₦airaland Forum

ahiboilandgas:
know you from where� ..quoting 10m out of school kids in a conversion of remittance vs government budgets is not only emotional but has no bearing in the conservation! Only airline are taking 1bn usd from the Nigeria markets mr remitter ! Lumping all Japarian is emotional and unreasonable .So you been very emotional in your respond. Some Japarian are rich both in Niger and the UK or any where in the world ! Some Nigerians are top of their thing overseas. But for every 2 in this niche 20 are living in basement, poor housing .subrent and doing low life and dead end jobs they wouldn't touch with a pole back home . I go to the stadiums and event I hardly see any Nigerians just few very few. When I mean few we are really few ! Why I believe this NNPC conducted recruitment in 2017/18 many Japarains ran back to attend the Aptitude test ! Then NNPC entry level pay was around 280k per month and japarian where flying in from us ,Canada,.uk to attend!

Again, emotional vituperations without verifiable facts.

No wahala, Nigerian diasporeans are suffering, only flipping burgers and washing dead bodies meanwhile, Nigerians back home are enjoying, living large with vacations and large mansions. Happy now?

ahiboilandgas:
visa approved .see how disgusting the white Man look at him

Imagine someone that should have been enjoying his private jet and mansion back home suffering himself trekking into another mans country.

BTW, I gather there are thousands of canadians on foot trying to cross into Nigeria thru Katsina. They want to come and enjoy in Nigeria. The suffering in Canada is too much

ahiboilandgas:
Fasle!remittance money is not exclusively spare money. Due to uncertainty in the JAPA destination is form bulk of the Japarian income saved after leaving rough and basic for years! the Nigeria ashi in Italy are sending their main income home while staying in abandon homes in Italy. Other are residing in cramp accommodation in Ireland and UK sharing toilets and kitchen to save enough and send home! You hardly see Nigeria japarian on leisure ,vacation or stadia .Na from shift to shifts to send home the much needed USD. Only a tiny population are truely chilling ..all those taxi drivers in New York are living basic while putting up big houses home .

Japarians are suffering but can at least return 20b usd after sorting tax, accomodation e.t.c

How much would the 10 million out of school kids produce when they are grown?

Dude, you know me. I discuss facts not emotional opinions.

hustla:
What kind of questions do you get? Trying to learn here too

Not only questions but statements stemming out of ignorance. Too many to list.

I remember an adult (parents are Nigerian but she's never been) telling me she's not visited Abuja or Lagos as she's scared of being kidnapped but she'd rather travel to Ghana where she has no roots.

When you come across those who had been to Nigeria reasonably well, their perception is very much different. They understand there are challenges but are not guided by media driven stories. I calmed her down by explaining that in many parts of Abj, she'd be considered poor and richer folks back home have not all vanished.

One thing I've noticed is the cultural dilemma 1st gen kids experience moreso in less diverse/smaller town. I feel for them. They struggle to connect with newly immigrated Nigerians who'd burst into pidgin whenever we see ourselves. They also struggle to immiate with white folks in these smaller towns (as they're less accomodating). It's like they're stuck in the middle of different cultures and struggle with an identity that fits them. Of course not all.

STENON:
Thank you very much. We have pure water and poor water water sachet everywhere but both are very unsafe for drinking.
Thanks for the immunizations advice, I would work on it

Hehe...
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There's sachet water by trusted companies or bottled water by same. Still drink both to this day. If there is a well sited machine drilled borehole or even a private well with pump, then water needs are largely settled asides drinking.

I would not be advising long-term use of dettol in water and certainly not to use it in water for brushing moreso for a kid that'd typically swallow such.

As an adult, I've always tried to avoid using mosquito repellant creams or sprays except on certain late outings and wouldn't be keen on using them on a toddler (except very very occasionally as I'm unsure what the long-term effects might be.
As he'd be on malaria prophylaxis, the main concern is the irritation of the bites not contracting malaria. A well netted house + occasional insecticides/nets would keep off most mosquitoes. Worse still an insectinator is an option. I'd consider all these before using repellant creams.

Yes, it's important to be health conscious but the main thing to appreciate is that kids in the Southwest are not dropping dead by the second. I believe on subsequent visits, things would be easier.

koonbey:
Funniest thing I've seen so far this new year.

Owishiwishi

Anyway, to the OP on a more serious note - normal bottled water from reputable brands (e.g. Eva) should be fine, but if any one of you is immunocompromised or you want to be doubly safe, just boil water. Heat sterilises water the same way anywhere in the world, even in Nigeria

The good thing is that she's trying to connect. Somethings are best experienced. That way, one finds out Africans don't live on trees.

