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Mavenb0x:
JeSoul: Thanks dear! Yes and Amen!!

Meanwhile, I strongly agree about the Christian section. I'm tired of making posts in roundabout ways that will address Christians, Atheists, Agnostics and otherwise at the same time

Lol, I knowest so well what thou means. My dear don't hold your breath. We've asked for a section at least 5-6 times over the past 3yrs or so. Seun is not going to budge. He knows there's more traffic when we're all fighting rather than learning.

The other day, I had this idea to open a thread on death, discussing the biblical perspective and why it is not always a bad thing, and why it can be even good sometimes. Imagine the militant antagonists gate crashing and screaming God is a murderer before the thread even sits down. It is pointless in this secular forum to venture in mature christian topics. It really is. See how some are hyperventilating over the idea God led 2 people to Haiti so they could witness the disaster, and strengthen their faith - and bring them out with a small reward of bringing them home to us their family.

Pastor AIO:
Because homosexual intimacy cannot procreate. Every gay got his genes from an heterosexual couple.
I mean that if for instance we find that exposure to a certain factor at a certain time in life can make one a cradle-robber, then we can act to mitigate the factor. It is known (I'm not 100 per cent but I've heard it somewhere) that people who have been the victims of abuse often end up being abusers themselves. So if you stop the initial abuse you can reduce the abuse in the general population, break the chain as it were.

Ahunnitt% right.

MyJoe:
Add to this the possibility of a gene staying dormant in the "carrier" parent and becoming active in the child.

I don't personally think there will ever be conclusive evidence that homosexuality is caused by a gene. As complex as we are as human beings, what are the chances that different genes scattered all over are responsible for the behaviors we exhibit? If they "find" the gay gene why stop there? where's the gene for alcoholism? for rapists? for drug addicts etc? Where do our personal choices come into play? has nature already decided everything for us? and we're just living out what we've already been pre-programmed to do?

When I started the thread I was hoping people would attack the issue from a[b] spiritual perspective[/b], as it is obvious the war in regards to the biology will never end, or at least not anytime soon.

Mavenb0x:
@JeSoul: Thanks for sharing, lovey. God bless you.

Really, I don't understand why some people are complaining. I am not insensitive, and even if I am, I strongly doubt that JeSoul is. I am sad about what happened at Haiti, but I am gladder to hear that anyone came close to it and didn't go down under. Is it insensitive for one to wake up in the morning and be glad to see the sunshine, even if a percentage of the world's population died while he was asleep? I say again, this is not a matter of insensitivity. But then, as JeSoul already said, only Christians may understand: because even if people with other worldviews do not acknowledge God, or they don't understand how he relates to us, WE understand the following verses:

Exactly Maven. And this be the reason I don't bother to open many threads and discuss difficult things in regards to christianity. This is another reason why we need a christian section to discuss christian issues away from others who are not.

  Anyways, funny enough I got your text message last sat night while I was there with my friends lol folks were like "yo, who's texting you at this time of the night?"

I told my friends after they'd told the story, so many people died, christians died, non christians died. That you lived does not mean you're more special than them, but that God must have another plan for you both. And even if they had died, unbelievers do not understand and look at death the same way we do. I told them, if you had died, you would've been better off cos you would have been with the Lord (as Paul said, to live is Christ, to die is gain) - and . . . lol, they nodded their heads in complete agreement.

  But I dunno if I should say the above here on NL, too many don't understand that in the big picture, death is not always and necessarily a bad thing. Look at the scriptures, death is used to save sometimes. To those without Christ it is the end, to us it is the begining. So we don't mourn as those without hope - and what a comfort that is.

manmustwac:
@JeSoul
So if it wasn't for the earthquake which killed over 200'000 people injured many more and made them homeless, your friends wife would not have had the oppotunity to get her U.S. visa from the Domican Republic. Well given the circumstances in which her visa was obtained i don't think it was a good idea to write a story about it. A boy here in the U K raised over ₤160'000 to help the Haitians thats a good story and a teenage girl was just recently pulled out alive after being trapped for 15 days when neighbours heard her screams thats another good story but yours Jesoul in respect of those who died and were made homeless i don'tthink u should've wrote this story about it. Sorry JeSoul.

