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chukwudi44:
Jesoul why don't u explain how one can bcome a xtian witout being baptised. mind u d thief u kip quoting died under d jewish era. Xtianity started on easter sunday

OLAADEGBU:
A true Christian is one who has been born again because of his faith in the Gospel truth which can only be found in the Bible[b] and by the workings of the Holy Spirit[/b].

Salvation does not come through water baptism but by grace through faith in the atoning blood of Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:7; 2:8,9; 1 John 1:7,9; Heb.9:22).  The Scripture records a catalogue of those who got saved by Jesus Christ without water baptism being a pre-requisite: Jesus healed the one sick of palsy in Matt.9:1-7; the woman who washed the feet of Jesus with her tears and cleaned them with her hair in Luke 7:36-50, Zacchaeus, the thief on the cross and the Ethiopian Eunuch, Even Paul was being addressed as a 'brother' (Bro. Saul) by Ananias and this was before he got baptised (Acts 9:17).

sonya4all:
U need to be baptised as a sign 2 the world that u are now a child of God,baptism is like the weding ring of couples signifying that they are no more single,so is baptism,u do its as an act of obedience and faith and not compulsory for one 2 be in heaven.

@jesoul,u r an ambassador for christ,are u an independent baptist? Or whats the name of your church?

lol, J-babe take am easy ,this is where you seem to be getting it all wrong. paradise and Heaven are two different places.

paradise is word with persian origin meaning the Garden of Eden where the tree of life resided, inotherwords it was a realm of perfection on earth. whilst Heaven is where God and his authority dwells.

The thief did not go to heaven, but rather the REALM OF PERFECTION ON EARTH. I dont want to show scriptures yet until you check the meanings better, cheers!

WATER BAPTISM IS A PREREQUISITE FOR THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN . quote me.

InesQor:
I don tire

noetic16:
how did he/she become a CHRISTIAN in the first place without being baptised?. . . . .or are we confused as to the definition of a christian?

noetic16:
1. Salvation should not be misunderstood . . . . . . .salvation is depicted as repentance, but John also called for repentance, was John's call for repentance also a call to salvation. . .NO. Salvation is NOT just a call to repentance. . .salvation is the total surrender of ones life and will to God through Christ Jesus. So when Jesus says believe and be baptised . . . . . . .He simply gave u the first order as a soldier of God's army. baptism does not take anyone to heaven, but it is a spiritual symbolism of ones new patron . . .God.

2. u quoted Acts 2:38 in isolation. perhaps u should ask, what did peter do to those who believed in the gospel he preached. . . . .the answer is in verse 41. . . . .they were all BAPTISED immediately. why would he choose to baptise them since they have already believed the gospel?

1. Jesoul, to believe that a jewish carpenter died for your sins and is God. . .requires lots of guts and FAITH. the evidence of that faith is baptism. faith is involved when an issue goes beyond the scope of rationality.

2. True the scripture says that believing in our heart and confessing with our mouth we are saved. but the first creed of our salvation is baptism. is there any example of anyone in the scriptures who got saved without baptism?

2. Paul says it is faith. it takes faith to believe that there is a spiritual significance in putting water over a person and calling it baptism. it also takes faith to believe that a death on the cross wipes away sin. Paul's notion of faith does NOT contradict baptism, . . .baptism is an ACT of FAITH.

Nezan:
Without faithbaptism, it is impossible to please God!

chukwudi44:
Where is your faith if u refuse 2 obey a simple biblical injunction?

nuclearboy:
MOD is not good enough. Transfer NL ownership to Jesoul

@Jesoul:
when it happens and you're in your kingdom, remember I asked first

MyJoe:
I do not think it was anything to with "debative bullets", as he seemed to revel in that sort of thing and never showed signs of being under pressure in any debate. Both he and viaro seemed to have the ability to eat numbers for breakfast, lunch, dinner, and snacks, although their approaches to debating were very much different, particularly in the last weeks preceding his departure. He had been going on about "chasing money" for some time. When you make the number of posts Deep Sight made in a day it doubtless affects your productivity. He almost certainly left to have more time for his secular pursuits.

JeSoul:
Chris you're a darl. Thanks

oyb:
jesoul congrats - going by this thread - your work is already cut out for you

noetic16:
so what did Jesus mean by born of water?. . . . . . your assertions are FALSE.