Hopefully, the child gets more opportunities to experience Nigeria by him/herself. That way, you he/she wouldn't ask the kind of questions I get from the grown-up kids of some diasporeans.

LagBlogger:
Remittances to Nigeria was $20 bn in 2021 less than 4% of GDP. The bulk of GDP comes from hard working Nigerians who choose to make a difference back home rather than opt for a short cut to better living.

Read my post- used Budget not GDP

The diasporan remittance for 2021 was 20b usd
The national budget for 2021 was 13.6 trillion equating to between 27b usd - 35 b usd depending on the prevailing exchange rate used at the time ( cbn or parallel)

Remittance sent home by individuals is spare money left after attending to necessities where they're based.

The GDP comparison is equally impressive when you take into cognisance that GDP is one measure of the total economic activity... i.e stocks, oil nd gas, telecommunication, businesses in different sectors e.t.c


Money can be made anywhere. Japa is not for everyone.
That one made money in Nigeria or declined migrating does not mean inaccurate information about folks elsewhere.

Facts are facts...

STENON:
Just making our bucket list for 2023
I am planning of going home with my family at some point in this year, I am from the rural part of South Western Nigeria.

My son is 2 years old and has never been to Nigeria. His Dad is white Scottish .

Please what are the safety precautions for food and water safety? Do I need to go with bottled water from here or just boil water at home for them? What are the dos and don't? Do you think it is wise to go now that he is 2 years old or I should wait a bit longer? What are the necessary immunisations to take? Please kindly help a confused mum. Thank you xx

Lol.... u want to carry bottled water from uk to Nigeria?
You Really believe there's no good water back home? Just as the media protrays...

Bottled/sachet water is rampant which is safe for drinking. Same with a deep enough borehole with maintained tanks (worse still, you can boil it)

You could make your food or eat out in places you feel have good hygiene
Safety largely depends on where you're going to and your personal circumstance.

For immunisations, worth visiting any travel centre. Did he have TB vaccine at birth? Also malaria is one to sure get prophylaxis against.

sugarkemi:
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But is the figure realistic after am done with school.?

Depends on a number of factors which include:

Course of study
Age+ social mobility
Job you're in
How your pay is structured.. private contractor e.t.c
Side hustles
Location
Kids
Investment decisions
Other mandatory expenditure... cars, rent e.t.c. This does not include mortgage repayments

Depending on the above, you could reasonably give yourself a timeframe to attain that. Immediately after masters might be a tall ask.

To put things in perspective, 3k savings after expenses is roughly equivalent to someone who has 1 - 2 million monthly in Nigeria after expenditure.

It'd be difficult to make accurate projections from Nigeria as it'd be difficult to grasp lots of things. It's best after experiencing the system yourself.
All said, many have treaded this path to greatness.

jum33:
Let me tell u the real truth,if you making 6 figures in nigeria and living comfortable and you come to uk ,your first few month you will regret your actions.

Not true.

Many folks who were earning well into 6 figures in Nigeria knew they made the right choice the day they received their first UK paycheck. This includes myself.

As a student, it's quite different. He has to see the big picture and plan towards quick career growth.

sugarkemi:
Nothing like setting a target.As u can see I said I'm making 6 digits.I just want to have idea how much we can be saving considering how much am making in Nigeria. So that i won't regret my move. Thanks

I think the issue here is that you're equating a 6 figure pay in Nigeria to jobs that'd allow you and your wife save £3000. Without knowing your exact figures, in Nigerian terms, that's like equating an entry civil service job to an oil and gas job.

On relative terms, I will largely equate a 500,000 job in Nigeria to a 1.8- 2.2k job in the UK that'd allow you save £500 - £750 per month after expenses.

£3k savings is good money. I doubt you'd hit that except your wife is into a high earning job + side income

IbeOkehie:
I'd advise anyone living in the UK or abroad to ignore these guys......

Happy New Year to you and yours. This 2023 is going to be great.

Happy new year to you. Good experience you have.

Few times I respond is mainly to correct wrong narratives so they don't linger.

Largely, there are two groups. Some from posts back have failed in their attempts to migrate hence hate. Others lack the mental know-how to compare issues across developed and developing nations. Between both are folks who could ve doing well for themselves but enjoy the sea of poverty around them. They can't stomach a better society

Sometime back one was comparing food prices and explaining how food was expensive in the west. After proper tutoring, he saw that food was at least 10x more expensive in Nigeria than in the UK.