Becos I know you're a cool dude, I'll make an exception.

I told the story simply to tell 1 good thing that came out that terrible disaster - that's all. There are many threads discussing different aspects of the earthquake, both good and bad, triumph and tragedy. Why can't I tell a christian story because it bothers you athiests? Read my post again, it is impossible that any honest person would insinuate I was making light of that terrible disaster. Or saying this was all simply to "get her a visa" - gosh no. The ultimate lesson in all this is FAITH - (not her getting a visa) I wouldn't have to explain that to a christian. Plus I left out several serious elements of that story because many of you wouldn't understand. So I asked for a christian audience only because they perhaps with the holy spirit would see past the surface and understand the deep meaning behind it all.

  G1, 

g1:
okay no problem Jesoul, sorry for intruding, dont worry it wont happen again, see you on other topics, takecare of you and stay blessed,

No problem my brother, and I'm sorry if I was brash at first. And I do hope to cross roads with you on another topic soon, you do seem like a cool dude. Godbless.

Seun:
Another dark film? No thanks. I'm fed up with Hollywood making criminals into heroes. Enough!

You refering to Inglorious Bs? well, one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

@topic, I vote none. I haven't seen either Ninja or Sherlock. I'm however willing to sell my vote to the highest bidder . . .

I salute the salutation - President-General, His/Her-Grace, Most Snr Reverend - Idahosa. Na wah oh  

Rumor has it Amare may be heading for Cleveland or Miami.

Miami I can take but to Cleveland? god forbid, they don win the east be that.

Can't believe Serena came back from that there I was happy Fedex would be on earlier than 1am only for Serena to come storming back. That was an incredible win for her.

Federer haters, eat your hearts out. I guess Borat did not sleep last night?

Nuclearboy, not a problem my friend, not a problem. They won't understand until their minds are regenerated, which is why engaging them is usually an exercise in futility for both sides.

  G1, you seem like a nice guy. Anyone who knows me and reads the op knows I wasn't making light of terrible disaster nor insinuating God killed all those people for 2 of his children - how ridiculous. There is a christian lesson in the story I told. You're not a christian and will not understand hence I requested you and other atheists respect the topic and not post.

Nuclearboy, some posts are only good for ignoring, I purposely will not reply any atheists as I clearly stated this thread is NOT for them, you will be wise to do the same as they are always seeking for a fight.

Anyways, Myjoe, I will always make exceptions for you thank you for your input.

MyJoe:
This is a touching story.
I do have a Christian contractor friend who says this sort of thing. "God can crash a plane because of you," his exact words, and I just sit there listening as he goes on and on about his idea of God.

Poster's intentions are obviously good, but the last 17 words understood in the context of God having sent them to that country in advance are bound to rub people the wrong way. They are not in good taste.

Which is why I stated over and over this topic is not for non-christians as they will NOT understand what I mean. Christians will get this story without my having to explain what I meant. I do not owe any explanation nor seek to indulge any bored atheists who cannot follow simple instructions to move on from christian topics.

If you read this before it's deleted, JeSoul, my apologies, for defying your exclusion clause. It's not really about being Christian, in my opinion. I know of Christians who will see things differently.

Myjoe my dude! it wasn't even so much trying to exclude non-christians, I was trying to prevent replies like the first couple ones. I value your (and other cool headed non christians in here) input on any topic. Belligerent atheist fanatics are the ones I do not wish to entertain.

I made a very simple request that this thread be respected and no atheists post arguments or discussions THIS THREAD IS NOT FOR YOU! Have you guys no sense of decorum?

AKO/Manmustwac thank you for cleaning up the earlier junk, can you please delete the offtopic posts again? Thanks.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=388132.msg5393735#msg5393735 date=1264555186]. . .In light of Google's problem in China, I expect the President to lay out policy or suggest new negotiations in the field of copyrights, IP privacy, web browser privacy and . . . very important, call for trade competitions.

what do you predict? [/quote]Not more than 2 mentions of the word "Healthcare" he will avoid it like the plague.

