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[quote author=tpia. link=topic=399439.msg5535516#msg5535516 date=1266465580]its actually relatively easy like he pointed out. At least compared to other ways of getting legal stay, save for the lottery thingy.[/quote]Yeah Justwise, I think Tpia captured it right, it is "relatively" easy when compared to other countries. But by no means does it mean its as easy as our brother was implying.

People are arrested for "marriage fraud" all the time, it seems almost yearly a story comes out of naija central in Houston. It is far from a cakewalk, stamp guarantee. People should not be misled that it is.

spikedcylinder:
What is your ignorant behind doing in TV/Movies? If you live your life stuck up without any form of entertainment because Nigeria has problems and you love her so, please, by all means, go and hug a Nepa Pole.
Thank you.

ROTFLOL funniest thing I've read all year LOL  Spiked! Lol

Watched Hurt Locker - I guess I kinda understand the oscar nom, but I rate that movie no higher than 70% - and that is generous.

Also saw Precious with the intention of thrashing why it got an oscar nomination but . . . that movie is disturbing. It disturbed me to the same degree "City of God" disturbed me. Monique 100% deserves to have been nominated, she was simply she definitely elevated her game in Precious.

The Blind Side was an incredibly moving flick, all the more so because it is a true story. That I think gives it a leg up on the other movies.

This prosperity gospel virus has spread and taken root deep in the souls of some of the past few posters.

What can one say in addition to all that's already been said in the OP? A word is enough for the wise.

In the end few will heed, and many will not.

ilosiwaju:
The christian point of view on pre-marital se.x is fundamentally flawed on this one. Psalm 51, david asks for forgiveness for being conceived in a sinful way. That's by the way sha, the rather obtuse paul is actually an apostle who is a classic example of what women right activists dont need in this present day. In one of his emails to s[i]omewhere[/i]tians, he clearly stated that marriage causes men not to serve GOD well enough that blessed is the man who gives his daughter's hand in marriage but more blessed is the one who does not. you wont hear those scriptures during weddings am sure!
He goes further on his perversive trip by implying / recommending that men should only get married if they cant hold on their sexu.al urge. In other words, women are property(which is not new in the jewish world) and are to be taken to the altar only because of agro .

St. Paul totally lost it there, he should not get a scrap of praise from anyone of the feminine folk who knows what self-worth means. WHAT? Women only as se.x objects? That's a sweet example of condescending. I am however willing to hear some defense for him from Nlanders here(Barrister Deepsight, offering pro-bono services? ) and some enlightenment of course.

Your opinion of Paul and you're most certainly entitled to it. The heaviest of emphasis on "your".

Here is my ask (jesoul, other ladies and everyone here), for those emphasizing on marriage before bang, would you as the lady(even if you were told) go into marriage because your boyfriend is se.x-starved with a piece of laminated paper as evidence of the legitimacy of the union? yeah, i thought so too. The jews are a set of chauvinists and it only amazes me why we still swallow all they spit hook, line and sinker!

No sensible person, christian or otherwise, gets married simply because they want to get down.

By a show of hands posts, how many(of the proponents) here really adhere to the no-se.x-before-marriage thingy? You're free to lie though. Only asking.

Serves no purpose for anyone to answer this mischievious question. Good for you and Deepsight that you don't practice abstinence, but why does it bother you others do? leave us to our swallowing of "jewish jumbo" in peace. We're very satisfied and content with our chosen lifestlye.

Photoshop anyone?

oyewolejos:
UK sucks. From 20 hours to 10 hours and u have to travel to Nigeria to get married as so they can deny the visa right?They must be kidding. Long Live USA.No wonder there are loads of Nigerians coming from UK to US because of the strict system.Yankee is Land of the free.If you are illegal and u are not into crime then u can live here as long as u like because major cities here are santuary cities which is illegal for police to ask for your immigration status unlike in UK where i learnt UKBA come and pick u at home for deportation.Here u don't have to return to Naija to get married.After the marriage when u file in your petition they give u Work permit to work pending the time they approve your papers.They would call u for interview after some months and if successful they give u the conditional green card which after 2 years u are still married they would give u 10 years Permanent greencard and a year after that u can file for citizenship.So the marriage would only last for 2 years.
If your friend has the means she can come to America and get her papers.She would only transfer her credits to a college here.It is easier for girls to get papers than for a guy.Also, she can easily get a visa from UK than from Naija.If she want to go to Naija for the marriage she's on a Long Thing cos they would definitely refuse her and she won't be able to return.
Why must Nigerians continue to waste their time in UK especially the illegals.Come yankee and see things for youyrself.

justwise:
@oyewolejos

I don't know much about America system but i'm sure somebody here is going to challenge you in some of the claims u made here about America and how easy its for illegals there.

