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ahiboilandgas:
no the question and topic remain ! Why are Nigerians japing to the UK when UK worker are on strike. If don't have any reasonable answer to the question move on.

I've have answered that multiple times...

Reason is high cos of items due to 10% inflation- the highest in 40yrs.

Now, when was the last time inflation in Nigeria was 10%?
Imagine what UK workers would do if they have suffered a decade of roughly 20% inflation.

BTW, our CBN target for inflation is 9% while theirs is 2%. Says it all.

Still same folly- comparing problems of developed countries to developing countries. Dangote saying he's broke is different from an almajiri being broke.

Poor Nigerian diasporeans....

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ahiboilandgas:
only around 5 percent are in those level you listed above! The bulk of the remittance it to pay back JAPA loan ! Sponsor more Japarains ,black tax , develop retirement home ( while living like a pauper overseas) develop status home , send illegal earned money from undocumented workers , business email comprise remittance , hookers for Italy ( zero tax ) drug and 419 funds from India to Thailand . Infact the main remittances is from hustle ( una sabi within I mean sha ) how much per hour work one send na ...100 to 200 pound. While the Italian Madam can send 100,000 euro , the run girl 5000 euro !Yahoo boys 11 m USD . See mopha transaction. 32bn Naira remittance . After you pay rent pay health insurance pay tax ,pay car insurance pay parking pay day care pay gas and electrical ( 180 USD) barb ( 20) water 50 where you want see money remit to build house for lekki . You need about 1300 pounds per month to Manage for UK vs media wage of 18k ( after taxing above the 125000 income) ...1300x 12 =15600 - 18000 = saving 200 pounds per month ( so where the 20bn USD remittance) wan show from .

They're suffering but the poverty capital of the world in enjoying. Happy now?

timesuploaded:
Every Nigerian living in America and Canada are broke, depressed and suicidal. The first 10million richest Nigerian live and work in Nigeria. Nobody ever traveled to America or Canada and made it. They are all slaves. Tell Americans to pay cash for their cars and 80% of them will be trekking this very minute. Tell Americans to pay cash for their houses and 99.9% of them will be homeless and sleeping on the street tonight. There is no progress in America. America is a failed and glorified shiithole

So you wish. Of course Nigerians living in Nigeria are enjoying with their private jets

What you fail to understand is that the western countries are taking your best heads in health, IT e.t.c. That is why they far outperform even the locals. The other day, Buhari was thanking these diasporeans for saving the naira from further disgrace

Regarding your statement about cars, I'd add that to the odd analogies I shared above.
The folly in this statement is same with when ahib said food in the west was more expensive than in Nigeria cos he was comparing the usd price of a coke bottle. After effective teaching, he has never repeated such statement.

I agree America is poor but in our rich Nigeria 95% of our 'new cars' are cars they've used and discarded. Many of which are accidented/flooded and written off.

America is poor yet their discarded clothes are packaged and sent to the rich Nigeria as okrika. lol

America is poor yet it has the biggest economy in the world but rich Nigeria is not even in the top 20.

America is poor yet one U.S company has a market value of over 2 trillion usd. Lol

Reflect over those statements and you'd question the validity of your thought process

LagBlogger:
There are 2 million Nigerians living abroad. $20,000,000,000/2,000,000 = $10,000 on average per annum.

This cannot be spare change. So you are not reeling facts.

Most Nigerians abroad send home substantial money for investment as backup plan in case things don't work out well abroad.

$10,000 by any standard is a substantial amount. Why would they risk such if Nigeria is worthless?

Not all of it will go into investment, some to support family back home but the bulk of it will be for investment.

First, the sum has risen well above 20b usd and over four times our foreign direct investment.

It only captures the sum sent through official CBN channels which I can tell you is cumbersome. A good chunk of remittance is not captured in this.

Whatever reason they send money back home for, they'd have first paid tax, accomodation, food, and some even mortgage and cars e.t.c. Hence in economics whats left is called discretion income i.e change

Investing in Nigeria is hardwork. Not many prioritise this. The growth of the economy tells you that. The naira has lost 26% of value against the usd this year. I.e, anyone holding usd eithout even doing anything is already 26% up. Why wouldn't that person seek investments in their abode and avoid the hassles of some thieving relatives. On average, the naira loses 10- 20% yearly for the past 40 years. Yes, some make investments back home but most have been severely burnt and have vowed never to.