[quote author=pres-elect link=topic=385150.msg5393208#msg5393208 date=1264546408]Jesoul,
are u calling me a failure? [/quote]Of course not Prez. It was an attempt at a joke at your liberal leanings. You're one of the very very few here on NL I have an incredibly high opinion of. We hardly agree on much, yet I find you most endearing. Keep it up!

I made a very simple request that this thread be please respected. Please if you are not a christian I kindly ask that you do not post, you can open a new topic if you wish to discuss anything outside of the story. Moderators please kindly delete the offtopic entries. Thank you.

I give up. You are right, I am wrong.

davidylan:
I ask tea baggers to show me how much their taxes have increased since Jan 20 last yr.

You do know what that derogatory term means right? if you do shame on you. If you don't look it up.

bawomolo:
it's a start. all we need is some frontcourt presence besides noah.

Forgerrit. Una no go get change to spare after you sign Wade

bawomolo:
Dirk is a star? don't start that kin talk.

Lol . . . allow me to give them one now Dirk may not be fancy dancy, but he's going to be a 1st-2nd ballot HOFer.

Kai, this thread has tarried far beyond my expectations.

montelik:
Why now? I like "Mittens".

Lol mark my words. It will come back to bite him big and bad in the axx when the campaigns start.

Abeg forgive and forget, all men can fail (see Tiger Woods )

True dat see Davidylan, Prez and Naliakar

This story is a testimony for christians, this is not to debate God, His goodness or evil or any other thing please. Atheists please do not post, open a new topic if you want to insult God or me. Thanks.

I got a call last thursday from one of my closest friends who had moved from here to UK 4 months ago to be with his wife. Due to immigration issues she couldn't be here so he went to be with her for the foreseeable future of 2-3 years until things could be worked out and they could move back.

I got the call from his cell phone here which meant he was back. He wanted to have our usual saturday night dinner/hangout/bible study and fill us in on why he was suddenly back. Around 10pm I showed up along with 4 others and suprise suprise he had his wife with him. These are my closest friends, and as we were exchanging long overdue hugs and kisses they looked at us and said "We just got back from Haiti". I laughed and said in typical jesoul fashion, "dude stop playing" - and they looked at us with ever so serious faces "we're not kidding". They whipped out their laptop and showed us the pictures - and everyone was silent in shock and disbelief.

Turns out, they had decided to go to Haiti (he's originally from haiti) after the new year to spend about a year doing some missionary work and hadn't gotten a chance to call us and fill us in. They arrived just few days before the earthquake and witnessed an event that would change their lives forever.

We all sat down, no longer eager for the pasta dinner that was cooking, but wanted to hear the story. They were involved in a science project, far up in the mountains, charged with installing a system that would bring water up from the valley up to the mountains for the crops and animals. They had just had a meal with the host family and as they stepped out of the house, the earthquake struck, pushing them away from the collasping building onto the mountain side. It lasted "maybe a total of 10 seconds" he said. "Immediately after, there was deafening silence, then you could see the dust rising far far away from the city, and you could hear piercing screams and cries from all around". 2 people died in the small village they were staying. He had pictures from the church service that morning, there was a little boy smiling with glee at the camera, who knew that later he would have another picture of that same little boy in a lifeless body that was crushed by massive rocks. The pictures of the boy's father crying over his son was just . . . heartbreaking.

After 2 days they decided to go to the city to see what was going on as all communication was down. The sight they said "was devastating". The pictures he had - and gosh did he have a billion of them - were just like on tv - death everywhere. They found his uncles house - flattened with 11 people inside. He lost 2 cousins and another uncle. He showed pictures of limbs still sticking out and burned bodies everywhere. For 2 nights they slept on the street as all were afraid to go inside any buildings. They waited in line for hours as the US was evacuating her citizens, "sir we can take you, you're a US citizen but not your wife" they told him. He fought, but they refused - how could he leave his wife? So here they are, homeless, hopeless in the devastated capital along with hundreds of thousands of other equally hopeless people. So they decided to go to the Dominican Republic. Hitched a ride on a bus to the border - chaos as thousands were also trying to flee. They managed to get their passports stamped as they fended off thieves trying to steal their papers. They got on a bus meant for 40, but carrying 140 on a 7 hour drive littered with uncountable checkpoints aka bribepoints to Santa Domingo.