Another is tax... I used to fear this before migrating but now, I laugh at my reasoning then. I still explain to them that paying high tax is a privilege many aim to achieve. These are countries that feed and house struggling citizens. It simply means, folks are encouraged to work so they don't depend on the government. Hence tax rate is hardly an issue. The higher, the better.

Another was when they used to mock migrating health workers. I had to explain to them how Nigerian health workers abroad were suffering and begging for food while their counterparts in Nigeria owned private jets.

Another is the current strikes fue to record high inflation of 10% in 2022 (highest in 40 yrs). Meanwhile, Nigerian workers have been battered by roughly 20% inflation for a decade.

Another is how diasporeans are suffering. But these abroad folks who constitute less than 1% of our population are able to send back remittances that equal our national budget. This is the 'change' they send back after paying tax and sorting their needs abroad...

Misconceptions go on and on. I stick to facts when responding. That way, it's not difficult to separate wheat from chaff.

All said, I'm not against those who want to stay back or those who want to migrate legally. No formula fits all.

ahiboilandgas:
una like to turn topic upside down .the topic was why are UK workers on strike for low pay from nurse to train driver and Nigeria are still japing here . Not .uk vs Nigeria

You started by mentioning how people in Kano e.t.c are making loads forgetting the poor millions.

Again relativity... I remember explaining this on the Treasury bill thread.

UK workers are striking because 'high' inflation of 10% is making them poorer. When was the last time inflation in Nigeria was 10%?

Our monthly minimum wage is less than a bag of rice. Alot of graduate civil servants after working for a month earn less than a bag of rice.

pansophist:
London doesn't even feels like London anymore, it feels like Jamaica. If your idea of the UK is through the lense of Mr Bean movie or James Bond, then you need to update.

I was in Birmingham and Luton this summer for a visit, and it feels like I was in the middle East. Middle easterner everywhere with their women covering themselves from head to toe exposing just their face. It feels like the city is majority populated by Muslims.

You'll see more foreigners in London than ethnic English people. It's like Lagos pro max. Unless you go deep into the country, London just doesn't feel like London anymore. There are shops you'll go to and the person attending to you hardly speaks good English.

If you want to japa, target places like new Zealand, Australia, even Ireland is better. And if you do not mind the cold, Nordic countries are good. Your quality of life will improve, with huge space that is badly lacking in the UK.

This point is moot and reeks of inferiority complex. A multicultural city usually means less discrimination and something to be welcomed. I expect a discussion on opportunities not the colour of people in a place.

London rightly remains attractive due to its cosmopolitan nature and being a melting point for different cultures. Reason why lots of people feel welcome there. Virtually no city in the world (asides Newyork) has the feel London gives.

People travel for better opportunities and a better life. They do not travel to see white people or count trees.

UK is still overwhelmingly white. If you want to live in a white/English neighbourhood, lots of Southern communities abound.

Uzomarrr12345:
Talk about the business you know .

Go to Idumota market, go and see the drug business… and see how businesses are booming…

Because you ran and failed in business, you think Nigeria businesses died 2013…

So people setting up businesses after 2013 are clowns bah…to even find shop today for lagos lsland na war (very hard)

Business is not for everyone, some people are destined to be flipping burgers at McDonald’s for 7 years before they can blow

Everyone destiny isn’t the same.
Japa isn’t for everyone.

The earlier generation in my family were successful traders but we've moved on to production and adding value. It's due to this knowledge that my business was able to keep running over the last 8 yrs.

If the shops at idumota were 'booming' as you put it, then our economy will be on the rise.

There are folks who've made good money over the last 8 yrs but that means nothing in a sea of poverty.
Facts are facts... Japa isn't for everyone... to each his own

ahiboilandgas:
you are expanding the area of discussion unnecessary. Changing goal post. What we are saying that there some aspect of Nigeria that is better than the UK lise wise the UK. Some say a 500 bn USD economy is dead ! Please who accumulated the 800 m USD back log of flight fees in Nigeria ! This are Nigerians .

Nigeria is a nation of 200m with an economy of 440b usd
UK is a nation if 72 million with an economy of 3.1 trillion usd

There are opportunities everywhere but if those in the UK are suffering, then I wonder how folks in Nigeria are faring.

ttoyetade:
Is English your own native language ?. Are you not an immigrant to the UK ? Your abusive language already shows the kind of person you are. You are living in the UK and you don't know a new comer to the UK cannot earn £2,000 per month after tax within 3 months of entering UK regardless of which profession. I have lived in UK for more than 20 years and I can lecture you on how the system works. I am highly successful in the system.I don't come to Social media to boast of material possession. Get more matured and know how to exchange ideas without insulting or abusing people.