Lol, reporting for duty Justwise!

oyewolejos:
If you are illegal and u are not into crime then u can live here as long as u like because major cities here are santuary cities which is illegal for police to ask for your immigration status unlike in UK where i learnt UKBA come and pick u at home for deportation.

It is true many major cities have adopted the "sanctuary city" policy in which city employees are instructed NOT to report to the authorities if a person is illegal. This way illegal aliens get to enjoy city services that citizens and permanent residents have. Exhibit A: California I think has the largest amount of sanctuary cities - one of the reasons they are now bankrupt carrying the weight of illegal aliens who don't pay taxes or contribute to the system but simply take. Another issue anyways . . .

Here u don't have to return to Naija to get married.After the marriage when u file in your petition they give u Work permit to work pending the time they approve your papers.They would call u for interview after some months and if successful they give u the conditional green card which after 2 years u are still married they would give u 10 years Permanent greencard and a year after that u can file for citizenship.So the marriage would only last for 2 years.

Slow down . . . lol. 1st, if you entered the country illegally in the first place, then all the above goes out the window. You'll have to leave and apply from outside (this is part of what the whole "Amnesty for illegals" was about). Also if you're already in "Removal Proceedings" (aka deportation proceedings) your case goes before a jugde not just an immigration official - BIG difference. You'll have to hire a lawyer and the whole shebang. Secondly, it is definitely NOT automatic you get a work permit. What most people do is work with someone else's papers while waiting for their own to go through. I personally haven't seen or known anyone who got a work permit while waiting for their green card esp if they already had expired visas. Of course they can always work under-the-table as many do. Thirdly, the interview process is not a cakewalk as many people think. Immigration officials are getting wiser by the day, and are getting more proficient in being able to pick out pretenders from genuinely married people. This is my experience from Massachusetts though, I dunno how different/similar/easier/harder it is in other states.

If your friend has the means she can come to America and get her papers.

You make it sound like its so easy! lol If I count for you how many people I've seen suffering for years without any luck. One I know of has been here 17yrs! he has tried a few times yet one thing or the other pops up.

She would only transfer her credits to a college here. It is easier for girls to get papers than for a guy. Also, she can easily get a visa from UK than from Naija.If she want to go to Naija for the marriage she's on a Long Thing cos they would definitely refuse her and she won't be able to return.
Why must Nigerians continue to waste their time in UK especially the illegals.Come yankee and see things for youyrself.

You forgot to mention how much it costs for these "marriages". Easily $10,000 in few cases I've heard of. Not to mention the regular pay-ups in order to keep them in the "marriage" and show up for immigration interviews.

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My advice? Manmuswack, as much as you care for your friend, don't do it. Encourage her to seek other alternatives as this will leave a huge impact on you during and long after its done. Help her out in any other way you can but not like this.

bawomolo:
so you do agree some religious people do try to influence of others?

Oga, I have said so since my first post on this thread now?    those who strap bombs, those who murder abortion doctors etc do so under some misguided twisted dedication to their "religion".

but what if i was born and raised in zamfara, must i live?   isn't that basically segregation.

If you find yourself in a society intolerant or unwelcoming of your lifestyle, you should most definitely seek for greener pastures. It isn't "segregation". The people of Zam have decided how they want to live, anyone in the minority and disagrees can relocate - this happens everywhere all the time. Sanfranciso anyone?

there is no beef but you shouldn't be surprised when your claims are met with counter-claims.

Hey, free world you said right? lol. As long as the soul is not under a self-induced spell they are "noble" or "justified" in their attacking of others beliefs simply because they don't agree with them.