1. it is a Christian requirement to get baptised by water. what u are preaching is a STRANGE gospel.

2. The thief on the cross had no chance of receiving baptism. . . .all he did was to ask for mercy which he received.

3. why should anyone call himself a christian if he/she cannot obey the simple instruction of Christ to get baptised?. . . why bother with the whole of christianity if u cannot get baptised?

honeric01:
How? which one bi ojoro again? don't you have a bible there?

chukwudi44:
While d is no biblical proof d thief was never baptised.

Even d dead stil had 2 b baptised as in 1 cor15:29

chukwudi44:
In acts 19 :1-6 st paul still had 2 rebaptise some christians even though de already had d baptism of John ,why on earth was dat necessary ?

honeric01:
Read John 3 vs 1-6 or 10.

chukwudi44:
Jesoul how come cornelius n his househould were baptised even after having received d holy spirit

honeric01:
1: Because i believe Jesus saw his heart, knew how determined and ready to accept Christ at that particular time.

2: Because Jesus knew there was no way he could have been allowed off the cross to have himself baptized before being crucified.

@topic, Going to hell? uhm, that i can't say, but not seeing the kingdom of God is certained said by Jesus himself.

chukwudi44:
Water baptism is not merely symbolic,it is also salvific.why on earth did u think JESUS Was baptised? Althougt beign witout original sin never needed baptism yet got baptised 2 show us d way .matt 3:15 Jesus said "IN THIS WAY WE SHALL DO ALL THAT GOD REQUIRES" .Why on earth do u think people were baptised on behalf of d dead

JeSoul:
What water baptism did the thief on the cross next to Jesus go through? yet Jesus promised him he would be with Him together in paradise that day.

InesQor:
@JeSoul: Congrats!   Now there's a moderator that knows almost everything about me. Kai. Very unsafe. . .   Love ya, sis  

davidylan:
congrats Jesoul! That means my posts will be free from ban eh?

Public Plan Choice defined
Promoting choice among health insurance plans to reform a dysfunctional health insurance market is an idea that has been around for decades. The Heritage Foundation has long advocated health reform modeled on the choices in the Federal Employees Health Benefit Program, which provides health insurance to federal employees. Stanford University public policy professor Alain Enthoven has been advocating a similar, though structured, health purchasing arrangement for almost as long through “managed competition.”

The concept gained new life and bipartisan support in Massachusetts in 2006 when that state introduced health reform in an effort to cover all those under the age of 64 (when Medicare coverage kicks in). The Massachusetts plan relies on a so-called “connector” that connects consumers to a choice of health plans to help create a more rationale marketplace for the purchase of health insurance.

Then, in the 2008 presidential contest, competing health reform plans among the Democratic candidates, beginning with former North Carolina Senator John Edwards, were thoroughly debated. These plans—building on work done by academics such as University of California professors Jacob Hacker and Helen Halpin (who worked separately) and at the Urban Institute—proposed to add a public health plan option as a competitor in a new health insurance exchange. This idea has been part of President Barack Obama’s ideas to improve health care coverage in our country, revive our economy, rein in health care costs, and boost innovation.

Key to the Massachusetts reform and President Obama’s health reform proposal is the establishment of a connector (Massachusetts) or exchange (Obama’s campaign plan) that offers a range of health plans side-by-side and that meets standards about who they must serve, what services they must cover, and how much they can charge. Put simply, the rules will specify the benefits that insurers must offer and require insurers to accept everyone who applies at a similar premium, regardless of an applicant’s health status.

JeSoul:
The Mass "Public Option" is not really a public option in the literal sense and I don't think many people know this. There is no "government plan" that people can choose to buy from. What we have is the MA Health Connector which is pretty much a collection of private market-based insurance companies/plans that give people different options.  (I think I'll open a new thread as many people are not aware of this).

manny4life:
Massachusetts have the public option, but the FG package doesn't have the public option, last time I heard about it, it was scrapped out. If you refuse insurance because of faith or belief, then you should not be entitled to the benefits as well. As for the legal challenge, I don't think that would stand. The anger of AG's is that FG overstepped its authority because the U.S. Constitution. This are excerpts

Obama challenged them on Thursday for them to repeal it, trust me this is gonna be a real showdown. However, I still "in part" support the plan and oppose some of it as well, but let's all keep an open mind.