£1.3k savings is 3 months is not rocket science. I know a good number of folks who's initial take-home right from Nigeria was above £3k. With living expenses of less than £1k, saving that sum a month is well tenable.

ahiboilandgas:
You stay endless in the cold in america doing per hour job and watching CNN and social media telling you at Nigeria has collapse no hope ! So who is emirate carrying from Nigeria with 21 slot weekly .How did 63000 Nigeria raised million of pounds to school in the UK , who is importing 2 bn USD tokunbo car from America, wealth 1bn usd drug 1.5 bn USD phone 600 m USD. No be same Nigerian economy that japarian say it dead ! The lekki deep sea port! If Najia is dead why will south Korea invest 2 bn USD in lekki deep sea port?

Nigeria is not dead. Little understanding of macroeconomics is the reason why the west has far outpaced Africa.

All the things you mentioned is nothing to be proud about.
Your arguments are like a cocoa farmer bragging about his riches where chocolate producers are. Same thing with Nigeria and oil. There are non-oil producers that make more from the oil business than Nigeria.

We are a country of over 200 million. On travelling thru Abuja, I noted there were 11 international flights for the whole day. One terminal in Heathrow alone will see that traffic in an hour. This is not considering the other heathrow terminals or airports in London. Uk has a population of 71 million. Your 21 weekly flights is nothing to brag about.

Regarding Kano you mention, I lived there. I was shocked at the relative lack of middle class. There are few stupendously rich folks (who typically send their kids abroad) and millions of very poor folks with no hope. There are more out of school kids in Kano than the whole of Europe and NA combined. When in Kano, my 'alarm' was sadly the back-to-back songs groups of these kids keep singing from early hours of the morning.

Uzomarrr12345:
I’m not saying Nigeria is better … but truth be told , there are more things you can EASILY start up here in Nigeria if the capital is there .

Secondly, Many business owners in Nigeria always fail to expand … for example, if you have a business here that fetches you 300/350k (after expenses) … after a year or two of savings , what stops you from recreating another one or expanding to make it 600/700k

But an average small business owner here will rather be comfortable with ONE shop for 10years… rather than trying to expand and broaden the income .

Take a step back and look at the big things.

Over the last 8 years, businesses in Nigeria have struggled. I know that as I ran a business. Simple reason? The economy has been on a decline/stagnant.

The best time for business owners was 2000- 2013. That was simply because the Nigerian economy was growing.

The growth of the economy is the primary driver of business growth

Uzomarrr12345:
But seriously, there is money in Nigeria…

Even a road side vulcanizer in a good location in lagos can make up to 250k per month…

Plus , to be honest , Nigeria is the only country where you can have a business that fetches let’s say 1 million naira every month and still not even pay tax of 5k.

This is just my own thinking sha , only People in healthcare or tech or doing street are really doing big things in Europe.

Na so my guy leave him bakery business for Nigeria ,go Poland Dey earn mere 1,200 zlotyy (122k in naira) per month (after rent and other bills) , not even euros

Is this something to be proud of?

As someone who pays tax of 40% on a good sum of my take home, I can tell you that the only people looking to migrate in Nigeria who should be worried about 'high tax in the west' are our thieving politicians. The average Nigerian is better of paying higher tax if that means improvement in HDI

Lekan239:
the death rate in those developed country is higher than the death rate in Nigeria. People also die every seconds there

What's the life expectancy in the UK?
What's the life expectancy in Nigeria?

You are beginning to sound like a joke

Lekan239:
some tech guys earn that much. Even some content creators. A guy who makes is cash through YouTube once posted is pay check here on nairaland, it was on front page, you could search it and confirm yourself

Its not about comparing the pounds to naira while you stay abroad, People who earn below £40,000 annually in the UK are considered poor there..

Earn £40,000 annually in Nigeria and you are a king here. So I could earn far less than what a £40,000 UK earner earn and still live far more comfortably.

Most migrant in UK who earn £40,000 and below, the least rent monthly(poor man house) in low income area in the UK for one bedroom is about £1000 plus energy bill. Leaving you with £28,000. You will be taxed about £10,000 for earning £40,000. Leaving you with £18,000.

To you that £18,000 runs into million in Nigeria, but it can't even pay the grocery and utility bills down where you stay.

Dude... stop manufacturing stories.

You have never lived in the UK

ttoyetade:
Which job are you doing in the UK that has brought you this much. its like you have save more than £3000 in 3 months. This can mislead new comers thinking they can make this kind of money within 3 months of arrival

What she said is not unheard of. 1.2m is roughly £1.3k. Many jobs will let a single person save much more than that a month (after expenses)

Nairaland and abroad matter....
Is this how high the japa fever is?