Hence the remittance figure you see is indeed a small portion of the full picture

ahiboilandgas:
as the risk of child turning gays Abi No way! With Gay,lesbian and bisexual having more rights more than blacks .it a toxic and risky and unfit for my kids ! Doyin okupe son is a classic example .NO way .

Lets always remember that the reason over 90% of Nigerians either identify as Christians or Muslims is mainly because other groups or nations forcefully spread their religion to us thru conquest.
If homosexual relationships were legal in the UK as of the time of colonialism, just like we speak english, we'd be singing a different tune.

Homosexuality hardly the world problem today. We have our women openly soliciting sex on our streets and people like you picking them up and coming to brag on NL. Let's start with that.

ahiboilandgas:
hard working Nigerian Japarains .kindly tell me what this Nigeria lady is doing .do it look like enjoying or suffering .honest opinion.

The answer is in your picture if only you have the IQ to understand it.

Cue: see my post abv

erico2k2:
You are just hating cos U could not get a VISA and recieved a long term Ban and here you are. Fact is these rubbish you are spewing on here why dont you venture to the property and Auto sections of Nairaland and vomit all these

Lol... as is the story with most, he tried to migrate unsuccessfully before. Now, lacking the required skill to land a good job he hates what he cannot achieve.

It's folks like him that would do everything to make sure his kids school abroad.

Due to Low IQ he cannot decipher that the reason those in the pictures he's posting put themselves thru such is because of the state of things in their home nation.

japhethGold:
You Have Said It All bro.

I left Nigeria as CFO of an oil and gas servicing company through student route. I left with my family. But since the past 1 year, I have NO single regret coming here. Although there are challenges to put you off, which are normal in life.

I have finished my MSc with distinction and as best graduating student last October and has gotten a job already as a Lecturer based on my excellent academic performance. I don't know anybody! I have no connection like is obtainable in Nigeria! Who sit far away in Nigeria and said UK is not a great country. This is a great country that you will succeed in if you are excellent and hardworking. Just put your head down and work your way to the TOP!

Note, my formal Award ceremony is this Jan 6th but I have gotten the job to even resume before my formal graduation ceremony. I give JESUS ALL the Glory!

The reverse is the case where we came from- politicians have destroyed everything. No connection No job for you in the very university that produced you even when you have first class. Is that a country?

Congrats!

Experience speaks....

ahiboilandgas:
know you from where� ..quoting 10m out of school kids in a conversion of remittance vs government budgets is not only emotional but has no bearing in the conservation! Only airline are taking 1bn usd from the Nigeria markets mr remitter ! Lumping all Japarian is emotional and unreasonable .So you been very emotional in your respond. Some Japarian are rich both in Niger and the UK or any where in the world ! Some Nigerians are top of their thing overseas. But for every 2 in this niche 20 are living in basement, poor housing .subrent and doing low life and dead end jobs they wouldn't touch with a pole back home . I go to the stadiums and event I hardly see any Nigerians just few very few. When I mean few we are really few ! Why I believe this NNPC conducted recruitment in 2017/18 many Japarains ran back to attend the Aptitude test ! Then NNPC entry level pay was around 280k per month and japarian where flying in from us ,Canada,.uk to attend!

Again, emotional vituperations without verifiable facts.

No wahala, Nigerian diasporeans are suffering, only flipping burgers and washing dead bodies meanwhile, Nigerians back home are enjoying, living large with vacations and large mansions. Happy now?

ahiboilandgas:
visa approved .see how disgusting the white Man look at him

Imagine someone that should have been enjoying his private jet and mansion back home suffering himself trekking into another mans country.

BTW, I gather there are thousands of canadians on foot trying to cross into Nigeria thru Katsina. They want to come and enjoy in Nigeria. The suffering in Canada is too much

ahiboilandgas:
Fasle!remittance money is not exclusively spare money. Due to uncertainty in the JAPA destination is form bulk of the Japarian income saved after leaving rough and basic for years! the Nigeria ashi in Italy are sending their main income home while staying in abandon homes in Italy. Other are residing in cramp accommodation in Ireland and UK sharing toilets and kitchen to save enough and send home! You hardly see Nigeria japarian on leisure ,vacation or stadia .Na from shift to shifts to send home the much needed USD. Only a tiny population are truely chilling ..all those taxi drivers in New York are living basic while putting up big houses home .