Got to the dominican capital - didn't speak a word of spanish either of them. Found a hotel to stay for the night, regardless of how filthy it was, they were simply happy to have a roof over their heads for the first time in days. They had no clothes so they had to put on the dirty ones from 4days sleeping on the street, wading thru rivers and fighting off thieves to cross the border. His wife suggested "lets try the american embassy again, what do we have to lose?". To cut a long story short, out of thousands in the place, they met who must've been an angel at the embassy. She saw them and immediately took them aside, gave them fresh clothes, gave them money to buy food, and put them in guest quarters at the embassy. I saw the pictures - was like the Hilton hotel lol. The next day, she helped them fill out the paperwork for a visa for his wife and after a grueling session with the interviewers, she was given a visa. They even proceeded to book a flight for them back to the US. This was wednesday night, they called me on thurdsday night, back home in Boston.

  I decided to tell this story here on NL becos it touched me. I had been seeing the devastation on tv, not knowing two of my best friends were right there in it. But it touched me because God caused them to be there. Yes I believe God put them there. They'd been praying and were led to go to Haiti from London. Had they not been there, they woulda been stuck in the UK for at least 2 yrs without a means to work and without any family and support. God caused them to endure 4 days of tragedy, in order to test and purify and strenghten their faith and then reward them. I don't know whether God caused the earthquake or not, but I know He used it to bless and transform the lives of two of His children.

Borat, I am resisting the urge to rub it in . Perhaps if he didn't wear his capris so tight, his blood circulation might've been better and not resulted in the injury. Eyaaa  

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=385150.msg5392440#msg5392440 date=1264536844]. . .hmm, mrs right! well, let me say Amen.

To the Palin issue, she did not canvass for the VP position, she was selected for it. Her story so far, to some extent, parallel that of Obama on the national stage. If Obama had not been selected to give the speech at the convention, we would not at this time be celebrating his Presidency. Palin was comfortable being a mom and a naturalist until she was exposed to the nation. She has tasted a honey too sweet to turn away from. I do believe that the negative coverage and the loss helped to decelerate her aspiratons and broke her spirit on one part but then, like the typical adventurer that she is, she would not buckle to adversarial challenges and so resigned from state politics and advanced to the national stage.[/quote]Well you're right in that all this was thrust upon her, she didn't exactly put her name in the hat to be considered for the VP - you is right. But she's stuck with it now and I can't help but think the many missteps she had with the media/interviews will be a mountain that she will not be able to climb. You only get one chance to make a first impression and unfortunately hers was "unintelligent". Did not affect for a second the fact I like her, her first speech at the convention was aggressive and fearless, I like her record, I like what she stands for - but alas a divisive figure she is.

She, better than anyone, know that the game play at national level has higher skillsets than she is equipped for and therefore she would need to update and rehearse the roles. She is in the right place at the moment to get that necessary exposure that will solidify her for a run post 2016. . . unless however, as I stated in last post, "The People" run amock and demand her for 2012.

We shall see. . .lol.

Well shall indeed see! It would certainly make things very very interesting. Mitt Romney seems to be among the top prospects for 2012 . . . once the mess that is massachusetts healthcare (which he signed into law) comes to the forefront his chances will be dashed and smashed to smitherings.

Go CNN  http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/storysupplement/stimulus-tracker/index.html?hpt=C2 

and a very good debate on the stimulus package. http://amfix.blogs.cnn.com/2010/01/25/is-obamas-stimulus-working/

davidylan:
As have all other bills before this one.

This bill has probably had more media coverage than any in the last 2-3 yrs . . . the idea that it is "shrouded in secrecy" is absurd to me.

Oh and here i thot the bill was indeed shrouded in secrecy? Who let you in on the secrets contained in the bill?