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g1:
okay if you say so!! we will live to see if you are right that i have god in me!!!! but like i said before i dont think so

We will. Till then, never say never 

^^lol. See! I knew you had it in you all along . . .  

g1:
LMAO just a theory? where have i heard that before? it definately has more evidence supporting it than the idea that a cosmic space daddy magically puffed us into being

Cosmic space daddy or not, as long as you realize you and I are both accepting an explanation based on faith. Whether or not yours has more "plausibility" is of little import. You cannot prove something you've accepted - that is faith my G, faith 

mazaje:
This is FALSE, do believers think that their beliefs affect no one but them? The answer is NO. . . .Believers do not behave or even agree that their beliefs affect them alone, they are CONSTANTLY trying to spread their myths around and push it down the faces of others. . . .Believers are ALWAYS castigating somebody while pushing or promoting their various myths. . . . .

I have already conceded since my first post here I think that yes some religionists do affect others many times so . . . have I ever tried to shove anything down your throat?

This is a false statement because Christianity does not only teach people that mary was a virgin, it teaches people to spread that message and teaches them to demonize those that do not accepty the narrative and those that accept, the Christian narrative do what the religion teaches them, Their religion teches them to condemn those that do not believe in it and tell them that they are immoral saveges just because of their unbelief . . . .I think this ties into one of the reasons they're so quick to assume atheists are all immoral savages the religion teaches them that they are degenerate animals when these is been told over and over and over and over again throughout their lives that those that do not subcribe to their belief systems are walking embodiments of lust, violence, jealousy, anger, sin, etc believers spend their lives living under the weight of that twisted and ridiculous accusation and that always results in the anger they display towards those of us that tell them that we do not accept their stories. . . . .If only those that believe will keep their beliefs to themselves them I believe we will all be happy. . . .


The problem with religious dogma is that it every religious dogma puts itself above all other beliefs and claims it is the ultimate true knowledge when it does not even know what it is talking about. . . . .Do religious people go around behaving as if their dogma supercedes everything? YES. . . . .Do they keep their various beliefs to themselves? NO. . . .

At first blush I was going to respond fully, then I remembered that it wouldn't make much a difference considering it is my very cool dude Mazaje on the other side. My brotha, issall good, your points have been taken with sincerity, really.

g1:
oh please the same old argument from irreducible complexity!!!
lets say i am about to roll about 25 dice, what are the odds of me getting sixes on about 80% of them? you would say highly unlikely, but that does not mean it cant happen
and if it happens the fact that it will be highly improbably for it to happen again does not deny the fact that it did happen.
in our volatile and ever expanding universe it just so happens that earth happened to end up in the position it is today after the big bang. The earth's position, size and components just happened to be conducive for it to allow life to blossom. and the other planets unfortunately happened to have ended up in the wrong position, (as far as they are concerned they ended up in a good position)
and what perfect design are you talking about? birth defects, conjoined twins, volcanoes, earthquakes, hurricanes, fragile survival machines(human bodies) that are nothing more than gene transporting mediums etc!!! you call these perfect design? if anything this proves a very bad designer (god) not one who seems to know what he is doing

you are always welcome sis

lol . . . men I don't want to do "creation vs. evolution" but G1, you do realize the "Big bang" is still just a theory? and you accepting it as truth places you firmly in the category as those operating by "faith"?

Mazaje I am coming

bawomolo:
you and I know this isn't true.   The southern bible belt is one of the harshest states when it comes to gay right for a reason.  the Vatican has placed pressure on latin american countries on the issue of gay rights.   Christian views do affect for those who do not believe in separation of church and state.

The people of a state have a right to determine what kind of society they want to live in - that is what democracy is all about. They can move up here to massachusetts, we're very accomodating. As for the Vatican, ask me not, I bother myself little with their activities.
   

I agree but isn't this kind of a support of sharia law.  Hey if you don't like sharia then don't come to zamfara or katsina right?   I hope you are beginning to see how dogma's can lead to hostile behavior (take it or leave it)?