Japarians are suffering but can at least return 20b usd after sorting tax, accomodation e.t.c

How much would the 10 million out of school kids produce when they are grown?

Dude, you know me. I discuss facts not emotional opinions.

hustla:
What kind of questions do you get? Trying to learn here too

Not only questions but statements stemming out of ignorance. Too many to list.

I remember an adult (parents are Nigerian but she's never been) telling me she's not visited Abuja or Lagos as she's scared of being kidnapped but she'd rather travel to Ghana where she has no roots.

When you come across those who had been to Nigeria reasonably well, their perception is very much different. They understand there are challenges but are not guided by media driven stories. I calmed her down by explaining that in many parts of Abj, she'd be considered poor and richer folks back home have not all vanished.

One thing I've noticed is the cultural dilemma 1st gen kids experience moreso in less diverse/smaller town. I feel for them. They struggle to connect with newly immigrated Nigerians who'd burst into pidgin whenever we see ourselves. They also struggle to immiate with white folks in these smaller towns (as they're less accomodating). It's like they're stuck in the middle of different cultures and struggle with an identity that fits them. Of course not all.

STENON:
Thank you very much. We have pure water and poor water water sachet everywhere but both are very unsafe for drinking.
Thanks for the immunizations advice, I would work on it

Hehe...
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There's sachet water by trusted companies or bottled water by same. Still drink both to this day. If there is a well sited machine drilled borehole or even a private well with pump, then water needs are largely settled asides drinking.

I would not be advising long-term use of dettol in water and certainly not to use it in water for brushing moreso for a kid that'd typically swallow such.

As an adult, I've always tried to avoid using mosquito repellant creams or sprays except on certain late outings and wouldn't be keen on using them on a toddler (except very very occasionally as I'm unsure what the long-term effects might be.
As he'd be on malaria prophylaxis, the main concern is the irritation of the bites not contracting malaria. A well netted house + occasional insecticides/nets would keep off most mosquitoes. Worse still an insectinator is an option. I'd consider all these before using repellant creams.

Yes, it's important to be health conscious but the main thing to appreciate is that kids in the Southwest are not dropping dead by the second. I believe on subsequent visits, things would be easier.

koonbey:
Funniest thing I've seen so far this new year.

Owishiwishi

Anyway, to the OP on a more serious note - normal bottled water from reputable brands (e.g. Eva) should be fine, but if any one of you is immunocompromised or you want to be doubly safe, just boil water. Heat sterilises water the same way anywhere in the world, even in Nigeria

The good thing is that she's trying to connect. Somethings are best experienced. That way, one finds out Africans don't live on trees.

Hopefully, the child gets more opportunities to experience Nigeria by him/herself. That way, you he/she wouldn't ask the kind of questions I get from the grown-up kids of some diasporeans.

LagBlogger:
Remittances to Nigeria was $20 bn in 2021 less than 4% of GDP. The bulk of GDP comes from hard working Nigerians who choose to make a difference back home rather than opt for a short cut to better living.

Read my post- used Budget not GDP

The diasporan remittance for 2021 was 20b usd
The national budget for 2021 was 13.6 trillion equating to between 27b usd - 35 b usd depending on the prevailing exchange rate used at the time ( cbn or parallel)

Remittance sent home by individuals is spare money left after attending to necessities where they're based.

The GDP comparison is equally impressive when you take into cognisance that GDP is one measure of the total economic activity... i.e stocks, oil nd gas, telecommunication, businesses in different sectors e.t.c


Money can be made anywhere. Japa is not for everyone.
That one made money in Nigeria or declined migrating does not mean inaccurate information about folks elsewhere.

Facts are facts...

STENON:
Just making our bucket list for 2023
I am planning of going home with my family at some point in this year, I am from the rural part of South Western Nigeria.

My son is 2 years old and has never been to Nigeria. His Dad is white Scottish .