Don't dance around his simple point jare. Did Obama not say the proceedings would be available for all to see on C-span? when will you criticize him for not fulfilling that promise? and where is the website where we can track the stimulus bill spending? we're still waiting.

Will you ever criticize anything that Obama does? or he is infallible to you? and anyone who dares oppose him is racist?

davidylan:
I'm sorry but i notice a serious flaw with you and other righties . . . each time your "disagreements" with Obama are questioned you all take to hiding behind a flurry of irrelevancies. Rather than face the issue you simply continue kicking up conspiracy theories. I dont think all right wingers are bad, i dont think every disagreement with Obama has to do with his race. I am however worried about those who CONSTANTLY disagree with Obama over trumped up non-issues like you just pointed out.

Don't flatter yourself.
You asked for a policy that people are upset about, I gave you one. You saying well Bush did it too - like that is supposed to make Obama doing it any less wrong?

You say where were people to cry foul then? what kind of response is that? you sidestepped the issue to point fingers. The issue of terrorists on the home soil is much more pronounced now but you're refusing to acknowledge that. You're refusing to debate the merits or shortcomings of the issue itself of trying terrorists in civilian courts as has been brought to the forefront by the Muttallab issue, instead you as usual want to point at others and say "where were you then?"

This is why I tire quickly when discussing politics with you because everyone else is wrong and you are right. I discuss regularly with other lefties like Prez and Naliakar, they make points, they concede points without crying "where were you when Bush did it too" - a tactic you use almost every debate. This is why I "take flight" (and I'm sure many others) when you supposedly start pointing out "inconsistencies".

As for the issue of Obama's race, I almost cannot take anyone seriously who brings that up as a debate point. Yes there are some who cannot see past his skin, but you make it sound like there's a huge conspiracy out there motivated solely by race to bring him down.

davidylan:
Neither you nor other right wingers i have come across seem to be interested in examining your own positions with any form of objectivity.

David, david david, I tire for you. Since there is no honest "right winger" that exists in David's world, I guess furthering any discussion with I is pointless since we're all dishonest racists who disagree with Obama just because he's black.

Mariory, your skillfulness with sarcasm has no rival on NL

davidylan:
If that "example" is why Obama is the most polarizing president of the US ever then i just wonder what the real elephant in the room is . . . his skin color maybe?

*shaking my head* your case is hopeless David. Everything Obama must be colored by race.

davidylan:
Hmmm can anyone say Richard Reid? Wonder why that didnt "infuriate you to the core" then.  

I remember a certain Ruddy Giulliani testified at the "civilian" (infuriating) trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the 20th hijacker.

Obama is now doing the trying and everyone is "suddenly" worried about trying terrorists in civilian courts . . . hmmm.

Sorry but it was under Bush/Cheney that the nonsense of trying terrorists by military tribunal started. The Lockerbie bomber of 1989 was also tried in civilian courts in Scotland. This ridiculous idea of pretending as if this is a unique Obama policy needs to be called out for what it is.

There is no policy under the sun that is unique to any one person. And this practice of reverting to "What about bush" "bush also did it" does not help your case.

 You asked for a policy that is polarizing americans away from Obama and I have given you the most prominent one. We're not debating the past practices or who else did it.

Lets even assume that Obama just started this new "policy" (a misnomer as that has been the modus operandi before the anomaly called Guantanamo bay) . . . what about it is "infuriating to the core"? That a terrorist is given "rights and privileges" does not mean he/she cannot be convicted by the courts.

Does not mean that at all and no one is arguing that.

 I repeat what people are angry over is giving american rights to the likes of Muttallab, it is a sign of being soft and even compassionate towards murderers whether or not you agree.

No be fight at all
No mind us, we're just relishing the ousting of that skinny capri wearing lad the tennis gods are smiling today lol

Yeah I agree with David. I actually prefer that the forecast was more aggressive than passive. Its better to plan for the worst and experience the best, than plan for the best and experience the worst.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4857006 Bratt Favre "return next season is highly unlikely"

ROTFLOL The Vikings will now be held hostage by the Diva for the entire offseason.