And that's fine with me. Why would anyone willing go to an area full of misguided religious zealots that want to harm you?  That's why I have previously recognized that religionists overstep their boundaries atimes leading to violent behavior that has no place in a civilized society.

what perfect coincidences? have you heard of something called chaos theory?
such concepts do not seem like perfect coincidences.  man hasn't even roamed a significant portion of the universe to claim its perfect.   Teutonic plates shifting, stars dying, planetary bodies colliding aren't signs of "perfect" coincidences.  One can argue the universe is constantly realigning itself (usually violently as seen in haiti).   doesn't seem like perfection to me.

Well, lets not go down this often charted path. This arguement didn't begin today and will not end today.

because the universe is chaotic and boundless? there is nothing like a steady state model for the universe.   That doesn't mean we should argue some bearded white dude in the sky did it.  This is where my issue with absolutist views come from.    You begin to make absolutist claims on assumptions (eg - the universe is perfect?) and this should rightfully be criticized.

But my "absolutist claims" are of no consequence to anyone but myself! what damage does my belief "God did it" have on anyone else? eh? again where is the beef?

bawomolo:
You have a right to make that claim but i also have a right to challenge that claim.free world isn't it?

Free world it certainly is.

 But to make the claim your challenge is justified or stems from honest or noble motives falls flat. I repeat a quote I made earlier

JeSoul:
What I question are the incessant, relentless attacks on religion from bored antagonists borne soley out of spite and a false sense of superiority, for the sole purpose of mocking and ridiculing beliefs they personally consider outlandish, directed at a harmless set of people who are minding their own business and contributing to their societies. In which case, I say leave them with their holy books. Live and let live.

such absolutism has led to witch being burnt at the stake etc so yeah absolutism can indeed lead to negative consequences then it becomes everyone's business.  Christian views on issues such as homosexuality and abortion are indeed our business.  that would be moot if you are a believer in separation of church and state of couse.

And I have consistently said this:

JeSoul:
Bawo, "absolutism" in my belief system as long as it doesn't negatively affect anyone else other than me is my own business!

Christian views on homosex and abortion do not affect anyone else but christians. It is not by force to be a christian. Anyone who doesn't like what the bible says is free to choose another faith. You cannot force a faith to bend to your own predilections and then claim persecution. Go somewhere else if you don't like it.

bawomolo:
you do realize this isn't a proof right?

Because the statistics simply cannot handle it. Do you realize how incredibly complex and delicate the earth and universe is? All the perfect coincidences that would've had to occur - in the right sequence - in the right amounts - at the right times - and to the right degrees - for the earth to have been created? and then repeat that sequence mutiplied for nature and animals, then repeat that sequence for man to have appeared and evolved to the complex creature he is now?

  What model can any mathematician build to accomodate efficiently all those variables? none.

g1:
well if you cant, i definately can see it happening, i think sometimes reality is just too unbelievable at times for some to accept

You familiar with Occam's razor? states that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one?

That no statistical model makes every the slightest of room for the massive coincidence that is the earth and the universe - points to the simplest explanation, that it is not a coincidence.

What say ye?

its alwaya nice having a decent conversation with you without us insulting and blasting each other, wish all theists were like you. You come across as a very humble person

No problem and thank you too for being kind enough to indulge my interrogation

bawomolo:
You are going to hell if you don't accept jesus christ as your lord and savior?

does Christianity accept other religions as paths to salvation? if not, that's a form of absolutism and should be challenged.

davidylan:
I'm trying hard to understand how the above is your problem? Is the issue that you truly dont believe in God or you're all just disturbed about the fact that many of you are NOT sure if the above is true or not?

See, it is the christian's belief (based on the bible and the words of Christ) that the unbeliever is damned for eternity in hell . . . why are you interested in challenging that? Do not i have a right to my individual belief in what the bible has to say? why is that an issue with you? Are you forced to read the bible?

Why are you interested in forcing christianity to accept other paths to salvation? Can you not also live and let live?

Gbam left, right and center.

That is the very point I have been challenging the poster with since my first post here. Why does what I believe have to be challenged when it doesn't affect anyone else?