Please what are the safety precautions for food and water safety? Do I need to go with bottled water from here or just boil water at home for them? What are the dos and don't? Do you think it is wise to go now that he is 2 years old or I should wait a bit longer? What are the necessary immunisations to take? Please kindly help a confused mum. Thank you xx

Lol.... u want to carry bottled water from uk to Nigeria?
You Really believe there's no good water back home? Just as the media protrays...

Bottled/sachet water is rampant which is safe for drinking. Same with a deep enough borehole with maintained tanks (worse still, you can boil it)

You could make your food or eat out in places you feel have good hygiene
Safety largely depends on where you're going to and your personal circumstance.

For immunisations, worth visiting any travel centre. Did he have TB vaccine at birth? Also malaria is one to sure get prophylaxis against.

sugarkemi:
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But is the figure realistic after am done with school.?

Depends on a number of factors which include:

Course of study
Age+ social mobility
Job you're in
How your pay is structured.. private contractor e.t.c
Side hustles
Location
Kids
Investment decisions
Other mandatory expenditure... cars, rent e.t.c. This does not include mortgage repayments

Depending on the above, you could reasonably give yourself a timeframe to attain that. Immediately after masters might be a tall ask.

To put things in perspective, 3k savings after expenses is roughly equivalent to someone who has 1 - 2 million monthly in Nigeria after expenditure.

It'd be difficult to make accurate projections from Nigeria as it'd be difficult to grasp lots of things. It's best after experiencing the system yourself.
All said, many have treaded this path to greatness.

jum33:
Let me tell u the real truth,if you making 6 figures in nigeria and living comfortable and you come to uk ,your first few month you will regret your actions.

Not true.

Many folks who were earning well into 6 figures in Nigeria knew they made the right choice the day they received their first UK paycheck. This includes myself.

As a student, it's quite different. He has to see the big picture and plan towards quick career growth.

sugarkemi:
Nothing like setting a target.As u can see I said I'm making 6 digits.I just want to have idea how much we can be saving considering how much am making in Nigeria. So that i won't regret my move. Thanks

I think the issue here is that you're equating a 6 figure pay in Nigeria to jobs that'd allow you and your wife save £3000. Without knowing your exact figures, in Nigerian terms, that's like equating an entry civil service job to an oil and gas job.

On relative terms, I will largely equate a 500,000 job in Nigeria to a 1.8- 2.2k job in the UK that'd allow you save £500 - £750 per month after expenses.

£3k savings is good money. I doubt you'd hit that except your wife is into a high earning job + side income

IbeOkehie:
I'd advise anyone living in the UK or abroad to ignore these guys......

Happy New Year to you and yours. This 2023 is going to be great.

Happy new year to you. Good experience you have.

Few times I respond is mainly to correct wrong narratives so they don't linger.

Largely, there are two groups. Some from posts back have failed in their attempts to migrate hence hate. Others lack the mental know-how to compare issues across developed and developing nations. Between both are folks who could ve doing well for themselves but enjoy the sea of poverty around them. They can't stomach a better society

Sometime back one was comparing food prices and explaining how food was expensive in the west. After proper tutoring, he saw that food was at least 10x more expensive in Nigeria than in the UK.

Another is tax... I used to fear this before migrating but now, I laugh at my reasoning then. I still explain to them that paying high tax is a privilege many aim to achieve. These are countries that feed and house struggling citizens. It simply means, folks are encouraged to work so they don't depend on the government. Hence tax rate is hardly an issue. The higher, the better.

Another was when they used to mock migrating health workers. I had to explain to them how Nigerian health workers abroad were suffering and begging for food while their counterparts in Nigeria owned private jets.

Another is the current strikes fue to record high inflation of 10% in 2022 (highest in 40 yrs). Meanwhile, Nigerian workers have been battered by roughly 20% inflation for a decade.

Another is how diasporeans are suffering. But these abroad folks who constitute less than 1% of our population are able to send back remittances that equal our national budget. This is the 'change' they send back after paying tax and sorting their needs abroad...

Misconceptions go on and on. I stick to facts when responding. That way, it's not difficult to separate wheat from chaff.

