs folks to work so they don't have to depend on benefits. In Nigeria, you need to work so you don't die. When you understand that, you'd see why even your leaders will rather pay high tax in a western nation than zero tax in Nigeria. I would rather pay high taxes if that's the cost of development than pay zero and be an undeveloped nation.

Food- If you're foodie, leaving Nigeria would open your senses. Then you'd know that eating Ethiopian, Japanese, spanish, Jamaican menu e.t.c can be a weakly routine. If i want Nigerian food, I know the best is supplied to the west

Bills- expatiatiate... most bills paid are voluntary for good services rendered

Discrimination? Lol... the highest discrimination I've witnessed was as a Nigerian in Nigeria. Below is a picture I took of Nigerians slaughtered in their home state. There were more bodies packed in trucks waiting to be offloaded. Their own governor denied the killing. The shocking thing is that this picture happened in peacetime. I don't want to tell you what is going on there now.

Again, what is the enjoyment you refer to?

sukkot:
ignorant ass nigga obviously you dont know what you tambout. alright lets do earnings to car insurance ratio. so they want 4000 a year from me as insurance. this is 80 pounds a week. the average wage in uk is like 400 a week. so at 80 pounds you want a fifth of my salary just for insurance alone. i never pay rent ooooo and my other 20 bills. now here in naija the average wage is like 300 thousand a month ( average not minimum because i used average for uk too ). so the insurance at 5000 a year is 10 naira a week. wage at 300 thousand is 75000 a week. so out of 75000 naira a week they only want 10 naira a week for insurance. thats less than one percent of my wage whereas in uk they want 20 percent of my wages in auto insurance. hope you have been schooled ignant nigga

I doubt you've ever left your village.

Tell me what vehicle you're insuring for 4000k. Folks drive a 2020 SUV with less than 3yrs on their licence and pay less than £500 pa for comprehensive insurance.
Regarding salaries, try and leave your village. There is only so much you can get from hearsay

Congrats to them. It takes alot to pull thru.
Next time, a chkld should not be left unattended

All said, there is no country with automatic prosperity for everyone. Some folks would do better in Nigeria and some folks would do better outside. Those looking to migrate anywhere (even within Nigeria) should think it thru. There are no bed of roses

IbeOkehie:
This is seriously funny. Please there's data about economic conditions in Nigeria, this isn't like 25 years ago. Let's quote some of them offhand -......

You write from experience and with facts...
Relativity is important. Dangote saying he's broke and an average Nigerian saying same do not mean thesame thing.
Most of the things the western media would be agog about and folks overseas would complain about are things we'd not even bother with in Nigeria... e.g inflation of 10%, forcing out a PM because he went for a party during lockdown, 'heatwave' of 35 C. e.t.c.

Lastly, when folks say Nigeria is the best place for someone with money to 'enjoy', ask them what enjoyment means and you'd be surprised.

Shutupthere:
They do and most even leave with 20M and leave jobs that pay 500k plus for the UK . If they are focused they will be better off in 5 years there than they will be in Nigeria. If you have ever invested in a personal biz in naija you will know what it means to play Russian roulette with your hard earned savings

Good stuff...

IbeOkehie:
The essence of this thread is something I've noticed among the upper class in Nigeria - they don't want other Nigerians to make it out to the UK, USA or other developed countries.
Talking to some of them, you can tell they would prohibit Nigerians from migrating if they could

The UK of today is as enjoyable as any other era. I know a few fresh doctors and nurses and also students and lower class workers who have made a higher standard of living for themselves than they would ever have in Nigeria. Some of them even work illegally.

Warren Buffett has said it plenty times and I know by experience, there's nothing that a rich man can enjoy in the West that a poor man can't get except private jet.

So this is what it has come to. � No wonder Nigeria is the way it is.

True... in the past, Nigerians in the UK saw themselves as 'elites'. These group get angry when they see regular folks migrating and doing well for themselves.

progress160:
Hello guys. I posted about driving bruhaha where I worked. Although my company advised me to apply for a provincial license which I have done, I noticed they have been very cold towards me since then. They find fault in everything I do and threaten to send me home at any slight instant. They are delibrately frustrating me. I get accused for things I didn't do and I am not given a chance to defend myself. Currently I trek several miles daily to see clients because my company said I can only buy a car until I get my pass my driving test and I can't use my international license. They paid me without a pay slip and wen I requested they ignored. I was threatened that I will be sent home if any report comes about me. I am tired. I just called another company who are willing to sponsor me after an interview.

My question. Can I go with the new company because I have only worked for a month with my current company. What about my dependents, do they need to apply as well

The details on this are sketchy and gives the vibe of somethings not being said.
There are too many red flags.
Denying you your payslip has the potential to land the company in much more trouble.

Fact is, the treatment you're receiving would not stop until something gives.

skydiver01:
I agree. But, lets remain positive whilst diversifying.

Being positive shouldn't stop one from demanding good leadership. Nations move ahead on the basis of citizens voting and demanding good leadership.

I bother less today about inflation/devaluation as I believe most is already locked in and I remain well hedged.
I n the early days when the seeds driving the current economic performance were being sown, some of us called it out here. Folks said it's only those that don't have investments that complain about inflation or devaluation... lol... now the fruits have ripened.. hope their investments did add up.