Bawo, "absolutism" in my beliefr system as long as it doesn't negatively affect anyone else other than me is my own business!

g1:
i know we humans are compelled to think that the universe was designed with us in mind but i do have a good knowledge of cosmology and astronomy and believe you me i dont think it was designed with us in mind, in the words of carl sagan "we live in a pale blue dot in space" it just so happens that a tiny point of this vast universe generated the right conditions to allow life as we know it today to evolve and blossom. outside of this pale blue dot we live in is total chaos in this vast universe that we will never be able to know its size. massive gigatic balls of gas (stars) are constantly exploding, fragments of massive rocks are constantly smashing into each other etc.!!!i guess its another case of two of us looking at the same thing and reaching different conclusions.!!!

well, I for the life of me cannot see how all of this can simply be dismissed as a perfect coincidence of massive, incredible proportions that even every statistical measurement we have now could not make room for the possibility of.

well i dont deny the good things that religion does such as charity but i dont think it is exclusive to religion, i did a lot of charity when i was a muslim and i still do!!! i dont have to believe there is a god giving me heaven points in order for me to give charity rather i do it because i feel the pain of my fellow human being and thus make an effort to relieve him/her of that pain
as for the evil that results from god's free will i just cant see why that much suffering and pain is needed in order for him to prove a point!!

But what point do you think He's trying to prove? He gave us freewill and we went forth and used it for good and evil . . . where's the beef?

i am not angry at god/religion, like i said my worldview just happened to be the way it is!!!any atheist out there will tell you that they didnt chose not to believe, its a gradual process before you finally get to a state of non beleif. and as for me i find peace, happiness and humilty in my personal state of non belief!

i know how you feel sis, when i used to be a believer i used to feel pity and sad for atheists too!! and i used to pray for them!! i used to ask myself how come they cant feel the beauty of belief in god
when a friend of mine found out i was an atheist she was almost in tears telling me that she will pray for me and that i should please give god a chance because she cant live with the thought of me in hell, in order not for me to cause her more emotional pain i had to later lie that i have gone back to believing in god.

Like i said for me i have reached a point of no return. i just cant see myself believing again. I am comfortable with my position as a non believer and I am ready for the consequences if there are any!!!

Well, I have no response to this other than . No one has ever reached a point where it was impossible to return to faith.

Oh my bad, I was replying you, just quoted the wrong post.

I was responding to #102 and #103 - your query about "papers" and "official marriage" etc . . . clarifies?

Deep Sight:
Brilliant again.

Where is Krayola? Jesoul?

Perhaps if you instinctively reject anything said by Deep Sight maybe Jagunlabi & M_Nwankwo's deeper sights above can get the point across to you.

And no, I didn't evade anything at all dear, but rather deferred to Krayola's impending response since you've been dueling with him. I have simply told you you believe A, christians believe Z and will live their lives according to Z, and nothing you say is going to change that.

chic2pimp:
Nah he has retired for good this time around

You wan bet?

Did you see the Brett Favre SB advert? That sh.it was soo funny

I think so . . . the one where he was trying to buy a tv or something?

True Dat. He is still better than about 95% of the league's QBs.

Well maybe not 95% but he's def better than the likes of the trash in Washington and Oakland.

Lol @ Brittney Favre   

rikkyjen:
@Bawo and JeSoul. . .

I never see this kain thing before, i mean this kain "pull me down syndrome" Y'all are exhibiting on this Weblog 

I mean both of Y'alls team didn't do Jacksquat, diddly-squat, nada and were Sheb@ng-less during the season. Couldn't get into the main playoffs and Y'all have the effontry to goad, taunt and do your macabre dances on Rikky. Too bad, Y'all dont know Rikky packs heat and is not bothered by 'em yeyeness you two exude

I can still understand the Patsies are going thru a rough patch, BUT Chicago my nextdoor neighbour is SHYYTE. I mean Bawo suppose go hang him head inside Lovie Smith yansh. Bellichick i love to hate BUT Lovie Smith i LOVE because as long his still Chi's coach, Chicago would never be as good as Indianapolis, in that i take my solace!

Chicago, Buncha Perrenial  losers. . .

BTW, Peyton Manning is still:
The Co-President of the USA, Co-Ayatollah with Khameini, OWNER of the entire NFL(delegates power to the Commissioner, Goodell), Y'all dont wonder why Goodell is a commissioner and not the President of the League? Words on the street has it that Goodel is Mannings errand boy!