All said, I'm not against those who want to stay back or those who want to migrate legally. No formula fits all.

ahiboilandgas:
una like to turn topic upside down .the topic was why are UK workers on strike for low pay from nurse to train driver and Nigeria are still japing here . Not .uk vs Nigeria

You started by mentioning how people in Kano e.t.c are making loads forgetting the poor millions.

Again relativity... I remember explaining this on the Treasury bill thread.

UK workers are striking because 'high' inflation of 10% is making them poorer. When was the last time inflation in Nigeria was 10%?

Our monthly minimum wage is less than a bag of rice. Alot of graduate civil servants after working for a month earn less than a bag of rice.

pansophist:
London doesn't even feels like London anymore, it feels like Jamaica. If your idea of the UK is through the lense of Mr Bean movie or James Bond, then you need to update.

I was in Birmingham and Luton this summer for a visit, and it feels like I was in the middle East. Middle easterner everywhere with their women covering themselves from head to toe exposing just their face. It feels like the city is majority populated by Muslims.

You'll see more foreigners in London than ethnic English people. It's like Lagos pro max. Unless you go deep into the country, London just doesn't feel like London anymore. There are shops you'll go to and the person attending to you hardly speaks good English.

If you want to japa, target places like new Zealand, Australia, even Ireland is better. And if you do not mind the cold, Nordic countries are good. Your quality of life will improve, with huge space that is badly lacking in the UK.

This point is moot and reeks of inferiority complex. A multicultural city usually means less discrimination and something to be welcomed. I expect a discussion on opportunities not the colour of people in a place.

London rightly remains attractive due to its cosmopolitan nature and being a melting point for different cultures. Reason why lots of people feel welcome there. Virtually no city in the world (asides Newyork) has the feel London gives.

People travel for better opportunities and a better life. They do not travel to see white people or count trees.

UK is still overwhelmingly white. If you want to live in a white/English neighbourhood, lots of Southern communities abound.

Uzomarrr12345:
Talk about the business you know .

Go to Idumota market, go and see the drug business… and see how businesses are booming…

Because you ran and failed in business, you think Nigeria businesses died 2013…

So people setting up businesses after 2013 are clowns bah…to even find shop today for lagos lsland na war (very hard)

Business is not for everyone, some people are destined to be flipping burgers at McDonald’s for 7 years before they can blow

Everyone destiny isn’t the same.
Japa isn’t for everyone.

The earlier generation in my family were successful traders but we've moved on to production and adding value. It's due to this knowledge that my business was able to keep running over the last 8 yrs.

If the shops at idumota were 'booming' as you put it, then our economy will be on the rise.

There are folks who've made good money over the last 8 yrs but that means nothing in a sea of poverty.
Facts are facts... Japa isn't for everyone... to each his own

ahiboilandgas:
you are expanding the area of discussion unnecessary. Changing goal post. What we are saying that there some aspect of Nigeria that is better than the UK lise wise the UK. Some say a 500 bn USD economy is dead ! Please who accumulated the 800 m USD back log of flight fees in Nigeria ! This are Nigerians .

Nigeria is a nation of 200m with an economy of 440b usd
UK is a nation if 72 million with an economy of 3.1 trillion usd

There are opportunities everywhere but if those in the UK are suffering, then I wonder how folks in Nigeria are faring.

ttoyetade:
Is English your own native language ?. Are you not an immigrant to the UK ? Your abusive language already shows the kind of person you are. You are living in the UK and you don't know a new comer to the UK cannot earn £2,000 per month after tax within 3 months of entering UK regardless of which profession. I have lived in UK for more than 20 years and I can lecture you on how the system works. I am highly successful in the system.I don't come to Social media to boast of material possession. Get more matured and know how to exchange ideas without insulting or abusing people.

£1.3k savings is 3 months is not rocket science. I know a good number of folks who's initial take-home right from Nigeria was above £3k. With living expenses of less than £1k, saving that sum a month is well tenable.

ahiboilandgas:
You stay endless in the cold in america doing per hour job and watching CNN and social media telling you at Nigeria has collapse no hope ! So who is emirate carrying from Nigeria with 21 slot weekly .How did 63000 Nigeria raised million of pounds to school in the UK , who is importing 2 bn USD tokunbo car from America, wealth 1bn usd drug 1.5 bn USD phone 600 m USD. No be same Nigerian economy that japarian say it dead ! The lekki deep sea port! If Najia is dead why will south Korea invest 2 bn USD in lekki deep sea port?