Viruses:
Interesting.

Thank you very much.

I was beginning to consider Lexus 450h 2010 but maybe I'll stick with this as I don't really like hybrids. I like fuel only or electric only.

The Kadjar is also competitively priced.

All said, if one can afford it, I'd prefer to limit my search to 5yrs post production + low mileage for peace of mind. If going for older vehicles, I'd go for something small and cheap with easy maintenance.
What I'm not keen on is big older vehicles. The fear of 'parts and labour' when a car breaks down can be annoying.

fatima04:
ILR update

5years don waka, we still dey Carry go oo ....... Time really does fly.

Congrats... most can't wait.

In a few years, most reg contributors members of the thread would be passport holders and convos will change

Progressivegee:
Update!

Hello guys, thanks for your responses and concerns. I replied my employer and stated some of the incidents of ill treatment, bullying and threats I received while working for them. I also told them to go ahead and report me to home office. After a couple of days, they mailed me to return my uniform and other company items in my possession. They also called to ask if I was still in the town or I had left the country. Lol. I laughed in my mind. My successful visa application mail was sent to me already. I took the items to them today. The MD came out in person to receive the items and went back in immediately. As I turned to leave, I said in my mind "good riddance".

I will be resuming work at my new place of work (a care home, no longer domiciliary care) in a couple of days.

Thanks to everyone once again for your suggestions and advice.

Congrats on finally sorting it out.
Can I send a PM? Want to clarify a few things.

Viruses:
Does anyone have any reviews on Renault (Kadjar) cars? I find them really affordable so trying to look for the downside.

Good ride with good looks esp for the S- Nav. Very spacious. Gather its being replaced

Some of the 2016/2017 model that is ULEZ compliant and you only pay £20 as road tax. Fuel efficiency of this is crazy good for this model and difficult to beat for a diesel SUV. Not the fastest off the mark but had more than enough speed for most things. Worth being sure android auto works with the infotainment system.

I gather it's been discontinued but earlier models used same engine with Nissan Qashqai which is a best seller. All said, if getting one, chk the MOT and service history and worth going for one with a low mileage (under 30k preferably)

quentin06:
Like I said before if your annual income in a developed country is not in 6 digits forget it. There is a different between living a lifestyle and renting it. The living costs there are much higher, rent is paid monthly, medicare is expensive, you have to get permits and licenses for things we take here for granted. Raising children is more expensive, taxation much more higher, here you can keep millions in your account no one bothers you over there witnout some form of immunity that money will be taken from you.

Making a lot of money without knowing how to keep it in your pocket is another route to poverty.

Have you ever lived in a 'developed society'?

What percentage of UK residents earn above 6 figures?

Tutu82:
Would this £2,300 be before or after Tax.
I don’t see that amount being good enough to get a mortgage in inner London perhaps neighbouring towns like Milton Keynes,Hertfordshire.

It should be 1.9k after tax.

It's not great pay but it's definitely liveable.
It'd be difficult to get by with that in London. I'd rarely advise anyone new to the UK to settle in London except it gives you a comparatively better pay which is not the case for many.
Most folks would get better schools, less crime, better housing and social amenities e.t.c for same money in lots of lovely places outside London. For sure, London just like Newyork has it's perks and difficult to compare with in certain areas.

lajid:
Here ednut, trust you’re well. Don’t you think 45m to 60k pounds a year is low after removing tax and living expenses?

You commented on my thread when I asked whether to choose big four or IB (actually went for the big four reason being that I want to japa too.

But then the money paid looks small, how do they save with 45-60k pounds? After tax and living expenses?

What percentage of UK workers earn above £60k?
I'd easily choose a 60k job in the UK over a 1.5m monthly job in Nigeria.

The average salary in the UK is £38k

How does the 'average wage earner in the UK get by?

All the talk about UK salary increase is due to inflation of 10%. When was the last time our inflation rate was at 10%.

When comparing the UK to Nigeria, relativity is important.

ecolime:
You are the one talking rubbish. What's your NET & disposable income from the £2,300?

How are you able to afford a mortgage with that peanut?

You think everyone on NL is an ignorant poor man like you

£2300 is not great pay but is good enough to lead a reasonable life and get a mortgage in many parts of UK

juman:
A teacher in nigeria that is doing side business, a hardworking person, would be successful than most people living abroad.
FACT.

What's percentage of Nigerians live abroad?

What the latest amount of remittance Nigeria receives from its diasporeans yearly?

What is the annual budget of Nigeria?

FYI, Nigerians living abroad who equate to less than 1% send back over 50% of our budget.