Peyton Manning, an Indianapolis Colts player and Lord Denim of the NFL!!!!

So is the above your official retraction of this earlier declaration:

rikkyjen:
Couldn't sleep.

Couldn't drink nor eat.

Called in.

Tossed on the bed all night.

Cursed Manning all night

And finally renounced my Kool aid drinking myopia about Manning.

The calmness Brady oozes when under pressure should be a template for future QBers coming in the next 100 years if Jesus tarries.

You wanna win the Colts? just rattle Manning with some very few minutes left, not 8/9 mins cos thats a lotta time for Manning!. But 4/5 minutes a la yesterday and watch Peyton choke while sucking @zz in the same process.

[size=16pt]Peyton Manning , Official NFL Choker. All trademarks and copyrights reserved![/size]

chic2pimp:
Why nah?
You berra do the deed sharp sharp jor and lemme see those young un's

You first

I don't think who they give up matters.
Sure, Hickson's energy has contributed greatly to the run the cavs are on however the dude can easily be replaced.

Oh but it does. Players like him and Leon Powe seem dispensible, but honestly you cannot replace energy and hunger. You need that extra kick. We'll see what happens sha . . .

Lol @ Kevin Garnett's Grand pa knees .
You say for the sake of the eastern conference, I say for the sake of the league, the trade can't happen.

Tell that to H2, lol He seems to think the Lakers are immune.

bawomolo:
what's your definition of sinful? is living in excess considered a "sin"?
you lost me there

I believe Krayola was simply stating the christian perspective.

revolving door relationships exist in marriage too, its called polygamy where you get tired of one wife and get a new wife .

lol yeah, those are unfortunate too. If God had intended polygamy, he woulda given Adam not just eve but also evelyn, helen, shaniqua and maria. Because of our fallen state and cultures polygamy took off.

I do agree the concept of testing sexual compatibility is bullcrap. You don't need the actual act of intimacy itself to know if you vibe with someone.

Tell that to Deepsight.

bawomolo:
religious dogma in the form of absolutism should definitely be criticized. If you believe your dogma is the truth and the only truth, why not be put to test?

Can you give a few examples of this "absolutism" in current society?

g1:
well i hope i can summarize this and still get my point across,
i see no reason to believe in the supernatural, the universe i see around me behaves in exactly the same way i expect it to behave if there were no supernatural divine elements guiding it.

Thanks, your point is definitely across now . Forget the supernatural for now. Do you have any theories as to how the universe, as incredibly complex and fragile as it is, and the earth perfect in circumstance from gravity, to the balance at just the right angle and composed of just the right among of just the right gases etc came about?
 

Let me give a couple of examples:
prayer for example, if one prays and get his prayer answered then "god has answered his prayer" and if he does not get his wish then "god is testing him or the devil is preventing him to get his wish etc". there is no difference of results between people that pray and those who dont

This I think is a very legitimate point. And I blame christians who rationalize every event to somehow blame the devil and "credit" God as if He needed their help.

 I look at it this way, why certain things happen or don't happen, I don't know and honestly don't care to know. I place my life in God's hands - good and bad can come from Him - I mean look no further than the scriptures to see this. But in all things, as the scriptures teach, He does everything to bring honor to His name and bring about good in my life - my life which will extend far beyond after I have passed away - this is real hope the bible teaches about. Not out momentary sojourn here on earth.

look at the problem of suffering and evil also, right now as we speak there is a child dying of hunger somewhere or a girl being molested and a so called god is watching and letting it happen due to his so called divine free will and divine plan. i look at things like this and i see a sadistic being.
if your house was burning and your child was inside and a firefighter arrived but refused to save your daughter despite him having the power and opportunity to do so, and after you asked why he didnt help he tells you that its his will and there is a greater plan that you cannot understand!!! what will you think of such a person?

The age old problem of evil.