Nigeria is not dead. Little understanding of macroeconomics is the reason why the west has far outpaced Africa.

All the things you mentioned is nothing to be proud about.
Your arguments are like a cocoa farmer bragging about his riches where chocolate producers are. Same thing with Nigeria and oil. There are non-oil producers that make more from the oil business than Nigeria.

We are a country of over 200 million. On travelling thru Abuja, I noted there were 11 international flights for the whole day. One terminal in Heathrow alone will see that traffic in an hour. This is not considering the other heathrow terminals or airports in London. Uk has a population of 71 million. Your 21 weekly flights is nothing to brag about.

Regarding Kano you mention, I lived there. I was shocked at the relative lack of middle class. There are few stupendously rich folks (who typically send their kids abroad) and millions of very poor folks with no hope. There are more out of school kids in Kano than the whole of Europe and NA combined. When in Kano, my 'alarm' was sadly the back-to-back songs groups of these kids keep singing from early hours of the morning.

Uzomarrr12345:
I’m not saying Nigeria is better … but truth be told , there are more things you can EASILY start up here in Nigeria if the capital is there .

Secondly, Many business owners in Nigeria always fail to expand … for example, if you have a business here that fetches you 300/350k (after expenses) … after a year or two of savings , what stops you from recreating another one or expanding to make it 600/700k

But an average small business owner here will rather be comfortable with ONE shop for 10years… rather than trying to expand and broaden the income .

Take a step back and look at the big things.

Over the last 8 years, businesses in Nigeria have struggled. I know that as I ran a business. Simple reason? The economy has been on a decline/stagnant.

The best time for business owners was 2000- 2013. That was simply because the Nigerian economy was growing.

The growth of the economy is the primary driver of business growth

Uzomarrr12345:
But seriously, there is money in Nigeria…

Even a road side vulcanizer in a good location in lagos can make up to 250k per month…

Plus , to be honest , Nigeria is the only country where you can have a business that fetches let’s say 1 million naira every month and still not even pay tax of 5k.

This is just my own thinking sha , only People in healthcare or tech or doing street are really doing big things in Europe.

Na so my guy leave him bakery business for Nigeria ,go Poland Dey earn mere 1,200 zlotyy (122k in naira) per month (after rent and other bills) , not even euros

Is this something to be proud of?

As someone who pays tax of 40% on a good sum of my take home, I can tell you that the only people looking to migrate in Nigeria who should be worried about 'high tax in the west' are our thieving politicians. The average Nigerian is better of paying higher tax if that means improvement in HDI

Lekan239:
the death rate in those developed country is higher than the death rate in Nigeria. People also die every seconds there

What's the life expectancy in the UK?
What's the life expectancy in Nigeria?

You are beginning to sound like a joke

Lekan239:
some tech guys earn that much. Even some content creators. A guy who makes is cash through YouTube once posted is pay check here on nairaland, it was on front page, you could search it and confirm yourself

Its not about comparing the pounds to naira while you stay abroad, People who earn below £40,000 annually in the UK are considered poor there..

Earn £40,000 annually in Nigeria and you are a king here. So I could earn far less than what a £40,000 UK earner earn and still live far more comfortably.

Most migrant in UK who earn £40,000 and below, the least rent monthly(poor man house) in low income area in the UK for one bedroom is about £1000 plus energy bill. Leaving you with £28,000. You will be taxed about £10,000 for earning £40,000. Leaving you with £18,000.

To you that £18,000 runs into million in Nigeria, but it can't even pay the grocery and utility bills down where you stay.

Dude... stop manufacturing stories.

You have never lived in the UK

ttoyetade:
Which job are you doing in the UK that has brought you this much. its like you have save more than £3000 in 3 months. This can mislead new comers thinking they can make this kind of money within 3 months of arrival

What she said is not unheard of. 1.2m is roughly £1.3k. Many jobs will let a single person save much more than that a month (after expenses)

Nairaland and abroad matter....
Is this how high the japa fever is?