 See it this way, if God's intention was to create a perfect world, then there would be no such thing as freewill. The same freewill that affords you the opportunity to think and reason and even question His existence. God isn't thanked when good results from our freewill (love, charity, sacrifice etc) but He is blamed when evil results from it?

like you said in one of your posts on a different thread that people can look at the same thing and reach different conclusions, while you look at the world around you and see gods hand in everything, myself on the other hand see no reason to believe there is a god pulling the strings.

Yeah we all see things very differently indeed. And even in our differences, I believe there's still a common thread that runs through us all - and that is the inherent knowledge or "feeling" if you will, of a God. I think once people get older and more frustrated at the world, they channel that anger into dismissing the possibility of God, rationalizing He cannot exist if all this evil does.

Perhaps we have a flawed perception and expectation of how a "God" is supposed to be and act?

finally i cant tell anyone if there is a god or not but even if he does exist, he does not impress me and i do not want anything to do with him, and if that means eternal damnation after i die then i will rightly take my place amongst the other godless ones

I cannot tell you how much this saddens me to hear, and I only hope and pray you will have a change of heart.

g1:
hey jesoul good to hear from you again,

you may sense I'm trying to elicit your story bit by bit lol . . . but thank you for indulging me so far.

firstly i wont agree with your use of the word belief!!! if atheism is a belief then not collecting stamps is a hobby.

Oh but it is. I know there're different "brands" and "levels" of atheism, and not all atheists reason alike. But it shifts from being passive, it is no longer simply a "lack of belief", when it actively and resolutely declares that "God does not exist" . . . you cannot prove God does not exist no more than I can prove he does.
  But lets not get hung up on that. The debate of "is atheism a belief" has been raging for a long long time and will contiue to.

secondly, on your question about whether i hate religion, my answer is NO, i dont have a problem with religion as long as religion does not try to enforce its beliefs and morals on me, like i have mentioned before my family is composed of christiens and muslims whom i love dearly.

I wasn't really asking if you hate religion - forgive me if that's how it came across. I'm asking about how and more importantly why you've come to believe God does not exist. Is it because of the failings of the religions you see around? or something else?

Deep Sight:
But first neither he nor your eminent self have cared to address this –

Note particularly the fact that not every person gets married.

Is it YOUR considered Christian view that christians who do not get married should spend the whole of their lives never having s.ex AT ALL?

There are hundreds and hundreds of different cultures all around the world - and christians in those cultures. In our culture, the practice is to go before a justice of peace or priest, as a public symbol and proclamation of your marriage or union, it is the proper thing to do. In other cultures, they simply hold a feast, or jump over a broom while holding hands or paint their faces and undergo elaborate dance rituals etc.

 No, one does not necessarily have to have the blessing or recognition of the society to be "married" in God's eyes. I have two friends who got married in their living room, with another christian friend as the witness before God.

 However, this is not to be confused for a nanosecond with today's run-of-the-mill two Hot adults who proclaim "love" for a season, shacking up together, testing out their sexual "compatilibity", and then deciding after a few months or in rare cases a year, that this person is not suited for them. And then they move on to the next piece and repeat the cycle again. Revolving doors, they have a knack for not leading anywhere and resulting in an endless cycle of futility.

 As for your other points, I humbly defer to Krayola's ever so deft responses  

g1:
am doing good my sister

That is good to hear

i agree with you that i have been a little bit harsh and aggressive i guess it was a reation of the treatment i got from believers!!!! i used to be a peaceful atheist minding my business until when believers thought they could call me names just because i do not believe in god, !!!

Very understandable. And I personally think christians should be above reproach when it comes to how they interact with their neighbors, Jesus would be ashamed of a lot of us now.

when a christian meets a muslim and the muslim informs him of his faith the christians does not tell him stuff like his soul has been taken by the devil and likewise when a muslim meets a christian he does not tell him that he is worshipping the devil then why the hell do christians and muslims here in nigeria who findout that i am an atheist feel the need to tell me crap because i dont believe in god.!!!!
it was after tolerating them for too long that i decided to abandon the gentleman attitude and go blood for blood. however there are christians and muslims here that i still have decent conversations with e.g viaro etc

peaceout

Well, I can certainly imagine the extreme responses you would get when you declare yourself atheist. Its like the worst possible thing one can be in the eyes of those of faith. Personally, I think anyone who doesn't believe in God (not religions) or in the possiblity of a God is nuts - and I say that in the nicest possible way G1, really .

  Permit me to ask a question my brotha, are you an atheist because you hate religion/s in their current form? What is your rationale for your belief?

Deepsight I am here sweetie lol.

You are of course free as I am to believe as you wish. Christians believe otherwise when it comes to this issue of intimacy (as has already been communicated on this thread), and nothing Deepsight says is going to change that. We have our belief system, and you have yours, and whether or not you deem ours "ridiculous" or "unnatural" is really of little consequence.

I will however ask one thing of you though . . . pleaseeee, I implore you to listen to Krayola 

g1:
Hi Jesoul how are you doing?,

G1 my dude, I am well, how are you?  

it would have been nice if all religious people held your view i.e[b] live and let live[/b], but a lot of your fellow believers are not ready to do that. they want to force their beliefs and morals on others.
, and we atheists are generally looked at as devils and an enemy even without us criticising religion!!!  
just recently i decided to tell a christian friend of mine about my atheism and he started telling me that i am loosing my mind and i should better go back to being a muslim, he told me that he rather be around a muslim than an atheist because atheists are dangerous (according to him ),
.the same thing happened when i told a muslim cousin of mine about my atheism he started telling me rubbish like the devil has consumed my soul.!!!! ,if you believers cant respect and accept our position as atheists then why then do you expect us to respect your  dogma and beliefs? so it goes both ways!!!
i always tell my theist friends that i only believe in one commandment, which is keep thy religion to thy self. dont bug me with your beliefs and i wont bug you with my atheism but the moment you want to call me names and start threatening me with an imaginary ball of fire(hell) because i dont believe what you believe then i will shoot holes in your beliefs which you inturn refer to as blasphemy!!!

I will most readily concede the point that many religionists have taken to unfortunate means in an attempt to "convert" people around them. We're all human, and someone who may be young and brash now, may someday be learned and skilled in the art of communcating a truth they hold dear, instead of trying to "force it down" on others.

 That being said, G1 I have seen just a few of your posts around and I must say it saddened me a bit. Because you have taken to brash and unfortunate means in communicating your own beliefs - see, we're all guilty? Even if you believe in a certain manner and to an extreme degree, there's an effective, and even amicable way of showing what and especially why you believe as such - trust me, it will go a long long longer way in reaching people, than simply shoving these "blasphemies" in their faces. But we all fall short, its what keeps the world interesting place ain't it?  

thehomer:
While I agree that the example you have given affects no one but yourself? There are lots of instances where it does affect others. e.g death of children due to their parents refusal of appropriate medical treatment. Or the spread of sexually transmitted infections due to refusal of condoms.

Point taken. And I draw the line when one's "faith" spills over from their personal lives and affects others. I have no problem with bringing the fury down on such - whatever the religion/faith/dogma may be. One cannot go round claiming religion while blowing up others or murdering abortion doctors.

 What I question are the incessant, relentless attacks on religion from bored antagonists borne soley out of spite and a false sense of superiority, for the sole purpose of mocking and ridiculing beliefs they personally consider outlandish, directed at a harmless set of people who are minding their own business and contributing to their societies. In which case, I say leave them with their holy books. Live and let live.

4 Play:
@JeSoul

I watched it on the night he said it and he was clearly implying that Muttalab was part of a conspiracy because he's a Nigerian. Kraut is a very bright man but he goofed here.

Wow okay, if 4Play says it, I believe it. Yeah that would def be a goof and not cool  . But not entirely suprising anyways . . . almost everytime I hear a story on mutallab, the statement is usually tagged with "The Nigerian Terrorist" . . . I don't recall other terrorists nationalities being constantly attached to their names like his is.

rikkyjen:
Better than not making the playoffs despite the "hype of being called a big team with one of the best QB's the league has known"

Better than going 16-0 in the regular season and then choking in the big dance (the Superbowl ofcos)!

Awww somebody is still sore hows that dynasty talk working out for ya? lol, common Rikky sweetie, I have to chide you to because I love you . I imagine I wouldn't have been able to live down the gloating had you won, so its only fair I return the favor now

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